Technically, no. Without a marriage license and all the signatures on the proper documents, legally you would not be married. However, that doesn't mean you can't uphold your vows to someone. You don't need to be married to be committed. It just wouldn't be recognized by the courts. The best you could get is common-law.
It can be depending on local laws or statutes as Common Law Marriage; Common-law marriage, also known as non-ceremonial marriage, sui iuris marriage, informal marriage, or marriage by habit and repute, is a legal framework where a couple may be considered married without having formally registered their relation as a civil or religious marriage
But ancient marriages involved contracts too, and therefore legal. Maybe conyugal laws in your country are not ideal, but that's why you choose very carefully who you decide to marry, and it's unavoidable to share your spouse's burdens sooner or later. They may fall sick down the road and spend thousands of dollars in treatments.
Yes marriage requires a vow to eachother before God and witnesses, and proper documents according to the laws of the area you live in must be complete. Anything other than that would not be marriage, but fornication. I understand your concern. The best thing is to talk about things openly and honestly. Know what you are getting into with a reasonably long courtship. Protect yourself with a short engagement.
In Belgium you can marry with full separation of all financial mens: your money and/or debts remain yours, his remain his. No risk except if they commit fraud with your money...
Is say it is. Marriage shouldn’t be something legally binding. It should be about love if such a thing even existed. All the legal bs is just for women to fall back on when they regret getting married and want an easy out with rewards for leaving.
In many states, if you present yourself as married, then you are common law married, and all of the legalities of marriage apply, including divorce, federal tax laws apply to common law couples
when 2 people think to live together for life, out of all odds they can call "marriage" or which is commonly called as "live-in". NO need to have legal binding document.
These document are to show government that "You are together" & no one has right to interfere.
Marriage is sanctified by God when the man and woman commit to each other, totally and without reservation. And what God has joined, let no man put asunder.
For us as Muslims the Nikkah process means they are now married... the paper work n all is for system and rules of country n obv a right thing to do but marriage is done by Nikkah itself
If you're concerned about taking on someone's debt, then don't take on their debt. I don't understand why people assume that marriage has to mean the cookie-cutter definition of what the laws of your state says it means.
@DizzyDesii it does become both your responsibility. At least that was the case with my ex husband. I mean you’re married and now both carry the responsibilities of having a household
Not sure about what's exactly in the Bible. But yeah.. marriage while i want it, it's a scary thing, and not because men are afraid of commitment or something like this..
I would really need to trust that person to marry them.
For Christians, marriage goes beyond the earthly covenant also, as a divine picture of the relationship between Christ and his Bride, the Church. It is a spiritual representation of our relationship with God.
The Bible does not give specific directions about a marriage ceremony, but it does mention weddings in several places. Jesus attended a wedding in John 2. Wedding ceremonies were a well-established tradition in Jewish history and in Bible times.
Scripture is clear about marriage being a holy and divinely established covenant. It is equally clear about our obligation to honor and obey the laws of our earthly governments, which are also divinely established authorities.
For Christians, marriage goes beyond the earthly covenant also, as a divine picture of the relationship between Christ and his Bride, the Church. It is a spiritual representation of our relationship with God.
The Bible does not give specific directions about a marriage ceremony, but it does mention weddings in several places. Jesus attended a wedding in John 2. Wedding ceremonies were a well-established tradition in Jewish history and in Bible times.
Scripture is clear about marriage being a holy and divinely established covenant. It is equally clear about our obligation to honor and obey the laws of our earthly governments, which are also divinely established authorities.
But I will not comply with laws like no fault divorce.
I will not risk my career, business, retirement. House, cars or especially my children on 1 persons , im not happy anymore, even if they cheat I Still pay child support which of course I would. But alimony? No.
In my mind if she leaves me we both start at square one she dosnt my my resources and I don't have her. The only thing I wanted from her would be her.
None of this pay her lifestyle for 20 years business.
Then don’t get married… no one is forcing you too lol this is a conversation about what the Bible says to do, no one is forcing to do it. If you’re a Christian, that’s between you and God.
@Jamie05rhs the asker asked if the bible says that you have to get legally married. According to certain passages in the new testament, it would stand to reason that yes you do. Common law marriages aren't a biblical concept.
Legally, there are common law marriages in every state. Depends on each state, but that's just the legal part. You can have a spiritual ceremony without a legal ceremony.
Check out Romans 13:1-7. There it speaks of obeying the laws of the land. These laws include making sure that your marriage is properly, legally registered.
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Technically, no. Without a marriage license and all the signatures on the proper documents, legally you would not be married. However, that doesn't mean you can't uphold your vows to someone. You don't need to be married to be committed. It just wouldn't be recognized by the courts. The best you could get is common-law.
Oh nah i rather marry then
It can be depending on local laws or statutes as Common Law Marriage;
Common-law marriage, also known as non-ceremonial marriage, sui iuris marriage, informal marriage, or marriage by habit and repute, is a legal framework where a couple may be considered married without having formally registered their relation as a civil or religious marriage
Yea i dont think i want tht either
But ancient marriages involved contracts too, and therefore legal. Maybe conyugal laws in your country are not ideal, but that's why you choose very carefully who you decide to marry, and it's unavoidable to share your spouse's burdens sooner or later. They may fall sick down the road and spend thousands of dollars in treatments.
Yes marriage requires a vow to eachother before God and witnesses, and proper documents according to the laws of the area you live in must be complete. Anything other than that would not be marriage, but fornication. I understand your concern. The best thing is to talk about things openly and honestly. Know what you are getting into with a reasonably long courtship. Protect yourself with a short engagement.
When you say vow before God, fes that require a church?
No just a minister
In Belgium you can marry with full separation of all financial mens: your money and/or debts remain yours, his remain his. No risk except if they commit fraud with your money...
Oh wow let me marry in Belgium
Is say it is. Marriage shouldn’t be something legally binding. It should be about love if such a thing even existed. All the legal bs is just for women to fall back on when they regret getting married and want an easy out with rewards for leaving.
Some men are gold diggers too which is why im getting a prenup
Smart
In many states, if you present yourself as married, then you are common law married, and all of the legalities of marriage apply, including divorce, federal tax laws apply to common law couples
Yea no thanks
Just saying the legal side of it, many people get into it, not realizing that they have to divorce when they separate
when 2 people think to live together for life, out of all odds they can call "marriage" or which is commonly called as "live-in".
NO need to have legal binding document.
These document are to show government that "You are together" & no one has right to interfere.
Ya i dont wanna shack up tho
Marriage is sanctified by God when the man and woman commit to each other, totally and without reservation. And what God has joined, let no man put asunder.
Soooo do we gotta sign the docs orrr
Spiritually you don't need to to be married. If you want all the legal benefits, you need to be legally married
Yea i dont see any legal benefits so spiritual sounds good
Okay. But remember, the weight of the spiritual is eternal. It is far far stronger than any legally binding contract
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If you're concerned about financial aspects of marriage, talk to an attorney. It is probably well worth the cost of a consultation.
I wonder can a prenup save you from taking on their debt
I'm not an attorney, but I suspect that is something that is determined by state law and not by a prenup.
For us as Muslims the Nikkah process means they are now married... the paper work n all is for system and rules of country n obv a right thing to do but marriage is done by Nikkah itself
Oh i see
If you're concerned about taking on someone's debt, then don't take on their debt. I don't understand why people assume that marriage has to mean the cookie-cutter definition of what the laws of your state says it means.
Im saying i thought it automatically becomes both of your responsibility once married.
@DizzyDesii it does become both your responsibility. At least that was the case with my ex husband. I mean you’re married and now both carry the responsibilities of having a household
@DizzyDesii Get a prenup.
Not sure about what's exactly in the Bible.
But yeah.. marriage while i want it, it's a scary thing, and not because men are afraid of commitment or something like this..
I would really need to trust that person to marry them.
I dont have a hard time trusting someone but i have a hard time wondering if they’ll get us into some type of financial burden
never ever rush to sign any kind of paper/document... lol
True
I suppose that is between you, your pastor and God. At least if you are talking about religious marriage.
Yes i am :)
Biblically to my knowledge was strictly a religious affair, not secular and legally binding. The contract of marriage was made to God, not the state.
Sounds good
For Christians, marriage goes beyond the earthly covenant also, as a divine picture of the relationship between Christ and his Bride, the Church. It is a spiritual representation of our relationship with God.
The Bible does not give specific directions about a marriage ceremony, but it does mention weddings in several places. Jesus attended a wedding in John 2. Wedding ceremonies were a well-established tradition in Jewish history and in Bible times.
Scripture is clear about marriage being a holy and divinely established covenant. It is equally clear about our obligation to honor and obey the laws of our earthly governments, which are also divinely established authorities.
Well maybe not a legal marriage but as I am not married currently I am not sure
I see
I see you updated the question. May I ask why you would not take on the last name of your husband if you get married?
Debating but its a lot of extra work. I deal with clients whos stuff is constantly postponed 6 months or more due to dang name changes
Huh good point
Iv said its a covenant not a contract.
In this day an age. No way I'm signing anything. It's me her and the preacher, but no paperwork.
Not when divorce laws are so biased.
Now this sounds ideal. Does it count as “in the eyes of God”?
For Christians, marriage goes beyond the earthly covenant also, as a divine picture of the relationship between Christ and his Bride, the Church. It is a spiritual representation of our relationship with God.
The Bible does not give specific directions about a marriage ceremony, but it does mention weddings in several places. Jesus attended a wedding in John 2. Wedding ceremonies were a well-established tradition in Jewish history and in Bible times.
Scripture is clear about marriage being a holy and divinely established covenant. It is equally clear about our obligation to honor and obey the laws of our earthly governments, which are also divinely established authorities.
@Subarugirl
That may be the case.
But I will not comply with laws like no fault divorce.
I will not risk my career, business, retirement. House, cars or especially my children on 1 persons , im not happy anymore, even if they cheat I Still pay child support which of course I would. But alimony? No.
In my mind if she leaves me we both start at square one she dosnt my my resources and I don't have her. The only thing I wanted from her would be her.
None of this pay her lifestyle for 20 years business.
Then don’t get married… no one is forcing you too lol this is a conversation about what the Bible says to do, no one is forcing to do it. If you’re a Christian, that’s between you and God.
Iv made my choices love, I can live with the consequences of either outcome.
Yeah, that’s what I said… lol if you’re a Christian that’s between you and your god.
@Subarugirl You said yourself that you're not even a Christian. So I don't know what the point is that you're trying to make.
@Jamie05rhs the asker asked if the bible says that you have to get legally married. According to certain passages in the new testament, it would stand to reason that yes you do. Common law marriages aren't a biblical concept.
Legally, there are common law marriages in every state. Depends on each state, but that's just the legal part. You can have a spiritual ceremony without a legal ceremony.
Yea a spiritual one sounds good. I just dont want to be shacking up
Check out Romans 13:1-7. There it speaks of obeying the laws of the land. These laws include making sure that your marriage is properly, legally registered.
Ahhh, thats all i needed to know :)
But is there a law saying you have to get married legally or not
@humpbackjack no i cared more about what the Bible said