I breastfeed my babies and whip em out where ever I am. Boobs are for feeding babies, if people are uncomfortable with breasts doing what they are meant to do that's their problem.
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I don't believe society frowns on wome who breastfeed.
I believe they mostly frown on women who decided to breastfeed right now (like in busy metro station or such) without considering to take few steps to sit in a park or other calmer palce? At least I certainly frown at people who break the rules of transportation and eat and drink inside the metro/bus,...
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If babies had 10s window where they either needed to be fed right now or die of hunger, then we, as species, would have already died out.
Oh! And which one do you prefer? If the person right next to you just starts vomiting into a bag or if they ask the driver to pull over so they can vomit outside?
Oh! I wonder whether what you would choose. Someone changing diaper right next to you at a bus or the baby screaming its head off? I am sure you'd complain about that. So which is it? Happy baby in new diaper or baby screaming it's head off?
Many people think it’s inappropriate to expose (even if it’s discrete and even just a bit) a breast outside of home. We should take into consideration the hunger state of the baby rather than how we feel about the mother breast feeding her baby. Truth of the matter is that it’s really none of our business.
It is not society that has a problem with the most natural and beautiful thing in the world. The probldm is inside the minds of sexually neurotic and repressed head cases.
I feel like its beacuse they feel that is something a woman should do in private. It feels like exposre your self. Also its awkward to get caught staring if your a boy it makes you feel like a prevert.
The funniest thing is to see some people who talk about the "rights of women to go topless in public" also talking about sexuality of exposed breasts when breastfeeding.
I don't know if it is because of forced, false, & fanatic religious dogma, closed-mindedness, personal shame, or just general stupidity, or any other combination to react negatively on something that is as Human as the sex that created the infant or the beauty from nature of the Human body. The kid is hungry, the breast is it's food source, folks. Get a life.
I breastfed all my babies and the sneers or remarks were from other women 100% of the time. All that mattered to me was whether or not my baby was hungry.
Fyi I assume you’re joking about the pepper spray - I hope so bc pepper spray is no joke and in some places it’s illegal to use unless you’re actually being threatened or in danger. It’s super painful, though the pain is only temporary. But while the pain is there it’s bad. Ask me how I know 😉
@all_hayl why would I be joking about pepper spray lmfao. I live in the ghetto in California, if someone was talking shit to me about breastfeeding either of my kids they’re getting sprayed or tazed. 😂
Ipersonally look at it from a safety point of view. Google how many rapes and sex offenders live within 10 miles of you. After that think about if you really want to arouse some creepy motherfucker especially if you have your baby with you. I've been in prison before and there are a lot of fucked up people in there who are sex offenders, and they brag about what they have done.
@Subarugirl No she isn't responsible for that. but she IS responsible for doing her best to keep her safety as well as that of her baby to the highest level. Knowing there are creeps around who are willing to do God knows what, it is your responsibility to make sure take the right measures at the very least decrease the odds if not prevent to trigger one of them. For example, by putting a piece of cloth over the breast and the baby. So the baby gets its food as well the mother covering her breast.
Either it is safety or ego. But from the sounds of it you're the type who chooses ego. Go figure.
@TruthBringer a lot of babies don't like being smothered by a blanket when they are eating, but beside that most women do use some form of covering. There is nothing unsafe about breastfeeding, unless you are doing it in an unsafe location, in fact breastfeeding is legally protected in every state in the united states of America. The real issue here is a cultural issues that leads people to over sexualize female anatomy, so when people see a woman using her breasts for something that is not sexual, it makes them uncomfortable... or they just sexualize it anyways. That's not the mothers fault, that fault lies with the person oversexualizing mammary glands.
@Subarugirl A piece of cloth doesn't smother a baby. If it does, then you're doing it wrong. It is literally hanging over the breast and the head the same way a bed curtain hangs over a bed. Also, the issue is not about it being legal or not. The issue is that there are nasty and bad people out there who can act out of place and risk your and your baby's safety. This is a measure of pre-caution and ethics. Your strawman arguments don't work here.
@TruthBringer And you are talking about something that you have absolutely no experience in. Being out in public automatically puts you at a higher risk for just about anything. Are you saying that we should just all stay at home. Driving a car puts you at a higher risk of dying in a car accident. Having a job increases you risk of workplace harassment. Trusting someone increased your risk of having that trust betrayed. There is risk in everything that you do no matter what you do. But you can't just stop living your life, feeding your baby, going to work, because there is chance that something bad will happen. At the end of the day you have to ask your self if the benefits out way the risk, educate your self the benefits/risks and make an informed choice.
@Subarugirl You can rant all you want with all the logical fallacies yo like, but it won't change the fact that it is more ethical to cover the breast and baby when breastfeeding. As well as decreasing the odds of attracting unwanted attention. I don't have to have experience in something to know it can lead to certain things.
There’s nothing wrong with breast feeding. The only issue is many people love to use the act to get unnecessary attention. Suddenly pulling out their boobs in the middle of the mall just to feed the baby.
I also never understood this. Wearing tiny bikinis are okay, whatever they wear on LGBT parades are okay, but breastfeeding is not. It's not even sexual, it's just feeding a baby, something that was done to us all when we were babies.
Nobody is frowning on the act of breastfeeding. They're frowning on indecency. My sister breastfeeds but she always is considerate when she does by covering up with a feeding blanket.
Finally somebody said it! It's not about breastfeeding, it's about ethics. Even though I have no issues seeing a boob breastfeed in public, I still think it would have been better if they covered themselves.
Probably because people view it as intimate. Especially in public. No one wants to see that in public. It's like PDA. No one wants to see that either. Do it behind closed doors. Your baby doesn't need it in public and can wait until you're home.
people nowadays especially women themselves think abortions are normal. so does a fuss on breastfeeding actually surprise you? I thought you would of known by now how much hope has been lost for humanity
Still I definitely think a woman should have a choice in those situations. A child shouldn’t have to carry her father’s baby. Which by the way did happen in my town. The girl was shamed by people like you while her dad, he’s still preaching at a little church.
@Cheechee4me I highly doubt her child's "dad" held her at gunpoint to open up her legs to him. if anything that is why you dont open your legs to just any losers to begin with. if women nowadays were more responsible in this department then they won't be needing that "choice" to abort in the first place.
What a scumbag she was 10. Oh my god just shut up. Not today satan. You just blamed a 10 year old for a man who outweighs her by at least 150 pounds for being raped and getting pregnant. Go fucking hate alone. The world doesn’t need child abuse sympathizers. Creep
Well she didn’t abort- even though she didn’t look at the accusations men like you cast on her. So frankly, it shouldn’t matter in the least what putrid waste like you think.
@Cheechee4me may I remind you that you just brought up her age now. if anything you're the one who sounds like satan in the flesh right now, leaving out important details in an argument to them use them as your self righteous leverage later on. till then no, you could be lying about her being 10 or the whole entire story as well just find an excuse to sleep at night.
also whether your story is true or not she is still one of the only 1%
@Cheechee4me "So frankly, it shouldn’t matter in the least what putrid waste like you think."
exactly, if you use other people's views as a way to justify your actions as killing your own offspring then the least you can do is take your birth control pills and stop killing innocent lives like a true satan
Sorry I’m not longer giving you the respect of listening to you. You’re a garbage human. No matter what, which you’ve just proven, you’d blame a female even when they are little for being raped. Absolute trash. No more respect for you. Bottom of the barrel.
@Cheechee4me yeah ok buddy, you shouldn't be talking about respect for the fact that we both know your story is nothing but self pitying horseshit. seriously dude wtf, a woman starts her ovulation in her pre teen years aka 12-13. therefore there is no way a 10 year old can get pregnant, this nonsense of yours was enough for me to pretend your ass does not exist
What was that? I still didn’t hear you? Burn in hell you piece of trash. Oh by the way I was raped several times as a child. Guess that was my fault too. You absolute disgrace. No matter what happens, you’ll always find fault with women. Screw you for degrading any rape survivor male or female. You’re scum and you’re the reason so many children get abused. Don’t even come at me with your rhetoric. You’re sickening and you should be ashamed.
You’re just like all those disgraceful pigs who silence children. Do you have any idea how high the suicide rate is for rape survivors? Oh yes tell me again how all them are lying and just whore. Rotten go away. Humanity doesn’t need a dime a dozen cheap insult like you.
What was that? Killing my offspring. What the hell are you on? At this point I’m just getting a laugh at your expense. That’s all people like you are worth a cheap laugh. Bottom of the barrel scum
What was that trash? I didn’t fucking hear you? You blame all rape survivors? Yeah? You think it’s cool for kids, who are primarily the victims of rape, assault and molestation to be abused? People like you make it more likely abortions will happen because of your bottom of the barrel judgements? What was that?
@Cheechee4me I wrote to you, I dont remember talking to you so there is no way you could of HEAR me either way.
"You blame all rape survivors? Yeah? You think it’s cool for kids, who are primarily the victims of rape, assault and molestation to be abused? People like you make it more likely abortions will happen because of your bottom of the barrel judgements? What was that?"
not sure where exactly did I said this. till then go take your damn pills already
Don’t try to backtrack. You’re garbage infect of survivors who end their lives. You encourage children’s lives to be ruined and then cause insult to injury. You are the lowest form of creature.
How about read. Unaccountable snake. Because of people like you, who call rape victims liars are the reason more abortions happen. You’re the reason children don’t come forward and why more survivors commit suicide. You are a poisonous sorry excuse for a human. Absolute shame to you. It doesn’t matter what the age of the person is- people like you will still make sure they suffer while their actual rapist gets away with it. This discussion is over. You’re an irresponsible black void of a human. Weak ass excuse.
@Cheechee4me how about you READ, just because I denied your story for sounding extremely illogical does not mean I believe ALL rape victims are liars. seriously dude you sound like you got a major case of making sweeping generalizations alright.
"Weak ass excuse."
lmao says the person who's been whiningly trolling me for the past 2 hours
Oh I did read and I heard you loud and clear until you started blaming children for being raped. I was listening until it became clear how very thoughtless your words are and the damage they do to survivors. How very clueless you are just how horrific rape is because you want to be. Scumbag.
@Cheechee4me Nowhere did he blame rape victims and ou cannot hold him accountable for pulling judgement on extremely limited information you have given. It seems like you're one of those people who cannot stand other people's perspectives and therefore resort to shaming and demonization. You're literally doing the very thing you accuse others of doing. Typical behavior from the left wing. Seems like self-contradictions and logical fallacies are your thing.
@TruthBringer my instincts tell me that she is a burner account indeed and wouldn't be surprised if its someone we know. she hasn't even been on this site that long yet if you look at her profile you will see that she is only active on this post
@TruthBringer Victim blaming refers to a practice of questioning what a victim could have done differently in order to prevent a crime from happening, thus implying the fault of the crime lies with the victim rather than the perpetrator.
@Subarugirl Actual rape ad whatever otehr crime happened is the fault of aggressor, not the victim. But baby girl, if you don't think for a second that certain actions and certain decision that victims make wouldn't contribute of the circumstance that took place, then you're living in La La Land. Read the Take and read the comments. If you're going out at night, all drunk and being flirtatious with strangers, you have yourself to blame for allowing yourself to be put in that situation. That is the only blame you have, not that what happened actually did. A crime is still a crime. But don't dare insult people's intelligence and pretend that you didn't have a hand in the outcome.
@TruthBringer Victim blaming refers to a practice of questioning what a victim could have done differently in order to prevent a crime from happening. From what you said, it sure does sound like you saying that if you hadn't done (insert what ever you want here) than you wouldn't have been raped, which takes some of the blame away from the rapist and places it on the person who was raped. Rape isn't about attraction, or sex drive, or about being tempted its about control and power.
@Subarugirl Again, read the Take. Your baseless attempt in shaming will not work. That Take gives you very accurate insight of the concept of accountability. The main point is, one's own actions can lead to certain outcomes or increase the odds of certain outcomes. Acknowleding that the responsibility lies with ourselves to not put ourselves in positions that can compromise our safety is crucial to living a life where such drama are reduced to the minimum. That someone does come and does something to you is their fault. At the same time, realizing that one's own actions allowed it to get to that point (for giving the perperator a chance to do their mischief) is what's all about. Something the likes of you and the other snowflake don't want to hear and start shaming anyone who gives you a piece of common sense.
Read the Take. Otherwise whatever you say is hereby dismissed as it holds no credibility.
@TruthBringer Im not shaming, I am just stating that telling someone that they could have done something differently in order to prevent themselves from being the victim of a crime is by definition victim blaming. That's like saying, oh well if you weren't at school when the shooter started shooting than you wouldn't have gotten shot...
Less than 20% of rapes are committed by a stranger. Meaning that 80% of people who are raped know their rapist. Girls between the ages of 16 and 19 are 4 times more likely than the rest of the population to be the victim of sexual assault and 75% of rapists are 21 years old or older, 50% are 30 or older. Just being teenage female puts you at a higher risk to be sexually assaulted by an adult make that she is more than likely to know.
@Subarugirl Well no point in telling something what they should have done after it happened. Although it must be taken a lesson in order to prevent it from happening again.
Better yet, educate people that the world is dangerous and not everyone is your friend and that one should take pre-cautions in order to minimize the odds of something happening. Don't want to hear it from me? Hear it from them https://youtu.be/jAHd5Jyxl88
@Subarugirl You can throw statistics all you like but it doesn't take away the fact that the responsibility lies with ourselves to prevent such drama. An example is that a woman being raped by her ex or her boyfriend. But if you look deeper, you see that she got with him knowing he had a criminal history or has always been a mischievious bad boy. This was merely an example. So while you say that the majority were raped by people they know, that doesn't take away the fact that they still had some form of power to have prevented it. By not getting in a relationship with such a bad person, for example. Same argument you feminists use when telling men who were burnt with alimony that it is their fault for dating such a woman. Isn't that victim blaming either? Even though there still is some truth to it?
By the way, this topic was not even about rape. it is about breastfeeding. But some people like to pull red herrings to divert away from valid arguments. Like you are doing. Again, read the Take or watch the video.
" I highly doubt her child's "dad" held her at gunpoint to open up her legs to him. if anything that is why you dont open your legs to just any losers to begin with. if women nowadays were more responsible in this department then they won't be needing that "choice" to abort in the first place. "
@Subarugirl And where exactly is he wrong with that? Isn't prevention better than fixing? The reality of the matter, many people (both men and women) ignore red flags and stilll continue to commit to the wrong sort of people. I've given you clear examples of that, but you simply chose to ignore (since you cannot remove my comments this time). And then complain that they had a "toxic" partner or in this case, a partner who went too far.
Like I said, if you're going to ignore red flags when you know they occured, then you really have yourself to blame. The same principle applies to PJ Washington who is now dealing with alimony and child support after that idiot ignored all the red flags of Brittany Renner
@Subarugirl CLearly you didn't get the memo that we were talking about situations where there is some form of control. If you have read my Take you will find out that whatever is being said does NOT apply to victims such as children or other victims who had no control whatsoever. But of course, like always, you LOVE to take shit out of context and twist them to make the other look like a bad person. You're hopeless.
@TruthBringer I been on this site for a decade and you are 110% about her not being the first feminists nor the are the other ones who we have caught recently. all these feminists bimbos who use this site all have been neurotic enough to either want to have the last word, or pretend that they are not alone in an argument
@Subarugirl There are feminists here who stand behind their word as well and yet still got caught using burner accounts. So what's your point? It isn't our issue that you cannot tell the difference between recognized accountability and victim blaming.
@Subarugirl Your definition has been proven to be flawed and one that is only there to patronize anyone who doesn't conform to your #metoo ideology. You believe in your delusion and I'll stick to rationale & common sense. Thank God there are women out there with common sense, unlike you and your deperssed little Ez-Bri-Z lol that is lmfao.
@TruthBringer Here is the literal definition of victim blaming.
victim blaming [victim blaming] NOUN the assigning of responsibility for harm, injury, or other misfortune to the person who suffered it. "the host came under fire for his apparent victim blaming of a rape victim during the episode"
And here is the legal definition. Victim blaming is a devaluing act where the victim of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment is held as wholly or partially responsible for the wrongful conduct committed against them. Victim blaming can appear in the form of negative social reactions from legal, medical, and mental health professionals, as well as from the media and immediate family members and other acquaintances. Traditionally, victim-blaming has emerged in racist and sexist forms. The reason for victim blaming can be attributed to THE misconceptions about victims, perpetrators, and the nature of violent acts.
"the assigning of responsibility for harm, injury, or other misfortune to the person who suffered it." - The responsibility of the act lies with the perperator. No one said the act is the victim's fault.
"Victim blaming is a devaluing act where the victim of a crime, an accident" . So meaning the incident has been DEVALUED. No one her is devalueing the incident.
"is held as wholly or partially responsible for the wrongful conduct committed against them." Meaning within the context of devaluation. So bascially shit is being brushed aside like no big deal and the victim being (partially) blamed for it. Again, no one is devalueing shit.
Now, back to reality. So you're basically saying that a person who recognized the FLAWS in acts of the victim that have CONTRIBUTED to giving the perperator a better chance to act on their mischief, learns from it and warns others is now "victim blaming". If that's considered "vIcTiM bLaMiNg", then I'm proud to be a so-called "vIcTiM bLaMeR". But the reality is, it is not. It is being realistic in recognizing the errors of both parties that have lead to the evil incident.
Again, you've obviously not read my Take. By your definition these dudes are "victim blamers" for acknowledging that the responsiblity of safety lies within our hands first and taking necessary precautions to avoid unwanted incidents. I think not. So keep deluding yourself. https://youtu.be/jAHd5Jyxl88
@Subarugirl again not sure where I was not "sympathetic." she tried justifying abortions because SUPPOSEDLY only women who've gotten pregnant via rape get abortions and I called her out by saying that less than 1% of the women who abort their children are actual rape victims. in other words almost 100% of the women who get abortions get it because they FEEL LIKE IT.
but because she knew I was right and her cognitive dissonance did not allow her to rest she then decides to act like a victim and goes deeper into rape and as I kept calling her out she resorted to that victim blaming nonsense to make me look like the asshole when all I did was speak the truth.
till then all you are doing right now again is repeating all the bullshit she said, not analyzing whether what she said made sense or not. so with that said I guess you have no authority to point fingers and talk about sympathy when you yourself dont even know what your talking about. all you're doing is going along with the red herring
@CasaNorba Save your breath. Women like her (feminist, not surprising at all) want to flush common sense down the toilet as long as it holds them accountable. No matter how many facts and rationale you throw at them, in their minds, it is never their fault. Trust and believe, when I walk in a ghetto with a Rolex and I get robbed, miss Subarugirl here will laugh at me and call me a fool for going to a ghetto, let alone with a Rolex. But when someone gets raped because she chose to go out at night to a (shady) bar, getting stupid drunk and starts flirting with all sorts of weird men, don't even dare tell her that her decision making didn't contribute to the unwanted outcome. Gotta love the hypocrisy and double standards.
Let her claim "victim blaming". Just imagine having a parent like that not teaching you the basics of personal safety and letting you do whatever you want and go wherever you want and whenever you want, despite the danger. Her little friend Ez-Bri-z is like that. She admitted to support everyone to go out and do whatever they want without regards to personal safety because "people shouldn't do XYZ". Asif we are living in some utopia. I honestly feel like calling CPS at this point. Next time that I'm going to my parents, I will thank them from the bottom of my heart not to be like these two idiotic feminists, for keeping us safe and teach us how to look after our own safety.
@TruthBringer Amen! noticed how she didn't even explained her attack, she just when along with the red herring that another psycho said before her. I wanna thank my parents too for my similar upbringing, but what I'm really thankful for is the fact that I'm not originally from the west
Also @TruthBringer it seems like feminism has somehow compelled women to believe that being a victim automatically means they are good people and that is definitely not how reality works. Anyone can be a victim of any circumstances in life. For example a drug dealer who got caught selling drugs and then faces police brutality is obviously a victim, but does that mean we should all treat him like a good person and forget that he was a drug dealer? I don’t think so.
Just felt like pointing that out before someone builds momentum again
@CasaNorba Oh trust me, that momentum will always be built regardless of how much logic you throw at them. In their minds, we are siding with the perperator, when that's far from the truth. This is why I don't bother with feminists in my life. Not only are they a massive headache and are far from truly loving & feminine women, I also don't want to risk getting false accusations thrown at my head because the snowflakes decided to enter her wahmen moment.
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I breastfeed my babies and whip em out where ever I am. Boobs are for feeding babies, if people are uncomfortable with breasts doing what they are meant to do that's their problem.
I don't believe society frowns on wome who breastfeed.
I believe they mostly frown on women who decided to breastfeed right now (like in busy metro station or such) without considering to take few steps to sit in a park or other calmer palce?
At least I certainly frown at people who break the rules of transportation and eat and drink inside the metro/bus,...
If babies had 10s window where they either needed to be fed right now or die of hunger, then we, as species, would have already died out.
The same with some parents letting their kids pee and poop in middle of square because "now or it's too late".
Oh! And which one do you prefer? If the person right next to you just starts vomiting into a bag or if they ask the driver to pull over so they can vomit outside?
I will take that as your preference is someone vomiting right next to you.
Oh! I wonder whether what you would choose. Someone changing diaper right next to you at a bus or the baby screaming its head off? I am sure you'd complain about that. So which is it? Happy baby in new diaper or baby screaming it's head off?
And people who need their baby to start crying out of hunger are pretty bad parents... The crying is the late sign of hunger! As the last resort when the baby is getting desperate! www.verywellfamily.com/how-to-tell-when-your-baby-is-hungry-431636
Many people think it’s inappropriate to expose (even if it’s discrete and even just a bit) a breast outside of home. We should take into consideration the hunger state of the baby rather than how we feel about the mother breast feeding her baby. Truth of the matter is that it’s really none of our business.
It is not society that has a problem with the most natural and beautiful thing in the world.
The probldm is inside the minds of sexually neurotic and repressed head cases.
Indeed.
I feel like its beacuse they feel that is something a woman should do in private. It feels like exposre your self. Also its awkward to get caught staring if your a boy it makes you feel like a prevert.
The funniest thing is to see some people who talk about the "rights of women to go topless in public" also talking about sexuality of exposed breasts when breastfeeding.
Sick guys
It's Not About The Breastfeeding! It's About Your Boobs Being Exposed! ↗
I don't know if it is because of forced, false, & fanatic religious dogma, closed-mindedness, personal shame, or just general stupidity, or any other combination to react negatively on something that is as Human as the sex that created the infant or the beauty from nature of the Human body. The kid is hungry, the breast is it's food source, folks. Get a life.
I breastfed all my babies and the sneers or remarks were from other women 100% of the time. All that mattered to me was whether or not my baby was hungry.
No sorry I’ve seen a male cop actually harass a woman who was breast feeding. I also have heard several comments just as snarky from men.
@Cheechee4me So when you say, "No sorry," are you saying the sneers and comments made TO ME were not only from women? Wth?
Women can be so judgy. It’s really gross.
@loves2learn I was literally tools by a female" Eew gross. That's not what they're for!"
Ugh. Tools = told
@TrueConfection ummm, lol. Except that is exactly what they are for. What an idiot.
@Cheechee4me Fuck off dude. Thats enough
Because people are disrespectful. I’m glad no one ever said shit to me cause they would have gotten pepper sprayed so quick
Fyi I assume you’re joking about the pepper spray - I hope so bc pepper spray is no joke and in some places it’s illegal to use unless you’re actually being threatened or in danger. It’s super painful, though the pain is only temporary. But while the pain is there it’s bad. Ask me how I know 😉
@all_hayl why would I be joking about pepper spray lmfao. I live in the ghetto in California, if someone was talking shit to me about breastfeeding either of my kids they’re getting sprayed or tazed. 😂
and thats assault😂
Maybe you didn’t read what I wrote. If you had turn you wouldn’t need to ask that question.
All that means is that you’re super insecure and can’t handle someone talking shit.
Now if they threaten you or harm you then you have a case.
@all_hayl I think I was in the middle of cooking dinner when I read this cause it definitely wasn’t read all the way through on my end lmfao.
@jspl90 and I don’t care 😘
Ipersonally look at it from a safety point of view. Google how many rapes and sex offenders live within 10 miles of you. After that think about if you really want to arouse some creepy motherfucker especially if you have your baby with you. I've been in prison before and there are a lot of fucked up people in there who are sex offenders, and they brag about what they have done.
How is that the mother problem. She isn't responsible for what other people do.
@Subarugirl No she isn't responsible for that. but she IS responsible for doing her best to keep her safety as well as that of her baby to the highest level. Knowing there are creeps around who are willing to do God knows what, it is your responsibility to make sure take the right measures at the very least decrease the odds if not prevent to trigger one of them. For example, by putting a piece of cloth over the breast and the baby. So the baby gets its food as well the mother covering her breast.
Either it is safety or ego. But from the sounds of it you're the type who chooses ego. Go figure.
@TruthBringer a lot of babies don't like being smothered by a blanket when they are eating, but beside that most women do use some form of covering. There is nothing unsafe about breastfeeding, unless you are doing it in an unsafe location, in fact breastfeeding is legally protected in every state in the united states of America. The real issue here is a cultural issues that leads people to over sexualize female anatomy, so when people see a woman using her breasts for something that is not sexual, it makes them uncomfortable... or they just sexualize it anyways. That's not the mothers fault, that fault lies with the person oversexualizing mammary glands.
@Subarugirl A piece of cloth doesn't smother a baby. If it does, then you're doing it wrong. It is literally hanging over the breast and the head the same way a bed curtain hangs over a bed. Also, the issue is not about it being legal or not. The issue is that there are nasty and bad people out there who can act out of place and risk your and your baby's safety. This is a measure of pre-caution and ethics. Your strawman arguments don't work here.
@TruthBringer And you are talking about something that you have absolutely no experience in. Being out in public automatically puts you at a higher risk for just about anything. Are you saying that we should just all stay at home. Driving a car puts you at a higher risk of dying in a car accident. Having a job increases you risk of workplace harassment. Trusting someone increased your risk of having that trust betrayed. There is risk in everything that you do no matter what you do. But you can't just stop living your life, feeding your baby, going to work, because there is chance that something bad will happen. At the end of the day you have to ask your self if the benefits out way the risk, educate your self the benefits/risks and make an informed choice.
@Subarugirl You can rant all you want with all the logical fallacies yo like, but it won't change the fact that it is more ethical to cover the breast and baby when breastfeeding. As well as decreasing the odds of attracting unwanted attention. I don't have to have experience in something to know it can lead to certain things.
There’s nothing wrong with breast feeding. The only issue is many people love to use the act to get unnecessary attention. Suddenly pulling out their boobs in the middle of the mall just to feed the baby.
I also never understood this. Wearing tiny bikinis are okay, whatever they wear on LGBT parades are okay, but breastfeeding is not. It's not even sexual, it's just feeding a baby, something that was done to us all when we were babies.
Nobody is frowning on the act of breastfeeding. They're frowning on indecency. My sister breastfeeds but she always is considerate when she does by covering up with a feeding blanket.
Finally somebody said it! It's not about breastfeeding, it's about ethics. Even though I have no issues seeing a boob breastfeed in public, I still think it would have been better if they covered themselves.
Probably because people view it as intimate. Especially in public. No one wants to see that in public. It's like PDA. No one wants to see that either. Do it behind closed doors. Your baby doesn't need it in public and can wait until you're home.
I don't know considering society would be dead without having been breastfed itself. And what's a mother to do, let her baby starve?
i dont know about stigma but id never breastfeed and then have milk running down my body 24/7
annoying af. kmagine being constantly wet
I can relate my older sisters had babies and they tell me all about leaking tits. lol Some times they would pump them just to get the pressure off.
@malwins that isn’t how it works. The baby sucking triggers the milk to let down. Occasional leaks happen but it’s not a faucet.
Just get special bras. You’re going to leak anyways and you’ll likely retain you pregnancy belly if you don’t at least try to.
I agree with you completely. It is a natural and needed thing. It isn't like a woman does it for fun or to expose herself.
people nowadays especially women themselves think abortions are normal. so does a fuss on breastfeeding actually surprise you? I thought you would of known by now how much hope has been lost for humanity
No actually most aren’t unless it’s a case or rape or incest (which is usually rape just a family member).
@Cheechee4me please dont bullshit me, statistics say that less than 1% of the women who get abortions get because of the reason you just mentioned.
Still I definitely think a woman should have a choice in those situations. A child shouldn’t have to carry her father’s baby. Which by the way did happen in my town. The girl was shamed by people like you while her dad, he’s still preaching at a little church.
@Cheechee4me I highly doubt her child's "dad" held her at gunpoint to open up her legs to him. if anything that is why you dont open your legs to just any losers to begin with. if women nowadays were more responsible in this department then they won't be needing that "choice" to abort in the first place.
What a scumbag she was 10. Oh my god just shut up. Not today satan. You just blamed a 10 year old for a man who outweighs her by at least 150 pounds for being raped and getting pregnant. Go fucking hate alone. The world doesn’t need child abuse sympathizers. Creep
Well she didn’t abort- even though she didn’t look at the accusations men like you cast on her. So frankly, it shouldn’t matter in the least what putrid waste like you think.
@Cheechee4me may I remind you that you just brought up her age now. if anything you're the one who sounds like satan in the flesh right now, leaving out important details in an argument to them use them as your self righteous leverage later on. till then no, you could be lying about her being 10 or the whole entire story as well just find an excuse to sleep at night.
also whether your story is true or not she is still one of the only 1%
@Cheechee4me "So frankly, it shouldn’t matter in the least what putrid waste like you think."
exactly, if you use other people's views as a way to justify your actions as killing your own offspring then the least you can do is take your birth control pills and stop killing innocent lives like a true satan
Sorry I’m not longer giving you the respect of listening to you. You’re a garbage human. No matter what, which you’ve just proven, you’d blame a female even when they are little for being raped. Absolute trash. No more respect for you. Bottom of the barrel.
I don’t care what her age was trash. Sorry I didn’t get the rest of that. People like you deserve to be cast out so humanity can heal. Go to hell.
@Cheechee4me yeah ok buddy, you shouldn't be talking about respect for the fact that we both know your story is nothing but self pitying horseshit. seriously dude wtf, a woman starts her ovulation in her pre teen years aka 12-13. therefore there is no way a 10 year old can get pregnant, this nonsense of yours was enough for me to pretend your ass does not exist
What was that? I still didn’t hear you? Burn in hell you piece of trash. Oh by the way I was raped several times as a child. Guess that was my fault too. You absolute disgrace. No matter what happens, you’ll always find fault with women. Screw you for degrading any rape survivor male or female. You’re scum and you’re the reason so many children get abused. Don’t even come at me with your rhetoric. You’re sickening and you should be ashamed.
Yeah okay fuck you trash. Again I didn’t get the rest of that. MAJOR SCUMBAG HERE FOLKS.
You’re just like all those disgraceful pigs who silence children. Do you have any idea how high the suicide rate is for rape survivors? Oh yes tell me again how all them are lying and just whore. Rotten go away. Humanity doesn’t need a dime a dozen cheap insult like you.
What was that? Killing my offspring. What the hell are you on? At this point I’m just getting a laugh at your expense. That’s all people like you are worth a cheap laugh. Bottom of the barrel scum
@Cheechee4me you're in my opinion so why dont you go away instead
What was that trash? I didn’t fucking hear you? You blame all rape survivors? Yeah? You think it’s cool for kids, who are primarily the victims of rape, assault and molestation to be abused? People like you make it more likely abortions will happen because of your bottom of the barrel judgements? What was that?
@Cheechee4me I wrote to you, I dont remember talking to you so there is no way you could of HEAR me either way.
"You blame all rape survivors? Yeah? You think it’s cool for kids, who are primarily the victims of rape, assault and molestation to be abused? People like you make it more likely abortions will happen because of your bottom of the barrel judgements? What was that?"
not sure where exactly did I said this. till then go take your damn pills already
What was that? I didn’t hear you. People like you- their day is just about done. Bottom of the barrel.
Don’t try to backtrack. You’re garbage infect of survivors who end their lives. You encourage children’s lives to be ruined and then cause insult to injury. You are the lowest form of creature.
@Cheechee4me "You encourage children’s lives to be ruined and then cause insult to injury."
where exactly did i said this?
How about read. Unaccountable snake. Because of people like you, who call rape victims liars are the reason more abortions happen. You’re the reason children don’t come forward and why more survivors commit suicide. You are a poisonous sorry excuse for a human. Absolute shame to you. It doesn’t matter what the age of the person is- people like you will still make sure they suffer while their actual rapist gets away with it. This discussion is over. You’re an irresponsible black void of a human. Weak ass excuse.
@Cheechee4me how about you READ, just because I denied your story for sounding extremely illogical does not mean I believe ALL rape victims are liars. seriously dude you sound like you got a major case of making sweeping generalizations alright.
"Weak ass excuse."
lmao says the person who's been whiningly trolling me for the past 2 hours
Oh I did read and I heard you loud and clear until you started blaming children for being raped. I was listening until it became clear how very thoughtless your words are and the damage they do to survivors. How very clueless you are just how horrific rape is because you want to be. Scumbag.
@Cheechee4me Nowhere did he blame rape victims and ou cannot hold him accountable for pulling judgement on extremely limited information you have given. It seems like you're one of those people who cannot stand other people's perspectives and therefore resort to shaming and demonization. You're literally doing the very thing you accuse others of doing. Typical behavior from the left wing. Seems like self-contradictions and logical fallacies are your thing.
@TruthBringer my instincts tell me that she is a burner account indeed and wouldn't be surprised if its someone we know. she hasn't even been on this site that long yet if you look at her profile you will see that she is only active on this post
Are you seriously blaming rape victims for being raped instead of the rapists... what the actual fuck.
@Subarugirl Another one who cannot read...
let me also educate you a bit about victim blaming, missy:
Why the term “victim blaming” is both misused and overused ↗
@TruthBringer Victim blaming refers to a practice of questioning what a victim could have done differently in order to prevent a crime from happening, thus implying the fault of the crime lies with the victim rather than the perpetrator.
@Subarugirl Actual rape ad whatever otehr crime happened is the fault of aggressor, not the victim. But baby girl, if you don't think for a second that certain actions and certain decision that victims make wouldn't contribute of the circumstance that took place, then you're living in La La Land. Read the Take and read the comments. If you're going out at night, all drunk and being flirtatious with strangers, you have yourself to blame for allowing yourself to be put in that situation. That is the only blame you have, not that what happened actually did. A crime is still a crime. But don't dare insult people's intelligence and pretend that you didn't have a hand in the outcome.
Your "victim blaming" shit got debunked.
@TruthBringer Victim blaming refers to a practice of questioning what a victim could have done differently in order to prevent a crime from happening. From what you said, it sure does sound like you saying that if you hadn't done (insert what ever you want here) than you wouldn't have been raped, which takes some of the blame away from the rapist and places it on the person who was raped. Rape isn't about attraction, or sex drive, or about being tempted its about control and power.
@Subarugirl Again, read the Take. Your baseless attempt in shaming will not work. That Take gives you very accurate insight of the concept of accountability. The main point is, one's own actions can lead to certain outcomes or increase the odds of certain outcomes. Acknowleding that the responsibility lies with ourselves to not put ourselves in positions that can compromise our safety is crucial to living a life where such drama are reduced to the minimum. That someone does come and does something to you is their fault. At the same time, realizing that one's own actions allowed it to get to that point (for giving the perperator a chance to do their mischief) is what's all about. Something the likes of you and the other snowflake don't want to hear and start shaming anyone who gives you a piece of common sense.
Read the Take. Otherwise whatever you say is hereby dismissed as it holds no credibility.
@Subarugirl And no, nobody is reliefing the perpetrator from their responsibility. Reading comprehension, practise it.
@TruthBringer Im not shaming, I am just stating that telling someone that they could have done something differently in order to prevent themselves from being the victim of a crime is by definition victim blaming. That's like saying, oh well if you weren't at school when the shooter started shooting than you wouldn't have gotten shot...
Less than 20% of rapes are committed by a stranger. Meaning that 80% of people who are raped know their rapist. Girls between the ages of 16 and 19 are 4 times more likely than the rest of the population to be the victim of sexual assault and 75% of rapists are 21 years old or older, 50% are 30 or older. Just being teenage female puts you at a higher risk to be sexually assaulted by an adult make that she is more than likely to know.
@Subarugirl Well no point in telling something what they should have done after it happened. Although it must be taken a lesson in order to prevent it from happening again.
Better yet, educate people that the world is dangerous and not everyone is your friend and that one should take pre-cautions in order to minimize the odds of something happening. Don't want to hear it from me? Hear it from them
https://youtu.be/jAHd5Jyxl88
@Subarugirl You can throw statistics all you like but it doesn't take away the fact that the responsibility lies with ourselves to prevent such drama. An example is that a woman being raped by her ex or her boyfriend. But if you look deeper, you see that she got with him knowing he had a criminal history or has always been a mischievious bad boy. This was merely an example. So while you say that the majority were raped by people they know, that doesn't take away the fact that they still had some form of power to have prevented it. By not getting in a relationship with such a bad person, for example. Same argument you feminists use when telling men who were burnt with alimony that it is their fault for dating such a woman. Isn't that victim blaming either? Even though there still is some truth to it?
By the way, this topic was not even about rape. it is about breastfeeding. But some people like to pull red herrings to divert away from valid arguments. Like you are doing. Again, read the Take or watch the video.
@Subarugirl "Are you seriously blaming rape victims for being raped instead of the rapists... what the actual fuck."
where the fuck did I say that? are you here for a real argument or are you just repeating the same horseshit this maniac bimbo was saying?
I wouldn't be surprised if she was you, people like you must have a least 1 or 2 burner accounts on the down low
" I highly doubt her child's "dad" held her at gunpoint to open up her legs to him. if anything that is why you dont open your legs to just any losers to begin with. if women nowadays were more responsible in this department then they won't be needing that "choice" to abort in the first place. "
@Subarugirl And where exactly is he wrong with that? Isn't prevention better than fixing? The reality of the matter, many people (both men and women) ignore red flags and stilll continue to commit to the wrong sort of people. I've given you clear examples of that, but you simply chose to ignore (since you cannot remove my comments this time). And then complain that they had a "toxic" partner or in this case, a partner who went too far.
Like I said, if you're going to ignore red flags when you know they occured, then you really have yourself to blame. The same principle applies to PJ Washington who is now dealing with alimony and child support after that idiot ignored all the red flags of Brittany Renner
@TruthBringer there is a big difference between raping your 10 year old daughter and getting divorced.
@Subarugirl CLearly you didn't get the memo that we were talking about situations where there is some form of control. If you have read my Take you will find out that whatever is being said does NOT apply to victims such as children or other victims who had no control whatsoever. But of course, like always, you LOVE to take shit out of context and twist them to make the other look like a bad person. You're hopeless.
@CasaNorba Yeah I'm also starting to suspect that was her burner account. Wouldn't be the first feminist to be caught with it.
@Subarugirl noticed how I said all of that way before she CLAIMED that it was rape
@TruthBringer I been on this site for a decade and you are 110% about her not being the first feminists nor the are the other ones who we have caught recently. all these feminists bimbos who use this site all have been neurotic enough to either want to have the last word, or pretend that they are not alone in an argument
@TruthBringer I don't need a burner account, I stand behind everything I say.
@CasaNorba as someone who has been on here for a decade I would have expected that you would be a little more sympathetic towards current issues.
@Subarugirl There are feminists here who stand behind their word as well and yet still got caught using burner accounts. So what's your point? It isn't our issue that you cannot tell the difference between recognized accountability and victim blaming.
@TruthBringer I think the issue here is that we don't agree on the definition, in which case we will have to just agree to disagree.
@Subarugirl Your definition has been proven to be flawed and one that is only there to patronize anyone who doesn't conform to your #metoo ideology. You believe in your delusion and I'll stick to rationale & common sense. Thank God there are women out there with common sense, unlike you and your deperssed little Ez-Bri-Z lol that is lmfao.
@TruthBringer Here is the literal definition of victim blaming.
victim blaming
[victim blaming]
NOUN
the assigning of responsibility for harm, injury, or other misfortune to the person who suffered it.
"the host came under fire for his apparent victim blaming of a rape victim during the episode"
And here is the legal definition.
Victim blaming is a devaluing act where the victim of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment is held as wholly or partially responsible for the wrongful conduct committed against them. Victim blaming can appear in the form of negative social reactions from legal, medical, and mental health professionals, as well as from the media and immediate family members and other acquaintances. Traditionally, victim-blaming has emerged in racist and sexist forms. The reason for victim blaming can be attributed to THE misconceptions about victims, perpetrators, and the nature of violent acts.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/v/victim-blaming/
@Subarugirl
"the assigning of responsibility for harm, injury, or other misfortune to the person who suffered it."
- The responsibility of the act lies with the perperator. No one said the act is the victim's fault.
"Victim blaming is a devaluing act where the victim of a crime, an accident" . So meaning the incident has been DEVALUED. No one her is devalueing the incident.
"is held as wholly or partially responsible for the wrongful conduct committed against them." Meaning within the context of devaluation. So bascially shit is being brushed aside like no big deal and the victim being (partially) blamed for it. Again, no one is devalueing shit.
Now, back to reality. So you're basically saying that a person who recognized the FLAWS in acts of the victim that have CONTRIBUTED to giving the perperator a better chance to act on their mischief, learns from it and warns others is now "victim blaming". If that's considered "vIcTiM bLaMiNg", then I'm proud to be a so-called "vIcTiM bLaMeR". But the reality is, it is not. It is being realistic in recognizing the errors of both parties that have lead to the evil incident.
Again, you've obviously not read my Take. By your definition these dudes are "victim blamers" for acknowledging that the responsiblity of safety lies within our hands first and taking necessary precautions to avoid unwanted incidents. I think not. So keep deluding yourself.
https://youtu.be/jAHd5Jyxl88
@Subarugirl again not sure where I was not "sympathetic." she tried justifying abortions because SUPPOSEDLY only women who've gotten pregnant via rape get abortions and I called her out by saying that less than 1% of the women who abort their children are actual rape victims. in other words almost 100% of the women who get abortions get it because they FEEL LIKE IT.
but because she knew I was right and her cognitive dissonance did not allow her to rest she then decides to act like a victim and goes deeper into rape and as I kept calling her out she resorted to that victim blaming nonsense to make me look like the asshole when all I did was speak the truth.
till then all you are doing right now again is repeating all the bullshit she said, not analyzing whether what she said made sense or not. so with that said I guess you have no authority to point fingers and talk about sympathy when you yourself dont even know what your talking about. all you're doing is going along with the red herring
@CasaNorba Save your breath. Women like her (feminist, not surprising at all) want to flush common sense down the toilet as long as it holds them accountable. No matter how many facts and rationale you throw at them, in their minds, it is never their fault. Trust and believe, when I walk in a ghetto with a Rolex and I get robbed, miss Subarugirl here will laugh at me and call me a fool for going to a ghetto, let alone with a Rolex. But when someone gets raped because she chose to go out at night to a (shady) bar, getting stupid drunk and starts flirting with all sorts of weird men, don't even dare tell her that her decision making didn't contribute to the unwanted outcome. Gotta love the hypocrisy and double standards.
Let her claim "victim blaming". Just imagine having a parent like that not teaching you the basics of personal safety and letting you do whatever you want and go wherever you want and whenever you want, despite the danger. Her little friend Ez-Bri-z is like that. She admitted to support everyone to go out and do whatever they want without regards to personal safety because "people shouldn't do XYZ". Asif we are living in some utopia. I honestly feel like calling CPS at this point. Next time that I'm going to my parents, I will thank them from the bottom of my heart not to be like these two idiotic feminists, for keeping us safe and teach us how to look after our own safety.
@TruthBringer Amen! noticed how she didn't even explained her attack, she just when along with the red herring that another psycho said before her. I wanna thank my parents too for my similar upbringing, but what I'm really thankful for is the fact that I'm not originally from the west
Also @TruthBringer it seems like feminism has somehow compelled women to believe that being a victim automatically means they are good people and that is definitely not how reality works. Anyone can be a victim of any circumstances in life. For example a drug dealer who got caught selling drugs and then faces police brutality is obviously a victim, but does that mean we should all treat him like a good person and forget that he was a drug dealer? I don’t think so.
Just felt like pointing that out before someone builds momentum again
@CasaNorba Oh trust me, that momentum will always be built regardless of how much logic you throw at them. In their minds, we are siding with the perperator, when that's far from the truth. This is why I don't bother with feminists in my life. Not only are they a massive headache and are far from truly loving & feminine women, I also don't want to risk getting false accusations thrown at my head because the snowflakes decided to enter her wahmen moment.
Firstly let's not shame people who use formula for whatever reason.
As for why, it's because breasts are sexualized. People are uncomfortable seeing them and have trouble separating the two functions.
Some women can’t make as much milk or their nipples can even be the wrong shape. It’s not their fault.
@Cheechee4me and some just don't want to and that's perfectly ok.
Yep it is.