What would guys say if a reputable user on the site suggested to another user to eat only 500 calroies a day?

[HulkkSmash]

In order to lose weight fast.

[redeyemindtricks]

Ok, people.

There is a medically tested, proven protocol for SHORT-TERM fat loss -- without loss of muscle or other lean tissue -- called the protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF).

Long story made short: It relies on a diet of ≈100% protein, ≈0 fat, and ≈0 carbs.

It is NOT A LONG-TERM DIET.

It is NOT ADVISED FOR ANYONE WITH EATING DISORDERS.

It is a safe, and effective, method for losing a large amount of bodyfat -- and only bodyfat -- in a very SHORT PERIOD of time. If the person knows *exactly* what she/he is doing, and knows *exactly* how to transition in and out of it.

If it is combined with a couple sessions of heavy-ish weight training, this diet can preserve basically ALL of a person's lean tissue. If vitamins and minerals are supplemented, there are no health risks involved, PROVIDED THE PERSON ON THE DIET IS FOLLOWING EXPERT ADVICE AND UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

The foremost expert on this diet in the fitness community is Lyle McDonald, whose Rapid Fat Loss manual outlines everything about the PSMF diet, from transitions in/out, to exercise, to appropriate foods.

Some links to his stuff:

www.bodyrecomposition.com/.../

www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook

A couple of other relevant bits, for starters:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2239650

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/858966

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Yes, the caloric intake on this diet amounts to 400-800 calories per day. But, it's not 400-800 RANDOM calories, the way you are making it sound. It is a VERY precise plan that must be followed in a VERY precise way, FOR A SHORT TIME ONLY, or else it will not work.

[HulkkSmash]

Oh hi there

@fearless_banana remember when you said she was legit?

[0112358]

research schmesearch.

I'm just gonna eat subway every day like that child molester spokesman they had.

[Stardust143]

^She knows her shit.

[HulkkSmash]

@Stardust143

Curious did you check any of the information she listed?

Took me a quick search to find out the diet is for people with no other options i. e the morbid obese.

[Polocrew]

Lmfaoo did you made that question just for this lmao

[HulkkSmash]

@Polocrew

Yeah. can't sit around while she tells girls to starve themselves

[Polocrew]

Lmfao dawg you too hard for this shit, This only misc troll heat lmaoo

[redeyemindtricks]

@Polocrew it's all good, I type fast ahah

[Fearless_banana]

Yeah this is actually legitimate. A lot of bodybuilders will do this about a week out before they start really tweaking their sodium and water intake to dry out. Very common.

[HulkkSmash]

@Fearless_banana

I wasn't aware that peak diets were healthy and that dieticians suggest them to girls trying to lose 10-20 pounds.

[KittieCat]

See context is everything. I'd be curious to try this myself just to see if it worked well for me and I if could do it lol.

[HulkkSmash]

@KittieCat

she's good at spewing non sense. Legit research it, see what you find out.

[KittieCat]

I'll do it sometime tomorrow, lazy right now

[Stardust143]

I have, and this is a very specific diet for a certain type of person, to be done cautiously - it's not for just anyone and everyone.

[HulkkSmash]

@Stardust143

Go ahead and explain

[rgb008]

That person is an idiot lol

[HulkkSmash]

But bodybuilders do it all the time before a comp. (Not srs)

[cth96190]

I would say that the person who wanted to lose weight should seek medical advice and lose weight according to a diet and exercise plan that was created by a nutritionist and/or their doctor.
On a diet of 500 calories per day, you will lose muscle as well as fat, which is something that you do not want to happen.
It is not weight per se that matters. What matters is the proportion of fat to muscle.
Muscle burns a lot of fuel to just stay alive, so building muscle is an effective way to lose fat. You will also be healthier and look better.
A sensible planned diet and a fitness/exercise programme created by a personal trainer will get you there.
A crash diet that strips away your muscle will be a disaster.
If you stay on 500 calories per day long enough, you will die.

[HulkkSmash]

Dude she does it for a living. She competes in competitions.

[redeyemindtricks]

Ironically, the plan in question was created by nutritionists and doctors. It's the protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF). Have you ever heard of it?
It's not a random 500 cal/day diet... lol

[cth96190]

@redeyemindtricks
No, I have not heard of that diet.
I am built like a refrigerator, so 500 calories per day would not go far with me. :-)
I lose weight on 2,000 calories per day.

[redeyemindtricks]

If you're built like a refrigerator, the PSMF protocol would probably work out to 800-850 cal/day for you. It's scaled to bodyweight and lean mass, like every other nutritional protocol.

The most interesting part is the last sentence, here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/858966

For people going on a PSMF who are "mildly obese" (probably BMI 25-29 range) -- "After a deficit in lean body mass is produced, net protein anabolism can be achieved by a PSMF despite insufficient dietary energy."
In other words, you could GAIN muscle on this thing, eating 800-850 calories a day. Yep. That's a thing.

[HulkkSmash]

@redeyemindtricks

Yep. Thats a thing.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

My step-mom and dad do that every so often. They go on this crazy diet, I forget what it's called but they do it so they can basically pig out while on vacation. The first few times though, they lost a ton of weight and to be honest they look great.

Their skin looks good, the weight was lost in a way that looks nice. It makes me think that maybe we weren't meant to take in more than 12-17 hundred calories a day if we are just doing a regular amount of moving around.

[HulkkSmash]

Ill agree with you that its crazy

[redeyemindtricks]

"It makes me think that maybe we weren't meant to take in more than 12-17 hundred calories a day if we are just doing a regular amount of moving around."

^^ Interestingly, there's a lot of evidence to support the idea that calorie restriction -- in general -- can make people (and animals) live a LOT longer.
The evidence isn't conclusive, but there's a ton of it -- and, moreover, there's pretty much zero evidence *against* the idea. In other words, all of the data out there are either ON the side of "calorie restriction increases longevity", or else on the side of "meh it doesn't matter". No data to support the idea that calorie restriction SHORTENS anyone's life, provided there's no actual malnutrition (duh).
Obviously, not PSMF levels of restriction, but, yeah, more like the 1200-1700 figure you gave.

If you're interested, here's some reading for starters:

https://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/361.full

www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0891584914002317

[HulkkSmash]

@redeyemindtricks
Why are you so dedicated to push this diet?

[HulkkSmash]

@redeyemindtricks

Are you really that crazy?

[redeyemindtricks]

"Obviously, not PSMF levels of restriction..." Pls learn to read tx

[HulkkSmash]

@redeyemindtricks

Who can live on 1200-1700 besides women and fat men who dont do anything?

[redeyemindtricks]

"Who can live on LOW calories besides FAT men?"

loooooool go back and read that 5 times...

Dude, at this point, I *really* hope you are just a bad troll. Because otherwise... omg yr ignorance just knows no bounds.

[HulkkSmash]

@redeyemindtricks

you're crazy

[Telekinetic-Potato]

The recommended amount of calories an adult is supposed to take in per day is 2000. No?

[HulkkSmash]

Yes right around there.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

1200-1700 I don't see how living on that figure is so out of the question.

Of course if you were doing more work some day you'd eat more. I'm talking in general.

[HulkkSmash]

Youd have to be very small and not do much to live off those calories.

[HulkkSmash]

For example when i was 170 5'4 pounds and fat my maintenance not doing anything was 1700. I now have to eat over 2800 calories to gain weight at 180 pounds.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

lol, it's not true man. I'm speaking from expirence when I tell you that a person can go on a 500 calorie a day diet and if they follow a strict set of rules on what to eat, they not only aren't hungry after a few months, they stop losing weight.

The human body adjusts and the proof is in all the shopping Pia does and all the construction work I've been doing with my 49 year old father haha!

It amazes me too, I guess you'd have to see it to believe it. We think that the way we live is so normal because we've been doing it for so long. Do you live in America? You know one of the big things European's say when they show up? "The portions are too big to finish" And who knows how portion sizes were historically but I'd say that it's safe to assume they may have been generally smaller.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Right, but what were you eating?

[HulkkSmash]

LOL.

[Phoenix98]

I'd say they don't really know what they're talking about in terms of health and fitness then. I mean sure you can lose weight like that but it's unhealthy especially if your really active.

[RedHood7]

That whoever wrote it needs to go back to elementary school and rethink what they advise others to do. Fuck that. Regular humans need around 2000 calories just to go by.

[HulkkSmash]

I find it hard to function under 2500 cals.

[HulkkSmash]

Currently on a cut at 2200

[RedHood7]

As I said, around 2k

[dogbert444]

That person is dangerously wrong!! That is a starvation diet. It's like this faddy 5-2 diet, but every day.

WRONG ADVICE alert!!

[HulkkSmash]

She competes in bodybuilding competitions though. She must be right.

[HulkkSmash]

She also gives health advice for a living apparently.

[dogbert444]

This is total crap. Go on a treadmill at a medium walking pace and you can burn 150 cals in 30 mins easy! Walk a few miles and your 500 is gone. You start burning fat. When that's gone, you start losing muscle. When that gets low enough, your organs start shutting down. Like anorexia!!

[HulkkSmash]

Bro how can you argue with her? She does it for a living.

[redeyemindtricks]

@dogbert444 It's the PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) protocol. It doesn't involve much, if any, cardio, for obvious reasons. It's not a diet of 500 random calories a day lol.

Search the PSMF and do some research on it (you can start with the links I gave up there). The facts are surprising, but, most figure competitors use a similar protocol in the weeks leading up to a competition.

[dogbert444]

@redeyemindtricks The question gave a figure of 500 cals to lose weight fast. There was no mention of anything else. I'm not concerned with special diets or bodybuiding. That is for the experts. I simply answered the question from my personal experience of weight loss, exercise and diet.

[redeyemindtricks]

Yeah... LOL the question asker is weirdly obsessed with me, for some reason I can't begin to fathom, and so is spending his afternoon writing purposely loaded questions to distort the facts of a diet I simply told another user about.

[HulkkSmash]

Distort facts. Pretty sure you told someone to eat 500 calories. Even tho it took me 2 seconds to find out that diet is for the morbid obese.

[Puppylove94]

You made another question about this? Lol seriously?

[HulkkSmash]

lol i was upset. I find her so annoying for reasons i dont care to explain.

[fordcarz]

or you let people tell you bullshit online... cool.

[HulkkSmash]

@fordcarz

I dont care anymore. The woman is a fraud, on bb. com she'd be negged and ignored.

[fordcarz]

then you're pretty dim to believe this in the first place.

[HulkkSmash]

@fordcarz believe what?

[Anonymous]

I would guess given the brain size of some users here it's quite excessive to support ketone production.

[redeyemindtricks]

😂😂

[Yynow]

Ignore that stupid advice totally. Im assuming this person wants to lose weight? In which case start doing high intesity interval training (HIIT). Cut back on starchy carbs and learn how to lift heavy weights with good form.

[Polocrew]

Lmfaoo you posting all this on misc? Mlao in af, who

[HulkkSmash]

She's in the comment section. She even said you can gain muscle on a deficit.

[redeyemindtricks]

@polocrew The BB. com crowd should be at least somewhat familiar with this protocol, as Lyle McDonald's "RFL" (Rapid Fat Loss) program. There are a million zillion threads and logs on bb. com from users who have done it.

[Polocrew]

@redeyemindtricks I've done Lyle McDonalds almost every workout lol and i know what diet you talking about and its for obese or really over weighed people

[Polocrew]

Lmao won't be surprised if you made a whole question just for this lmfao

[0112358]

RFL is also pretty popular with fighters.

[HulkkSmash]

You know if this was misc she'd be negged to oblivion

[redeyemindtricks]

The PSMF was developed *clinically* (= in research labs) for obese people, but, of course it was -- that's the only type of thing that would ever get a research grant.
(That's why you don't EVER see studies on bodybuilders on PubMed -- those studies wouldn't get research money, because they wouldn't be regarded as "furthering the public good".)

It works just as well for non-obese people as for obese people. The only difference is that obese people can stay on a PSMF for a long time, whereas non-obese people have no reason to ever do one for more than a few weeks at a time.

[HulkkSmash]

@0112358
Yeah bruh, starving is really popular with insecure girls too.

[Polocrew]

@redeyemindtricks more than few weeks as in 2 weeks , He was prolly trolling and caught u hard af there lmao it's aight :-p

[Polocrew]

Lmfaooo @hulkksmash They sent one guy in redsea from 60sh k rep power for voting for Hillary lmfaoo

[0112358]

Yeah eating a whole chicken a day with unlimited vegetables is standard chick diet.

You see it on the covers of all their magazines.

[redeyemindtricks]

@0112358 😂😂😂 you're asking a bit much in terms of the humor level mah frennn

[HulkkSmash]

she's a nutter

[HulkkSmash]

I googled the diet and it took seconds to find out how dangerous it is.

Just lol at how crazy this shit is

[jakeofalltrades]

it is a bad idea, starving yourself is not the way to lose weight

[Rocket_Queen]

That the user is an idiot. 500 calories? Come on.

[HulkkSmash]

Fuck losing weight the healthy way.

[redeyemindtricks]

haha it's not any old 500 calories (nor is it 500 calories for everyone).
it's 400-800 calories of basically pure protein, with very specifically timed workouts, and proper supplementation.

This is actually a *SHORT-TERM* diet that has been used in the medical and dietetic community for something like 70 years, with pretty much perfect success among people who actually stick to it.
This user is just... weirdly obsessed with me, for reasons I don't understand, so he wrote this question purposely distorting the whole idea as if it were 500 random calories per random day for an indefinite period.

[Rocket_Queen]

@redeyemindtricks well now that makes more sense. Especially the -short term- part. That is something I feel like would benefit someone morbidly obese to get down before a weight loss surgery, gastric sleeve or such maybe?

[HulkkSmash]

It makes sense to eat 500 calories a day? Okay then.

[redeyemindtricks]

It was developed in the medical setting for morbidly obese people, but it works for rapid fat loss (and muscle preservation) in pretty much everyone.

It's standard fare in pre-contest for figure competitions. Girls can use a more gradual pre-contest, but that means dieting for 10-16 weeks (and possibly losing muscle, too) -- whereas 3-4 weeks of a PSMF means no muscle loss, and, importantly, just 3-4 weeks of dieting if it's done right.

The only real difference when non-obese people use the diet is that it's fucking HARD! lol... Obese people have a much easier time staying satiated on a diet like this, because they aren't trying to get down to competition-levels of bodyfat (which basically equals saying "fuck you" to all their body's setpoints).

Extremely obese people are different creatures altogether. I mean... check out this study of a really obese guy who did a TOTAL fast (0 calories) for OVER A YEAR.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../postmedj00315-0056.pdf

[Rocket_Queen]

500 cal for short term ONLY. Not for the next year. A few weeks at most I would guess, and I'm not to sure how you would use it. That's why I was curious, maybe before bariatric surgery? A lot of our surgeons put their bariatric patients on a quick tight diet prior to surgery for a little bit. The really morbidly obese ones.

[HulkkSmash]

It makes sense to suggest this, instead of a healthy diet to a girl who is not competing in a competition and is not a unhealthy weight. I'll leave it at that.

[redeyemindtricks]

When it comes to transitioning into a better diet and KEEPING weight off, people who've first lost the weight on a crash diet actually do better than those who haven't.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../abstract

[HulkkSmash]

@redeyemindtricks

I dont know honestly, only people i know who do these diets have anorexia.

[Rocket_Queen]

I personally would not recommend it to someone. While I see the purpose now, I don't think your average girl looking to fit back into her bikini would follow something like this well. But that being said, I'm kinda crazy body builder diet gun shy at the moment because we just lost a coworker to crazy body builder diets so, I'm leery, and also.. not a doctor. And @redeyemindtricks that fast was interesting. I've never even heard of that and wouldn't have even thought to try that. Interesting for sure.

[redeyemindtricks]

What happened with the co-worker?

Usually when there are fatalities, those come from the non-diet parts of people's programs. Especially diuretics like Lasix (which has probably killed more bodybuilders than everything else combined).
Do you know the details?

[Rocket_Queen]

@redeyemindtricks I don't know much. Family is kinda private, sort of a cultural thing also I think. He was young, 27, and had been overweight, nothing crazy and dieting to lose. Got down, did a lot of working out, lot of shakes and supplements, and got super cut and into body building over...4ish years? He's was a nurse so he knew what to look for, but he just arrested one night and wife found him purple.

[redeyemindtricks]

ok... I have some hypotheses, but no point in spamming the board with them. Suffice it to say diet wasn't the root cause. Not in the least bitty bit.

[GingerGuy]

Bad advice and very unhealthy to do.

[GingerGuy]

Body will go into starvation mode and instead of burning fat, the body will store it.

[fordcarz]

why do you care what somebody online says/

[HulkkSmash]

I dont anymore. I went to the gym and now im chill. I just find it crazy. From what i learned there's no cheating good health/physiques

[fordcarz]

since you believe that shit...500 calories? haha.

[Overtired]

Well I'm a girl but I call the guy a moron

[HulkkSmash]

It was a girl

[Overtired]

Where does it say that

[HulkkSmash]

The user who suggested it is a girl