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The 80/20 rule says that women are oblivious to 80% of men that past them. Only 20% are visible or noticeable.
Are most men invisible to women?
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Here's the equation-
Women check out- hot men/above average looking men
Men check out- almost all women. Average would do too.
Part of it is attributed to biology.
Yes. I did just generalized it. There sure are individual preferences but let's debarr it all for the same of generalization for now.
Ciao 🦄06 Reply- Asker+1 y
At least you're honest. Yeah the black pill teaches sub 5 normies like me about the brutal nature of dating and selection
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Can we stop with this bullshit though that men are shallow or have unrealistic expectations for women because that's not true at all
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Your askin too much she’s right it is what it is and you ugly… make money pay the hoes to leave and accept your better then them. Or wallow.
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@VanillaSalt Well... They do say money buys a lot of things in life. Wonen included
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They say money don’t buy happiness… nope. Money buys you things that make you happy though so yeah. It can buy me a boat…
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I almost never notice the particulars of other humans, other than the fact that they are occupying a certain space, and have a particular velocity. If someone is super homeless, super huge, or dressed like rainbow on crack, then I'll start to analyze them.
If I am at a dating venue, then yes, I will notice every guy's particular qualities. Outside of that specific venue, I'm not looking at people; I'm looking at my phone, or I'm looking for the thing I plan to purchase.00 Reply
+1 yI think you've found the source of all the dark matter in the universe, most of the universe is made up of invisible women.
On a serious note, I don't think this is a gender issue. It happens with me, I don't remember most people at all regardless of their gender sometimes. Heck I can't even remember the date01 Reply- +1 y
*men
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Most people are more or less invisible to everyone else. When I'm out shopping, I couldn't tell you the face of someone I met two aisles ago unless I made an effort to.
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+1 yNo they aren’t, but we have a right to choose who we go after. Most of that 80% of men don’t take care of themselves, are overweight, etc. I won’t settle for a guy that isn’t in my league and doesn’t keep up with his appearance
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No one said you didn't. But those aren't things a guy can just achieve overnight. If he feels its worth doing to get a girl interested, he'll do it. If not, he won't waste his time
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@asker that’s not how it works. A guy needs to be hot/attractive first and you know that because you exactly stated that the 20% only get noticed by women
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You shouldn't need a woman to get the motivation to take care of yourself. You should be the best version of yourself every minute of every day, which is a goal in itself, and taking care of yourself and your health plays into that.
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@leonharted exactly!
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And not many can themselves into that percentage. Facial structure and other things genetic wise matter. And ill say this if a guy has done everything he can to try and achieve the goal of dating and attracting but still can't. It's not the women's fault. But its not his fault either
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Get*
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@asker most men that take care of themselves have no issues getting women. Going to the gym , maintains your beard, maintaining your hair, wearing stylish / but not over the top clothing, a nice pair of shoes, nice smelling cologne etc.
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Because they're already good looking. Good facial structure jawline symmetry etc. Working out just enhances the other things they have. But a lot of men especially in the 80% have facial flaws and other genetic errors that limlit them. Been learning about the black pill & even though it's brutal it's just part of life
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@asker I disagree with that. Having shit facial structure has to do with someone not working out/ being active. I know a ton of guys from my high school that whipped into shape and now have girlfriends. No one would touch them with a 100 ft pole in high school
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Exceptions dont disprove the rule. I've seen homeless men become millionaires doesn't mean most men that are homeless are going to be millionaires. The black pill has studies and research that talks about facial symmetry and poor jawline. If men have these issues, they're going to have a very very difficult time in the dating world
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@kyleelyn199723, it doesn't really matter anyways. Naturally good looks help with a cold approach to a woman you don't know, but once your foot is in the door, most women pretty much drop looks to a very minimal care. At least, that's been my experience.
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@asker you are just going to argue my point over and over again when it seems like you are just arguing because you can’t come to terms that you don’t want to change yourself to become within the 20%.
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@Leonharted you're 36. Times have changed
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@leonharted I agree to an extent but I think most people go for looks, before they go for personality
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@asker 36 isn’t old. Nice trying to start shit about age because you probably aren’t looking good for your age
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Women aren't worth it. Im focusing on other things in life that have more importance
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@asker if women aren’t worth it, why are you pitching a salty and negative attitude towards them on an anon app?
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Then they've change to the point that I wouldn't WANT to date modern women, and therefore wouldn't be concerned about approaching them or the 80/20 rule they hold, because MY rule would be 00/100.
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a lot of other black pillers feel the same way. It's not worth the effort and there's more to life than dating sex and relationships
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@asker then stop being salty and go live your “better life” happy people that have important things to do don’t perpetuate misery
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Negative is a? subjective opinion. It's an observation
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@asker an observation that you felt the need to post because you have noticed not many women are attracted to you. Attractive men don’t care about this stuff
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That hurts my self esteem. Im going to put a round in my head now. Thanks 💀
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I'm not black pilled. I love my wife more than I love myself. That being said, she's earned that care, and continues to earn it every single day. But if women aren't going to talk to the best version of yourself you can be, then they aren't the type of people who act like they need to bring something to the table.
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@asker sorry I know honesty hurts, but happy people don’t feel hurt with “observations” they make with no personal feeling behind them
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Take advice from @leonaharted. He seems like a wise, positive and genuine guy that has an opposing opinion of yours and he is a male.
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@leonharted *
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You're right women aren't attracted to me. Im a sub 5 normie and of course attractive men aren't going to complain. They're attractive. Why would they? But the black pill at least teaches about the actual brutal reality of the dating life for men like me
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@asker but you have the ability to change your life around and you don’t want to. You aren’t the only one with excuses like these. My overweight female friends always are like “how do you get all the hot guys” “how come I can’t find myself a decent looking guy” well mam no offense, look at yourself
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In my opinion, the black pill is a negative feed loop rather than a realistic one. No self-proclaimed black pilled individual ever seems to be anything other than bitter and pessimistic, which reinforces itself because the subscribers to the ideology come to the conclusion of "Why try?" and then continue to see positive results.
I personally ascribe to Stoicism, and am very, very happy in my life. But hey, you do you, @asker. - Asker+1 y
Im not making escuses. Can't make excuses for something you don't want anymore. Im a sub 5 normie incel black piller. Guys like me have to focus on other things in life since we've been given a bad hand genetic wise
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@Leonharted You're entitled to your opinion on the black pill. To eaches own. Thank you
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@asker you think any woman is attracted to men that have a negative view of himself? I mean look what you just said about yourself. Everything you have been saying is negativity , after negativity. Perpetual negativity. Maybe that black pill mindset isn’t working for you and you just are rolling with it because that’s your literal only excuse to not changing who you current are
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@asker @leonharted literally has your dream life and you aren’t willing to listen to him. 🤷🏻♀️
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It's suppose to help you accept how brutal reality can be. It takes time and a lot of guys don't want to accept it at first because its a tough pill to swallow but eventually you do. And me calling myself a? sub 5 normie doesn't mean something is wrong with me. Im just describing what i am. That's all
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@asker I can’t change your personal view but me and @leonharted seem to both be in happy relationships. I have myself a sexy man that is confident with every aspect of his life.
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Good for you. You both are very lucky. Live your happy life
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Stoicism doesn't deny how brutal life can be. It's just not a reason to be something other than your best. You can control your mind, not outside events or people. Likewise, outside people or events can only control your mind if you let them.
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@Leonharted Im not letting anything control my life. I've accepted it and will move on to other things in life. Music is a passion. Im a metalhead and enjoy riffs and i have started practicing. I will focus on this and make it a hobby. I found something that can help take away pain
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Then why ask the question in the first place?
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@Leonharted I didn't think about it thoroughly. It was a mistake to ask
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@asker no it wasn’t a mistake to ask. You asked because you have emotion toward you not getting women. You don’t need to pretend. It’s okay, but also if you are feeling this way, maybe you should consider taking above advice and seeing what kind of transformation you lead to.
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The fact that you would need to think in order to stop yourself from asking means that you DO want to know, you're just denying yourself. I never think about the 80/20 rule unless someone else brings it up. Ever. Meanwhile, you need to suppress your own thoughts, which doesn't seem particularly healthy.
But, as I said earlier, you do you. Each of us is responsible for our own happiness. You don't seem happy to me, but you would know yourself better than I ever could. - Asker+1 y
I've already said that im focusing on a hobby. That will help me. Learning something and ganing skill on said hobby will be a good thing
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@asker whatever that hobby is, I hope it betters your perspective on life
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I didn't deny that you had a hobby. I didn't even say that you were unhappy. I simply said that you don't seem happy to me, but that you would know better.
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Okay ✌
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@Leonharted Okay
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@kyleelyn199723 I wonder how you’ll feel when your 60 alone no husband and no kids.
This isn’t an insult or a wish I really wonder how women like you will be when your old and unwanted.
I personally look for the things that give me happiness with the least cost and risk. I’m not willing to marry in this day and age because a woman can easily lose interest and leave taking half of my value with her. That’s currently a real problem and it’s going to get worse as more men suffer divorce. So with men against marriage and your standards going up and the quality of men going down… I don’t see a family future for most women. I’m interested in how it will effect not only women but society. I foresee either a great drop in population worldwide within the next 1-200 years and a tremendous increase in the coping people do on their day to day. Drugs, prostitution, gaming, pets… - +1 y
@asker don’t change for women that will get you laid less. You do you. Get a job build yourself. If you want what passes for a woman these days you just get your hustle and the women come naturally. Nothing worth marrying but then again women these days can’t see their not worth what they look for.
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@VanillaSalt “60 and alone “ I’m in a serious relationship at 24 bro. Shut up.
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@VanillaSalt but ironic that a single and most likely alone man is the one to say exactly what you just said, again shut up
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@VanillaSalt Thanks man. I already said though im focusing on things that are more important in life. Hobbies and things that can make me happy. Women are a want, not a need.
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@asker focusing on hobbies yet you are still going on and on to prove yourself
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Because someone responded to me? Can you not see?
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@asker and you are just repeating the same shit over and over again
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And also @VanillaSalt is a perfect example of who I am talking about and I already went over this with him in past debates. His looks aren’t even up to par himself
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Bitch you don't have to keep responding. Quit acting like a hard ass already and move the fuck along
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It’s my comment, so I can do whatever you want. You decided to respond back on a convo that has ended over 6 hours ago
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And i can do whatever i want too and respond to soneone else's comment that didn't include your ass. You wanna keep going though, go right the fuck ahead
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And it’s on my comment , he could’ve written his own separate comment so be mad buddy 😘😘😘
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That's on him. He responded to me and i replied. There are no rules of when a conversation should end Cunt
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If there’s no rules, then stfu. “Cunt”
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A women telling me to shut up? Bitch get back in the kitchen and make your dude a sandwich. That's where you belong
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@kyleenly199723 lmao I wouldn’t be talking about someone’s looks when you trying to look like you showing off as much assets as you can with the duck lips.
Such a bad bitch lol. - +1 y
@VanillaSalt I wouldn’t touch you with a 100 ft pole as a woman that is definitely out of your league.
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@asker ahhh nice you find power telling random women to make you sandwiches on social media. I’m happy that I have a boyfriend to cook for 😘
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@kyleelyn199723 lady I don’t find you even slightly attractive… to me your ugly. Your personalities ugly your duck lips are ugly your face is ugly. If you didn’t have tits you’d have literally nothing. And that’s not me being spiteful I legitimately find you hideous. So again you shouldn’t talk shit about how people look as a basic bitch whose average AT BEST.
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@VanillaSalt dude you are ugly as sin, you look like you don’t shower and you look unkept. Idc what you think about me.
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Dumb ass i didn't say to make them for me lol. Dumb bitch doesn't know how to read. I told you to make your boyfriend some. And after keep your ass in the kitchen and keep your fucking mouth shut
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@asker oh that still made you feel like you have power, huh? Weak minded little buddy
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Hard ass little bitch on the internet can say whatever she wants but acts like a pussy in real life
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@asker how do you know, you don’t know who the hell I am. You can’t even post your feelings without anoning yourself on an already anon website
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You bitches that act like that are all over this site
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@asker how ironic for you to say all that when your whole question was made anon for you to talk all the shit you want
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From this conversation and the way you act, i know enough to know what kind of person you are
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@asker I am actually a very kind person , men like you that throw pity parties and then pretend like you aren’t throwing one and don’t care are annoying and abundant on this site
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I didn't talk shit until you started acting like a bitch
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@asker i started talking shit because your pity party convos are ridiculous. The same ugly men on this site literally pitch the same pity party arguments
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"Im a very kind person" and you're delusional lol. Yeah keep telling yourself that👌.
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@asker you don’t know me in person sweet heart. Men like you are just too abundant on this site. Make incel posts and then don’t stfu about it. Do something about it or stfu
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And that right there says a lot about you. Yet you waste your time responding to the same questions. You just need these kind of questions for an excuse to be a cunt. You're not a nice person. Far from it & againi didn't say anything rude or fucked up until you acted that way
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Her: I’m a kind person…
Also her: ^all this shit lmao.
Look in the background of her pic. That fence and trash can. You can tell what kinda place she lives in. I’m not one to knock someone doing their best but damn girl how do you have so much confidence with so little to show. - +1 y
@asker me inserting my personal opinion doesn’t mean I’m wasting my time. You went out of your way for strangers to throw a pity party because you don’t get women
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@VanillaSalt idc what you think about me. I was at a hair salon. Your appearances need work. You don’t even look like a clean person
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But don't you get tired of these questions? Why respond at all. You just want to bea Cunt and disguise that as an opinion
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@VanillaSalt Lol yeah. There's a lot of women on here that think they're nice but are far from it and delusional
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@asker it’s small majority I answer these questions, but I am entitled to answer anything I want to. Now you are mad because you don’t like my opinion of “you need to maintain your looks to attract women” you simply do
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You're right and i can respond to someone that leaves a comment for me. But if you want to act like a cunt out of nowhere, im entitled to be a dick at that point. You have a shitty personality and will continue to tell yourself you're a nice person
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@asker I’ll be a cunt to you as long as you continue to throw a pity party on my comment. No one gives a fuck about your sexless life
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Yet you responded and let your opinion dumb bitch. And yeah sure you can. You can show what a real cunt you are and start some shit. Again fine by me
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@asker I responded to your incel stance because men like you sit and complain about bullshit instead of trying to be the 20%. It’s exhausting. You complain, complain, complain instead of just saying “hey maybe keeping up with looks does definitely play a part” instead it’s “idc about women anyways” then wtf is this question for? To stir up drama like most incel men like you do on this site?
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You can’t win an argument with a woman dude she’ll argue till she’s blue in the face then if your lucky after 2 hours of arguing with insults take the high road leave the dumb ugly bitch to herself.
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You have a man happily married that gave you valid advice and you are choosing to side with @VanillaSalt that is most likely in the same spot as you
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That dude was nice. Good for him having a girl. The cunt comes in though and starts act like a bitch oh im sorry giving her quote "opinion".
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@VanillaSalt Yeah i know. Its talking to a brick wall at this point lol
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@asker and yet you still felt the need to argue against his valid advice because you live your life of wanting others to feel guilty about you not getting women. Right away you agreed with @VanillaSalt though even though he’s probably single and gets none
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Im doing my own thing. He can leave his opinion and he did. I already said what im doing. And only responded to this conversation because the other guys responded. But im not trying to attract anyone. That shit has sailed. But continue to act like a cunt and tell me that i want to try and attract women still. Please do
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@asker your whole entire post is about you guilt tripping and using a stupid black pill theory to condone your lack of care for yourself when every single guy that gets women it’s clear they take care of their appearance
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@asker and also you spent some time arguing against someone’s opinion that is happily married because you are stubborn and have the mindset of “life isn’t fair” ridiculous
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Im not guilt tripping anyone. I dont care about attracting women. But i wasn't trying to guilt trip here. That's just what you think. And i believe in the black pill but don't expect a lot of people to. It's what i believe in. But again tell me im wrong and say otherwise
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@asker you don’t care about attracting women yet this whole entire post is about you not attracting women. Like I said before, men that actually attract women do not care about the “black pill theory” and that can be confirmed because married man above has the exact opposite thinking you do x
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Life isn't fair. That's true. But i have to ride with the cards I've been given and focus on other things. Let me hear a smart ass rebuttal from you though on this
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@asker you get what you give. You don’t keep up with your appearance, chances of you attracting women are slim. But nice, continue to use the black pill method to deflect the actual truth.
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It’s simply you trying to kid yourself and acting like women are the problem, when in reality you are your own problem to why you don’t attract women
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We're not even talking about this anymore. Why do you keep bringing up looks and appearance? We were talking about you being rude. The looks conversation is done with. I didn't bring it up again
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@asker I’m rude because your stance is annoying and complaining at most. The proof is right here for you. You side with a man that most likely gets no women to begin with over one that is married
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They're not the problem but im not the problem either. It is what it is. But somehow this is going to be a problem and you're still going to bring up looks yada yada. I don't care about that
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@asker I’m bringing up looks because this is literally my entire comment as a whole. Truth hurts. Throw a pity party or change your overall appearance and be happy and confident
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If he gets no women, so what? I don't care. That's not why i sided with him. I sided with him because of your shitty behaviour and personality. Has nothing to do with his dating life
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@asker no you sided with him because he agreed with you personally. That’s what you were looking for. If I’m not providing substance to this convo, you can feel free to stop replying , but again this comes back to being stubborn. Your whole life is based around being stubborn
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Im not hurt by the truth. You keep bringing that up and no where have i continued to bring it up. And i already said im focusing on other things in life. Im not hurt by the truth i accepted but don't care to change or try to change that because other things are more important. This shit will keep going in circles
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@asker your whole argument is just a bunch of circles because you are too stubborn to admit your idea is a load of shit
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Thank you Dr phil. I couldn't possibly side with him because of your shitty personality. Oh no it has to be something else for sure
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@asker no you didn’t want to side with him because he gave you a different perspective that doesn’t fit your stubborn ways
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And you're too stubborn to admit you're a shitty stuck up person
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Just because I’m stuck up to an incel doesn’t mean I’m stuck up all the time. Men like you are the most annoying men to society
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Keep telling thrilled that. I know why i sided with him. You have an amazing personality there 👌
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@asker you sided with him because he literally said what you wanted to hear.
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I sided with him because i agree with him and what he said about you. Im talking to a wall at this point
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No you agree with the fact that he said exactly what you said. You wouldn’t have pitched an argument with me at all if you weren’t looking for different perspectives
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If you were looking for different perspective
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You had a nice married man giving you different perspective nicely and you still argued with him for on going amount of time
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Lol I probably get none… be better off. My friends with benefits was helping with a crisis of her own making. She demands I be shamed and I demanded she shaves me… bitch got a bit too rough and I just got finished explaining to my boss I was late cause she cut my baby carrot lmao!
Don’t hurry but that shit bleeds like a mf until you stop it lol.
Anyway idc what you say about me anymore. I know it’s a new feeling to you but I’m no interested in women like you. Take your top off and I wouldn’t get hard. Because I know you already. I see your trashy personality. I see you vanity. I see your inability to accept criticism. I see how respond just because I’m interested in something that you don’t like.
I could go years without sex and never want to touch you. You are an average looking girl with a shit personality that’s been vomiting their diarrhea for over an hour. Your obviously not a boss bitch judging from where you live. Your not a bad bitch either.. . I just A bitch. - +1 y
I woke up to 50+ notifications, and the overwhelming majority was 2 black pilled individuals telling a woman to get back in the kitchen or similar things, and her not tolerating it.
“You can’t win an argument with a woman dude….” Try providing some facts, logic, reason, and/or evidence if you want to win an argument. Ad hominems and insults do nothing except turn an argument into a shit-slinging contest. - +1 y
@leonharted I started respectful and she stayed on me so shut your mouth if you didn’t read my Original comment you fucking shit stain.
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I read it. Your very first sentence was outright stated that she would be alone and miserable.
Calling me a shit stain won’t change that. It just shows how you are willing to engage in a shit slinging contest by throwing the first turd, proving my point. - +1 y
@VanillaSalt please shut your dirty ass up.
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@VanillaSalt please go shower and leave a married man alone.
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Good damn you still going? I ain’t got time to deal with some hoe and her simp. Have fun y’all.
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@VanillaSalt and yet you are still commenting. Sad that we have to deal with dirty men that don’t shower act salty because they get called out for their saltiness to the world
No we are notice, well the ones who treat them better than ones who treat them like a objects anyway
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I would say most men are invisible to most women. Not all!
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