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It's just how women are wired. You're not going to change what women are attracted to with logic, because what they're attracted to isn't based on logic, it's based on emotion. The answer is to level up. Most women will eventually realize that going after the top 20 percent of men is only realistic if they themselves are in the top 20 percent, simply because they are competing against a lot more women going after the same thing. It's basically a numbers game because there aren't enough 20% men for 80% of women. What this often means is that women inevitably become more realistic as they approach their 30s. What this means for you is that the advantage swings in your favor as you level up, because you'll have an increasing amount of women looking for established men, just as they always have. Unlike women, as men get older their value increases, so don't sweat how the game works when you're younger. Embrace the long game, you'll have more option than you'll know what to do with once you're there, and you won't have to settle for women in their 30's unless you truly want to. Level up my friend, it gets so much better I promise.
I really don't think most girls realize this from my perspective as a female anyway.
I've always been very neutral minded and like to see the bigger picture instead of judging all men for the fault of one type.
Because men and women aren't the same. We see and view things differently. But society especially feminism has convinced a lot of people that men and women are the same and there's no difference
I don't know about men being invisible but apparently women live rent free in your head lol. You posted this top 20 percent garbage non stop. You're spamming at this point.
Of course you dont know about men being invisible, you're a woman. doesn't surprise me. Men and women aren't the same. We think differently
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It's mostly men who think that women only notice the "top 20%." Women dont have an agreed-to set of standards by which to rank men - not even approximately. But something most want is a guy who will treat them as a person capable of independent thought and that "all women only notice the top 20%" nonsense is exactly not that..
Let's agree to disagree there
Well, it's not really a matter of "agreement" so much as acknowledgement. The world is a certian way regardless of our opinions or whether we agree on them. Acknowledging the way the world is may not make a person "better," but if there is interest in solving the problems they face rather than just making themselves feel better through blaming others, acknowledging reality is the only way.
This guy @normalice is the king of simps. Everybody, King Simp in his 40s.
You are a simp. But if you own it then i guess there's no shame in that
What's an incel? You just hear that word from liberal media and then throw it around freely. Nobody mentioned anything about the right or left until you brought it up. Simps are guys that just suckers for women and think they can do no wrong and are the victims of men in every way
You are too self righteous
Incels are the product of right wing media trying to turn common male sexual frustrations into votes for tax cuts for the rich by showing them how good it feels to just blame women. They toss the word "simp" out when anyone doesn't agree to automatically blame women, too. Even when they offer a definition (as you have) they make no effort to explain how the situation fits that definition: because, from the start, the whole point was to make yourself fell better, not make sense..
Why does everything have to part of some political party? Not once did i bring anything involving left or right shit. The argument could be made that people just a person an incel when they don't agree with what that said person says. Two sides of the same coin
Be part*
Everything has to be part of some political party because right wingers are well aware that almost no one would vote for them if they were honest about tax cuts for the rich being the only thing they are really after. So they politicize absolutely everything else to create division, anger, and controversy where there otherwise wouldn't be any.
For money.
@normalice your obsession with right wingers is very creepy
You have gone insane.
God help this man.
You should stop believing your sourced
*sources
Dude this conversation has nothing to do with politics or sides. The only reason incels get labled as far right is because the media says that. Both sides are toxic and full of hypocrisy. This is about human behaviour
The reason jncels got labeled far right is because they reliably repeat far right talking points. If it was anything like a random mix then they would not have been labeled far right. But more than that, remember gamergate? That was a psyop. Mike Flynn (you kight know him as "Q") has been pushing an alternate reality game long vefore QAnon and incels are the main target for recruitment to be one of his "digital soldiers".
What makes them far right? As a matter of fact, what do they specifically say that makes then far right?
The open advocation for Christian nationalism, white supremacy, etc is the "causality". But the methods of manipulation and calls for political violence are also pretty highly correlated with far right movements throughout history. The culture wars are popular exclusively because republican policy is not. The vast majority of the hate in division in the US goes away if the rich just abruptly decide to pay their taxes..
a lot of incels dont mention anything about this. They talk about their dating struggles. a lot of incels are black and Hispanic so i guess they advocate for white supremacy as well
There are certianly Hispanic white supremacists. Indeed, the leader of the Proud Boys is hispanic. There's articles about this phenomenon but it is true it is largely rare.
It doesn't have to be common, though. Remember the point is to vote to give the rich more money. As long as at the very least incels are discouraged from voting democrats (who would be the party that backs a trickle down approach to the sexual aggressions of women, if any party does) that's all that's needed.
Building an army is more the icing than the cake. That's what the 3 percenters are named after, in fact- the idea that if only 3 percent of the population resorted to violence, a critical mass of the rest of the population would at least be simpathetic to the point of not standing in the way. This is not even new. The first ninja turtles movie depicted this as part of their backdrop - almost no one came to them trying to get involved in their group of elite ninja criminals. They came for the sex and cigarettes. But once you have priority in their ear it becomes possible to radicalize them over time. The ear of incels gives priority to whoever is telling them it's not their fault and they should blame women. Because that makes them feel better. It doesn't rectify the problem, though - by design because the instant the problem is resolved, the incel stops coming back for their fix.
Why people hate generalizations yet have no problem generalizing incels? Because the words blame and entitlement are always thrown around
It's in the name. Involuntarily celibate. This suggests entitlement to sex that incels are being denied against their will, and the theme of the incel movement is to blame women for that denial. That's not me generalizing- that's the central message to the incel movement. It is generalizing to say all incels agree with it, but if they disagree the leaders who push that message will, at worst, encourage other incels to ignore them.
All that said I don't know what the solution is. And I don't mean "How to stop being an incel" - the name itself is a trick, as it invites anyone who isn't actively having sex with the hottest girl they can imagine to believe they are a victim. It's just odd that the left wing solution seems to be trending towards giving women the freedom to have all the sex they want, then surely even the lowliest incel will find some ass. Whereas the right wing solution seems to be trending towards just making rape legal. And incels seem to have sided with the one that will only continue to let themselves feel like a victim, as every rapist does.
That's not what incel means though. And here we go with poltical parties again 🙄
Stumbled a cross this today. Made me think of this conversation.
jimstewartson.substack.com/.../the-radicalization-process
He has an obsession with right wing people.
I hate poltical parties
Yeah, right wingers are constantly pushing the idea that it is "cool" or "edgy" to hate politics. This is because they know their policies of giving more money to the rich would be unpopular if everyone voted. So, they created the culture wars to give people an excuse to vote republican that has nothing to do with policy and a massive well funded advertising effort to discourage people from voting democrat, for any reason that works. Influences persuading people to think that politics sucks is absolutely one of those funded reasons.
Not a right winger. Both sides are full of their own bullshit. Most of the time neither side can come to agreement on things and its just people arguing and it divides people.
You sound like a nazi
Yeah, the right loves to pump the media with that "both sides" nonsense. But ask yourself how many times you saw someone make a bothsides argument when democrats were accused of trying to take the guns away or being socialists? Then the bothsides people are no where to be found, because the bothsides argument was created by right wingers exclusively to depress democratic voters.
But here anyway: https://youtu.be/wWEBisftHio
You're too far in this poltical party stuff. Both sides are corrupted. At the end of the day politics is evil and is just a tool used to devide people and have eachother blame things on the other. It truly accomplishes nothing
Because there's nothing else to say. You're too far down the rabbit hole in the poltical game. 10 years neither side will have accomplished anything. It will still be the same ordeal
You can tell me the reason for your opinions instead of just stubbornly clinging to them. The problem seems to be that I already said those reasons (i. e. you were told to have them by professional brainwashers) and you can t deny them, but it would also be the same exhausting plunge into unentertaining thought to think about it that a pragmatic awareness of politics would be in the first place, which is why you prefer the entertaining thought that politics are simply "uncoll" or whatever. So, you repeat.
Because no matter what else i tell you its not going to get anywhere. The intenert has made people they're right about everything and can never be wrong. Hell no one can admit when they're wrong. We're stubborn and just continue to argue
You could certianly tell me why you think that, instead of just repeating it. Since you won't even bother to deny it, the only reason I have to assign to why you think that will continue to be "because you were told to." That tendency to give up on conversation because it's hard to explain your own thoughts in flattering terms is precisely the thing that causes people to choose not to take responsibility for politics. This is where a "left is similar to right" argument would actually start to hold water. But I'm not going to tell you how to get there unless you start taking steps towards it on your own.
Yup im giving up. You're too smart and are probably undefeated in comment wars. Congrats man. Pat yourself on the back. That's awesome 👍
Why do you assume this is a competition? This is a huge part of the problem. Too many people think learning is an act of subjugation instead of cooperation, which is what it actually is. Sadly there are teachers who believe this as well. Probably has something to do with being spanked as a child would be my guess.
You have to teach me your ways man. You're very well educated and no one can counter your arguments. How do you do it man? How do you develop those slick skills?
Nah but you're very intelligent man. You must have a really high iq because no one else can hold arguments. That's a skill and you have perfected it
Interesting man
I've never once in my life heard a woman make a complaint anything similar to what you said. Complaints that NO guy pays attention to them, yeah, I've heard those. Complaints that the guys who do approach them are too short or whatever, I've heard those too. But that "the top 20% of men aren't paying attention to them"? No.
Women notice men. They may not be attracted to a lot of them, but they do notice them.
As a woman I can assure you that no adult male is invisible to her. Us women have been taught since birth to be hyper vigilant of our surroundings so that we don't end up in a dangerous situation with a man.
This just proves the point a lot of other men make
What? That men aren’t invisible?
That men and women are different. We dont think or view the world in the same way
Of course we don’t, but just because women don’t view men as objects doesn’t mean that we don’t notice men.
You notice men. But only a small percentage. The rest are invisible
Why are you denying facts about women from an ACTUAL WOMAN?
Did you misunderstand what I wrote? No adult male is invisible to a woman, our safety is dependent on being aware of our surroundings.
You realize that "us women" doesn't apply to all women, everywhere in the world, right? The degree of vigilance and fear that gets taught is subject to many factors, among them environment, location and even level of income.
@loveslongnails I’m pretty sure that the asker isn’t referring to women in Siberia or Sri Lanka…. If he was he’d probably be asking a different question…
He's likely referring to women in his own "cultural" area and environment, but we don't know what that is. Rather fascinating that you choose Sri Lanka as an example of? Is it a place that's so far away from the USA and off the Western map of understanding, or a place where women need to be extra vigilant? Out of 2,055 child abuse cases including 1,953 rape cases in 2020, police failed to secure single conviction!
@loveslongnails If you think that is bad you should look at the statistics for convictions of sexual assult in the united states...
I was talking to the other person lol. He’s denying facts about a woman from an actual women. 😂
@SushiSxnpai I didn't deny her personal assessment in any way. What I SAID is, essentially, that her personal experience isn't necessarily universal. No, I'm not female, but my SO was not brought up that way and she is actually a bit overly oblivious about her surroundings! And yes, I know several women personally who are like my SO, as well as many who are like Ms. Subarugirl.
I have. 6 out of every 1,000 rape cases will result in a conviction in the USA. That's roughly 12 convictions out of 2,000. Obviously, that's horrible, in but Sri Lanka it's still zero convictions out of almost 2,000.
@loveslongnails But your experience isn’t universal either.
Women dont really mean wgst they say a lot of times so how could i take what they say at face value as absolute truth? And they did s graph and found that most women find only about 20% of men attractive. How many men do you notice when walking the steets? Most are invisible
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I notice everyone. Just because I don’t physically talk to someone, doesn’t mean I don’t know that they’re there. Besides, if I don’t notice men then I wouldn’t notice women either.
Of course you do, you're unique right and not part of the ordinary
The whole point of this is that women do notice men. Not that I’m unique. I’m using myself as an example.
Exceptions exceptions exceptions to the general rule. Why do people always use themselves or use rare examples to try and dismantle the general rule
I’m not an exception. Once again, just because someone won’t talk to you, doesn’t mean they don’t notice you. Besides, I’m using myself as an example because you’re generalising women.
You used yourself as exception. Ane there's always a general rule to everything. A woman could play nba against men but in general most women won't. A women can pass ranger school but in general most women won't. There are universal things we do follow
Everyone likes to think they're an exception or unique because we dont want to be like everyone else. We want to stand out and not be considered ordinary. I get it
IM NOT UNIQUE. I’m like most other women, which you refuse to believe.
Then you follow the same rules most women follow then. If not, then you're like we've been talking about, an exception. There is no in between. You're either like everyone else or you're an exception
I’m am like everyone else. I notice people, including men.
That's an exception though lol. In general most women dont notice most men. Only a small portion of men are noticed. But you're saying you notice everyone, making you an exception.
Most women notice everyone. But you don’t know that, you’re not a woman, are you? I am. Take it from an actual woman instead of assuming what you think is true.
80% of men are invisible. They did studies on this. Most women want the top 20% of men (which is fine). There's nothing wrong with that but your bottom 80% are invisible. Women's actions > womens words
You’re speaking like you’re any better. Your experience isn’t universal. And how were those statistics even taken?
Universal when it actuslly applies to everyday life especially in the dating world. And they made a graph and found that women rated most men unattractive or below a 5. While men made a perfect bell curve and found the most attractive women to be average
That doesn’t make men invisible. It just means women have different taste.
She’s not an exception, women are taught to be aware of when men are at round. Just because we don’t talk to them doesn’t mean they are invisible
@SushiSxnpai he’s referring to some poll taken by people who use tinder and has convinced himself that represent the rest of the population
Smh.. It’s not like every woman actually voted in that poll, therefore irrelevant to generalise on the whole female population 😂
@SushiSxnpai like tinder is an accurate representation of the real world 😂
Its not that far from the actual world. Make loneliness, male vurginity rates and male suicide rates are rising. A portion of those men that fall into that category are part of the bottom 80%. But women dont care or want to listen and this just proves my point even further that men and women are not the same. You're looking at things from a women's point of view thus you have no clue what the male view is like. And when men try to tell you it's always "I see so and so with this person all the time" or "I dont see this happening" or "Stop complaining. No one likes a whiner". There's little to no empathy for men in a lot of areas. And that's fine. Men have to understand how the world actually works and they have to know there's two options here. They can learn to adapt to the situation and see if anything changes or just simply not play at all and focus on other things in life. But men should never be bitter or angry towards women. You understand how things work and you learn to navigate. But i guarantee even though you'll think it's bs that most men are invisible. If you want to be noticed as a man, you have to build your value
Male*
And why do you think those rates are rising?
Because a lot of of men dont want their feelings or problems being used against them in the future
“if tinder says so it must be true 🤓”
Can you use something other than "I've seen so and so with this person" or "I see women with these type of guys all the time". I've seen a couple homeless people become millionaires so that means most homeless can become millionaires now
Ever heard of “witnesses” in a court case? They are the ones that provide crucial evidence! 🤯
Whereas you like to assume.
Its not an assumption though. Again male virginity rates are going up, male loneliness is rising and suicide rates for men are rising. And this isn't an assumption. These are facts. But you wouldn't know because again men and women are not the same. I repeat men and women are not the same. We view the world through different lens
Dude… no one wants that…. Literally no one.
All of those things are going up for women too bro
And how do you know it’s because of women? You DO know that not every man problem is because of a woman, right?
@SushiSxnpai You're literally denying facts about men from an actual man.
@Vegasrunner I think you’re confusing facts with opinions.
@Vegasrunner *cough* opinions *cough*
Did i blame it on women? Did i say anywhere that its women's fault? No. Men should never blame how things work on women. It's just the way society and the world actually work
If you really think so, then virginity and suicide rates are irrelevant.
And no there not the same problems women are dealing with. And if there are, ita not in the same numbers as men. Women have their problems they deal with. But the things i listed above are not things they deal with. Men deal with these things. Again men and women are not the same
I’m not saying that they are the same. I’m just saying that neither gender has it worse.
How are they irelevent? Just because i said men shouldn't blame things on women doesn't mean men don't need support. But that there isn't support. And again this just proves my point that women will never understand men nor do they have any empathy for the men's side of things. You don't have to but you show that men and women are different here
Women attempt suicide at a rate 2x that of men...
And men have it worse especially in the west. But that's okay. You have to learn to adapt but there's nothing wrong with having support and being told how things actually work in western society
If it’s not women’s fault, then why are you bringing it into the conversation? Yes, men need support, but it’s irrelevant to the conversation itself.
Men have support... they just refuse to seek it out.
Because a lot of women think they have it hard when they have it a lot easier in western society. They're the favored sex. And another reason i bring ir up is because society has created this bullshit narrative that men and women are equal. We're not. They're viewing the world in different ways
I already told you why men don't seek out help. Its because a lot of mem dont want their emotions or feelings being used against them. It's a risk
That's why the only people they really turn to are part of the manosphere
And i did a quick Google search on who commits suicide more and it said males
It doesn’t bother me who they feel comfortable talking to. Just don’t blame it on women for men not wanting to talk to them.
If they don’t feel comfortable, so be it, though most of the time it’s probably not due to how women treat them.
"It doesn't bother me who they feep comfortable talking to" Good for you. But can you stop using yourself as an exception? And it's not blaming women. Women have high standards and only notice a small percentage of men but that's not women's fault. Thats just the way things actually work. Did i blame women at any point in this response?
Did you miss the part where we both said that the grand majority of women notice most men, we just actively avoid them?
Once again, I’m not an exception. Most women would think the same as I do.
Women notice everyone. Wether they find them attractive or not is up to them. Stop thinking you’re unnoticed, because you aren’t. And high standards to what? All women like different types of men. Preferences can’t be generalised because they are simply opinions.
Also, if you didn’t have a problem with men talking to other men for emotional support rather than women, you wouldn’t have regarded in in the conversation in the first place.
Well then you two are very exceptional. Because there's always a general rule. You try to always dismiss the rule and use exceptions all the time. There's channel called Fresh and fit. I don't agree with them on everything but the women always use themselves as exceptions to everything to try and dismiss the general opinion. We can't go based on exceptions. And for the most part most women prefer guys that are in shape and a good height. There's nothing wrong with that by the way. It's just what most women find attractive and not blaming anyone for how nature works. And if i tell you Jupiter is the biggest planet in the solar system. Is that a fact or just an opinion?
And i never said its a problem. But a lot of women and society wonder why men don't open up more. There's a reason for that
Which is?
Except it’s not the exception… it’s the norm
@Subarugirl No the asker actually provided data to back up his POV. You just dont like the data so you've chosen to discredit. Reading through this your POV is mostly opinion based on your personal experiences.
@SushiSxnpai Some of the askers views is opinion based but no more than yours the difference is he's actually providing data and sources. You just dont like that they go against your opinon so you're attempting to discredit them.
@Vegasrunner I asked for evidence, he provided an option with out any evidence to back it up
@Subarugirl Kind of disingenuous no? Considering that the entire conversation is based on a literal graph of data from ok cupid. Also you seem to have presented several different opinions w/out any evidence so seems a bit hypocritical that people are supposed to take your opinion at face value yet you expect others to prove their opinion to you?
I already told the other woman why. Scroll up to that part
They're proving my point dude. Men and women don't see things the same way at all. A man's lens and a women's lens of the world are different
@Vegasrunner The difference is about those opinions is who is making them.
1. An opinion FROM a woman, about women.
Or
2. An opinion ABOUT women, from a man.
What women say < What women do
@SushiSxnpai I had to re-read this entire conversation twice and I don't see it like that. Looks like your giving your personal opinion and pretending it represents all women. Looks like he's providing data and facts to validate his personal opinion about women in general. This is kind of the point of the fisherman anology. Yes you may understand what u personally like but that doesn't do me any good. For me to be succesful w/ women I need to understand what women like in general. This is exactly why men need to have an abundance mentality because it gives you a broad perspective. For everything u claim you do/like there are 10 women who like something different.
@Vegasrunner Yet none of them are here contradicting what she is saying...
@Subarugirl Looks like they all contradict her opinion but TBH after reading this it sounds like two different conversations. The author is making the claim that when it comes to potential relationship partners most men are invisible to women. You're making the claim that in terms of danger most women have to recognize men out of fear of being attacked. This kind of proves his point if you recognize every man as a potential threat that means you dont recognize them as potential partners which makes them invisible.
@Vegasrunner That is contradictory... somethin that is seen cannot be invisible, if you're noticed, you are noticed... doesn't matter what you're being noticed for.
@Vegasrunner Facts from where, Tinder? 😂
@SushiSxnpai
It originated from a 2015 article written by one incel (ish) guy. He got his data from polling 27 male Tinder users.
No sources. Just 27 disgruntled men. But in a world where critical thinking skills flew away with the dodo birds, 27 angry male opinions snowballed into a viral meme. Like really viral. When I was researching incels, I saw this 80/20 nonsense repeated on Reddit, Incel boards, and 4chan.
A far more credible and extensive study on sexual selection (albeit still somewhat biased) is research from the dating site OkCupid. The OkCupid geniuses surveyed male and female users and asked them to rate single people's attractiveness from 1 (least attractive) to 5 (most attractive).
This is going nowhere. But this does prove that again men and women are different and men and women really do view things through different lens. Women will never understand the male view. And a lot of people argue for the sake of arguing rather than trying to understand
Asker - agreed in my opinion most guys that have attracted a lot of women understand this. I think dialogue like this just provides a larger sample size to validate that POV
@SushiSxnpai Lol, by definition a fact is something that can be proven by independent sources so the origin of it is irrelevan.
There are multiple studies that confirm that. Match, Tinder, and a couple others compiled their data and confirmed it. Except it is often the top 10% that get the most attention.
Same goes for women that either have kids, are past 30, or are fat. They are ignored by most men, except the ones looking for a hook up or something short term to use them.
You need to dump that billshit myth and look at reality for what it is, porn, music, fashion and the news have been lying about dating,, sex and the difference between men and women for decades
Society actually teaches a very pilled mindset about things which is the mindset most people since they were kids follow
u the moment you use expressions like "the top 20%" you automatically erase yourself from most people's radar... because most people are sane, and not obsessed with incel forums concepts that just childish and toxic AF... lol
If you do a search on every post that talks about the "top 20% of men" it's all going to be posts made by guys.
That should tell you that men and women aren't the same. We think differently and are looking at the world through different lens. That saying is important "Men and women are not the same"
@LazerBean That should validate that statement right there. Who would know bettee?
Because you mention that guys make post regarding this topic
@LazerBean I'm not sure were you read that or why you would even ask that. I'm asking you who would know this result better than men?
@LazerBean Who would know better about the amount of attention men receive from women then the men who dont receive or receive said attention?
@LazerBean TY for sharing but it has no relevance to the question. I asked you who would know better?
@LazerBean What relevance does that have to women competing for the top 20% of men?
@LazerBean I'm not sure why you believe my question isn't relevant. It's seems like the natural response to your statement. The fact that you are unable to provide a straight answer indicates that this subject matter may be two complex for you. What does a women's intentionality have to do w/ any part of this question?
Yes men know women better than you do. Men need skill to attract women and that takes patience. With that though knowledge is gained and you know what attracts and turns women on. Men need skill
@LazerBean For starters I didn't ask you a yes or know question so obviously an answer of yes would be irrelevant. That's as if I asked you the color of the sky and you responded yes. It sounds as if your answer is women. The relevance question refers to your resoning, as I'm asking what relevance does the intentiallity of ignoring a man have to do with women understanding why they give their attention to only the top 20% of men?
"I'm asking what relevance does the intentiallity of ignoring a man have to do with women understanding why they give their attention to only the top 20% of men?"
That wasn't your question. Your question was "Who would know better about the amount of attention men receive from women then the men who dont receive or receive said attention?"
The answer was women. Do you understand now?
And those top 20% of men know and understand what attracts women. You just sit around and choose, so how would you really know better yourself. You dont. You dont ask a fish how to catch fish, you ask the fisherman
Do you know what an analogy is?
The fishermen analogy isn't bad. Why would i ask a woman how to attract women when i can ask a man that knows and has attracted women on how to attract women?
@LazerBean Um, because you voluntarily shared the fact that your logic is based on a flawed belief that even you yourself are unable to explain. What does a women's hypothetical decision making have to do w/ women understanding men?
@LazerBean No. Because based on that anology a fisherman realizes that the fish has every incentive to be dishonest. It sounds like you're simply arguing for arguments sake because your points don't make any sense.
Just because *you* can't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Fish analogy is bad because obviously a fish would know what fish like better than a fisherman. By your own line of thinking, men who know what women like would also have incentive to lie to losers who get ignored because it keeps the competition down.
Fish have no clue since they wouldn't how to actually catch fish. Men know how to catch wonen because they've learned from skill and knowledge. Skill is required along with other things. But most women don't approach women and most women aren't trying to date woman so they wouldn't have a first clue how to attract them. You yourself wouldn't know. And remember attracting women as a woman is different from attracting women as a man
A fish part of the same sex wouldn't know how to catch another fish would they
Fish aren't people. The analogy is based around catching a fish as a fishermen. What women say they like versus what actually turns them on are two separate things
It's irelevent
Lets go along with it to see what you're getting at here sweetie. Yes fish know what other fish like
@LazerBean Perhaps that's a lesson you should remind yourself of as it seems as if you're struggling w/ a pretty rudimentary apology. A fish know what it individually wants a Fisherman would know what it takes to accomplish the desires goal of catching the fish. The fisherman's livelihood depends on it the fish's does not.
@Vegasrunner why would I apologize? Your logic is that because someone's livelihood (even though in reality rarely anyone's livelihood depends on it) depends on knowing something about what fish like, they must know more than fish do about what they like. Which is fundamentally incorrect. Do you agree with the original poster saying that only about 20% of men actually know what women want?
@LazerBean should read Rudimentary anology. Apologies for the typo. Ironically reading your statements kind of validates the asker's point. You know what you specifically you like however u can't generalize for all the other fish. (AKA women) a point u would be quick to remind any man who did. However that doesn't help the fisherman (men) at all because in order for him to survive he needs to understand what attracts fish in general ie women. This is why women are typically terrible at giving relationship advice because they only understand one half of the equation whereas men ie the fishermen need to understand what fish want in general in order to survive. It sounds like you're misunderstanding the original post. He's not saying 20% of men know what women want he's highlighting the double standard in the fact that women get upset at how they're treated by the 20% yet ignore the fact that they themselves treat the 80% of man as if they're invisible. As a 20% man I believe that their is truth in that statement. I've have treated plenty women like shit mostly because I understand their will be another one right around the corner so I dont have to tolerate any bad behavio. He's saying you guys dont typically notice the 80% of men that would probably tolerate your bad behavior.
You assume the bottom 80% of men dont know what women like
No. Why would i?
There's no reason to go and vote in a poll
You have to remember that people will be politically correct more around women and give you the answer you want to hear
What is an incel to you? I already know what you're going to say but id like to see your opinion any way. And if men approach and have to learn from the mistakes and learn what actually attracts women, dont you think men actually know better than women?
That's just human nature Most women are also invisible to most men.
There's no telling, really, but I see many men rating women 5 or 6 out of 10 when she is more attractive than about 85% of the women in her age group. The OkCupid study on dating site behavior confirms this -- the most attractive 10% of women are flooded with responses, while others almost as attractive are ignored.
The bottom line is that until about age 60 there are equal numbers of men and women. Since people pair off, the average time to find a partner is the same for men and women. It's not the case that 20% of the men all have three partners while 60% are unable to find one.
The graph above should give you an idea of whos really unattractive and invisible to the opposite sex
There's a dude that posted a graph how men rate vs how women rate men. Guess which gender thought the other was really unattractive/ugly
@slatyb I see why you're confused now. Your first part is just a personal opinion. The person rating the chick may feel she's average you may think she's hotter. You should have dug into the second part a little more. In terms of online dating numbers the bottom 10% of women get more messages responses then all but the top 10% of men. F&F already did this experiment. U can make a profile of a fat toothless ugly women and one of an normal looking man w/ average finances and the woman still received more responses. Then finally your numbers are incorrect. Worldwide women outnumber men 55% 45% more importantly and the part I dont know if you understand is that women dont pair up 1 to 1. The top 20% of men are going to get 80% of all women while the bottom 80% of men are left to fight over the bottom 20% of women. This as actually explains why average girls think their hot and why hot girls think all men are trash. On a personal example. I usually am banging a rotation of 3-5 women at any given time. Now compare that to the average guy on GAG whining about finding 1 girlfriend?
@Vegasrunner I see why you’re confused now. The actual numbers of women and men are given here: statisticstimes.com/.../world-sex-ratio.php Men slightly outnumber women. Those three women you are having sex with are each having sex with two other guys.
Did you see what I did there? I posted a link to real data.
@Vegasrunner not all that many. I don’t cheat and I have never been single for long.
@slatyb Ah I see where your confusion is. Unfortunately your assumptions are coming from a limited mindset. If you had more experience w/ women you would have a better understanding of their actions. Women aren't able to sport fuck like men. They may do it for a short period of time but ultimately they're looking to try to retain the best man they can get. My women are free to have sex w/ who they like, the only caveat is that they are not allowed to simultaneously have sex w/ me. In order to really under women you need more experience w/ them.
@Vegasrunner I'm in a happy marriage with a lovely woman. After divorcing I was rarely single.
@slatyb Yes, I know. That's my point. Your responses seem to be coming from the perspective of a man that doesn't have experience w/ a lot of women. Being locked down to one women prevents you from interacting w/ other women so your POV become limited. Your answers sound like the type of answer that comes from a married man because they typical are just regurgitating what their wife tells them. Part of the reason women love to hear from married man is because it's just a defacto female perspective coming from the mouth of a "man"
@Vegasrunner I make up my mind from data, not some bullshit graph some dude supposedly posted somewhere. Any the numbers are equal, so it's equally difficult for men and women to find a partner.
this brings to mind how a majority of women seem to only look for some top percenrage of ken while not really noticing the majority of men yet complain that that sane top percentage of men give no notice of the majority of women.
Hmm I dunno sorry I'm literally invisible completely to the opposite sex and all I do is work so I don't even socialise anymore to know by other friends prospective? Sad I know... sorry
If you're invisible as a woman, that's your fault
You're waiting for a top tier man and he hasn't shown up. Even though its likely not going to happen
i decide when guys approach me
What?
Well, they aren't in my opinion.
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