Is killing truly a natural rite of passage into manhood for men?

[Wodens_Apprentice]

Every ethnic groups ancestors accepted this as reality at some point in their past.

This doesn't include cowardice, such as stabbing someone in the back, killing children, weak animals etc.

I think it's true as success gives people an testosterone boost & we're naturally competitive.

You can't deny that when there's an aura of impressiveness to someone you know who has killed in the military, killed in self defence or vigilantism/revenge against someone particularly evil.

It's even true for murderers & serial killers as even when they're in prison they're more successful then most men at getting ladies.

Varg Vikernes is living the life I could only dream of and found a beautiful intelligent actual lady of nobility. How?

He burned churches down and later killed someone who planned to stun him, tie him to a tree & torture him.

[exitseven]

Sometimes it is more courageous not to kill.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

I don't know about that...

[CaptainSmartass]

I'm gonna say "no".

Simples...

[Wodens_Apprentice]

Not a very smartass response.

[Staglioni]

You touched on it there with the bit about cowardice. It's not killing, it's facing your limit and overcoming it that does it. I've had a few harrowing experiences where that could have been it for me, I've trained with some great fighters, I've stepped in at my own risk a couple times when I had to. And I wouldn't pretend to know how it is to be a soldier, because that I haven't done. But all of those things show you where your mind goes when the shit hits the fan. I don't revere my Grandfather or Uncles because they had to kill in the second World War, but instead because they saw death in front of them and kept walking forward, because they had to, because their buddies needed them. Talk to a veteran, they'll tell you they did things because it's what had to be done, and then most tried to live peacefully thereafter, having seen that limit and came back from it. I think that might be what you're looking for. Now don't go and kill anybody. It's a lot of paperwork for everyone involved including you.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

The World War was full of people who were forced into the war. At the start of the first World War people celebrated the declaration of war because people did not yet develop the same negative view of it until after the great war.
The world wars were particularly traumatic because the nature of modern warfare is a lot more ruthless.
Soldiers are generally proud of themselves and have the respect of everyone in the room. But in a dark way the same is true for a former gang member who has killed people before. There might be fear but people also respect that person more then they'd respect someone like me.
Judging by the Rupert Lowe's recent rape gang report I think a lot of people like me want to taste blood in the UK.

[Iron_Man]

Thou shall not kill remember that

[Wodens_Apprentice]

I guess all soldiers who've killed are going to hell then.

[Iron_Man]

That’s different that’s defending the country

[Iron_Man]

And plus if somebody breaks into your house trying to harm your family self-defense

[Wodens_Apprentice]

It's not different spiritually as that's killing and soldiers aren't always defending are they? Was the US just defending itself on Vietnam, or was it defending the abstract principles of Democracy? Did Jesus advocate for democracy?
Jesus would've preached pacifism and stoicism. If someone breaks into your house he would say you offer them bread. If someone is attacking you and your family he would basically promote being martyred over putting up physical resistance.
People used to think that virtue was strength, and the weak slaves were spiritually condemned & deserved their fate.
This is why Christianity was popular amongst slaves. Now that Christianity is dominant the West is eating itself up between ideological lines trying to create the most moral system, rather then going for what works best for our people.

[In_Trance]

Nó...

[Wodens_Apprentice]

Yæs...