Is toxic masculinity to blame for men's suicide?

[Anonymous]

I just saw an article blaming toxic masculinity for most of men's suicides.
The premise is we are told to always be strong, never share feelings and never be vulnerable. Also to have a high paying job, a supermodel wife, be assertive, be a leader, in resume be this hyper masculine character.
Some men get so overwhelmed, feel so alone and depressed until they can't take it anymore and end their own lives.
How true is this?

[BeMuse]

Whatever… No one ever told me to always be strong, never be vulnerable, to be assertive, be a leader, to be hyper masculine, get with any sort of woman, earn a certain dollar amount, etc. I do remember my mom be adamant about her kids getting an education and my dad teaching me how to fix things. That’s about it. Life is competitive and hard, either you adapt and take control of it or you get beat by it. Exposure to a lot of harsh shit just dulls you out and turns you cold hearted. It hardens you. When times get tough you have no feeling... Everything turns off like a light switch. No one tells you to be that way, it just is that way. If you’re all emotional and want to kill yourself then you probably have had a very easy life and never face any hardship. You don’t have the willpower to survive and trudge through the shit and muster onward.

[grega239]

No. Mental health for men is shit. I also wonder how many suicides are the result of family and divorce court favouring women and allowing them to ruin a mans life.

This" men dont express emotions" is bullshit. Its been that way for centuries but suicide is a recent issue

[MzAsh]

There are many possible causes and risk factors associated with male suicide so it’s not quite as easy as blaming it on something like toxic masculinity. I encourage people to do some reading on this topic to understand the different possibilities. Here is some interesting highlights.
https://www.verywellmind.com/men-and-suicide-2328492

[Anonymous]

Total bullshit.

[Asker]

Men's suicide rate related to the fact many men don't ask for help doesn't sound like bs

[Opinion Owner]

Men's suicide is not BS. Blaming it in toxic masculinity is obviously bullshit and deflects attention from the realities contributing to the high suicide rates among men.

[Asker]

Such as?

[Opinion Owner]

First of all, females attempt suicide more than males. Is that toxic femininity?

Yes, males are taught to always be strong, but that is not toxic masculinity. That is the expectations placed on males by society. But more significant are things like the fact that males are valued as providers and little more, they are screwed over in divorce court and child custody, while women file 70% of divorces. Boys are discriminated against and left behind in our public schools, which sets them up for a lifetime of failure and low self esteem.

Those are just a few examples of the issues contributing to make suicide, and blaming it on "toxic masculinity" just dismisses those issues and does a huge disservice to our men and boys. The concepts of toxic masculinity and patriarchy are nothing more than tools feminists use to place all the blame for societies problems on males and divide the sexes. Stop playing into their bullshit.

[Asker]

They do and maybe it is one of the causes.

I believe they call those social expectations toxic masculinity. You are just giving it a different name.

Men can say they are only valued as providers the same way women can say they are only valued as child carriers. Both are seen as more than that.

Boys don't get discriminated against in schools. Young boys dislike the idea of sitting down and listening to the teacher for hours more than girls do. That is true, but what you want to do? They have to be taught somehow.

As far as child custody, 51% of the divorces involving a child both the mother and the father agree the child should be with the mother.

[In_Trance]

No such thing