What diet do you eat?

[cavmanier]

Are you an omnivore, vegetarian or vegan? Do you have a reason for your choice?

Omnivore

Vegetarian

Vegan

Carnivore--what's a vegetable?

[Butterfly1002]

if you looked in my refrigerator, you would think I were a strict vegetarian. When I eat vegetarian foods, my body just feels better. I do not allow myself to buy meat in a grocery store, but I do eat meat whenever someone else is cooking for me. I created this loophole for myself because I am allergic to fish and in a region where everybody eats fish almost all the time! I feel so uncomfortable telling people I can't eat that lovely salmon they made for dinner, that I just couldn't bare the idea of adding anything else to the list of things I can't eat despite the fact that if I claimed to be vegetarian it would encompass my fish allergy. Also, when I travel, I adore trying local foods no matter what the are and eating out can be limiting at times as a vegetarian in certain areas

[Anonymous]

vegan, but because I'm broke I've been eating some animal products that my parents buy just to get calories in... I don't want to starve.. I'm vegan for health reasons, I love animals, killing them doesn't mean you hate them...in the wild, animals don't kill because of hate... it's survival... I just don't like it when vegans use that excuse, for me its purely health reasons, I don't believe humans were designed to eat meat and if we were defiantly not in the large portions that we do... it is very hard on the digestive system...

when I say I eat animal products I mean just rice with chicken broth, mashed potatoes with sour cream, my mom cooks this way, when I make my own stuff it always steamed or raw.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Anyone who is smart and cares about health is an omnivore. Vegetarian/Vegan diet misses out on key nutrients (like B12) that the body needs and won't get others as efficiently (like Protein) compared to if they ate meat. Sure you can be healthy enough if you eat Vegetarian and Vegan if you take supplemental pills/shots, but that's not natural and who knows if there's a long run problem with that because of how short of a time those options have been around. Carnivore is an even dumber diet and I doubt any human on this planet is a pure carnivore.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Oh man, the idiots about the "ethical reasons" lol. 1) Animals will always die and be abused. That's nature. We can kill them ethically and eat them fine if we have proper regulations and people to enforce those regulations 2) it's not worse for the environment to have animal products. That's a lot of bullsh*t pushed by the vegan/vegetarians of the world (follow the money of those studies, ya... far from unbiased sources). 3) Meat is still necessary for your diet.

[cavmanier]

I think you're right that it is healthier being an omnivore in theory. Yes, it's because there are a small amount of nutrients that are harder, not impossible, to come by on a vegan diet. In reality I think vegans eat a much healthier diet though because they actually eats lots of fruits, vegetable, beans, ect. Most omnivores, in America at least, eat an abundance of high fat meats and refined sugars without much fruits and vegetables.

[lace1228]

Most don't understand vegan diets...

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I'm not saying everyone should become vegan but should meat alternative maybe 2-3 times a week.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

lol, biased websites.

[GiftShop]

You are very closed minded. No one is bashing anyone for eating meat, it's a personal decision someone makes. And you are false. I get just as much protein as any eat eater. Meat is not necessary for your diet. I get B12 from sushi. I also don't get why you say being a vegetarian is not "natural"... should I say being a Omnivore is not "natural? No, Omnivore or vegetarian both are natural and it's your decision. and many vegetarians/vegans grow their own fruits/veggies.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

I said you get protein more EFFICIENTLY! You can't deny that. Let's say you have a pound of vegetables that provides protein and a pound of meat. You'll get more protein with the meat. So, really, to get your balance of protein you'd need less meat than you would vegetables to get the same amount. And it gets it easier

And b12 is ONLY in meat. So if you're eating sushi and getting b12, it has meat in it. Omnivore is natural, no society in the history of our species has been strictly vegetarian

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

I'll give you some more fun facts:

By avoiding beef, you are over 7 times more likely to suffer a zinc deficiency.

CoQ10 is another nutrient you deprive yourself enough of if you're strictly vegan or vegetarian. Sure, you can get it, but the amount found in plants based foods is FAR less than if you supplement a little meat into your diet.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

As for the claims of why meat is bad? Well.. the claim about animal fats cause heart disease?

Studies have shown that the plaque in arteries that causes heart disease is mostly made of unsaturated fats, especially polyunsaturated ones (in vegetable oil), not the saturated fat of animals like vegetarians believe.

In fact, the body needs saturated fats to be able to use other key nutrients, like fatty-acids and fat-soluble vitamins.

And the claims about vegetarians living longer? Also false.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

When you compare someone health conscious that's a meat eater to those who don't eat meat, the lifespans are statistically identical. The study that claimed meat eaters die sooner? Ya, they talked to people that didn't eat healthy (i.e. also had a ton of junk food) and didn't exercise where as the vegetarians they talked to did. It was skewed from the start.

Just accept it, the claim that a Vegetarian diet is "healthier" is a lie. It can be healthy enough (especially if you take supplements)

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

However, it is neither healthier nor healthiest. It is just a form of eating. If you personally don't like meat? That's fine. If you want to eat how you want to eat, that's fine. But don't do it claiming it's healthier or pretend you're morally higher than those who do eat meat. You're not any better one way or another, just a different diet you prefer and if you prefer it for taste reasons, that's subjective and perfectly valid. But don't claim it's objectively better in any way.

[GiftShop]

Many of you facts about studies are actually wrong. Yes, and your also getting a lot of other crap by eating beef.

“B12 only found in meat” that’s false

The truth that it also comes down to, America is getting too many saturated fats.

I have never claimed to be healthier than other people.

And for a fact I just don’t care. I make my decisions and you make yours.

I don’t care what other people eat.

You get sick of vegetarians saying they are healthier?

[GiftShop]

I get sick of people bashing us or saying it's not natural that we don't eat something we don't like.

[lace1228]

Actually those sites were only to show that it is possible to eat a vegetarian diet and still get everything a meat eater gets. I can eat a veggie burger and get more protien then a regular beef burger. Go to your grocery store yourself and compare it yourself if I feel that the companies are lying. Sounds like your just unable to learn something new. No one got in your face and insulted you just wanted to show you what options vegetarian or vegans have. Want to eat meat go ahead beat.medo but

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

lol, right, the facts and studies that were from non-biased groups are false, but the studies from the vegan/vegetarian advocates are TOTALLY non-biased right? Suuuuure. B12 is found in meat. And you see meat eaters demanding you eat meat? I never do. I see vegans and vegetarians being the smug bastards looking their nose down on people for eating meat. And then claiming bullsh*t like it protects animals (it doesn't, fun fact, the animals we eat are the least likely to go extinct right now) or

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

being healthier (again, I've shown how it isn't). And lace, no, it's not possible to get everything a meat eater gets NATURALLY. It's just not. I've given a few substances that are only obtained by meat and animal products. Does that mean vegetarians/vegans are totally unhealthy? No, but that doesn't mean they are maximizing their health.

And bullsh*t you can get more protein from a veggie burger. Bullsh*t. The same proportion of any plant will not give as much protein as the same portion of

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

meat. Yes, you can get protein from plants, but you get it more efficiently from meat. That's just a fact. I've compared the facts. You apparently haven't. The amount of protein in meat is larger proportionally and it obtains more complete protein (i.e. all the amino acids the body needs). There's a problem there like you only need a bit of meat, but too much is bad (and most do eat too much), but don't you DARE claim a lie like meat/animal products doesn't give more protein than alternatives.

[GiftShop]

Not going back and forth with you. You are very closed minded and bitter and your view on vegetarians are very negative for no reason...

[lace1228]

Then why are vegetarian and vegans scientifically proven to live longer healthier lives? Oh wait I just wasted my time. You already choose not to believe it and any truth I send you will be dismissed. Oh well people disappoint me all the time. People will rather be right even if wrong. then learn. People should question everything they have ever known and do some real honest research themselves . Knowledge is free for those who aren't lazy. Or brainwashed. I don't want to be a robot and

[lace1228]

Have people tell me I have to be this or that. Just because we have been doinf certain things for hundreds of years doesn't mean it is right. Why be a lemming when you can be so much more.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Lace, those studies that show vegetarian/vegans live longer healthier lives ignore that those people who were compared were ones who exercised regularly and paid more close attention to their diets as a whole than those who did not. Studies that don't account for all the variables are not sufficient studies to prove any specific thing because when you leave such factors unaccounted for you skew the results. It's the same bullsh*t with the 77cents to a dollar statistic that ignores many variables

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

I've given you concrete examples and studies, and you still come all high and mighty as if Vegetarianism/Veganism is better. I never said it was bad overall, I even said you can have a healthy enough life being one, but I said it is NOT healthier than someone who is an omnivore who is just as health conscience and controls their intake of foods as well. And that's just a fact.

[atorin]

Even if you dismiss the health part, what about all the extra mouths vegetaranism can feed and all the envromental damage caused by meat eaters.

[atorin]

For example the fact that 17% of greenhouse gasses are caused by the meat industry... 17%... even a person like you could not ignore such alarming facts.

[atorin]

And on your original comment, you can live a good veggie lifestyle with no supplements and with more than enough nutrients. The issue is when you get the vegetarians just in name. The ones who eat chips and pizza all day and claim to be healthier. but if your meals consist of veggies and your snacks consist of fruits, there is no healthier diet. This is too excluding exersize, they can't be a couch potato lol

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Without the supplements, no, you can't be fully healthy with a veggie or especially a vegan lifestyle. You can be healthy enough, but you will always be deficient of some nutrients.

As for feeding more people? We have to many people as is. We should be working on controlling our population to be far less. Hell, even if you account for ONLY plant based diet and purely natural, our planet can only support 4 billion. If not for the genetic engineering we have done so far, we would have more

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

starving mouths. As fro the greenhouse gases caused by the meat industry? Guess what, those can be controlled without lowering the population of the animals we eat. They are taking steps to do so. In fact, they are taking steps to harness the gas produced by those animals to be used as power sources for the industry. There are better and smarter alternatives than to take the absolutist position of cutting it out entirely.

[atorin]

That is not true. Every single nutrient your body needs is available through vegetables. That is not a opinion, it is a scientific fact. The trick is you need to know whitch ones to eat to receive all of them. And if they are able to reduse it from 17% to 15% by sticking tubes up the cows ass... but it doesn't fix the problem fully, not to mention that the greatest cause of deforestation is the meat industry. This removes valuable jungle that cleans our air. So while you are polluting you are

[atorin]

Removing the earths natural filters. You are also driving over 100 species to extinction daily. Also the physical waste from animals is considered one of tbe greatest pollutants in a ecosystem. Sure you could try coolecting that too... then you have cows grown in a cage they cannot stand in, tubes coming out their ass collecting farts and sh*t, force feeding them corn grown on the land where forests once lived, then grinding up their ears so you can enjoy a hot dog... how am I the extreme one?

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Bullsh*t lol. Vitamin B12. Your body needs it, only meat gives it. Creatine, Vitamin D3, Carnosine and Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) are all ONLY obtained from meat. ALL of them are necessary for your body to be fully healthy. Meat also provides the best source of proteins and iron and zinc. How can someone pretend to know so much and know so little? You think vegetables provide every nutrient you need? Not even.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

And if you care so much about animals, why do you want to risk the species we eat to extinction? If we no longer eat them, we'll stop producing them on the levels we do. And they'll likely be prone to extinction more so. While it's true humans in the past used to eat animals to extinction, these days we eat them and make sure to breed them enough to keep feeding or population.

And, as I said, we have ways of dealing with their waste and not have it harm the planet. It's just not fully

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

adapted with all the farms around the planet yet because they are newer technologies. Try getting educated before you come at me with your bullsh*t vegetarian nonsense. I give you specific vitamins and nutrients only obtained by meat. Go learn about them. Go learn how they aren't obtained at all from plants. And go learn how they are necessary for your body. Basically, get educated, kid.

[atorin]

Vegetarian, on my way to being vegan. If you look at all the problems that can be fixed or reduced by adopting a vegan diet it is an obvious choice. Povery, hunger, deforestation, global warming, obesity, cancer, diabetes, other various health issues, slaughter houses, extinctions, ecnomic woes, polution, fresh water supply, and many more. Our race refues to solve all these issues because their burgers taste too good. To me it just seems selfish of them.

[atorin]

Who rated this down? I'm not angry but could you tell me why you don't agree? Everything here has pages of evidence to support it.

[palek]

You are only going to be here for 80 or so years my friend (if things go well), so what are you getting so flustered about? Perhaps if you work at it hard enough we could expand the average human lifespan to 90 years, but they'll be fairly miserable ones if all I have to eat is carrots? I just prefer quality to quantity.

[atorin]

I understand what you are saying, but once you stop eating meat for extended period of time it repulses you. Even if I gave up being vegetarian I would not want to eat meat. I fjnd it disgusting now. No one ever believes me when I say that but it is true. They say"dont you mjss bacon?" But I dont. Even if it had no impact on the enviroment or my health I would pick the carrot. And I actually plan on living past 100, I am young and people my age actualy have a 50% chance of living to 100. :)

[palek]

Well, as long as you're happy, I'm happy for ya. I'm OK, you're OK. It does strike me as odd though, that vegetarianism seems to take on many of the characteristics of a religion.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

lol... LOL... AHHAHAHAHAHAHA

that's all.

[atorin]

On the contrary, we have mountains of cold hard facts from thousands of sources and a rational goal with real benefits. Religion has a dusty old book written by crackpots and does nothing but show you who to hate and who to obey...

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Vegetarian "facts" are often biased poor studies that often ignore many several variables or are at best half truths. The cold hard facts are that our bodies were made to be omnivores. The cold hard facts are that there are several key nutrients best obtained or even ONLY obtained via meats. The cold hard facts are that being a Vegetarian can be healthy enough, but to claim it's healthier is just straight up ignorant.

[atorin]

it is not ignorant. How many thousands of studies do you need. Its like argung wth a creationst, millons of studies and facts pont to evolution being true. Yet you get all these freaks out there who think their centuries old veiws are infallible. No sh*t darwn was biased with his information, he used it to support his theory, but he came to fully beleive in the theory when the evidence overwhelmed him, similar to modern doctors advocating a vegan lifestyle.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

It is ignorant of you to claim it is healthier or healthiest. I'm probably the person here that reads the most studies and literally the studies, not just articles on the studies. I read them for fun, but you'll find that there aren't nearly as many thousands of studies claiming vegitarian diets are healthy. You'll find thousands of articles pointing to about a dozen different studies. Each of them ignoring key variables or just straight up false studies paid for by vegan/vegetarian industry

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

or vegan/vegetarian groups pushing their lifestyle on others. It's as bad as the meat industry's studies claiming a lot of meat is good for you (no, a lot is not, but some is, moderation is always key).

You truly know nothing if you think everyone must be a vegan/vegetarian or that it's the best healthiest choice for the people and the planet.

[atorin]

This is pathetic, you think I just read a article or two about this. I read dozens to be ready for some mislead fool coming along. Do not presume to know my research on the subject. I agree that vegetarians should not force their lifestyle on others, it should be everyones choice. However It is a fact, 100% true that it would be better for the planet. And jf you look at cancer rates, diabetes rates, heart disease rates, and death rates, all are signifigantly lower in vegetarians/vegans. You are

[atorin]

Denying facts to fit your own fantasy. Even if you ignore those figures, numerous studies you claim to have looked jnto all point to a veggie lifestyle being the best.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Lol, you read dozens of articles all pointing to the same poorly done and biased studies. I just gave you a good list of 5 vitamins/nutrients in my answer that are necessary for the body to be fully healthy and ONLY obtained by meat. If you think you can get them naturally from plants, you're just ignorant and delusional. And it's funny you agree with that fact yet you seem to want to force your lifestyle on everyone. And no, it's not fact, it's bullsh*t lies spread by the vegans/vegetarians who

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

want nothing more than to push their lifestyle on others for their own moral opinions. Honestly, go learn about Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitamin D3, Carnosine and Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA). Go learn about the technologies to harness the waste of animals to help grow plants or power facilities. Go get educated because clearly you've only paid attention to biased studies/articles that you agree with and ignored all other things.

[atorin]

Lets get this straight, I have read many studies, especially on the enviromental impact and they have all pointed to the dangers of meat production. in terms of the nutrients you listed, all are available to vegetarians through dairy and plants. For vegans, many are still available through plants but a couple are not. Those however are regularly found in vegan processed foods. You may call this supplement, but everyone gets countless key nutrients from foods that are processed, such as cereal.

[atorin]

Also, I don't force my cood choices on others, I stated my prefrence and why I do it. I reacted to mislead information on my diet and then disputed false claims, I never soutght out all the meat eaters to tell them they are evil, but if they sought me out I sure let them have it.

[atorin]

You seem semi educated, why do you attack a way of life that every single shred of evidence points to as being beneficial. I am speaking about vegetarians, there is some evidence, however weak, against vegans. Vegetarianism offers a huge solution to dozens of problems, from poverty to health to the enviroment. You seem to be trying to twist around the facts to make it fit. The enviromental, social, health, and moral impacts are irrefutable.

[atorin]

And the only rhing going against vegans is the absence of a couple semi important nutrients, available in many power bars... it seems your entire argument is based on those 2 nutrients while I have mine based on impacts across the board. I get where your coming from, I really do. Ishared your veiw in the past. I was convinced by the evidence, the pros FAR outweigh the cons. You don't have to convert, I just wish you would accept that the lifestyle is very beneficial.

[GiftShop]

I am a Vegetarian. I hope to be a Vegan in a few years.

I am a Vegetarian because I cannot personally eat meat and know that I am taking an animals life for food. I don't need it... The thought of chewing on an animals flesh actually does make me sick to my stomach.

It was a personal choice I made about two years ago.

I eat delicious things and am very satisfied.

This said because many people say " you are only going to live this long, why not enjoy it"?

The satisfaction I get knowing I could be helping animals is more satisfaction I can get eating them.

[britannny]

I'm a strict vegetarian. I try to avoid as many animal byproducts as possible. I wouldn't quite label myself as a "vegan", however.

My reasons? Because it's bad for the environment to eat meat and dairy, and because I feel it's wrong to exploit animals when it is completely unnecessary. I'm not some animal freak, though (not that there's anything wrong with that). Honestly, I don't even really like most animals, lol. But I still feel like we should just leave them alone.

[confugirl]

I eat meat, but I don't neglect the vegetables. I avoid any kind of grains or potatoes, since they make me gain weight like crazy.

My reasons are because of the blandness of a vegetarian diet. I know vegans and vegetarians think their recipes are delicious, but they really aren't. I'd need some animal products to make it taste somewhat good. And with my limitations to bread, potatoes and anything that gives food some kind of substance, I can't afford to also drop meat from my diet.

[Anonymous]

I used to be paleo for a year and fallowed a lot of weston price advice. Then started researching vegetarianism as well. Also saw inside slaughter houses and factory farming facilities. Turned me off completely and I went vegetarian in a month. Even if I could get pasture raised meat, I still wouldn't eat it. Grosses me out now. Even as a kid I didn't really like it unless it was processed, which is even grosser now. haha

And watching this did the final blow

https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

[LizTheWeirdKid]

I'm a vegetarian. I think its selfish to take another living creature's life for one's own pleasure. I've been a vegetarian for about 7 years. but honestly, I used to love meat. I was a big time meat lover but after seeing the conditions and treatment of animals in factory farms, I decided to stop consuming meat. I still miss it sometimes, but I love animals and their lives are more important to me than a moment of selfish pleasure.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

So it's OK to kill a living plant, but not a living animal? It's OK to pay human workers terribly with sh*tty working conditions for picking and getting vegetables (meat workers are better paid because of higher regulations). Just saying, it's kinda not all good.

[lace1228]

What a stupid comparision.

[atorin]

They are in horrid conditions. Yhey are oftel illegal and therefore, to the companies, disposable. They could chop their thumbs off on the buzz saws and have it fall in your pink slime and no one would give a crap. Plus the meat industry makes more people work in feilds than if we were all vegetarians. Animals eat massive amounts of plants... all grown in tbe places you described.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

lol atorin, you know nothing.

[atorin]

In what way. You cannot make a claim like that without evidence.

[atorin]

I on the other hand will support my evidence. "Despite the hardhats, goggles, earplugs, stainless-steel mesh gloves, plastic forearm guards, chain-mail aprons and chaps, leather weightlifting belts, even baseball catcher's shin guards and hockey masks . . . the reported injury and illness rate for meatpacking was a staggering 20 per hundred full-time workers in 2001. This is two-and-a-half times greater than the average manufacturing rate of 8.1" - human rights watch.

[atorin]

This is from the comprehensive report "blood, sweat, and fear" whitch goes on to cite instances where workeres are seriously injured while cutting 40 birds a minute, and the carcasses now covered in both human and animal blood continue down the line. You should read it.

[Jonny_]

Omnivore, Humans are designed to be omnivores... My sister was a vegetarian and was told by a doctor that she had to start eating meat again because it's not healthy.

[britannny]

It's not unhealthy at all, if you eat right. If you don't eat the things you're supposed to eat, of course it's unhealthy.

[Jonny_]

She did eat the 'right things'... But she's anaemic so vegetarian diet isn't good at all for her. Your body needs protein and iron, you can get it from vegetables, but you need to eat a lot of them... Supplementing is pretty much useless as it's not the bodies preferred method of nutrition, plus the body doesn't absorb them as well as they do from food. I don't really get the point in being vegetarian... I'd do it if I thought we might save animals, but we aren't.

[atorin]

If I lived off a diet consisting of only potatoes I would have more than enough protein. Of course a diet of only potatoes is bad, but the point is that we don't need nearly as much protein as you think. Look up the bodybulder jim morris. He is a vegan who is ripped out of his mind, and he also happens to be almost 80 years old.

[atorin]

Btw what type of doctor was it?

[Jonny_]

It was by a GP then she was referred to a specialist...

[atorin]

Im not saying they werent certefied to discuss it, I just know that my gp told me not to and told me it was like starving my body. I was about 50lb overweight at the time. I am now a healthy weight and fully fit. I had other health issues that were all solved too. She was so shocked after the first year that she began reading into it and reccomending the lifestyle to others. She said that in school she learned it was dangerous but then when she researched it everything pointed to its benefits.

[britannny]

You can get plenty of iron and calcium from a vegetarian diet. The typical meat eater who just eats whatever disgusting processed crap that's around is more likely to be malnourished than a vegan who pays attention to what they are putting into their bodies. And it's not just about "saving the animals". It's about saving the planet. But no one cares about pollution.

[Jonny_]

I know more malnourished vegetarians and vegans than I do omnivores... And you can get iron and calcium, but not plenty. Processed? Maybe in America... The meat we eat here isn't processed. Plants are living things too, just because they don't have a face it's OK to eat them as well yeah? Meat will always be in the stores whether I were a vegetarian or not, so I may as well eat it as opposed to it going to waste.

[djvtech]

"Meat will always be in the stores whether I were a vegetarian or not, so I may as well eat it as opposed to it going to waste."

That's like saying "pollution will always be in the air so I may as well keep burning my garbage". lol makes me laugh at the biases some people have.

[Jonny_]

Different argument my man... Meat will be in the store no matter what. Burning garbage actually adds to pollution, not eating meat doesn't stop animals getting killed... So it's completely different.

[lace1228]

Actually the more people who stop eating meat or cut back drastically the supply and demand will go down a lot.

[Jonny_]

Chances of that happening are low though, anyway until then the meat being produced would be going to waste regardless... I don't see what the issue is, even animals eat other animals.

[lace1228]

At least animals kill in away more honurable then the slaughter house. They also only kill what they need no more. We live in an era where we can learn and grow and discover new truths and facts. I guess most people aren't willing to look outside of the box and live life blindly. Most of the time it has to do with igorance and being to stubborn to want anything else.

[atorin]

You are going back to what she said earlier. Its like saying the chances that everyone will stop polluting is low, so why bother. It may be a challenge to get more people to adopt vegetarianism but people who see the evidence, accept it, and then say why bother are the biggest issues. The chances aren't too low by the way, vegetarianism is rapidly growing worldwide.

[Jonny_]

Everyone I know who has tried has converted back soon after... They say numbers are growing but what's this based on, just a general census? Pretty sure they don't ask everyone. Humans are designed omnivores, you can tell even by human teeth that they are supposed to be omnivores. The slaughter house is designed to be the quickest and most humane way, a steel rod to the brain.

[atorin]

Or drop them squealing into a pit of boiling oil. Enters the lungs and sears them to death. Imagine having searring hot oil poured ino your lungs... but hey its more efficient because it at the same time removes all of their hair. There is also the process where they stick a hook into their abdomen while they are still living and drag their screaming heads over a buzz saw. This is efficient because they are already hanging and already upside down when they are beheaded so the blood drains quick.

[palek]

Lobster, Thai, Indian, French, Cajun cuisines, bacon, prime cuts of beef...oh, and did I mention bacon? I basically eat things that taste good, as I was designed to do so.

[Levin]

Omnivore. I've phased out, or am eating less of, foods that wreak energetic havoc on my body. Those are gluten, dairy, red meat, and excessive sugar. I'm going to eat less meat in general too, for ethical and health reasons.

[bubble_tea]

You forgot pescetarian ;)

I'm omnivore anyway. Steaks are delicious!

[cavmanier]

I've never heard that term.

[bubble_tea]

Maybe it's not an official term, but some people eat like that (for reasons I don't understand). A pescetarian is a vegetarian who eats fish and seafood.

[vishna]

I'm a vegetarian wading in the waters of a vegan diet.

personal ethical reasons

[RosaliaVanderbilt]

I am a vegetarian because I don't like the taste of meat, I find vegetarianism helps me to maintain a healthy weight, and because I find it disgusting the way animals are treated in the North American meat industry.

[butterflyred]

i don't go for a diet! I love foods, I'm just lucky I have a fast metabolism. so I can eat anything, pluz I love sports, swimming.. and work hard.

i love fruits and veggies but I love steak, pork, chicken, red meat or white. ^_^

[RedSmartie]

Omnivore. Meat is delicious but so are vegetables. We humans were given the ability to enjoy all of life's flavors, so why not take advantage of it?

[asianfreak]

Omnivore, hands down. Despite eating more vegetables, neither a plain vegetarian/vegan diet is sustainable for me in a long period of time, nor is a plain carnivore diet sustainable for me in a long time period.

[xzinax2]

vegan. ethical reasons,the health improvement is a nice bonus.

[palek]

No offense intended, but I've never understood on what basis an atheist is motivated to embrace ethics/morality?

[xzinax2]

common good.

[britannny]

Lol. Palek, is the threat of punishment all that keeps you from doing immoral acts? If so, that speaks ill of your character. But surely that's not the case.. Surely you have a conscience. Atheists have those too.

[palek]

Threat of punishment? Do you love your mother simply to avoid her wrath? And the fact is, we all DO have a conscience, or what has been referred to as "moral motions". Don't you ever wonder why?

[atorin]

Because communities that evolved without them killed each other, so only those with mlrals survived. I don't want this turn into a big religious debate, nor do I know how she feels, but I personally don't beleive in god because I see no proof. I think its possible he exists but I'm not going to take anyone's word on the issue. I take a more scientific approach, give me proof of your hypthesis or I will not seriously consider it.

[palek]

Ditto. You have your religion, and I have mine. And what does people killing each other have to do with eating meat? "To those who believe, no proof is actually necessary (although the evidence is indisputable), and to those who disbelieve, no proof is possible".

[xzinax2]

congratulations palek. you managed to start a religious debate out of my 10 words that had nothing to do with religion *slow clap*

[palek]

You're the one who requested "proof" of my hypothesis. What less could you expect?

[xzinax2]

i didn't ask for anything,the only thing I said was ''common good'',read it all again

[atorin]

Lol sorry I'm adding fuel to the fire, but this is begining to back away from religion. I said murder to give a reason for morals. If you have 2 groups of Neanderthals, one with morals and the other without, the one with morals will have children and thrive and evolve into us, the group without will perish because they would kill each other. Eating meat is also immoral, I gave all the issues it helps solve in my other comment. All the solutions sacrificed for the taste of meat.

[palek]

Quit pickin on me, I'm old! I thought I was responding to that atorin guy. Meh. ; - )

[atorin]

Ha ha like I said, sory for adding fuel to the fire. I understand your religion is important to you and inrespect that, when I die I may find you were right all along. As of now however I see no actual evidence. There are numerous faiths all providing contradicting "proof". I am open minded though, I know that we don't know everything, and there may be a god, but until they can give me proof I will remain skeptical. Unless you have resounding proof just discovered, please respect my veiws.

[palek]

Immoral? Morality seems like a fairly relative subject without God as a benchmark, which is where we diverge. Without any absolutes, who is to say what is right or wrong, fair or unfair? Otherwise we can only look to consensus which is a subjective position at best since it leaves any of us free to raise our own flag. I do very much respect your humility in professing agnosticism as opposed to Atheism; however, and have no hostility toward you. We'll simply have to agree to disagree...

[xzinax2]

the thing is though,palek,most religions preach about humility,giving up bodily pleasure for the sake of having a pure soul-which is really what veganism is-not killing for the sake of ''it tastes good''. not to mention ''thou shall not kill''. plenty of religious people are vegans. also, link

[palek]

It might be wise not to rationalize your position based on Biblical teachings. You're so far askew from the Biblical reality it's embarrassing.

[xzinax2]

there is nothing rational about religion,so it can't really be called rationalization,it's just the logic of vegetarians that are christian link

[palek]

This isn't to say that being a vegetarian is in any way antichristian, it's just that it's in no way mandated or even suggested as a superior choice.

[palek]

Read these three books by Francis Schaeffer and then tell me there's nothing rational about Christianity: The God Who Is There; He Is There and He Is Not Silent and Escape From Reason. Then try on The Everlasting Man and Orthodoxy by the brilliant GK Chesterton (noted slayer of Atheists in debates); and the entire apologetic oeuvre of master logician and former Oxford Don CS Lewis.

[xzinax2]

don't try to make religion rational-the whole point of it is being irrational-one of the main rules is not questioning it and blindly following it with no evidence-faith. religion isn't supposed to be and never has been rational-this isn't an attack,it's just how it is. it's what religious people say themselves when you ask for evidence.

[palek]

I spent 20 years studying the subject intensively. Read the first five books I've recommended, then come back and tell me Christianity is not rational. I reserve leaps of faith for more trivial endeavors. In a series of 8 debates with George Bernard Shaw the brilliant author and leading Atheist of his day, GK Chesterton was declared the winner by a landslide. Sounds fairly rational to me.

[xzinax2]

look,i don't care-believe what you want to,i know you people twist your own religion so you can feel at peace with it-but the rules are-questioning is blasphemy,and you have to believe without evidence-that's not rational.

[cavmanier]

Palek, I'm curious what you think. Do you believe all morals are objective, according to Gods will, or only certain ones he states or implies. What I'm getting at is does our culture create morals as well which it sounds like you would say are subjective?

[palek]

What I'm trying to say is that you're grossly misinformed about the truth of it all. Admittedly there are fundamentalist dullards running about creating such misinformation, the fact is, the truth is actually very much the opposite. Yeshua (Christ) came to release us from the law.

[cavmanier]

I don't understand what you mean by law. Do you mean oppressive governments?

[palek]

No, the Old Testament Covenant, which is from which emanates the "rules" you speak of, and fear of questioning.

[atorin]

I dropped out of this but your starting to piss me off. She is obviously smarter thsn you and you will therefore never convert her. Stop trying, you see yourself on some self righteous mission, we see you as a lunatic yelling at the world that your magic flying ass hole is real and everyone elses imaginary friends are fake. This is why I hate religion, your so eager to fight tooth and nail to prove to others your diety is right. Come back when religious wars and persecution end. Then we'll talk.

[ManaX]

In a family of omnivores my brother is the only vegetarian. Go figure.

[theunicorn87]

Vegetarian... I wish I could eat meat but my body rejects it... once in awhile though it's worth the pain. I miss it but I do love veggies

[TedStar]

I'm currently going paleolithic and I'm very much an omnivore. A hardly have any meals without meat in them

[Maestro9]

Omnivore.. I believe that everything in moderation is healthy

[Anonymous]

I eat a little of everything. I eat less meat than most omnivores, but I do partake once or twice a week.

[kangaru]

mostly a meat eater but vegetarian on 2 days on every month.

[atorin]

Whats the occasion for that? Why 2 times a month?

[kangaru]

For religious purpose. I am a buddhist on every 1st and 15th of the lunar calendar I will be on vegetarian diet.

[atorin]

Oh, I never realized buddhists do that.

[kangaru]

It is practised in asia more

[tiredofwaiting]

Omnivore I am like meat too much to be vegetarian or vegan

[tiredofwaiting]

*I like*

[MaskofInsanity]

Omnivore. Meat is delicious.

[justbanANNAz]

omnivore:P with limitations for weight reasons lol

[Kiran04]

Omni-motherf*cking-vore

[Anonymous]

Omnivore but I prefer vegetables over meat.

[tiredofwaiting]

I am on the omnivore diet as well.

[Anonymous]

I'm an omnivore. I eat what ever looks tasty.

[wallflowervulpine]

Pesitarian

[Anonymous]

Omnivore. It's what I was born to be.

[Anonymous]

vegetarian.

[Anonymous]

Vegan