- A man trying to find a woman that never wants marriage, doesn't care about it
- A woman trying to find a marriage-minded man. She didn't have to nag. He wants it.
Tough call… as a man that wants marriage but refuses to be married… I believe most men actually want what marriage offers even if not the act itself. That being said women seems to find the men that don’t or pick bad men. Besides this women tend to want the wedding not the marriage. Looking at social media this is what I believe. Then again we can’t exactly choose good partners on dating apps anymore and people are meeting in person so everyone is just a left or right swipe now. No emotion no balance.
That being said a smart man won’t marry. Marriage brings no benefit but tons of risk for men. It’s highly one sided giving all the power to women these days.
Definitely a woman that never wants marriage. The vast majority of men are shaking from fear of dying alone while at the same time forget how to live and are thus willing to put up with a woman's bullshit and get married with the absolute worst of women. Few years later the divorce rape takes place and they sit alone in a tiny dark apartment wondering why their live has been destroyed. Women on the other hand are always doing alpha fucks beta bucks. They want to fuck around in their 20's but once they hit the wall at 30 it's time to find the beta orbiter who was friend zoned all these years and get married. Women want to have things both ways.
I think most men and women want to be eventually married one day. People like to obsess about folks who do not want to marry but in real life, vast majority of young people want to get married , settle down and have a family , grow old together. The only ones who do not want to get married are typically those who have significant assets at risk such as a wife who makes much more money than her husband. Or an extremely high earning woman married to a man whose net worth is wayy less than hers.
I know some women who never want to marry as well as men.
But I think more men don't care for marriage in the West at least but not so much in other parts of the world
The only reason more men are being anti-marriage in the West is because they are tired of the women proposed to grow old with them but then file for divorce for financial gain and get half of their assets. This has created a distrust and now we're all paying the price because of those women.
Sad, and true, but all hope isn't lost. There are many foreigners in America :) lol, and yes they already have permanent residence... or there are also American men, but these are mostly religious or semi religious en that want to get married in the West... believe me :) I know many... atheists are less but also exist, if religion is a dealbreaker for you.
Your points are valid however it seems cold hearted to just say well these men have a good point so instead of changing the laws or trying to prove you won’t do this you’ll look for foreigners… perhaps factory resetting society’s not a bad idea. Let’s go Putin!
@VanillaSalt Are you mad and blind? I explained the type of American men that are still looking for marriage. There is nothing a few good thinking women can do to change the general thinking of men if many women have unfavorable thoughts. And nothing is wrong with marrying someone available and living in your own country, whether it be foreigner or local. America is a country built on foreigners for your information.
The men still bothering to give dating a chance can be smart by discussing these things with women before marriage, of this is their concern.
Ok so let me explain this from my experience… The effort required on my part… The quality of the relationship with what women offer today compared to decades ago… The rate of success being less than 50%… Failure being costly for men (which is biased because men will date a broke woman but many even most women won’t take a broke man)… The way MANY not all but MANY woman think today…
Your way says we’ll he’s too logical so fuck him I’ll date this foreigner instead because I don’t have to prove I’m worth the squeeze with him… in my opinion anyway. Seems cold hearted.
@VanillaSalt You're only reading what you want to read. Foreigners was not the only option I gave and I also explained how the lesser number of women can't bring about the mass change you are looking for. But I thought feminists would improve it for y'all but some of them are man haters.
Sorry I have to focus on specific points or I go off on a tangent lol. I hate feminists. We’re all overall equal these days. You can’t remove bias and bigotry but you can make it hard to thrive by maintaining stigma around it…
Feminists today push women to… fail. The quality of both men and women have fallen but t ok be fair… If the women worth fighting for remain silent and the loud woman remain man hating screeching harpies what reason do I have to be more of a man for some woman? Seems like men only care about themselves and their own happiness absent a wife and family. As for women their just useless regardless the side of the fence their on sadly.
@VanillaSalt that can of seems like the Masculinist view. Thinking too much about the whole world at large does not mean it applies to us personally.
So you mean to say, if you met a good woman who is quiet and not a user, because she never joined "movements"" and tried to make a change in the world, she is useless and you will just not enter a relationship with her? It's a yes or not question,... you understand what I mean anyway. So something to think about. I have no more to say on this thread.
Sayonara.
Lol no I’m saying until I hear her speak up I have no reason to make myself worthy of her… If she don’t step up for me she can’t expect me to step up for her right?
What fool would overlook a good partner with a quality connection? The problem is that connection don’t just appear you gotta build it… and nobody’s going to try and build a connection with someone they thinks beneath them.
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No question a woman that never wants to get married. It's been my experience that even the most angriest jaded women still wants to get married. They just never quite give up. Even if they are unwilling to do what is necessary to have an actual successful relationship. They never give up trying to wish it into existence.
Guy on the other hand I'd say probably about 75% want marriage on 50% are actually willing to do all that is necessary to see that that happens. And probably only 40% actually manage to find that match that makes a successful marriage possible. Because at the end of the day both the man and the woman have to give 100% to achieve that end.
yeah, I see many of us react very badly if a man loves us as his long-term girlfriend but can't see us as his wife after several years of being together or says ''I'm ok with being married but without the husband and wife title nor ring, just like this''. Many even break up with the man afterwards. Any woman would take that as a humiliation (even to her own ego/pride), as a total insult and ultimate rejection. I have yet to see a woman so happy about being his permanent girlfriend; none that I can think of.
The women that are ''ok'' with how things are in their relationship and agree with their man after he says marriage is just a piece of paper are only going along with it for the guy but still hoping he softens up and changes his change; she's not doing it because she feels that way. She doesn't. On her private moments, she likely cries in bed.
Well of course no women should settle for "permanent girlfriend". But in this day it's been my experience that " today's woman" largely doesn't want to get married. Sure they like the idea of it. But most don't want a "permanent guy".
Every women/girl I've ever talked to throughout my life, has always mentioned or heavily implied that they want to be married in the future. I've seriously have not met one women irl who doesn't.
For men, I've met more men who are open about wanting to be married. Very few guys irl have stated that they don't want to be.
Same here. Even some of the very guys that want to protect their own interests eventually soften up and will marry if they trust the woman. They want marriage but just want to be reassured we'll be with them for life and not file for divorce in a short time. The feeling is still there.
But yeah... good luck on the guys trying to find a woman that would sign up to be into hook-ups or be someone's girlfriend forever. I haven't seen a woman get excited over that.
Yep, I personally don't want to get married. There's a very small chance I may do it with the right person, chances are slim though and won't be soon. I've never had to talk about that in a serious context with any woman before but I know it will be an issue most likely. If not that, I also don't want kids = Forever Alone. RIP
Lots of men are suckers and want marriage. Since marriage almost exclusively benefits women, it's a hell of a lot rarer to find a woman (who has never been married) that doesn't want marriage. Hell, I *used* to want to get married! Too bad none of the women I wanted to marry stayed alive or with me.
Its not the right question because all women want marriage with a marriagable man essentially but most men are not ideal. Men like the idea of traditional marriage ie commitment but no men like the idea of modern marriage ie pay half their money if she cheats and leaves.
So its just too vague to answer yes or no.
The percentage of women that never wants marriage is less than 20%. The number of men that wants marriage is greater than 50%. Therefore, since there are considerably more of the latter it is easier to find men that want marriage. However, since you meet people in both categories, it is easy to find men and women in both categories.
It's really hard to find a woman who doesn't want a marriage
Makes it hard for either to be real when defenses are up on both sides.
a woman who doesn't want marriage is probably a lot rarer tbh.
I've never had a problem finding a woman who wants a relationship that could lead to marriage.
Man that wants marriage.
Women are becoming less interested in marriage by the day and it's fucking awesome.
Every woman wants marriage, even if they won't admit it. There are plenty of stupid Simps who will marry almost any girl.
I still haven't heard of a woman being happy about being someone's girlfriend forever even if she says it's ok. No it's really not ok to her and she's just going along with it because her boyfriend told her that they're not getting married but that's not her real feeling.
However, my father isn't a stupid simp. They've been married since 2000. They actually have the traditional marriage, not the modern type men are complaining about.
I think it's harder to find a woman that never wants marriage. That is not what I was looking for and I have never met a woman like that.
yeah I don't know any women in my family nor within my group of friends that doesn't want marriage... I suppose they would be rare breeds.
I think your only option is finding a woman that is older (in her 40's or older), already had children and had a bad marriage and isn't interested in remarrying. There are older women like that.
I would be totally fine if I never got married. I don't need a piece of paper to tell me I love that person and want to spend the rest of my life with them.
But I agree it is harder to find a woman that doesn't want to get married
Finding an Indian man who wants to marry an Indian woman is never hard, especially if the girl is beautiful, educated and a virgin.
I would prefer a woman who doesn't want marriage honestly.
I think they're rare. I suppose if she's an atheist or grew up in a dysfunctional household and hates marriage as a result... that might be your luck in finding one like that.
well im basically an atheist who grew up in a dysfunctional home so we'd fit well
Plenty of men want marriage, so I'd guess finding a woman who never wants marriage is tougher.
Definitely. I've heard of women with an extensive past (of sleeping around with many men) still got married and the man knew her past.
I still haven't heard of a girl being excited and happy about never getting married and wanting to someone's forever girlfriend or booty call.
I'm willing to bet if a man walks into a room full of girls and says ''raise your hands if anyone of you want to just be my girlfriend and never get married nor have a child''... perhaps only 1 or 2 will raise their hands or none.
Ha! Yeah. Also, I'd suspect it's pretty rare for a girl to be the same dude's "forever booty call." Because the whole point of her being a booty call to begin with is that you rotate her out. So she'd really need to be the booty call for a rotating cast of guys.
Yeah--pretty much no one is going to be down with that.
Asker "I've heard of women with an extensive past (of sleeping around with many men) still got married and the man knew her past." These are typically men who most women would not find attractive for a relationship. I know a couple just like this. She slept and still sleeps with everyone and has 5 kids with 4 men. she's quite attractive still. She just married a fat bald ugly dude with no kids 40 years older than her who stays home to play video games all day. Does this sound like a man most women would be into?
Typo he's 30 years older. I need my coffee. Lol
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The point is that even if she gets an unattractive, chubby, balding dude much older than her willing to get married; in the end she still got a man that wants marriage. There are still men out there (even if they're desperate dudes) willling to marry.
Now, bamesjond0069 if you were to go on many different dates and be straight forward and tell the women ''I never want marriage, just a permanent girlfriend, are you ok with that'', how many would sign up for that and be excited and say yesssss? Not many, nor even a 1/4 of those girls that's for sure. Or there isn't another date afterwards.
I dont think so. 1. Most women dont like a man who says marriage at all. That will end dates faster than saying you dont want marriage.
2. Also marriagable men have women by the balls... boobs... whatever. No woman is going to leave a "marriagable" man who won't marry to be married to and ugly lazy boring old guy who will marry.
I haven't looked for over 45 years.. so I am clueless
I think its harder to find a man who wants marriage because now a days guys are BS.
The amount of lovebombers that promise us the moon and the stars as well as players has increased indeed. It has gotten pathetic how those guys will say anything (even lie about wanting marriage and kids) to get sex and make the woman waste her time in a dead-end relationship, stringing her along.
then that woman's fertility years is wasted
So do you think this is mens fault for lying or women’s fault for choosing bad men after bad men?
Besides this sex is a lot like a candy bar. Great makes you want more… even if you know a lots bad for ya… curious question though. What do men benefit from marriage? Women give sex free these days without commitment. Women are less feminine and willing to do things how men want. You could ironically compare women bitching about men not wifing them up to men bitching about women not giving them sex.
Both are at fault, the woman for letting it drag on for too long and believing in just words instead of actions and the man for making false promises.
Na see both leave the men completely at fault and the women as victims. I’m tired of hearing that. I thought you might have something intelligent to add my bad.
So a lovebombing liar is free of guilt and is 100% right? If you choose bad quality people ok you're partly at fault but so is the liar. It takes two to get a dead-end relationship; an abuser and an enabler.
But it took you 3 tries to admit the woman’s fault in choosing wrong and even then insisting on mens guilt… besides these women also sleep around and keep choosing wrong over and over and take back bad partners… I’ve seen women saying stupid stupid shit like using dating apps for nothing but attention and they would never actually pursue men on dating apps… I’ve seen women do the dumbest of shit over and over seen the most ratchet hoes imaginable… yet you insist on mens guilt and have to be forced to accept any responsibility… perhaps your biased…
Regardless I’ve seen many stupid women proving the same dumbass points exist amongst women to the nth degree as men.
It is not a problem, many women and women don't want marriage but like to stay in relationship
I'd say neither are hard to find really.
Because the world have gone mad.
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