The Differences Between Homophobic and Just Not Supporting Gay Marriage

[Anonymous]

There is a HUGE difference between someone who doesn't support gay marriage, and someone who is actually homophobic.

1. A homophobic person HATES gay people.

You can hate what someone is doing without actually hating them.

2. A homophobic can also FEAR homosexuals.

There's a reason it's a phobia. Some people actually fear homosexuals.

3. A homophobic could never have a peaceful conversation with someone who is a part of the LGBT group.

If you're homophobic, you're probably going to insult or hate on homosexuals, and probably wouldn't be able peacefully talk to them as equals. Someone who just doesn't support can.

4. A homophobic wouldn't be able to have a peaceful debate

A homophobic wouldn't ever be able to have a peaceful and respectful debate about this subject. Someone who just doesn't support would.

People who don't support gay marriage get as much hate as homosexuals, and I guess we could argue that it's not a choice because of all the hate we get. But, we don't hate homosexuals, we just don't agree with what they're doing. So next time you meet someone who says they don't support gay marriage, please don't call them a homophobe unless they are actually acting like one.

[Fathoms77]

Thanks for writing this. I'm getting really sick of the self-proclaimed lovers of freedom of speech essentially telling everyone what we can and can't say, and what we can and can't think.

Frankly, I don't care about gay marriage one way or the other. But someone is absolutely allowed to oppose it, and it doesn't automatically make them "gay haters." The amount of hate THEY get for thinking this way FAR exceeds that of actually being gay, that's for sure.

The current regime hasn't the slightest clue what the word "equal" means.

[SovereignessofVamps]

But... why oppose it, if you don't dislike gays? I guess people see it as a religious imposition, but gay people can be religious too ofc.

[Fathoms77]

@SovereignessofVamps You don't have to love everything someone does. Doesn't mean you hate them or want them dead.

It's perfectly plausible that someone could have no issue with another's sexual preference, but would have a very large issue with gay marriage. And there's nothing wrong with that, either.

[rjroy3]

@SovereignessofVamps

That's kind of like asking if you dislike your sister, because you don't support her cheating on her boyfriend. Well no. You love your family, but you fundamentally disagree with what they are doing. It's not a personal afront to them.

[SovereignessofVamps]

I think everyone should have the same rights.

[rjroy3]

@SovereignessofVamps

They do. Gay people just don't want to marry the opposite gender, which is their right

[SovereignessofVamps]

@rjroy3 Legal rights.

[rjroy3]

@Toriiiii

It's an analogy to express a concept. Not a literal comparison. I know you're young, but you are smarter than that (I hope)

[mermaidrocketship]

Exactly. I'm a Christian who doesn't support gay marriage, but I have watched shows/movies with gay characters and associated with gay people (I'm pretty sure I have a friend who's gay but I'm pretty bad at noticing that sort of thing). Someone who's homophobic will behave in a manner that's absolutely shocking and is the type to harass gay couples and the like. Most people are just going to let bygones be bygones.

[Theodorable]

I think it's no one's business what two consenting adults do in their own home. I also think there should be NO laws or policy against public display of emotions or laws prejudicing anyone. I think everyone in America should have equal protections under law.

I also thing society is mildly reckless when they promote homosexuality as a preferable, enlightened, fashionable, life style. -- I don't see any evidence that being homosexual is a healthier or happier way to live. They DO however per capita make more money and they tend to be better educated, but homosexuals also tend to have many negative and high risk behaviors attached to their community.

In a desire to support, promote and be inclusive, our society has become homo-retarded. I don't believe in morals, generally speaking, but I do believe in manners, honesty, and realistic analysis, but the public debate is muted by people who abruptly simplify things and accuse the other side of being bigots when they ask questions or present evidence. My take.

[Library]

Excuse me, but there is no difference! A person who isn't homophobic doesn't go against same-sex marriage. Having freedom of speech is one thing but it doesn't give you the right to try to take away another person's freedom and tell gays that they shouldn't get married. Same sex couples are not any less legitimate than opposite sex couples... You are basically viewing/treating them as second class citizens when you say things like "they shouldn't be allowed to marry." I don't care you can go ahead and stick up for yourself all you want but it doesn't change the truth about who you are as a person...

[Library]

Oh, by the way gay people don't try to tell straight people they shouldn't get married and if they did how would it make you feel? No one is forcing you to have a gay marriage. You don't agree with gay marriage then you don't get one!

[SovereignessofVamps]

I love this.

[Toriiiii]

Exactly!

[AdamsModernMan]

I don't agree with incestual marriage either. Should we follow that same logic, let them get married to their family and we don't if we choose not to? Why limit their rights?

[askfeee]

your words: “ People who don't support gay marriage get as much hate as homosexuals, and I guess we could argue that it's not a choice because of all the hate we get. But, we don't hate homosexuals, we just don't agree with what they're doing. So next time you meet someone who says they don't support gay marriage, please don't call them a homophobe unless they are actually acting like one” I don’t think you’ve understood the DEEPER meaning of homophobia or an homophobic person, the definition of homophobia Is “ Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender” So, in other words Someone that is Homophobic doesn’t necessarily dislike the person that is a HOMOSEXUAL they “just dont agree with what they’re doing” like what you stated. Here’s a better an example, “A homophobic person that doesn’t support gay people won’t support gay marriage, similar to a person that doesn’t support gay marriage won’t support gay people” Your being HOMOPHOBIC but with EXTRA STEPS and here’s how I know because you aren’t signaling out MARRIAGE as a whole, you believe people should get married– JUST NOT GAY PEOPLE. you said it yourself you don’t “AGREE” with what they’re doing, kind of like what a homophobic person does

[RationalMale]

A phobia is an irrational or dislike.

According to the CDC, men who have sex with men are 2% of the population in the USA... and have 17 times higher rate of anal cancer, and account for 75% of primary and secondary syphilis cases. They also have 57% of HIV infections.

https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Meaning it is completely rational to dislike homosexuality... not a phobia.

[Infynis]

1. This only applies to homosexual men. Surprisingly, women can be gay too.
2. Disliking someone because they have an illness is not at all rational.

[RationalMale]

@Infynis
1. Surprisingly almost half of lesbian women suffer report having suffered domestic violence from a lesbian lover, and 3/4's of bisexual women report having suffered domestic violence, showing that being bi or lesbian for a woman is closely linked to domestic violence. Ironically 40% of gay men and 47% of bi men reported domestic violence. www.theatlantic.com/.../
2. Disliking people for living an extremely unhealthy lifestyle is perfectly rational. Same as disliking someone because they are an alcoholic. It's a lifestyle that legal and extremely destructive.

[SovereignessofVamps]

2%? No way at least 20%

[RationalMale]

@SovereignessofVamps Do you have any source showing gay or bisexual men are 20% of the population? According to Gallup 3.8% of Americans total identify as gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. www.gallup.com/.../...ate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx
NHIS in 2013 polled 34k American adults and 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, .7% as bisexual, and 1.1% as "other."
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

Sooo yeah, the gay/bi/trans population is solidly less than 5% of Americans.

[SovereignessofVamps]

No sources... but that doesn't mean people were honest, especially not the older ones.

[RationalMale]

@SovereignessofVamps Sooo your opinion vs the CDC and Gallup and the NHIS. While the perception is certainly there that a huge percent of Americans are gay or lesbian, there seems to be no decent source that can back that up.

[SovereignessofVamps]

Just because they don't define as gay doesn't mean much. I've heard lots of straight married guys messed with gay guys. And lots of straight women mess with lesbians. They say sexual attraction dictates your orientation but..

[RationalMale]

@SovereignessofVamps hmm. Yet there's no decent reliable source to show that over 5% or so of americans are gay/bi/lesbian.

[Curmudgeon]

Well said. Ask any fatherless child how s/he felt growing up without a dad. And two lesbians with a turkey baster are still creating by definition a fatherless child. (Besides, I thought the whole point of being gay was not wanting the traditional family thing--so why to recreate a bad imitation of it?)

Do such relationships deserve legal recognition as "domestic partnerships" for the purpose of hospital visits, legal inheritance, etc? Sure. But what we have had, especially with the Supreme Court Judicial coup d'etat, was a dogmatic demand that said relationships were the exact same as marriages, whatever status they do legally merit.

You can call a cat a dog because it also has four legs and a tail, but it's still a cat.

Reality on reality's terms, folks.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

Children raised by single mothers should also be outlawed I guess?

[Curmudgeon]

@MaiNameIsSunshine Well, they certainly should not be *Encouraged*. I remember a former Vice President getting pilloried for this suggestion when a prominent TV show of the time seemed to glorify single motherhood.

Well, guess what? He was right.

[cipher42]

1. How can you support denying a group equal rights and say you don't hate them?
2. The reason it's a phobia is because some old ass theory about homophobia, not because any significant number of people actually fear gay people.
3. Yes, they could? Being prejudiced against a group doesn't make you incapable of any self control.
4. This is the same reason as 3?

Conclusion thing:
Getting hate for being hateful is not the same fucking thing as getting hate for being alive.

As I said in 1, not supporting gay marriage IS acting like a homophobe.

[askfeee]

SAY IT LOUDER QUEEN!!!

[AleDeEurope]

Finally someone that gets it. The other day I was having a discussion with one Gagger trying to show him it's not the same thing.
If you're homophobic, you're against gay marriage, but just because you're against gay marriage doesn't mean you're a homophobe.

I support gay marriage, but I know the difference, and I respect people's beliefs, as longs as they're not physically harming others.

[TadCurious]

I only have one minor disagreement with your take. You write that:
1. A homophobic person HATES gay people.
Actually, as you say later, that's not really the definition of "homophobic." Strictly speaking, a phobia about anything (______phobia) is just a fear of that thing. I'm pointing this out because of the way terminology is used by the Left. They take something they are for or against, and then anyone who disagrees with them are labeled as "______phobic." It's a clever trick. But then they don't even stick to what the label actually means. The vast majority of people who don't support so-called "gay marriage" aren't homophobic at all. They're not afraid of homosexuals. They just don't agree with redefining what marriage is.

[Tanuron]

I dont see how trying to deny gay people a simple right that straight people have which dosent even affect you in any shape or form is any valid reason.

Cause hell, if you simply dont "agree" with their way of living, thats still not a reason to deny that right.

For example. Cause I disagree with your line of thought, does that mean I think people should be banned from sharing their opinion?, nope. I think people should have the freedom of speech to voice their opinion, even if I strongly disagree with it. Should be the same for gay marriage. People should be allowed to do so, you can disagree with their way of life all you want, but you shouldn't deny that right just like you shouldn't deny people the right of their freedom of speech.

[Tanuron]

Might as well just say "I dont support freedom of speech" , Its just as stupid honestly.

[Phoenix98]

People will never accept people who think that way sadly because if you don't think like them and think that homosexual marriage is ok then your close minded or a bigot or some nonsense like that.

Funnily enough all the things those people blame us for being they themselves are. What I said above about them not accepting our view can be very clearly seen down below.

For instance I don't and will never support any pro homosexual laws or gay marriage but I do not hate the people. I have nothing agaisnt the people I don't hate them, I just don't like what they practice and won't support it.

[Toriiiii]

Then marry a woman and stay the fuck out other people's love lives

[Phoenix98]

@Toriiiii How about you people stop shoving your ideology down our throats when we very clearly do not want it or to accept it.

Seriously you people piss me off, you gawk and rant about equality, freedom of speech, being progressive except that only matters when it applies to you but no one else, you people are hypocrites and bigots.

Now go away before I block you "kid".

[Toriiiii]

I get it, just because you have religious views against gay marriage and homosexuality in general doesn't make you one of these cunts

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BUT, that doesn't mean you get off the hook in my book ok? In my opinion, anyone who fails to see that LGBT people are PEOPLE just like anyone else and should the same social respect are assholes who need to stop walking around with their noses in the sky like "I'm straight and normal like god intended so fuck all you weirdos" I don't people like that so search your heart and your head and figure it out bro. There's nothing wrong with them.

[myTake Owner]

I never said once in my post that they were weirdos or that I was normal. No, they are normal. I believe that we all do things that are wrong, that's part of being human. I don't think I'm better than them, and I think a straight couple who has sex before marriage is just as guilty. I think that when I do something that isn't right, I'm just as guilty as them.

[Anonymous]

The CDC used to have statistics that said that homosexual men were 5% of the population, and yed were responsible for spreading 75% of the STDs, many of which were incurable and lead to death.

Anal sex is a painful, humiliating act, and it does indeed kill many gay men.

Gay men suffer from depression far, far more often then their straight counterparts. This is NOT because of societal rejection, homosexuality has never been more accepted, this is because of the fact that what they are doing, where they are steering their affections, is WRONG. You cannot do wrong like that and remain happy.

There are many many reasons why I cannot condone homosexuality. I am not afraid of gay men, as I used to be one. Thankfully I got out of the lifestyle before I got sick and died, like the majority of homosexuals do.

But I know it is not right. And by extension, homosexual marriage is also not right. You cannot try and fix something that is so wrong with marriage.

[JustALittlePerson]

What nonsense. If you have no problem with gay people why would you have a problem with them getting married?

The next time I meet someone who says they don't support gay marriage, I won't call them a homophobe, unless they are actually acting like one, I will ask them the single most important question to my mind, the point you're skirting around... WHY?

[JohnDoe3000]

This is what I was thinking as well.

[myTake Owner]

I was not skirting around a question. This my take is about the differences, not WHY you don't support

[JustALittlePerson]

Yes, but my point is that the differences between being homophobic and not supporting gay marriage, if there are any, are not important. Because at the end of the day if in your eyes there is nothing wrong wrong with being gay than what on earth, in your eyes, could you deem to be wrong with gay people having equal rights, such as the right to marry, as everybody else? (do please enlighten me as to the answer of this question). It seems very much a non-argument to me. But, I could be missing something.

[CisScum]

Just because it may not be homophobia it doesn't mean it isn't ignorant or it doesn't mean you aren't close minded.

[AdamsModernMan]

It means they have a different opinion than you. If you can't accept that and be civil, you are closed minded and can only accept your own view.

[CisScum]

@AdamsModernMan opinions can still be ignorant and not right. Just because it's an opinion makes no difference.

[AdamsModernMan]

How do you know your opinion is 100% correct and who are you to tell others to not have an opinion?

[skeptic002]

why should we accept the gay agenda this is like the 5th or 6th time this has happened
nothing new under the sun

[CisScum]

@skeptic002 because there's people with no agenda, people who are gay and happy to be gay but people with "opinions" that make it rough for others to be gay. It never hurts to be accepting people...

[skeptic002]

no I don't have to accept anything anyone says
I have gay friends love them
but guess what there wrong
that simple
and no im not stating an opinion im stating fact
I've studied to much to believe a lie

[AdamsModernMan]

And it can also be tough for those who oppose it to live in a place that they know its acceptable to be gay. Im not saying thats me, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you attack opposing people who are calm and voice their opinion, you are a bigot.

[skeptic002]

@AdamsModernMan okay I'm a bigot I'm not here to get along with everyone I'm here to tell the truth

[AdamsModernMan]

@skeptic002 What makes anything you said the truth?

[skeptic002]

@AdamsModernMan

well let me ask you this what is the truth? I wanna hear this

[AdamsModernMan]

@skeptic002 - Are you asking because you don't want to answer, to just mock my answer or to actually have a discussion about it? You just admitted you're a bigot and its pointless arguing with one.

[skeptic002]

@AdamsModernMan

what is the truth trust me I have answers to most things now whether they like those answers thats up to them

but what is the truth?

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@skeptic002 you want to know the truth, you can't handle the truth... did you know that it was proven by a well known theologian (who was kicked out of the Roman Catholic church for proving this) that Cain and Able were actually homosexual, and that it's not wrong in "God's" eyes.
P. S. - "God" is in quotes because I don't believe such a being exists, but then again, what I believe is not anyone's business buy my own).
P. P. S.: and who said it was right for male and female to marry, who said that way was the truth... the truth is what ever you want it to be... there is no absolute truth.

[skeptic002]

@Idonotgivearatsass

I don't care what anyone says I care what the bible says whether pope or president friend or family
if it doesn't line up with the bible it's gone
it's been proving itself right ever since I started to study it out
so what anyone says or feels I don't care

and okay lets take that logic in full view
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IM GOING TO RAPE THE FEMALES IN YOUR FAMILY
AND MAKE YOU WATCH
THEN AFTERWARDS SLIT THERE THROATS
AND MAKE YOU DRINK THE BLOOD

IT'S NOT WRONG THERE IS NO TRUTH BY YOUR LOGIC

SEE!!! YOU SAY THERE'S NO TRUTH WHEN YOU WANNA GET YOUR WAY AND IT BENEFITS YOU

YOU ARE A LIAR

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@skeptic002 what you just said is a statement, it doesn't become a truth until it actually happens.

[skeptic002]

@Idonotgivearatsass
what you just said is a statement, it doesn't become a truth until it actually happens
(your words not mine)
okay lets take that statement in full view

GENESIS 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them

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like you said doesn't become truth till it happens

you don't study

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@skeptic002 you think that photo is of a real foot print? I'm done, can't stand talking to non-intelligent beings.

[skeptic002]

@Idonotgivearatsass

what about this one
www.talkpundit.com/.../footprint-31.jpg

or this one
www.talkpundit.com/.../footprint-08.jpg

what about this
www.talkpundit.com/.../footprint-09.jpg

and this
www.6000years.org/graphics/arabiangiantman.jpg

These remains were discovered by Saudi oil industry technicians. He or she stood between 15 and 20 feet tall

or maybe this not even 100 years ago
calmcrash.files.wordpress.com/.../...feet-tall.jpg

[skeptic002]

@Idonotgivearatsass

I can do this for hours literally
its fun

[rose004b]

@CisScum No, it just means there are people who have different values from yours. Wouldn't it be ignorant and close-minded not to accept that?

[skeptic002]

I love the truth^_^

[godfatherfan]

WOW ARE YOU WRONG...
sorry, you cannot make any logical or intelligent defense of not allowing anyone that wants to get married, the ability to get married.
People are people, plain and simple.
So either your a homophobe or a religious whack job. either way your dangerous and needs serious psychological help.

[askfeee]

Thank you!

[beautifulangel76]

Thank you. I don't agree with homosexuality but I don't hate or have a phobia of gay people. I have a friend who is gay and many family members that are too and I still love them I just don't like what they do

[rjroy3]

@Jxpxtxr

Lol. That awkward moment when you didn't realize how childish you were acting. To be honest you really didn't refute any of my points. You're too emotionally attached to this subject and your opinion of it that you give yourself a mental highfive, whenever present a "point" when it's really not.

[COCOCHANEL]

thank you for this.
these days people love to label a person homophobic or say that their opinion is wrong just because it's not the same as theirs.

[COCOCHANEL]

these same tolerant people have no sympathy for other abnormal sexual orientations

[askfeee]

you clearly don’t know what a homophobic person is or what homophobia means

[oddwaffle]

Well this guy called John here thinks all marriages are wrong anyways. Jack over there thinks space aliens have infiltrated the human race. Jenny thinks porn is the work of the evil vampires.

You belong to the same basket as those people.

I am not an atheist, I just think religious people read the wrong book. There are much better fantasy books out there.

[mike004]

"im not an atheist" and yet you are hating on religion... then wtf r u lmao

[oddwaffle]

@mike004

Don't know much about religion do we?

[Anonymous]

I agree 100%. For example, I'm an atheist, so religious doctrines mean nothing to me, but I don't support LGBT because it's not natural, I consider is a genetic error and/or hormonal disbalance (which can occur in humans and other animals).

[confusedapplepie]

blue eyes also started as a genetic error but guess what: perfectly normal, nothing wrong with it. its fucking natural to have genetic errors.

[Opinion Owner]

@confusedapplepie Blue eyes are not a problem, they look pretty, but LGBT isn't estetic, you know what I mean... it's a perversion (using non-sexual organs in purpose of "sex") - I hope you know biology, mouth and anus are not sex organs.