Is toxic masculinity killing men?

[OddBeMe]

Just like asking for directions, we also don’t seek out medical help.

Yes

No

[Anonymous]

The whole "don't wanna look weak" stuff is a load of bull and the "no crying part" is never done by men, in my experience, but women so that is a lie as well as far as I am concerned.

It is because men these days (possibly since the beginning of time but especially now) have grown up being conditioned to not expect sympathy from anyone. If showing your feelings doesn't grant you any sympathy then there is no point. On top of that, boys have all this feminist crap we hear nowadays drilled into their head from our schools and the media.

We should be telling them to grow big and strong so that they can protect and provide for others and maybe a family someday because it is ingrained in us biologically to want that. Instead, we do nothing but tell them that they are monsters or burdens. Is it any wonder why we have so many men who have checked out of society or kill themselves? The former would just say "You guys are crazy and I am clearly not wanted here so I am out" and the latter would often look in the mirror and think "I'm a potential rapist, I benefit from patriarchy, I'm doomed to grow up to be a wife beater and none of my accomplishments are my own. I have an easy life all these poor women they have it so hard because of me. I'm terrible, I'm a monster. The world is better off without me."

It is because men are disposable, society doesn't care about them and the world leaders have had a hard-on for sending them to battle the moment someone in the middle east starts acting up. Women often vote for those leaders because war is not their problem and these leaders often get elected because women have made up the majority of the voter base pretty much ever since we have had universal suffrage which is why you often see these politicians kissing their ass for their vote (and no, I am not advocating the repealing of the 19th and it is for the same reason I think political censorship is immoral).

Oh yeah, about that not seeking medical help, it is not because of some stubborn pride. Men can't stand the idea of being a burden to other people, if what I said earlier isn't clear enough. Men want to feel useful and needed because we base our self value entirely on whether or not other people need us. What are we to do when we hear all this "we don't need no man" stuff at best and "men are the cause of all the problems in the world" at worst?

Toxic masculinity is nothing more than a "cure" for a manufactured illness.

[VictorMachiavelli]

The idea that toxic masculinity is to blame for male suicide is that it prevents men from seeking help.

The same people who say this will also be the first to tell men to stop complaining about the things that are causing them to be miserable. They might virtue-signal about this stuff, but they lack real empathy for men.

Men don't avoid seeking help because of toxic masculinity. They don't avoid voicing their problems because of toxic masculinity. They avoid it because nobody actually gives a shit about the average man's problems.

If it were true that toxic masculinity was the cause of the high male suicide rate, we'd see the ratio of male/female suicide decline over the decades as our society has become more liberal, but instead it has doubled.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Don't seek out mental help either, which makes that worse too. Yeah. Toxic masculinity hurts everyone it effects, sometimes fatally.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Toxic masculinity is 100% the biggest reason behind the higher male suicide rates

[OddBeMe]

I mean evidenced by the Golden Gate Bridge suicide hotline phones cutting suicides in half. Basic help and us guys don’t ask for it often.

[Anonymous]

Stupidest goddamn question to be asked in a while.

Was “toxic masculinity” to blame for men dying sooner in 1850? The 1700s? What about the Middle Ages? Did all the men die off so much younger back then because of “toxic masculinity”?

If you are so retarded as to think that there is such as thing as “toxic masculinity” then that means it has ALWAYS been around, because men and masculinity have always been around. Were men less masculine in the past?

Pray tell, where is this mythical period in history when there was an absence of “toxic masculinity”?

I mean life expectancy IS dropping for men, surely there has to be some marked increase in this “toxic masculinity” you Liberals talk about. 🙄

But then why do we see rainbows and queers everywhere?

[OddBeMe]

“Men dying sooner in 1870?” That’s the dumbest statement I’ve read on this post.

Masculinity exists, right? Over masculinity exists? Not backing down, trying to be gangsta, etc…

[Joshydavid25]

No, society not giving a damn about men except to tell them to be more like women is part of the reason.. It's not, not going to the doctors and not getting help or any of that, because plenty of men seek help, and it doesn't really help or they just treat them like they need to be less of a man..

[RomeoMontagu]

There is masculinity that can be toxic. Not all masculinity is toxic. There is a need for masculinity in society, and these days it is sorely lacking. Maybe because of Communist originated toxic feminist propaganda, maybe because of too much estrogenically active chemicals in the drinking water, and food, maybe because our infiltrated educational system.

When things go bump in the night you need a masculine male to investigate.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5hr8zHFGQH8

[AaronKrieger]

Eh? I'm starting to think it has to do more with our world today and how much it's changed, since this so called toxic masculinity was a lot more extreme just a hundred years ago, yet male suicide is more common today. I think people in general used to be more stoic (I do not mean everyone back then).

[exitseven]

The disparity is due to self inflicted stuff like drug ODs and suicides. A week does not go by that I don't see some middle aged white guy kill himself, may e because he lost his job or his wife is kicking him out. Or a 22 year old guy dies of a Fentanyl overdose.

[Steelcore5280]

Any woman who makes up stupid bullshit claims about ToXiC mAsCuLiNiTy is a woman who just hates men and masculinity. Those women attempt to view male behavior from a biased lens and expect us to act like they do. Which we do not. We aren't women, and these women shpuld stop expecting us to be like them.

[PhillDerup]

every thing many people put labels on people and situations they have no understanding about. Men are masculine. Testosterone in a man does not make him toxic. When teenage boys reach puberty and do anything and everything to 1 up each other in everything to be the alpha male in a group of guys is a what toxic masculinity is because they will stop at nothing to prove their dominance over others.

[Anpu23]

No the rhetoric behind it is. Since we started this conversation, suicide rate has skyrocketed. Further social societies that have a strong masculine archetypes have been by and large immune from this spike.

[OddBeMe]

Sure but that’s not the same as what sociologists consider toxic masculinity. Where being a “man” literally is hurtful.

[Anpu23]

No, toxic masculinity is a shaming tactic for traditionally male behaviors. And/or gendering toxic behavior.

Men's Emotions And Toxic Masculinity ↗

I am not broken. ↗

On Men’s emotions and toxic masculinity part 2: ↗

[OddBeMe]

I mean I guess it can be used that way. But it does exist. We are raised to be “tough”, never needing help, can’t back down from a fight, never cry, ever visit doctors.

Anything about that untrue?

[Anpu23]

Yes and no, there's been a lot of femsplaining the male existence. And as male interactions is complex and nuanced and often misinterpreted by this dialog.

[OddBeMe]

Let’s start with what’s untrue about what I said.

[Hungryghostwriter]

Toxic masculinity as I see it is keeping things bottled up and pretending everything's okay which is something I learned from both my parents including my feminist mom. Tired of men getting defensive over this concept and equally tired of women using us as scapegoats.

[NathanDavis]

I often spend hours trying to find a doctor... and once I find it, I just drive in the opposite direction as fast and far away as possible

[OddBeMe]

Why bother looking?

[Juxtapose]

Men are less masculine than ever so I don't know what you're talking about. If anything men are having difficulties because they lived in a feminized world. The public school system for instance is catered more to women.

[OddBeMe]

Your idea of masculinity is being challenged. It’s now more masculine to embrace egalitarianism.
www.youtube.com/watch

[Juxtapose]

Masculinity isn't about putting on a dress or clothes.

It's about stoicism, self discipline, duty to your tribe, prowess in self-defense and rejection of weakness.

And by the way Harry does not pass at all and he looks like an abomination in that dress. If you're going to dress like a woman, at least pass! YUCK!

[OddBeMe]

That’s your idea of masculinity. My idea of it is being comfortable with myself and my sexuality.

[Snakeyes7]

@OddBeMe If your idea of masculinity really is the true version then we would see less single men out there and a lot more two parent households but it's not. Ever since "toxic masculinity" has been spouted from feminist dogma the number of single men skyrocketed becuase they fell for it.

[Juxtapose]

Not really, no. Masculinity refers to behaviors that are encouraged by testosterone and the natural role men play in the tribe.

[OddBeMe]

@Snakeyes7 that’s the problem. There is no “true version”. And boys are freaking out and mass murdering for not living up to the “tru version” that doesn’t exist.

“Wha, girls don’t like me and I’m bullied.”
“Grow a pair!”
“Ok I’ll shoot up the school! That’ll show em!”

[Snakeyes7]

Yes there is, or at the very least we know that there is a wrong answer because what we are doing now clearly isn't working.

Masculinity is nothing more than personality traits that men possess that women find attractive. Given that the number of single men are on the rise while the number of single women are weirdly way smaller than that, it is clear that women are going for the few men who choose not to follow the "toxic masculinity" advice.

[Snakeyes7]

@OddBeMe Also I thought the guns were the problem. You now admit it is the mental health (as retarded of a solution you give to solve this loss of purpose)?

[msc545]

It is. I know men who refuse to get treated for things like diabetes or heart disease, because "I'm too stong for that" or "I can take care of it and I don't need help".

[DextroShade]

Only man-hating feminists and pathetic simps use that misandrist phrase. The real reason is that men work all the difficult and dangerous jobs that can shorten lifespan. Women aren't mining coal, digging ditches, or storming the battlefield.

[bolverk]

The Life Expectancy Gap has always been there, if there has been any change in favour of women I seriously doubt if "Toxic Masculinity" has anything to do with it.

[Forceinhand]

An incredibly loose term defined differently by different people and understood just as vaguely.

[Anonymous]

Nope. The pretending that men and women are exactly the same is what's killing men. Therapy caters to women. Talk therapy doesn't do shit for men.

[OddBeMe]

Well I went to talk therapy and I helped. But I can see truth in your statement.

Perhaps if men went to therapy it would have more data to get better for them, no?

[msc545]

Talk therapy helps men a lot.

[Opinion Owner]

Oddbeme: You could be right.

Msc545: Obviously this isn't going to be true for ALL men, but women will benefit more from talk therapy (the same way the education system is set up to cater to women) I'm nowhere the first guy to bring this up. I promise, I didn't just randomly come up with this just now.

[msc545]

I do this, among other things, for a living. You are wrong - men and women benefit about equally.

[Opinion Owner]

" talk therapy doesn't work for you? That just means something is wrong with you and it's your fault" nice lol you're really doing men a solid

[msc545]

you said it, not me.

[gorydetails]

Society has been favoring women and denigrating men. This isn't a surprise.

[deus_ex_sisyphus]

can you break it down for me, what is "toxic masculinity?"

[Anonymous]

No. Male suicide, and the reasons behind it, are killing men.

[OddBeMe]

I would argue toxic masculinity is the reason.

[Opinion Owner]

And you would be wrong. But as a woman yourself, I'm not suprised you would believe that.

[Al_Musafir]

What's toxic masculinity?

[OddBeMe]

Manliness that’s hurtful. Just think of two guys centimeters from each others faces refusing to walk away. Because it’s considered pussy.

[Al_Musafir]

For the example you quoted, I agree it's stupid to be standing like that and even more stupid if it's for a petty reason or for ego comparison. But I don't know what all aspects 'toxic masculinity' comprises of because what the west, considers 'toxic' is many times a much needed 'must'.