Guys, do you leave the toilet seat up?

[_Maya_]

For the girls, does your guy do this?

Yeah, I leave it up.

No, I put it down.

[A_Bell]

This is what drives me crazy about my own sex. Likely brought on by having 5 sisters (poor dad.)

We are supposedly capable human beings, strong, who don't need a man, but it seems beyond us to check to see if a toilet seat is up or down. I think I learned that lesson when I was 4.

Instead of solving the issue like reasonable people who deserve our right to vote, and take agency over our circumstances, we blame men for wronging us. In reality, they are reducing mess and doing the household a favor instead of peeing on the seat.

Any woman knows that even women can't keep pee and even period blood off the seat of a public restroom, and we sit point blank range from the opening.

For God's sake, take some responsibility.

Thank you for listening to years of frustration.

[ShesRad80]

i actually leave the seat up as a girl the whole thing, once done. it circulates air in the bowl and keeps it neutral in smell when not in use.

[Still-alive]

Dayamn lol. guys should love you

[FireFox001]

I either leave it up or put the lid down as well. This is how it goes:

If I find a toilet with the seat down, I lift it up.

If someone after me finds the toilet seat up, they put it down.

This is such a non-issue, I can't believe people even make a fuss about it.

If I happen to pee in three streams, which happen to guys quite more than you'd think, I get one of those disinfectant wipes I keep around and clean up. If the floor gets hit, I wash it up immediately.

It's so goddamn simple.

[pierre7i]

After I pee, I wipe the top of the toilet bowl AND the floor in front of it with a tissue (a 'wetwipe' when I'm home) to ensure everything is clean then I put the seat down.

Guys who leave it up, and don't even bother to check the floor is clean are gross and have absolutely no manners at all (imho !)

[Ellewatts]

IKR
but have seen some guys pee their pee pee shoots out at angles 30 and 90 at the same time
BTFW: u need to clean ur pee after U pee...

[coachTanthony]

Girls, do you leave the toilet seat down after you use it? Know your worth fellas.

[Sonorous]

I close it all before I flush. I do this to keep most of the toilets particles out of the air as it flushes.

[_Maya_]

As you should.

[Sonorous]

Funny though because I live with a female that said she kinda annoyed by it. 🤣

[_Maya_]

She be crazy then 😆

[Sonorous]

Nah she just got bladder issues so she likes to just run in their & sit rather doin a whole bunch 🤣

[_Maya_]

You're a good dude them. Much respect.

[_Maya_]

*then

[Sonorous]

Nah I be forgetting to leave it up 🤣 now it's a habit to put it all down

[_Maya_]

I love this opinion 😆

[Sonorous]

🤣 I should write a note on the bathroom mirror to remind myself.

The bathroom mirror is a good spot because I'm so insecure that I legit can't walk by it without checking to see if I still look normal 💀

[Losalt]

In Germanic countries in Europe the *norm* is to *sit* on the toilet, also for guys.
So this has never really been a issue for me.
But on the rare occasions where I haven't, like when it's just too gross to use, honestly I just left it untouched, except to use some toilet paper to flush it (or in a especially bad case, a bucket)...

I figured that if it's too bad for me to sit sg it's probably too bad for a girl too...

[ManOnFire]

So here is the crazy thing: every single woman I've known who's been to my place has always left the toilet seat up, and at their house they do the same thing. This is so completely puzzling to me because growing up you would hear women complain how annoying it is that men leave the seat up. I have never done it. Leaves me scratching my head.

[stratford]

Oh, the grand old Duke of York,
He had a toilet seat;
He lifted it up to do a pee
Then he it put it down again.

When it was up, it was up,
And when it was down, it was down,
And when it was only halfway up,
It was neither up nor down.

[Miristheiss]

I just leave it the way it is. If I go number 2 I just leave it down. If I go number 1 I leave it up.

I am under no obligation to leave it one way or the other. You are an adult... check the seats status.

I could just as easily need to go number 1 and accuse you of not leaving the seat UP for me.

That is childish if anyone even brings up how you "left the seat"

[Bricealan]

The age old question. I don't like to clean up my own urine off of or around the toilet bowl , so I sit and don't P*** all over the place. I do close the lid, and have a Toto Silent lid that doesn't slam shut. No wise cracks, please! 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Likes2drive]

I put it down for a few reasons and the lid , when you flush there is always some particulate matter that comes up in water vapor and I also don’t want to accidentally drop something in it when doing things near it. Don’t have any woman here so it’s just something I normally do

[Pete671]

I'm a cleaner in a small supermarket without public toilets, on the two days a week I work on my own, I put both the seats and the lids up after cleaning hahahaha!!! by the way my partner is female and she puts both the lid and seat down,,,

[Pete671]

Thanks Maya!!!

[_Maya_]

You're welcome!!

[DaveJord]

Here is a secret just for you. As a guy that lives alone and does not live in a pig pen... you pee sitting down. It just less messy, requires less cleaning.

[Pacquet]

I regularly close the lid when I flush the toilet cause when you flush all the particles left into the air and you inhale it and it gets on your tooth brush and other things around in the bathroom. Look up any infared video on YouTube of flushing so you can see what I mean. The toilet lid is the only way to stop the particulars from lifting up into the air.

[AydenHazor]

I'm unusual for a guy in that, not only do I leave the seat down, but I'll sit every time I go to the bathroom so there's never the remote possibility that I'll leave the seat up

[_Maya_]

I got no problem with that.

[AydenHazor]

A lot of people think I'm weird for it, including several women. 🤷‍♂️

[_Maya_]

Eh let them think whatever.

[AydenHazor]

Agreed

[Anonymous]

Actually, no. My s/o and I paid for a toilet seat cover that adds a little atmosphere to a room that otherwise, to be fair, does not have much of an atmosphere, so I make a point of putting the seat down so that the cover can be seen.

Seems like a minor thing, but there it is.

[FunkyMonkee]

Why do I have to go to the pisser in the middle of the night and try to find the seat to lift it up to pee? Why can't she hunt for it to put it down? What makes her more special than me? If she's too sleepy to check to see if it's down, what about if I'm too sleepy to check to see if it's up?

[_Maya_]

Why do I have to go to the pisser in the middle of the night and try to find the seat to put it down to pee? Why can't he hunt for it to put it up? What makes him more special than me? If he's too sleepy to check to see if it's down, what about if I'm too sleepy to check to see if it's up?

[_Maya_]

See how that works?

[FunkyMonkee]

Exactly! If you have to pee, check to see if the seat is how you like it!
Only difference is, I'm not about to go plopping MY ass into that cold water when I pee so, I'd make sure the seat was down before going if I was a girl!

[Potteplante]

Everyone who enters my home put it down.

It's nasty as fuck when people flush with the lid open.

[kakaling]

Because up is cleaner, you had no idea just how many guys, don't lift the toilet seat up before peeing. Uneducated is scary.

[_Maya_]

Take a look at the guy that brought up equal rights. 😆

[Apple1996]

My guy just pees with the seat like normal. Never puts it up. I don't get why guys do that tbh like learn how to aim

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I don't think you can relate about aiming. It's like if I tell you to just learn to stand while peeing.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara I've potty trained two boys so I can relate on some level since I've had to teach them how to aim/be clean

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Like how old are they? Like 3? I don't think theirs's is comparable to fully grown men's dicks. Unless you're potty training them as teens?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you may have forgotten about height difference as well.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara my older kids are 9 and 6. Other boys will be potty training in the next few years. And little boys are more likely to make messy compared to grown men yet my kids still learn how to stay clean

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara my kids stand on a step stool to pee so they are the same height as some adults

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If they're that tall, they're pretty much old enough to be potty trained unless you're spying on them for you to confirm it. You may not know it tho but implying they're really old enough to be that tall on a step stool, they may still leave splatter on the toilet seat but they just clean it up.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And if they're "kids", they may not hit puberty yet so they don't know what it's like peeing with a boner. We put the toilet seat up incase if we leave a mess, it's easier to clean it that way. Is it really that hard to put the toilet seat down? We don't complain about putting it up and having to wipe our own mess.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara my ones that aren't potty trained are babies. Older ones are obviously fully trained but I still see them since our doors are always open. And umm you do realize all boys get erections even as babies in the womb. My kids definitely have peed like that. Yes if they make a mess they clean it up

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I do realize that we do get erection as babies but the question is how often compared to when you're an adult? Big difference. I'm even talking about the size.

"Yes if they make a mess they clean it up" Pretty much what most guys would do. And if they don't make a mess, you just assume they're really good at aiming which is the problem here. Like I said, is it that hard to put the toilet seat down? We don't complain about having to put it up so that we can clean it easier.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara kids get them more often then adults since the body is constantly testing blood flow. They literally get hard from the air hitting it

And I don't even use their bathroom so they could do whatever they want in there but still never a issue of them wanting to put it up since I taught them differently

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's because you're there to see them make a mess all the time because you know, they're kids and they need to be supervised. And they lack the patience and responsibility to care about wiping up their messes. If it's not an issue then why even teach guys to aim rather than to just raise the toilet seats up? You have it so backwards if you think aiming is easier than cleaning up.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara not true my oldest son has ocd and enjoys cleaning so he definitely does not lack the responsibility to be clean. And I just taught them the same thing my husband does tbh

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I'm not even talking about your oldest son. Can you read again? You're talking about kids being messier there for I'm talking about kids. "It's because you're there to see them make a mess all the time because you know, they're KIDS and they need to be supervised. And they lack the patience and responsibility to care about wiping up their messes."

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara kids can be clean to think less of them is ridiculous. If they are dirty it's because their parents didn't teach them right

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And if your oldest son cleans up when he's done, that has nothing to do with aiming well. He still do make a mess but he's cleaning up. And if you really can relate then you would've really know what's going on. But apparently you don't. You just think you do just because you have sons.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara I probably know more than a man considering I've had to teach it. y'all only know how to pee in a toilet because someone taught you

[Aiko_E_Lara]

" kids get them more often then adults since the body is constantly testing blood flow." <--- That's what you said. Ironically you're the one generalizing kids about making mess more than adults. And because it's true generally speaking and I explained it to you, you're now taking it back? Nice try.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara the issue of not putting the seat down comes from how the boys were taught. Obviously some parents do teach this and the boy doesn't listen so not counting them.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara the men that voted A need to be potty trained again

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"peeing in a toilet" but itself has nothing to do with training how to aim. It's just a natural instinct to actually just aim but being pixel perfect about it, who the hell lets their sons drink litters of water so they can start their toilet target practice? You don't even need to go to a shooting school to shoot someone.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well I could say thesame thing for women leaving their toilet seats down. They need to be potty trained again and pee like men.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And here I thought you have no problems with men leaving toilet seats up. Make up your mind not your face.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara everyone should sit since it's better on the bladder

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara I don't have a issue of what people do in their own homes. If they wanna piss in their sinks idc but I'd consider them dirty

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just like people pissing on the sink which you consider it dirty, you also consider it dirty if someone does it to your sink so you do have issues with it because of the fact that you're considering it dirty which is a negative description to give.

And what you have no idea about is how we get it on the walls if we do sit and pee. In nature, is there even natural object that resembles a toilet that humans naturally use that makes you conclude that sitting is better for our bladder? That's like the biggest myth ever. Men have already been peeing while standing up since prehistoric times since is the most convenient thing to do.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also, you girls hover your butts over the toilet in public restrooms and leave mess around your legs and the toilet seats. Now try perfecting the art of aiming unless you wanna be potty trained again.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara standing up to pee causes prostate issues.
And honestly I don't use public bathrooms and I don't make messes when I pee even in nature while standing/squating

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Like i've said, men have been standing up while peeing for millenniums so why is it a problem now? Are you sure that's the only factor? Considering how much of a bad habit people have nowadays? I could say the same thing about women having breast cancers for not leaving the toilet seats up.

Your pussy must've look like a dick then. But that's not really how pussies look in reality which is why I don't buy it. There's a sole reason why urinals for male exist and why women sit down when they pee. It's basic biology and you should've known better for being a parent.

[Billlewis]

'Potty trained'... that's so humiliating... lol

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara no one biologically should be using a toilet or urinal.
And wtf no I just know how to not make a mess from giving birth you can't pee towards the vag for obvious reasons so I learned how to pee in a way to avoid the mess

[Apple1996]

@Billlewis you need to be potty trained? Lol

[Billlewis]

I think I'm pretty good at aiming, but maybe you'd like me to start sitting down when I'm peeing, like a little girl.

[Apple1996]

@Billlewis yep that's how I start off my kids. They have to sit for awhile first

[Billlewis]

Very nice. If you'd like me to sit when I urinate from now on, please let me know, thanks.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ok then I assume you yourself have a toilet at home and it would be quite hypocritical for you to say that. Also how is it any different when a guy stands up while peeing anywhere else to a urinal when men just have to do the exact same thing to a urinal to peeing in nature? This is why I'd feel bad for kids being raised by delusional parents.

That's the only logical conclusion knowing how the shape of their holes look making the water flow different to men's when standing up. That's basic biology and if you somewhat "learned" how to do it cleanly when standing up, that would ironically be unnatural because that's something you have to "learn" which isn't really a natural instinct.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara peeing standing isn't natural for men. y'all are suppose to be squating or sitting too. Even natural things have to be taught especially at young ages. If you had kids you'd know this

[Aiko_E_Lara]

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../ theconversation.com/does-it-matter-if-you-sit-or-stand-to-pee-and-what-about-peeing-in-the-shower-206869 Here you go. Read the one highlighted in purple at the bottom part. Do you think early people wouldn't really figure that out? I don't have kids and it's ironic that I know better than you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Comparing the standing with the sitting position, for patients with Lower Urinary Tract Symptoms (LUTS) the sitting voiding position is preferable to the standing. However, there is medically no superior posture for healthy men to urinate in."

I didn't even know about this article but it turns out im right after all. Because that's a "natural instinct". You're just trying to make men like women maybe it's because you think it's a privilege that we're able to pee while standing up which is why you're giving your kids a hard time? Boohoo.

[SaoirseS]

We use the “put it how you need it” method. If it’s up and I need it down, I put it down. If it’s down and he needs it up, he puts it up. We’re big kids, we got this 😀

[andreasderjuengere]

I close it. Because after using the toilet, that's the other function of that lid.

I always try to use the full technical potential of a device.

[shortster]

I always put the lid down before I flush. Flushing a toilet launches bacteria two meters into the air. Putting the lid down stops them at the lid. So you don't spread bacteria and whatever else goes flying up when you flush.

[purplepoppy]

Leaving it up in public toilets freaks other woman out.

[A_Bell]

Hovercrafters

[exitseven]

my wife has me trained pretty good. I put those toilet seats that do not slam down on the toilet so that makes it easier.

[musicbrain5]

Both of us put the entire lid down when we flush, don't need to pee and poop particles floating around when the toilet is flushed, lol. Then we just leave it that way.

[syncheart]

My dad trained me to leave the seat down so that my mom wouldn't fall in.

[_Maya_]

Good man

[syncheart]

My coworker and I at work both clean toilets. When I get done, I leave the lid down. When he gets done, He lives the lid up. I can't believe that our boss lets him get by with it. The place is mostly women like almost 50 women to about 7 guys.

[Anonymous]

Nope , we both are trained to close it since childhood and it's kind of muscle memory

And that kind of helped my find out she was cheating 💀

[Reem12345reem]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 💀

[artgorgeous]

Some guys do not put the seat up. They can get used to to pee by sitting. There is really no difference how its done.

[Mickbert]

I put it down EVERY time so that I don’t get in trouble. I was raised with multiple sisters and was trained well- I’m often told to sit to pee anyway

[HippieVeganJewslim]

As a Muslim, I prefer the seat be put down, as for hygienic reasons, I piss sitting down, and know that there’s a woman living with me. Better respect the woman’s wishes!

[Mansearching]

I try to remember to put seat down. When you're still half asleep or up doing drunk pee its not on the mind. I'm just trying to pee. At least its up with no pee on it.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

He puts the toilet seat down.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Seat and lid down. I don't want the rescue kittens splashing around in there.

[Wonderingguyy]

When I’m home alone I leave it up, if my girlfriend is at my house or any of my female friends I put it down

[clampfan101]

I instinctively dry off what got wet and put it down. It happens about as naturally as locking the door. lol I’m amazed leaving it up is actually a thing and not just a meme. lol

[AviatorTom]

I put it down most of the time... but not always.

[UniquelyBasic]

Of course because someone might fall in the toilet if I don't 😅

[Agape93]

I've never known a guy to put the seat down unless they're sick or taking a shit

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I put the toilet seat down.

[MikeTheBartender]

Yes but if I'm dating someone that seat is down out of respect for her.

[peedy]

The way I look at it women get more upset if a guy doesn't lift it up before he goes so fair is fair equal rights.. right, so if men gotta lift it than women can put it back down, :it only takes a second ; you can see what position it is in when you walk up to it" so deal with it
So I leave it up

[butterly248]

Me and my boyfriend agreed go use the seat (who men use it)

[genericname85]

i never put it up to begin with except for when i'm cleaning the toilet.

[Danny_dan92]

If there is a girl in my place, I leave it down after I use it

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I don't have problems leaving it down because I know how to not make a mess. It's a kind of a sacrilege but I kneel when I pee.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And to anyone who complain about guys having to put it up, is it really that hard to put it down? I mean we don't complain if we have to put it up.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Another good reason to leave the toilet seat up

[scentoflavender]

If its up, I just put it down. It takes longer and more effort to try and convince your partner or children to put it back down then it takes to just flip it down.

[lightbulb27]

I tend to put it down to middle, sometimes all the way down for visuals. it just makes sense... noone likes falling into that hole.. including me.

[TonyMetal___86]

I used to leave it all up but now i'm closing it...

[LiamJHayden]

I always put the seat and cover down before flushing.

[Sparkie460]

We have cats and a dog so we put the lid down all the time

[Wise4myage]

I always put it down or my sister gives me a hard time.

[dragoblack]

If you leave it up when you flush, fecal and urin particles go everywhere into the air.

[Alex8736]

Unless my dog needs to use the toilet I usually keep the seat down along with the lid. 😅

[krin_m]

I always put it down after I use it. Just a habit.

[Abdulwahh]

Yes i do it depends at times I sit and urinate as is recommended for Muslims men.

[Drumlin2001]

When I forget, yes. But I'm soon told.

[Drumlin2001]

Worst thing now is my 3yr old son leaves it up, we've been potty training, I still get blamed when he leaves it up

[_Maya_]

Lol that is the best. Dad gets blamed 😆

[EyesOfGod]

I have toilets that support men so i just sit. If its one of those little round toilets you can't fit your junk in i stand and put it down when im done.

[matchrestore]

I sit to pee at home so it just stays down

[RavVid]

I am willing to compromise. Upstairs toilet down. Downstairs toilet up.

[RingOfFire]

What I want to know is why women always have to leave the toilet seat DOWN!

ANNOYING HABIT!

[Jerre]

I always put the seat down

[Jerre]

@_maya_ Thank you for the Like

[_Maya_]

You're welcome!!

[Still-alive]

Yeah i do lol. but if this truly is an issue for her i will put it down.

[_Maya_]

Dude you know what happens when you flush open? Google it

[Still-alive]

Yes i already know... and idc :P

[_Maya_]

Gross

[Still-alive]

I wash my hands all the time. i use disinfectant when i notice the toilet needs cleaning. I also have a very strong immune system. and to my knowledge i have never ever once had a problem with getting infected because of poo particles in the air.

Also the fact of the matter is poo particles get everywhere anyways even when you are not in the bathroom and even if you did shut the lid.

"You can clean the bathroom as much as you want, but bacteria are distributed as a fine mist every time you flush the toilet and will hang in the air for up to two hours, waiting to land on the next person to walk in. And your kitchen sponge, which you use to clean the dishes, has twice as many bacteria per square centimetre as your bathroom."

www.sciencefocus.com/.../is-there-really-poo-everywhere

so gross? eh maybe. but dangerous or whatever? hardly.

and again if she really wanted me to shut the lid i will do it. im not getting in a dumb fight over it lol. its just a toilet seat.

[_Maya_]

I'd like the scientific study that leaving it open when you flush and leave it that way... I'll wait

[_Maya_]

That's its more hygienic

[Still-alive]

ok here's a link which includes links to a bunch of studies. www.thecut.com/.../...ole-worlds-poop-covered.html

im not saying its 'more hygienic' im saying it doesn't matter. poo particles are everywhere. you can't escape it.

And one more time if she truly wants me too close it i will.

[_Maya_]

That's what I said. What's more hygienic and why don't you do it? I didn't ask for a lot of studies. All I asked was it is more hygienic to close and flush or not? Before you twist my words again that wasn't my question. My question is in the reply just now and why you don't...

[Still-alive]

Ok the answer to that question is 'it doesn't matter' because poo particles get everywhere even outside the bathroom. and the article with links to studies show it.

I wash my hands. i clean the bathroom and toilet when i see they really need it. I also leave my toothbrushes in a drawer and not out in the open. But im not gonna freak out if 'omg i left the toilet seat up' when i leave for work or something lol. sounds pretty absurd.

If this is an issue for her in a relationship i will close it.

[_Maya_]

Link your sources that prove what I asked. Otherwise we are done talking about it.

Love to know what @EmmaMary has to say. She's always the word of caution.

[Still-alive]

lol i linked an article with studies... but ok sure:

compared surfaces in the bathrooms and kitchens of 15 homes and found that the toilet was among the --least-- bacteria-laden places tested, likely because people tend to more vigorously and regularly clean their toilets (which i do)."

ami-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...0598.x

"A British microbiologist found traces of feces on the keyboards of two employees in a London office"
www.theguardian.com/.../computing.health

40 percent of office coffee mugs contain coliform bacteria, which can be found in feces.

apnews.com/.../9f6da4d3e4fa2a6285770b4c4adad348

“The highest concentrations of faecal coliforms … were found in the sponge/ dishcloth and in the kitchen sink drain area while the lowest concentrations were found on the bathroom counter top, on the bathroom floor and on the toilet seat,”

ami-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...0598.x

"A recent study from London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine researchers found fecal matter on one in six cellphones they swabbed."

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/610099

"University of Houston researchers examined nine hotel rooms in three states, and found fecal bacteria on the following: the TV remote, the lamp switch by the bed, the toilet, the bathroom sink, and the sponges and mops on the housekeepers’ carts."

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/922575

[Still-alive]

I really liked the conclusion of that article too:

"There’s no escaping it, in other words. “No matter who you are, I can culture your body and find fecal organisms, part of your natural skin flora,” Tierno said. “Even if you’re fastidious and clean, you cannot wash it away.”

And that’s fine. We’re all walking around, breathing and covered in a fine veneer of poo and yet we’re all (probably!) going to be fine, assures Tierno. “You don’t get sick from feces, per se. It’s only an indicator that there may be pathogenic organisms found,” Tierno said. “It’s disingenuous for people to equate feces with getting ill.” You can get sick from touching or (oh, God) ingesting fecal matter if that fecal matter contains something like salmonella or shigella — and if that’s the case, even a little bit is enough to get you sick, said Kelly Reynolds, a University of Arizona microbiologist. “Many fecally transmitted microbes can cause disease at very low levels (1–10 organisms),” she said in an email. “Since they are typically shed at very high numbers (tens of billions per gram of feces), even small amounts are enough to make people sick.”

[_Maya_]

NONE of that addresses what I asked. Show me the study that says MORE "fecal matter" or bacteria or whatever is less if the toilet seat and lid are DOWN. I'll wait. Again.

[Still-alive]

We are done maya. My point it doesn’t matter.

Im a little disappointed in you. Learn to accept different opinions. Im out.

[_Maya_]

So you can't answer the question I asked twice now? Smh.

[Still-alive]

I literally have a study linked that said bathrooms are the least dirty places in the house because people tend to clean it more often than other rooms…. Which i do.

[_Maya_]

That is not what I asked. Jfc...

[Still-alive]

I feel like any study i link you, you won’t accept at this point either. So we are done. Im out

[_Maya_]

Fine be out. Not a single study addresses what I have asked... twice now. You are ignoring what I have asked on purpose at this point.

[Still-alive]

You just wanna be right.

Fine ill give it to you. You’re right im wrong. Happy? :D

See ya

[_Maya_]

Nah dude. I just asked you one simple thing and had to ask multiple times... yet? Just post the study (which you're obviously obsessed about) that say LESS bacteria and fecal matter gets on surfaces air or whatever you wanna claim than if you close the lid and flush. Like ffs how many times I gotta ask now?

[Still-alive]

You win