Gay Marriage, My Thoughts And Opinions

[lemonlimetime]

It's obvious gay marriage is sturring up controversy all over America now that they legalized it. Many people are cheering in the streets now that it is legal, while others are booking planes to Canada (little do they know it's legal there, too). Well I decided to make this myTake to express my opinion on the subject.

I'm going to get this out of the way- I am not a lesbian. However, I find nothing wrong with a person being gay or a lesbian. It just means they have a different opinion than you, which is okay!

Now, the main reason gay marriage is opposed in some views is because of religion. Yes, according to Christianity being gay is a sin. Yes, I am Christian, however I do not oppose gay marriage. I'm not going to tell someone who they should and shouldn't love. It's their life, it's their opinion, it's their religion, not mine. Not everyone is going to be a Christian, not everyone is going to agree with me, not everyone is going to be straight. (I can feel the negative energy from all the haters in the comments already). Just because being gay is a sin doesn't mean that we have to force everyone, even the non-Christians to opt out on gay marriage. It's basically the same deal as not being able to eat chocolate simply because your friend is allergic, or doesn't like chocolate. Yes, our country was founded on Christianity, but take a look around and you'll see that there's many other religions besides Christianity in the U.S. now. It's not fair to make everyone follow the rules of one religion, because basically then it's no longer a free country.

To my next point- if you are straight and against gay marriage it doesn't really matter! How does it even effect you? Just because they legalized gay marriage doesn't mean they made straight marriage illegal. And, honestly what's going to change in your life? You really shouldn't be rude to other people just because they have a different sexuality.

And another thing- why is gay being associated as bad? For example, someone does something idiotic- "That's so gay!" Why? And people constantly being stereotyped as gay even when they're not. They assume all lesbians have short, boyish hair and are cross dressers. They assume all gay men have high pitched voices and are "fashionistas". But this isn't even true, really. Sure, some of them may be like this, but just because someone is gay doesn't mean they are an exact stereotype. And just because someone has similarities to these stereotypes doesn't mean that they are gay, so you shouldn't assume anything before knowing for sure.

Anyways, this was a pretty short myTake, but those were just my thoughts on gay marriage. Whether you agree or not it makes no difference to me, I just want all the gay people out there to know that they deserve to have a proper marriage just like any of us.

[TheButterfly]

A lot of people in this country dont understand what the seperation of church and state TRULY means. It means get your religious views out of the government. The country isn't going to hell if we let gay people marry, it means our country is evolving and becoming more accepting. People are people. What they do (aka murder or give to charity) determines what kind of a person they are. Not their sexuality, and as far as im concerned, the only thing that matters is if you're a good person or not, not you love. Im fully accepting of gay marriage and it is great to see this country become more accepting.

[PT1911]

Separation of church and state was started by the Church to keep the monarchies out of church affairs, and for some tax benefits.

So really it means keep your government out of religion.

[TheButterfly]

That may have been the origional intention but most republicans pull out a bible to win votes. And if keeping goverment out of religion is the case, why is evolution not taught? Why is abstinence still taught? Religion slips into the government where it has no place.

[Mesonfielde]

Abstinence makes sense as long as you also teach the alternatives. Medical science is evolving, and so do contraception methods.

[TheButterfly]

I've been in abstinence class and "when you go to Macys you dont want the purse thats just thrown on display, you want the untouched, clean, and beautiful purse thats been behind that class." And "having sex out of marriage is like riding a scooter but if you wait until marriage its like a mercedes, you want to have mercedes sex" and "if you have sex your brain releases oxytocin, which means you will be more attached to the guy and he won't be attached to you nearly as much and you'll end up breaking up" and "when you have sex with someone, if they had 5 previous partners and you had 6 previous partners, you're actually having sex with 13 people" she called it the sex tree by the way and "if you have sex before marriage there is a huge chance you will get HPV which causes cancer and you can die". She made girls feel like they were whores if we even experimented or that we were useless and unlovable. Abstinence schooling is detrimental not helpful. It shouldn't be taught at all. I never learned

[TheButterfly]

How to use a condom or how sex even worked in that class, it was only taught on a religious basis and some people who were in the clasd with me ended up pregnant

[Buttercupbrownie]

Well people in this country will go to hell... not just for this being more accepting. But walking in sin and denying Jesus Christ

[TheButterfly]

Have fun with that

[Damiandash312]

Gay marriage actually does effect me.
I've seen a lot a gay dudes, you know what most of them have in common?
They're in better shape then me and are waaaay more hygienic...
So yeah, them being gay is awesome. That's 2. TWO dudes straight off the market. And less competition for me
Thanks gay community!

[lemonlimetime]

Haha there's a positive way to look at it 😂

[RationalMale]

From an amoral standpoint, being gay is "bad" in the same way that being a chain smoking drunk driver is bad.

Men who have sex with men, in the USA, are 2% of the population, yet have 75% of primary and secondary Syphilis, 57% of HIV infections, and 17 times higher rate of anal cancer. That 2% also has 10% of Hepatitis A infections, and 20% of Hepatitis B infections.

https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/viral-hepatitis.htm
www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

We do what we can to discourage heavy drinkers, give people fines for not wearing seatbelts, do everything possible to shun smokers, yet we in the USA turn around and basically give gays faux-celebrity status. Why? Why do we embrace such a destructive, unhealthy lifestyle as good?

As far as the experts are concerned, no, people are not born gay. Going, "Well, why would people choose to be gay when it makes people hate them?" Isn't a valid argument, as pedophiles and rapists could say the same, along with incestuous couples.

www.theglobaldispatch.com/.../
https://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97940/

And how does gay marriage being legal affect straights? Simple. Homosexual marriage will have a legal impact on straight marriage law, and to a lesser extent, traditions. What do you think will happen when gays start going to divorce court, and judges have to take in account things like how half or more of "married" gays are in open marriages? And that's one simple example.

[Master-Fuuk]

Men like to fuck men? I could care less.

The problem is the unrealistic mindset of people about gays, that everyone today thinks all gays are discriminated peaceful abused and not abusive good human beings who want to live and let live and bullshits like that.

No. a group of them are more normal just like many straights are like that but from what I myself saw and experienced many gays and lesbians aren't even psychologically 100% stable. I've met annoying abusive lesbians who picked on my cousin and went to the point of abusing her. one obnoxious unstable one who wanted to abuse me.

Literally every lesbian that i myself experienced being with and tried to make friends with them made a bad memory for me. They tend to need permanent attention are overly sensitive and demanding and easily change behavior. And by no fucking power on this shitty planet forcing ideas to me I'd call that being psychologically normal.

That's just my experience. I don't care about whatever the fuck they want to do. But many of them aren't portrayed realistically.

I know less about gay boys but one of them was a bipolar boy I know that was again pretty unstable though not abusive. And another one was the most fucked up person in our neighborhood a man that eventually got homeless over some debt and was pretty infamous because of his abusive shitty behavior. He brought boys very younger than himself to his house and was up all night and we could hear him yelling at the boy don't sleep, he forced them to remain up and did shit that made us call the police three times. Our neighborhood is rich and mostly very quiet. He was that shiny shit between us that I'm glad he's fucking gone.

yeah, I don't care about where they want to put their dicks and if they want to lick pussies but I don't buy any of this overly positive shitty image of LGBT community that's being propagated.

[Prof_Don]

The talk about gay marriage is about the ability to have equal rights as citizens, and human beings.

You're acting like LBGTQ people somehow have legal immunity or something! Do u think they get lesser legal punishments?

[skeptic007]

first thing is we have to do is get that theory out the way, that people are born gay cause when that popped up everyone believed it, unfortunately for the gay community it's not true, it's a theory and has already been disproven if I'm correct a few years ago. I can't support gay marriage not cause I hate them but because I believe in GOD, on top of that, all the evidence that leads to life on this earth is done through male and female we are designed to have sex that way it's very obvious, now how you feel doesn't matter, cause a feeling is a feeling not a fact, animals survive by having a male and female come together same for us, THERE'S A REASON EVER GAY PERSON IS ALIVE TODAY, now a side from that there are some gay people who have a lot of hate towards the Christian community they don't want a GOD with rules and standards to live by, they want a GOD that fits there criteria so they can do whatever they want, when they want, however they want, but that's not the case, GOD has rules he wants us to follow and GOD is not gonna change for anyone not even me, now how does this influence me it won't influence me cause I've made my choice, but it will influence the children cause the kids that grow up will be told this,(people are born gay, GOD doesn't exist, dinosaurs are millions of years, etc,,,,) they will be feed lies because parents lack knowledge and wisdom to teach there kids because they don't know either, a lie can spread like a disease starts off small but expands in time,, there's plenty of lies on tv all the time and people believe it cause they don't study

[rosedream]

Yes... I totally agree with you. Although it's not normal, gay marriage should be legal everywhere because it's human right. Everyone can choose the one they want to marry or love. And we don't have to do anything about that. I saw some memes and internet jokes about that.

Guy-guy couple: Who will make us sandwich?
Girl-girl couple: what do we do with all of these sandwiches?
Lol 😂

I just read those jokes just for fun but I think that people don't have the right to say gay marriage is wrong. That's my opinion.

[lemonlimetime]

I agree with you

[Driftr]

You say you're a christian. You acknowledge that gay marriage is a sin. Let me put this into context for you:

Homosexual relations are a sin. Murder is also a sin. Stealing is a sin. I'm pretty sure these are sins in your Bible, am I correct?

I'm also sure that one sin isn't greater than the other; at least, that's what the Christian faith says. That's what makes you all doomed without Jesus right? All of you have sinned at least once, and are therefore barred form heaven without the blood of Jesus, or something like that. Kind of like one bad apple spoils the whole barrel.

Do you oppose murder? Do you oppose stealing? Taking a life, taking someone's hard-earned belongings, do you oppose such sins? How is gay marriage any different in terms of religion?

It's not. So either you need to question your identity as a Christian, choosing to oppose certain sins over others, or you need to realize that all sins anger your God. I don't think a Christian should support or be indifferent to any form of sin; whether or not the action harms someone is not the concern, it's the identity of the action as sin that you should worry about. Think over it.

[PippiL]

What about adultery? Fortification? Working on the Sabbath? Should we be actively lobbying to make those illegal as well?

[lemonlimetime]

Look, to me it's obvious that people are going to have different views in the world. Not everyone is a Christian, so why should I make them follow all the rules of a religion they don't even follow? Murder and stealing isn't just a rule of religion, but a rule in the government. Murder and stealing apply to anyone, no matter religion. I'm sorry, but I just don't see why I should tell other people how to live their lives when I can barely live mine.

[Syturio]

Finnaly someone with some brain!

[JoahZ10nT]

Up vote :) agree with him !!

[Driftr]

@PippiL If you read the Bible, you'd understand that the laws of Moses are defunct due to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. As for your adultery, I find it odd and amusing that you'd list banning unfaithfulness to the partner you swore to as an unreasonable law. Perhaps you haven't been in a serious relationship, in which case, I completely understand your view of cheating as unimportant. I can safely assume that it's generally understood that partners in a relationship shouldn't be cheating on each other. While there may be no law against it, adultery has severe psychological and sometimes rather unpleasant physical effects. Perhaps you should ponder over the gravity of such actions before trying to inoculate adultery and squeeze it into your rigid world view.

[PippiL]

Of course I believe adultery is a horrible sin. I'm a Christian. But why should there be a law against it? Prohibition didn't work out very well, as you recall. You can't enforce your religion.

[LightsOff]

I agree. Know what else is a sin? Divorce. :) So about 50% of the straight people who have so far gotten married, have also gotten a divorce, and thus have also sinned. Some multiple times, which could be taken as a sign that they don't take their sinning seriously or won't ask God for true forgiveness. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Anybody? No? Alright. Thought as much.

I think it's ridiculous that people take some sins more seriously than others, just because it's convenient to them and because it helps them further their hateful agenda. Remember that when you're sipping on your shrimp cocktail, wearing your clothes that are of mixed fabrics, trimming your beard, having period sex, getting your tattoo, cutting your hair at the sides and when you're lying. You're just as bad as all these gay people you hate. :)

[lemonlimetime]

Very good point!

[koko124]

interestingly, women initiate about 80% of divorces, with higher percentags for more educated and wealthy couples

[LightsOff]

@koko124 your point?

[koko124]

Just an interesting fact to ponder.

Also, you're wrong about "50% of straight people". 50% is the total divorce rate, so the number of people who have gotten divorced is actually lower than 50%.

[LightsOff]

Eh, give or take a couple of percentages. The likelihood of people getting a divorce is still pretty high.

[LightsOff]

@koko124

[PlantsAreHumansToo]

It's a no-brainer. Of course gay marriage should be legal. At the same time, part of the argument was that because they were unable to get married, they couldn't gain certain legal rights like visitation in hospitals, spousal privilege, tax benefits, etc, but some of these benefits, especially taxes, depend on the fact that straight spouses are likely to have children. Simply from a biological standpoint, and I don't know the stats, gay and lesbian couples do not produce children. It's certainly not grounds to disallow them from having the right to be married, but it is interesting to think about, and at the same time, children from gay and lesbian parents are shown to be happier and healthier, so really they're doing these children a favor.

... Well that's all that was on my mind...

[ThatGuy98]

If you are a Christian like you claim then you should now that gays marrying is a problem for us as well. Not only does it weaken marriage itself but it also puts a target on other Christians foreheads. If you really are a believer then you should care as much about your neighbor that you should tell them when they do something wrong.
Living out homosexuality is a sin and it will result in hell, and if you support gay marriage while being fully aware of their fate then you are not a real Christian.

[LightsOff]

Weaken marriage? Oh honey, straight people have done this all along anyway without the help of gay people. Just look at the divorce rates, Las Vegas marriages, shows like "Married at first sight", Britney Spears' 55 hour long marriage, etc etc, the list goes on. And honestly, as long as people are following the laws, you have no right to butt into someone else's business and tell them that they're doing something "wrong". :) I'm an atheist, but I'm not going to tell you to become an atheist too, just because I personally think religion is not worth believing in.

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff First off, why does every 20+ girl like to call teenage guys "honey"? Just to remind you, you are only 5 years older than me and I seriously don't know what you want to accomplish by calling me that, and honestly it makes you look weird, but ok...

As for the marriage I did not once state that hetero-sexual marriages always are perfect. Divorces are terrible and there is a lot to be fixed in hetero marriages, but that is a whole other topic. Gay marriages however are just going to continue the trend further and weaken marriage even more. As I've said before there is now nothing that stops people from demanding, incest marriage, animal marriage, object marriage, pedophilia marriage and so on. According to the studies I have done it is also harmful for the child in the marriage, something that gets next to no attention in the media, I wonder why? Anyhow I am not saying that gays can't chose what to do with their life, I'm just saying that they should leave marriage alone.

[LightsOff]

Oh for god's sake, you think they're really going to legalize marriages for everyone and everyTHING now too? No. They won't. Gay people are not animals or objects. They are adult human being capable of consent. If it can't consent (object, animal), then you can't marry it. Simple as that. This goes for children as well. They don't understand the concept of marriage fully, they are being taken advantage of, they can't consent until they are legally an adult. You can't compare gay marriage, which like I said, is marriage between two CONSENTING ADULTS (<- keywords here), to animal marriage, object marriage or marriage between an adult and a child. Don't be ridiculous, and read up a little before making such statements.
And having two gay parents is harmful for the child? Um, I'm pretty sure a lot of gay couples make better parents than a lot of straight couples. You do know that straight couples can still be abusive and such? And you know, single parenthood isn't easy either.

[LightsOff]

No parents are 100% perfect, a lot of parents are FAR from perfect. If gay people aren't allowed to become parents just because it might "harm" the kid in some way, then straight couples should go through some serious interrogations by the government before getting a child of their own. We are talking about a child's best interest here, after all. And why not install cameras in every apartment, just to make sure that these straight people don't harm their kids in any way, shape or form.

[PippiL]

She never said homosexuality wasn't a sin. She never said she supported it. She merely said that it was unconstitutional to deny religious freedom for some in favor of others. That was the point of her take.

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff People laughed as well 50 years ago when someone talked about gay marriage, and I will laugh as well after x amount of years when the pedophile/incest/cross-species-marriage parades are on the front page of every newspaper and Internet page. But I guess you won't be laughing, as you most likely will be supporting the poor discriminated "normal" humans that only want to "love" each other. If you seriously think this will stop here you are not only arrogant, but you also don't know the goal of the extreme liberals.

Now I'm not saying that it's going to happen tomorrow, in 10 years or even in 100 years, but it will happen. Because when you and the pride movement destroyed marriage, there is absolutely NO logical argument to why you can decide who or what can get married. After all, why does a marriage have to be between "two consenting adults"? If the government already changed the very key element of marriage (man and woman), what says they won't change that as well?

[ThatGuy98]

@PippiL She is going for the "live and let live" lifestyle, even tho she knows that gay people are sinning and will end up in hell, she doesn't care about them enough to tell them. That is in my opinion one of the worst things a Christian can do, to ignore the people in need.

[LightsOff]

I have literally not heard of any "extreme liberals" that are trying to make child/animal/object marriages happen. That's complete bullshit. And I just provided you with the logical arguments as to why those marriages will NOT be approved of in the future. Remember my key words? CONSENTING ADULTS. Animals, objects and children don't fit those two very simple and logical criteria, hence those marriages won't be legalized in the future. Stop talking now, you're making a fool out of yourself and you're not even listening to what I'm saying, which is a very important aspect of debating. If you keep covering your ears while shouting "LALALA", I have no interest in this discussion anymore.

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff Did you even read my comment? The whole point I made was that if the state is allowed to change the entire definition of marriage, then why couldn't they change the part you mentioned? What makes you the one that decides that only 2 adults can marry? Of course the majority of gays will just be happy to be able to marry, and they will live their lives happily ever after, but there are extremists and there are people that won't stop here. Gay marriage was only one link in a bigger picture, there are dozens of videos/articles of this on the Internet if you are interested, but I guess you aren't.

[LightsOff]

I'm not the one who decided this, those are the basic legal requirements and I see no reason why anyone would change them just so that some pedophile would be able to marry a child. I'm pretty sure people are more concerned with that's child's rights than that pedophile's want to marriage.
You saying that people will start asking for more kinds of marriages to become legalized, is like being scared of ghosts. You are not afraid of anything real. It won't happen. Liberals (even the "extreme" kind) would not support those types of marriages since they trample on child and animal rights, which are more important. And marrying an object is simply not logical, and I'm pretty sure no normal person would support something like that. Especially since it's against the basic legal criteria.
The articles you've read are probably just written by trolls who are eager to scare naive people such as yourself. There is no bigger picture, gay marriage has nothing to do with animal/object marriage or...

[LightsOff]

pedophilia. You are comparing apples and oranges.

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff I like how smoothly you try to avoid the topic of Incest, even though I've mentioned it several times. Not to talk about marriages between multiple people and so on. And even though I might be comparing apples and oranges, they are still both fruits. Gay marriage will not be the last type of marriage legalized, it is just a matter of time. Also people have already married objects, a woman married the Eiffel tower a couple of years ago for example.

This is however just one of the bad things with gay marriage, things like denying children their natural need of a mother and father (proven) and limiting people's freedom of religion&opinion are also effects of the new law!

[LightsOff]

Meh, incest is not something I feel very strongly about so I decided to leave it out. It's disgusting but they are two consenting adults, shrug.
So just because gay marriage and pedophilic marriage have the *marriage* part in common, you think it's a justified reason to compare them? Might as well say that if straight marriage is allowed, then so should pedophilic marriage be allowed too. See how that literally makes no sense at all?
And just because we have the odd people who have successfully married objects, it doesn't mead there will be a widespread legalization for it.
So are you for or against single parenthood then? If a woman's husband dies, or leaves her, should the government take her child and put it up for adoption so that another straight couple could take care of it?

[ThatGuy98]

Single parenthood is a whole other topic, but of course I don't think that it is wrong. The thing with gay marriage is that 2 people willingly are choosing to adopt a child and raise it, even though that is not good for the child. A french humans rights lawyer, that had lesbian parents (not married thought), said that if gay marriage was legal at the time he was raised he would sue the state for child abuse. He said that growing up without a father was like growing up with a part of himself missing, he said that to this day he still struggles with identity issues! I think you can get the same answer form people who grew up without one of their parents. The difference however is that single parents rarely chose that, it's often the result of the other partner being an ass and leaving or dying or something. Gay people are knowingly CHOOSING to raise a child, when that is none of their business! There are plenty of studies on this topic, that never get in media because of obvious reasons.

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff

[LightsOff]

So just because like one French dude thought it wasn't ideal, no gay people should be allowed to be parents? And what about all the children with gay parents who grow up just fine? And actually quite a lot of single parents choose to be single parents, because they would rather raise the kid on their own than have to deal with the person who's the father/mother, because they consider that person to be an unsuitable parent. Plenty of kids who grow up without a father or mother don't have any issues. And considering that it should be the least of your concern when there are far more abusive things a child can go through (with straight parents too, I might add) I don't see why gay couples should be denied the right to adopt a kid. Straight couples are just as capable of completely destroying a kid.

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff Your argument makes no sense, just because there are harmful heterosexual marriages we should allow gay marriages? The issues of heterosexual families are irrelevant here, as we are discussing gay marriage. Can we agree to stick to the topic of gay marriages here?

Let me explain to you why a child needs a father and a mother. Despite what modern media is trying to make us believe men and women are vastly different. Thanks to all the trans-gender bullshit people believe that men and women are kind of the same thing, and that you easily can change between the two. But that is wrong. A child has a desperate need of a father and a mother, because they learn and affect the child differently. A father reduces behavioral problems in boys and psychological problems in girls. This was proven in a study that was done over 20 years with 22000 children, and I'm sure there is an equivalent for mothers. E. g mothers are by nature more comforting and emotionally available than fathers.

[LightsOff]

No, what I'm trying to say is that it makes no sense to not allow gay couples to adopt just because it *might* hurt the child, when in fact straight parents are capable of hurting their children just as much. How can you allow one but not the other? I mean, we're talking about the possibility of a child being harmed somehow, right? I'm saying that the possibility is just as high with straight parents (actually higher statistically since there are more straight couples than gay couples), but harmful in a different way. Which is why I think it's ridiculous to ban one but allow the other.
Read. whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/.../

[ThatGuy98]

@LightsOff I do not in any way try to defend or cover up the wrongs of some heterosexual marriages. You do however have to remember that it is the individuals fault in a heterosexual marriage, whilst the issue in gay marriage is the entire communion. Also about your link it is very hard to decide what to believe since there are studies that show both ways. I've read countless studies on why gay marriage is harmful for children but also vice versa.

And if you think that we should allow gay marriage because it "might" be as harmful as straight marriage, then it's basically giving up the fight. I think we should strive to make an as perfect world as possible, and allowing bad things just because there are other bad thins is not going to help at all.

[KAZ-2Y5]

i am a christian but we are not that special to have the laws of an entire country revolving around us. i especially love the last sentence/statement in this picture very, very true.
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[lemonlimetime]

Yes, this is very true

[Buttercupbrownie]

I politely disagree... You can't be gay and be a Christian...

[KAZ-2Y5]

Oh sweetheart there is this thing called separation between church and state
The Christian faith is not that special to have all laws of an entire country revolving around it when not every believes in it and yes that's ok

[KAZ-2Y5]

And I am not gay but I will always be an ally for LGBT community

[Alex615]

I have found a discussion stating that the government might create a new law that forces a church to pray for the gay or lesbian couple if they request it. I honestly don't care wether people are lesbian or gay but I just don't want a church or any other religious building to be forced to do anything that does not abide by their religion.

[lemonlimetime]

I understand that.

[Alex615]

Thank you for understanding :) but I honestly have nothing against same gender marriages or relationships.

[Takada]

Until churches in the US start paying taxes, they are to act as the government: non-discriminatory.

[cipher42]

Like the church would have to abide by non-discrimination laws for renting the church out for weddings? Or like ministers will be forced to perform gay weddings? Because the first may well happen, but the second won't. If a church acts as a business (rents out the church for weddings) then of course it has to be non-discriminatory. However, if the church is not making money off it, that won't happen. And no one is going to force churches to perform weddings against their beliefs. Hell, interracial marriage was legalized almost 50 years ago and churches can still refuse to perform those.

[Yc2K15]

I personally think that the concept of marriage has become completely useless anyway, long before gay marriage. I believe that it is a absolute load of shit and I can't stand how stupid humans are. The only thing marriage provides these days is the ability to combine you physical being with anthers via government documents, by that I mean whoever you marry now is responsible for debts, business, bank loans, morgatges etc.
There should be another bill passed which has a different title than marriage. Marriage means nothing. at least the Gay couples are lucky though, based on their gender when they divorce the settlement will be 50-50 haha. This world has too many Idiots in control of Idiotic minds.

[ThisAndThat]

Wrong! Nothing wrong in your opinion but that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it just because that's your opinion. Now you have pedophiles and polygamist coming forward proclaiming they have rights too. Homosexuals didn't think things would stop with them did they? The gays and their sympathizers have opened Pandora's box and I can tell you from a Christian point of view it's sodomy and it's a sin and not only that but the generation that sees these things will not pass way before Christ returns.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11. THOSE WHO WILL FAIL TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD
"And nothing unclean and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it (the holy city, new Jerusalem - J. Q.), but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." (REVELATION 21:27). Paul had given a list of things which, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, he termed "unrighteous" and said that those who practice such things "shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

[RationalLioness]

I agree with everything you said except the expression. Saying "That's so gay" is meant to demean gay people (unless if someone is specifically speaking of something that is considered homosexual). It's just another word for stupid just like gay is another word for happy.

I don't know why some people are so easily offended these days by things like that.

[FakeName123]

Independent from my opinion on the topic there seems to be one misinterpretation of the entire situation which I see again and again.

Marriage is about love. No, it isn't exactly. While the religious marriage was about love, the goverment accepted and supported marriage wasn't. The point of a religious institution being part of the government has always been to secure and stabilise family-building as well as to encourage and support child-bearing (something gays can't exactly do).

Therefor "love-wins" misses the point completely.

[Surfofthenomad]

Oh noooo, families are going to be destroyyeedddd

[FakeName123]

I am glad you managed to reply with such a mature rebuttal. Not to mention you totally disproved my point against gay-marrage - which I didn't make. You also managed to give me factual evidence as well as logical reasoning instead of an emotionally driven response.

I will bow down infront of your intellectual superiority. /sarcasm

Honestly though, you just mocked yourself with such a reply.

[oracle12c]

"I find nothing wrong with a person being gay or a lesbian"

I do, however what I find to be right or wrong doesn't matter for anybody but me. Free people in a free country can and should be able to do what he or she feels like.

The Bible is clear about homosexuality, however, the state is not for Christians but all citizens regardless of faith or sexual orientation.

[9mfeo]

I can hear the #StraightWhiteRage simmering in the background. Wait for it... Wait for it...

[oracle12c]

Legen... wait for it... dary

[lemonlimetime]

Yeah tell me about it

[Master-Fuuk]

don't involve race in everything you butthead.

[9mfeo]

@Master-Fuuk thank you for proving my point.

[9mfeo]

@Master-Fuuk your misplaced vitriol amuses me. Do continue.

[TheNewJanie]

It doesn't matter whether or not gays are legally allowed to be married, their going to be gay anyway. The fact is, allowing something that is so widely considered offensive opens the door for pedophiles and even those who commit bestiality. I get that your against hate, so am I, but even so you have to keep your eyes open to the seriousness of this issue. This isn't just a gay people thing

[Prof_Don]

I politely disagree with you.

Pedophilia and bestiality don't involve all parties participating as consenting adult people.

[Buttercupbrownie]

I agree with you... isn't this the exact reason why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed...

[Starfishlover]

*sigh*... You know what, I am just sick of all the hype about gay marriage. I see it everywhere. Just marry and shut up!

[Nicolás25]

"It just means they have a different opinion than you"

This makes it sound like being gay is an opinion or a choice instead of a sexual orientation.

"Yes our country was founded on Christianity"

No it wasn't

You're a smart kid and pretty young you still have some things to learn so I'll let those few things slide overall I agree with you and I like your open mindedness.

[Mesonfielde]

Yeah, it's weird that people think their beliefs are so important just because it was written down in a book, right? No, beliefs are just data that you think is true. That is all it is, and it should not entitle you to special discriminatory laws.

[Buttercupbrownie]

What happens when Jesus comes back... what will you do then?

[Mesonfielde]

@buttercupbrownie what have you been doing with your life if he doesn't? Anyways, I do obey basic laws so I would think I am in the clear. If they put me in hell (if that could rationally exist even given the nature of the brain and how souls are unlikely to exist) then that is beyond my control so I don't really care.

[Buttercupbrownie]

Obeying basic laws doesn't get you into heaven.
I remember some one once said "if I'm wrong I wasted my life, if I'm right you wasted your whole eternity" referring to being a christian.

[Mesonfielde]

@Buttercupbrownie yeah yeah Pascal's wager, I'll stick to the fact that if God punishes those that make their own choices by torturing them eternally, then he is a terrible person, and I would not obey him either way.

[Buttercupbrownie]

God is not terrible we are the terrible ones. He sent his only son to dies for us so we wouldn't have to face that fate. God loves you so much that's why he gives you a choice. Your own actions cause your consequence. There are consequences for everything you do whether good or bad
If you break a law now like speeding or murder you will get a punishment. The same with God