Are women aware that most men are invisible?

[Anonymous]

And this isn't to make them feel sorry for men. But a lot of women think that a lot of men are the same due to the small minority of top tier men they pay attention to and want. They generalize the bottom 80% of men because of those men

[Anonymous]

The men women want aren't complaining about the ignored "80% of men". Which is a number pulled from a study done on who women choose to message on dating sites. Most of the guys on dating sites are not desirable to most women, that's why they are on dating sites. So it's a DUH moment that most of the men on dating sites are being ignored. Women are not ignoring "80% of men" in real life.

(I wonder what percentage of women are being ignored by being overweight and out of the preferred age range...)

I guess invisible is easier to say than undesirable or unattractive. It's never the "top 20% of men" who point out "80% of men" are being ignored. Those guys don't care. How come the "80%" doesn't confront the "top 20%". They're taking the women, shouldn't you be mad at them too?

Telling women that they pay attention to the guys they find attractive is like telling men that they're only interested in the women they find attractive. Again, DUH.

[Asker]

You can be a fat, overweight average girl and still get attention from men. There's not a female on the planet that isn't invisible. Men and women aren't the same. Men find all kinds of women attractive. The same doesn't work for men. Men must create their value and try and get into the top 20%. Some men can do but most can't. Your average looking man isn't even enough amymore to attract a woman. Men have to compete with other men and the winner gets the woman

[Asker]

And even in real life, its not that far off for how many men are invisible to women

[Opinion Owner]

If a woman is fat, overweight average and receives attention... it is from men who find her attractive or attractive enough for whatever reason. The men hold attraction. You're comparing it to women who hold no attraction to certain men and that is why they are being ignored. The women where men hold no attraction to them will find themselves ignored by those men. No man is going after a woman he holds absolutely no attraction to... but you are expecting women to want men they hold absolutely no attraction to.
Women know that if they want a certain guy yet, he's only dating certain women, they will have to fit into his standards or find someone else. Every one is visible to someone but when they're not the options you want, you don't care to see them.
The "top 20%" of men, from what I've gathered, are either attractive, successful, or attractive and successful. That means, the men left are those who are unattractive and unsuccessful, not "or" because if you had one or the other you'd be in the alleged "top 20%".
I don't get what you're actually after here. Do you want women to fake it with the "80%" or Do you want women to know these alleged numbers and then go about their day continuing to date who they want?

[Asker]

Where did i say that women should accept any man? I never said that. Most women dont want fat fucks. As a man you have to build your value and you have to compete and outperform the other men. Women want winners not losers. However men and women are not the same. Women dont have to do this or build their value. They already have it. Women want the top 20% of men and these are men a lot of women would even share. But the main point of this post is to say that most men are invisible to women unless you're in the top 20%

[Asker]

Thank you for basically admitting it though

[Opinion Owner]

1. And I never said you said that either, I said you are expecting I never said ACCEPT. I really don't care what you do or do not accept. I don't care to argue this either.

2. Dude... I've been admitting it. I said shouldn't you be mad at the "top 20%" for taking all of the women. I guess you missed that. That's why I asked you what do you want women to do with this "80%" number information. I don't believe the numbers. Regardless, whatever percentage you believe, what do you want women to do about the men who are "invisible?"

3. Of course women want winners. That's like saying men want pretty women. Well, yes, yes they do.
4. Women compete with looks all the time.
5. The woman's value lies in her youth and beauty. Most men aren't looking for a financial provider in women.
6. I'll admit it again. IF the "80%" is the percentage of men women hold absolutely no attraction to and the "top20%" of men are the men women hold attraction to then, yes, women only want the percentage of men they are attracted to.

[Asker]

An average girl and even an below average girl can get a lot of attention just as much as a model or very attractive girl. And i never said its a problem. This question was asked to see just how clueless women are about most men being invisible and then complaining when the small percentage of top tier men dont pick them

[Opinion Owner]

Both sexes are doing the same thing, whining about the attractive percentage not choosing the unattractive/undesirable percentage.

"An average girl and even an below average girl can get a lot of attention just as much as a model or very attractive girl."... I can debunk this.
Women know all attention is not the same. Men will give a woman attention for sex, lack of options, an ego boost, or to really be with them. Most guys are not bee lining to average or below average women. These guys are going for the most attractive women first. They get rejected and then they go lower on the totem pole. Attractive women are getting attention from "the 20%" AND the 80% of men. That means average or below average women are NOT getting attention from the "top 20%" of men. If they were they wouldn't be whining about it or as You said so yourself: "complaining when the small percentage of top tier men don't pick them"... debunked.
That proves that the average women and the below average women are not receiving just as much attention as the very attractive girl.

[LazerBean]

Not invisible, just ignored. So I guess you post this question every month, huh? Lmao

[Asker]

But if he raises his value & obtains things women want, he's not ignored anymore meaning he's not invisible anymore

[LazerBean]

Men only get ignored when their personality is appalling. An appalling man might can raise his monetary value, but it will not raise his value as romantic interest. It'll just turn him into a wallet. So no he won't be ignored anymore, but that doesn't mean people will like him anymore than before.

[Asker]

Here we go with personality. Your personality isn't the downfall. a lot of men that would seem to have shitty personalities are attractive to a lot of women. These men turn them on and these are the men women want to fuck. You think their personality really has anything to do with attracting women especially when you're a high value man?

[LazerBean]

So you're saying money is what makes a man valuable?

[Asker]

It's a very important aspect and it definitely helps a lot. Women dont want to fuck a good personality, they want to fuck a man that other women want to fuck. And in not shaming women for this. There's nothing wrong with pursuing high value men

[LazerBean]

So unless men are rich they have no value and no woman wants them?

[Asker]

They have to have other things like good physique and good genetic qualities along with confidence and a job and their own place. But money is part of it

[LazerBean]

How many girlfriends have you had exactly?

[Asker]

"You've never had a girlfriend so how would you know what women are really attracted to?"

[LazerBean]

Actually " since every crackhead can keep a girlfriend, how the fuck are you poorer, uglier, and having worse genetics than the average crackhead?" Lmfao that's fucking pathetic.

[Asker]

Most average crackheads dont even have gfs now lol. What are you smoking

[LazerBean]

Lmao if telling yourself that is what help you not give up on life, then you better keep on

[Asker]

They don't. You only think that because you see a few exceptions and then say oh see every average guy has a girlfriend

[LazerBean]

Maybe if you keep saying it, one day you'll believe yourself.

[Asker]

Take off the female lens. Nevermind you can't because you're not a guy

[Asker]

Let me say it again Exceptions dont disprove the rule. I repeat exceptions dont disprove the rule

[LazerBean]

That's true, too bad for you that we both know they aren't exceptions.

[Asker]

There's millions and millions of dudes on onlyfans subscribing and a majority of them are virgins. That should tell you something

[LazerBean]

1. Provide source
2. Proving that there are millions and millions of men who are nasty perverted losers does not prove whether or not it is because of that that women don't like them, or if it is actually that women don't like them because they are nasty perverted losers.

[Asker]

They don't like them or notice them because these men would be in the bottom 80%. These men are not what women want so they then to porn as their only outlet. Only a small percentage of men get to fuck

[LazerBean]

So I guess that's a no on the source, and no you didn't understand what I said. How predictable.

[Asker]

you really don't believe millions of dudes are using onlyfans that are also virgins because you depend on a source for that? Think about it if these men were getting laid or had a girlfriend, onlyfans wouldn't be a thing. a lot of those men pay for an interaction with women because they don't have any experiences with women so this is their only way

[LazerBean]

LMAO fighting for your life to defend why you're as poor assumption doesn't need a source

[Asker]

This just goes to show that women really have no clue about the male experience. And that's okay. They don't have to but they really have no clue

[LazerBean]

I have no clue for not believing what some internet incel stranger who can't find sources to back up his ludicrous opinions that most men don't share? That's just called not being an idiot.

[Asker]

Incel, misogynist yada yada typical responses. And there's the thing, you don't notice most men so how would you know?

[Asker]

Thank you for proving though once again that women have no clue what the male experience is like

[LazerBean]

Still can't come up with a response that isn't an assumption. How pitiful.

[Asker]

We can argue your beliefs are assumptions no?

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean. No. You be self-delusional but don't try to delude us here. Women first value a man for his physical appearance and second for his utility.

[LazerBean]

If I'm delusional, then I guess so are the majority of men lmfao

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean. Men have far more realistic expectations from a woman and a relationship. Men have to be realistic, we live in the real world, not the easy mode world of women.

[Asker]

True man. Men have to live in reality but women dont have to and that's fine. Because men and women aren't the same

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean. Using the term "incel" implies that the main thing a woman has to offer a man is sex (true of course). But by insulting men who can't get sex you are defining the value of women as being only sex. (Mostly true). Word choices matter.

[LazerBean]

Actually if think about it slightly, it doesn't mean that at all.

[Asker]

Wow lol

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean. Actually it does, denial doesn't strengthen your position.

[LazerBean]

"Using the term "smelly" toward a man implies that the main thing a woman has to offer a man is smelling good (true of course). But by insulting men who don't smell good you are defining the value of women as being only smelling good. (Mostly true). Word choices matter."

Is that how that works? Do you see how ludicrous that sounds or are you intentionally ignorant.

by the way henever y'all can show me a credible source that the US census doesn't knock to the ground that backs up y'all's "80/20" opinion , I'll believe you.

[Asker]

Look up male loneliness and males being invisible on YouTube and then look at the comments

[Asker]

There's plenty of YouTube videoe on this topic

[LazerBean]

Maybe you missed this part in English I, but "YouTube videos" are not a credible source.

[Asker]

Theyre not. But it doesn't mean there's not a lot of men who are invisible. There's thousands of channels on YouTube teaching men how to attract women. There's not that many teaching women how to attract men. Why? Because women dont have to approach or do any work to attract a man. He comes to you

[Asker]

You choose if he gets a date or not

[LazerBean]

Still no source, as predicted.

[Asker]

No source = im wrong. Lots of men are having sex and are in relationships and the reality you're talking about is the right one. Men and women are equal in all opportunities. This must be the case

[LazerBean]

No source = you're wrong and you know it.

[Asker]

Just because there isn't a source doesn't mean it isn't happening. But i get it a source is your last defense

[LazerBean]

Having a source isn't a defense, it's the most basic form of credibility. Which you haven't.

[Asker]

Do you really believe that a lot of men are attractive and getting laid just as much as women?

[LazerBean]

I believe that there are a lot of attracted men and that men are in just as many marriages and otherwise serious relationships as women. As I am not interested in whores since they are ultimately the downfall of the marital deline you supposedly lamet, I do not have statistics on which gender is being more of a whore, nor am I interested in glorifying whordom by lamenting the lack of it. I will leave that sort of thing to whores.

[Asker]

The famous saying goes let's agree to disagree because we both have different views and it won't change

[LazerBean]

Sure.

[chicosuave]

Yup I'm invisible. But it's ok. I'll just live my life sleep with hundreds of prostitutes, party like crazy and eat and sleep a lot

[NathanDavis]

this is weird... I can't see a username for whoever wrote this opinion..

[AndrésC64]

I think you're right. But I think you could just as easily turn it around.

[Asker]

It takes a lot of work. Should you try? Sure. If it doesn't work out, is it always your fault? No

[AndrésC64]

Let me clarify. What I meant was that your question could just as easily have been "Are men aware that most women are invisible?"

[RolandCuthbert]

1. Stop watching interracial porn.

2. Seek psychological counseling.

[Asker]

Dont watch porn. It made me a simp. And i would rather take the red pill then live in a blue pilled lie

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, the only males invisible to women are incels.

That is the fault of the incel.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don’t see any mention of porn in this post. What the fck is your problem? Can’t you read?

Sucks to know I’m dealing with the dumbest piece of sht on the site

[Asker]

As usual incel word overused

[WhiteBoyChill]

I blocked him so I can no longer see the conversation. But feel free to PM me asker guy

[RolandCuthbert]

@WhiteBoyChill I am dumb?

Yet you are here talking about your small dick.

It isn't just that you are the dumbest piece of shit in all of creation. You don't even possess the self-awareness to know just ho dumb you are.

And just so you know. . . whenever an incel posts here, I will simply assume it to be you.

Like you make generalizations based upon race, I will make generalizations based on you.

[RolandCuthbert]

How the word incel be overused, when you guys poison every forum with not being able to get laid.

Men do not complain about being invisible to women. Only incels do that.

[Asker]

Because when its an opinion simps and blue pilled cucks don't like, they call anyone an incel

[RolandCuthbert]

But we don't.

We call you an incel. Because you whine and complain about not getting laid.

Use logic. . .

if you whine about not getting sex, you are an incel.

Stop whining, use your brain, and figure out how to socialize like a normal human being.

[Asker]

Who said its whining? Did i say im entitled and that women need to have sex with me? No. Its just telling women that that have no actual clue how invisible a lot of men are. Yet they complain about being screwed over by the top 20% and then generalise the rest of us. there's a lot of blue pilled men that use that word for any reason now. But that's okay because there's a lot of incels and a lot of simps

[RolandCuthbert]

Yes. That's whining. Most women can only see you if you become a man.

If you want to hold up the wall at a party, take responsibility for your choice. I remember a beautiful Asian lady who coached me on being social. She take me to an event and literally force me to talk to people.

I found her the net and went to her classes. She took special time with me to teach how take control of a room. I needed presentation skills to grow my business.

Her class was called "Telling Your Leadership Stories".

[Asker]

If a women says that she's tired of being catcalled, is that complaining?

[RolandCuthbert]

What does that have to do with your fantasy that women date only 20% of eligible men?

That comes right out of the Incel bible.

[Asker]

Because i want to see if you hold that same energy for women as you do for women when they bring up something involving the female experience

[Asker]

Men*

[RolandCuthbert]

Why would I do that?

You are not the equal or the opposite of a woman.

A man is.

You are an incel. You are not a man.

So what are you even talking about? Men have other complaints.

[Asker]

Bro im asking if you hold the same energy when women complain but i can tell you don't. You're a blue pilled guy that gives women a pass on things but will gladly shit on men

[RolandCuthbert]

Son, I don't consider you to be a man. Or to be in any way representative of what men have to deal with.

I don't care about women liking being catcalled or not. Because the fact is women will have sex with a man who catcalls her before she ever considers having a conversation with an incel. So why would I care about a woman complaining? Most women will tell you they want a nice guy, but then date a dude who treats them like crap.

So what are you even talking about?

[Asker]

Glad im not a blue pilled cuck

[RolandCuthbert]

You think just because you haven't had sex yet you are not a cuck? You guys get aroused by watching interracial porn. How is that not being a cuck?

[Asker]

You assume i watch porn. Good try though.

[RolandCuthbert]

Oh not just any porn!

[Asker]

I watch snuff films. Get it right

[NathanDavis]

100% of the guys who believe that the 80/20% is true... they're all undesirable, not invisible, just not desired at all

[Asker]

Men must create value, women must protect the value they have

[chicosuave]

Yup we are invisible

[NathanDavis]

@chicosuave immature douchebags is what they are...

and everyone can SEE that... which is the opposite of being invisible

[KrakenAttackin]

@NathanDavis. Damn, spoken like a grade-A simp.

If 80% of men are undesirable to women, where will 80% of women find partners? (Actually more than 80% of women as women are a larger % of the population). Women will either have to be single cat lady's, share men with other women, or start to have reasonable standards.

Bro, defending these idiotic standards women have is a fools errand. Do better.

[NathanDavis]

@KrakenAttackin well well well...

it's no other but the little boy from G@G that refused to grow a pair...

as you very well know, you don't count as a man because you are not one

you must be extra lonely and bitter to day if you come to me to get your diaper changed

sorry though, I don't have time for a 40 year old manchild right now, maybe in a couple of hours when work slows down

[KrakenAttackin]

@NathanDavis. You have nothing but insults and you admire and support the behavior which is making modern women miserable. Why do YOU think women have literally never been more miserable in recorded history? Why do YOU think marriage rates are at the lowest in recorded history? Give us your wisdom.

[NathanDavis]

@KrakenAttackin it's hilarious that you think I would ever dedicate any effort or attention of explaining myself to you lmfao...

a little boy with no pair like you has no business in the real world of men, so go ahead and keep sinking in your bitter BS miserable life

[KrakenAttackin]

@NathanDavis. Ok, so you are a female posting as a male. Got it.

[NathanDavis]

@KrakenAttackin from all the incels and the woman hating mitches on this site

you are by far the most ridiculous and pathetic of them all

and so pathetic that after all this time, you still act like a needy whiny boy and keep seeking for my approval and attention

go change your diapers yourself... or tell your mother she can do that while she also changes the sheets at the basement

[KrakenAttackin]

@NathanDavis. Thank you Karen, please use your pink handle from now on.

[NathanDavis]

@KrakenAttackin you are more than welcome... little boy

now go ahead and run around the G@G lands pretending you're any close to being an actual man

[TroyDT]

For pity's sake, get out and meet real people. I'm no male model or Chad or Tyrone, but I meet lots of nice, quality women because I avoid the negativity and stay off lame dating apps.

[Asker]

Then you're not that average or below average as you think you are. You have value and worked your ass off to get to that point

[KrakenAttackin]

Ignored, invisible, unless those men can serve a woman in some way. The core answer to your question is 'yes", and women don't care at all.

[Loveisgirthy]

a lot of men act the same and a lot of women act the same. There's more of each being treated invisibly than we could know I think.

[Anonymous]

No most women have zero idea how good they have it

[Asker]

Shhh dont tell them that 🤐

[slatyb]

Most women are equally invisible to most women.

[Asker]

💀💀💀

[slatyb]

... to most men. LOL.

[Asker]

Bruh 💀

[MCheetah]

No, they are not.

[Philyouup]

what? this is a little weird. are you an incel?

[Asker]

No but im also not a simp

[Anonymous]

No, we can still see you!

[Asker]

You see the comment, not the man