Since men have their lowest value in their 20's what age should they wait to get married?

[Vegasrunner]

[BoobMan]

In my opinion, while it's typically the case that a guy's value is low in his 20s, that has very little to do with when he should get married. The important implication of a guy having low value in his 20s is that he should work LIKE A MOFO to increase his value. Also, he should recognize that his opportunity cost for doing work is VERY low since he has no better options.

As to when he should get married, I'd say that has MUCH more to do with when he meets a girl worth marrying and when he feels ready to settle down than what his value is at any point in time. Now it IS true that the higher his value the more likely he'll be to find and attract a girl worth marrying, but that can be pretty random as well. So you should really separate those decisions out.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

You should get married and try to stay married as early as possible.

You are not guaranteed to be in good health all of your life.

You are not guaranteed to even live into your thirties. All sorts of people die of heart attacks and other instant-death events in abnormally young scenarios.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Well... Those who rush marriage are prone to death by suicide, so... I don't think it's smart to do this.

[IslaTheWitch]

To be honest, I don't understand the question.

Is the value of women and men different in their 20s? If yes, why? If yes, does it mean marriages between people in their twenties are worthless because people are at their lowest value at that age?

The idea of adding the label of worth/value to the person makes me sick.

Marriage is not about worth/value but about emotions and commitment. I'm sure I was at my lowest value when I married. But I put a lot of effort into my success and our relationship.

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch Good question and TY for admitting you don't understand.
1. Yes the value of men and women in their 20's is vastly different. Women from 18-24 have their highest SMV as that is when men find them most attractive, meaning they can leverage that for opportunities. Men from 35-50 make the most net income meaning they are they have the resources to make them attractive to women.
2. The fact that it "makes you sick" is irrelevant.
3. What age were you married, w/out providing that info you can't accurately make that statement.

[IslaTheWitch]

I was 23 years old when I married. My husband is 5 years older. I was broken emotionally and financially with two small kids.

To be honest, now, more men are hitting on me, than when I was in my 20s. So I still don't get this value thing.

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch Where are those men now?

[IslaTheWitch]

Around. Why?

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch So you are in a committed relationship w/ all of them?

[IslaTheWitch]

Do I have to be in a relationship to know that a guy is hitting on me?

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch The fact that you're not highlights the value or lack off of they type of men that are hitting on you. If they are hitting on you imagine how much they hit on young attractive women.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Vegasrunner I'm in a long-term relationship, and I won't leave it only because other men find me attractive. Honestly, none of my male acquaintances is interested in young women. They are more interested in partners who can share similar life experiences and knowledge than youth looks.

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch OH we're using antedoctal evidence I'm in a relationships w 3 1/2 women currently and every male friend I have bangs women under 30. So by your logic every man in society wants that.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Vegasrunner Bang doesn't mean looking for a relationship. And it's a hell of a difference

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner You don’t learn, do you.

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch Perhaps but I'm still currently I'm 3x as many relationships as you so by your own logic I know 3x more than you correct?

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust I learn something everyday. That's why I let you communicate w/ me.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Vegasrunner
so a bigger bodycount means what exactly?

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch TY for sharing, however I'm not sure what that has to do w/ me. I said I was currently in 3 1/2 relationships you said you were in 1 are you sure you tagged the correct person, or did you miss that part?

[IslaTheWitch]

@Vegasrunner I was in two serious relationships and some dating. What does it change?

[Vegasrunner]

@islathewitch You originally said you don't "understand the question" mayne it's because you're not in pr relationship or in as many as me

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner That would be flattering if you listen. Silent, spelled with the same letters. When is that going to get through your thick skull? Run, run Vegas boy. The truth catches up to us all.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner What the fuck is a 1/2 of a relationship?

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust I recognize how important it is for you to be flattered by ke however unfortunately I can't control someone else's emotions.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Vegasrunner where did I write such a thing?

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner If you can’t control someone’s emotions then why do insist on running you mouth?

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust Excellent question and I'm not surprised you don't know, considering your limited experience w/ women. A half relationship I when the women wants to be in a relationship w/ me, however I have made it clear that she can stay around for sex only.

[love_conquers_lust]

That’s a hookup. That’s not a relationship. I think you’ve been in exactly zero relationships. But you rarely share personal stories. It’s mostly hypotheticals.

[Vegasrunner]

@IslaTheWitch In the very first sentence if your response.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust Incorre t that is a half relationship. A hook up is when you bang a chick your never going to see again. I realize you have limited exprience w/ women so I'm glad I can educate you.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner Whatever words help you sleep, how many times are you going to fail before doing something right?

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust I'm not much of a sleeper. Sleep is the cousin off depth. I'm not sure what you believe I failed at but all I can say is don't be afraid of failure, Michael Jordan admits to failing 100's of times and he's one of the greatest athletes that's ever lived. All great men have overcome adversity, this may be more difficult for someone average like yourself to understand.

[love_conquers_lust]

I never watched a single game of his. I found the boys who lacked meaning in their lives praised his accomplishments as if they were theirs. He still failed with his wife. Someone with that much “success” has no wisdom to offer me if he still failed with all that at his disposal.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Vegasrunner My question was, where did I write that I don't understand the question because I'm not in a relationship, but I see it was your ASSUMPTION.

In European culture, we don't have this idea of worth. We assess our partners by watching their potential, emotional intelligence, and compatibility, not their age or income. So it's not related to the number of relationships which we rather keep in moderation but to being mature and seeing things as they are.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust That's nice to share but not sure it's relevant considering he's worth billions and has been named by numerous puplication as one of the most viewed people in the history of the world, the fact that you didn't watch only proves that there is always someone jealous of success. I think you mean to say his wife failed w/ him as it's her job to keep him. Jordan traded in his 1st wife for a woman 20 years younger which is another example of what successful men do. It's ironic you're talking about failure because if you were trying to make a point w/ that response you failed miserably. Do better.

[love_conquers_lust]

@vegasrunne It proves I was busy playing it and living life instead of sitting around talking about it. I don’t particularly enjoy watching sports because I lived it.

“Traded in his wife.” My uncle traded in 3 so far that were hotter than Jordan’s wives on a teacher’s salary. Nice guy, smart too. But he’s a failure with women to me.

[Vegasrunner]

@islaTheWitch I see your confusion now. There could be plenty of other reasons you don't understand the question, I'm saying that one of the reasons could be because you're not in as many as me.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust That's awesome so did in both college and professionally outside of America. What level did you play? I in fact I still work in basketball today. I can't speak to your uncles failures because I don't know anything about him, but thanks for sharing.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner. I’m not your ally. Acting nice doesn’t mean people will like you. You’re judged by ALL your actions.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust Lol, why would I need a virgin as an ally?

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner. Then don’t try to buddy up with me. I’m glad you work in a professional sport. I happily defund your useless profession by not watching a single game AND actively tell people it’s a waste of time to watch others play an intramural activity. Mocking the people in that business is more entertaining than watching the business itself.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust That's odd, but as I mentioned I don't have control over what someone else thinks. It'd unfortunate that u didn't have success in the game but If it was so "useless" why did you try to play? If you're spending your time mocking Alpha millionaires that have their pick of women, then the joke is clearly on you.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner If you don’t control what other people think, why do you insist on calling people emotional every time they disagree with you?

Define success. I learned good habits. But I chose to be of far more value to society getting an education. I don’t have to worry about hitting the athlete’s “wall” being washed up by 30. I don’t have to worry about walking around my house with my pants hanging around my ankles drooling and slurring my words in my 40s on up because my brain is permanently contused.

It’s like I said about my asshole uncle. Who has more talent with women? A guy who can make them feel good with nothing but his word and his balls or some dude that requires all the resources in the world, none of which he knows how to actually acquire, just to get some tail?

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust I can't speak to the 1st question because it is factually inaccurate. No you only have to worry about competing w/ the other 80% of ordinary men in the world for the 10% of women who want ordinary men. The man capable of sleeping w/ more women has more talent then them. That's why I have more talent than you.

[Sonjita]

Men in their 20s are hot and fun. I only date guys my age and younger than me. I'm 28 and my boyfriend is 21, he wants to marry me and have kids. I think it's the right age. He already has a good job, he is building his own house, he bought his own car, it depends on the guy but some are already quite succesful at that age. Same goes for my friends.

My dad had me at 23 and it was so much fun growing up with him, I want my kids to experience the same thing.

[Bethany22]

If the woman of your dreams wants to marry you now, then you should get married now (assuming she knows her value, and she knows for sure you're her man of her dreams)

[YAsQuen]

women dont know what they want is the problem.

[Bethany22]

@YAsQuen I agree

[Vegasrunner]

@Bethany22 If you're a grown man believing in that women of your dreams nonsense you definitely aren't mature enough to get married.

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

quite funny how you're saying someone is not mature enough to get married when the only girls you go for are 18 yr olds.

[YAsQuen]

@nastyb ad hominem

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb Not sure why u believe that, perhaps you tagged the wrong person. My preference is women 28-33 as they are typically the best to have sex w/. Also that is right around the age when they start giving up the delusion about fairytale relationships. I do agree that on average men prefer women 18-24 but i wouldn't have much use for a 18yro

[YAsQuen]

ill take his 18 year olds

[Vegasrunner]

@YAsQuen Lol, you can have everyone of them. I realize I'm an anomaly. I stopped banging 18 yro girls when I was 15.

[YAsQuen]

i get it ur black and u like em fat and masculine

[Vegasrunner]

@YAsQuen You think every woman over 18 is fat and masculine? How many women have you slept w/?

[YAsQuen]

u said u like em 28 to 33

[Vegasrunner]

@YAsQuen You believe that women 28-33 are fat and masculine? How many women have you slept with?

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

and what makes you think a 28-33 yr old would pick an aging, unattractive old man at your age instead of someone who is still young and handsome?

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb That's an interesting question. For starters you're making the fallacy that women "pick" Men of my status are typically the ones that pick. If you're speaking of me personally, I currently have countless women in that age range, on my roster, so evidence and reality tells me that. I can't speak to the unattractive old man statement as I don't know any, perhaps a better question is why you do. You're question does validate my point that women don't understand relationships, as "unattractiveness" isn't as important as it is for men which is why it's harder for a woman in her 30's to retain a man in his 20's. Also men in their 20's don't have any resources which is why it's tougher for them to get women. It's also tougher for women to go backwards in relationships, a woman isn't going to trade in flying private, sleeping in 6 bedroom home, and riding in fast cars for a guy still living in his mom's basement. Hope this helps.

[Avicenna]

There's no need to wait. A guy can be married based on potential as well.

[normalice]

For one thing, it's silly to speak of "men's value" like it's a real thing. Everyone's value is subjectively determined. I'm sorry right wing manoshpere scammers have brainwashed you into thinking it is money and height but you could just turn it off, so I'm not that sorry..

[strateguy632]

i guess you haven't read any PROFILES on dating apps.

[normalice]

I don't use dating apps because I assume everything on the internet is fake at best if not paid-for accounts by right wing troll farms to create an alternate reality online, since right wing policies are so unpopular in real reality..

[normalice]

@nigaga99111 I'm straight so don't have an opinion on male beauty.

[normalice]

@nigaga99111 I don't remember you at all, so hopefully you understand how important that is to me 🤷

[normalice]

@nigaga99111 thats your third uninvited comment so..

[normalice]

@nigaga99111 it seems pretty obvious that you think I should be wanting you to be sexually attracted to me. It's just none of my business, though 🤷

[normalice]

@nigaga99111 you may have misread something, lol.

[grega239]

Its nit subjective. I have more value than a junkie

[normalice]

@grega239 not to the junkie 🤷

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice Actually value is a tangible thing which is why we have an economy w/ systems if goods and services.

[normalice]

It's still subjective. If you wre stranded in a desert, a man with a glass of water is going to be worth more than a man in a city with a billion dollars.

[grega239]

Yes but drugs are know for causing delusions.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice Actually if we are stranded on a desert island the Alpha Male would be worth more as he could just beat the shit out of the man and take the water. The fact that we are not only validates my original point. TY for agreeing.

[normalice]

that straw is a bit too short to grasp at.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice Well don't feel bad. Think of some tangible evidence to support your position vs a quick emotional response.

[normalice]

Oh, I don't feel bad. More disappointed than anything.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice That's even worse, but it shows you care which is a natural response for someone emotionally tied to a belief.

[AmyHew1tt]

Sorry, but I don't agree. Twenties are the best for looks, regardless of gender. And I would never date a guy more than four years older than me. So whenever he meets someone who loves him, who he loves, is the right time to get married.

The time of 'value' is very subjective for everyone.

[Chthou95]

Most men 18-31 are single 64% while only 34% of women are single. Men have to build their value to be noticed

[Vegasrunner]

@AmyHew1tt That for women, men are not valued for their looks by society, an attractive broke man has far less options than a rich ugly man.

[AmyHew1tt]

Sure, if you like.

[RavVid]

I think girls compel you to be at least 30 and guys are unlikely to have much choice in the matter.

In fact this was institutionalized going back a couple of hundred years when up market guys would spend time in the army. To marry they had to seek permission from their colonel as well as her parents.

Nowadays though, by the time they are 30, guys should be seriously questioning the wisdom of it.

[johnnydeeeep]

They ought wait long enough to realize that getting married at any age is generally a bad idea

[Vegasrunner]

@johnnydeeeep Agreed but I'm simply saying if they do decide to watch age should it be?

[johnnydeeeep]

I hear ya... I think it's like life, in that it's timing concerning when works for any individual, as to all cumulative factors that in their mind are deemed vital as to when and why any moment in life is more appropriate than any other can only be recognized by the individual (s) partaking in the decision and that a wise argument can in essence be made for any practical age in a humans life.

[Vegasrunner]

@johnnydeeeep That's an awesome and deep response. TY

[nastyb]

Your best chance to get a 20 yr old chick is when you're in 20s to 30s. By the time you're 40, they will just see you as optional but not their top pick.

Most young women date young men. Not old men

[Chthou95]

Most young men are invisible. Unless a man builds value and success, women will not notice him

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

Take a look at marriage data and statistics, average age gap is just 3 to 4 years.

[nastyb]

There are plenty of financially stable men that are also hot in their 30s. You really dont need to be an ugly old man to be financially stable.

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb Maybe however your best chance to have 20 yro chicks chase you is when you are older.

[Chthou95]

Only if you've done the hard work during your 20's

[Vegasrunner]

@Chthou95 Yes, that is a really good point.

[Meropatrick]

@Chthou95 find a good looking slim guy and u will find girls all around him even if he is broke. Older rich men get gold diggers. Most old men r poor so they dont get action they have neither youth nor money

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

so why does data show vast majority of these hot young chicks are marrying guys just a few years older?

there's really no data that supports your point of view.

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

there's no evidence that supports your lame theory.

just bitter scared angry men spewing lies to make themselves feel better.

vast majority of young girls aren't attracted to old ugly fat guys.

[nastyb]

@Meropatrick

yea. of course most older men are poor. but who the hell wants a gold digger for a wife?

[Chthou95]

@Meropatrick That guy has to have other things going for him to attract a lot of women. Him ironically having more women around him will make him more attractive but he has to max out on other things. Status, money, confidence etc

[Chthou95]

How do you figure when 63% of men in 2023 are single?

[Chthou95]

18-31

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb Except for antedoctal, historical and reality. Why would discussing the number of women they get make someone butter or angry? It's unfortunate that you know old fat ugly guys.

[sunflower00]

I’m 23, me and all of my friends would not date older than 30. My boyfriend is 24, the oldest boyfriend in the group just turned 30 and it’s a little crazy. 40 is not an option. My dad is 47

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

Historically young women have always married and reproduced with young men. And it is still a fact today. Because young men tend to produce healthier offspring.

Vast majority of old guys in their 40s do not have status or money.

A man with a great personality wouldn't need money to attract women. A man with a shit personality would only need money to attract women

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

[How do you figure when 63% of men in 2023 are single?]

Dont make up random numbers and call them facts

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

Quite funny old bald fat guys think theyre more attractive than young strong fit handsome young guys

[Chthou95]

@sunflower00 I dont care what you and your friends are dating. I care about what generally is happening and what works. Most men 18-31 are invisible and also virgins or haven't had sex in a while. A small percentage of hyoer successful men are being shared by women

[Chthou95]

I don't care what women say they want, i only care what they respond to. Women tend to contradict their words with their actions. And let's not act like dudes who aren't the best of people dont get women still. a lot of women pursue thugs n men who have no respect for the law or anyone. And most dudes 18-31 are virgins and invisible. Like i told the other woman, only a small hand of men are getting access to sex and being shared

[Chthou95]

Look it up lol. Hell even Cnn the most blue pilled left wing network covered the topic

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

you're just saying that as a way to make yourself feel better about aging. You fear the day where you're old ugly bald and fat and poor in your 40s and 50s.

there's no data that supports what you're saying at all.

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

Here is data from census bureau. The average age gap for both married and cohabiting couples. Its 4 to 5 years.

www.census.gov/.../SEHSD-WP2023-10.html

[Chthou95]

Good try sweetheart but I've already had experiences with women. Im talking in the general sense and how the current dating world is structured. And lets not forget, women are hypergamous even in their 20's

[Chthou95]

Most of the men who are married or on relationships are older men

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb Attractiveness for men isn't as important as it is for women, that's why older fatter women have fewer options, but I cajt speak to what they think. Why do you spend so much time w/ so many old, bald fat guys?

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

you probably never leave the house which is why you would think young women date old ugly bald guys.

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

young women date "older" men. Not "old" men.

there is a difference.

Young women in 20s usually date men less than 10 years older.

marriage data proves it.

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

according to pew research, average age difference for married couples for vast majority of the world is less than 10 years apart.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[Chthou95]

And look at how many of those marriages last 😂.

[Chthou95]

Can you admit that all women are hypergamous? That's not bad thing. It is what it is

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb That is a strange assumption, however I understand why you need to feel that. Creating a false narrative allows you to deflect from evidence that contradicts your belief.

[Vegasrunner]

@Chthou95 Yes all women are hypergamous they are also delusional which is why they will search for evidence to support their beliefs vs looking at evidence and then coming to a conclusion.

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

you mad? sure seems like you are...

its been proven that marriages with large age gaps tend to be lower in satisfaction and divorce more than similar aged couples.

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

i actually have proof what you're saying is wrong.

you don't have any proof what im saying is wrong.

im not attracted to men your age. why would i go for an old ugly guy when i can get a young hot 30 yr old man who is still strong and handsome. plus... old guys can have fucked up kids... im not gonna risk my precious baby for those problems

[Chthou95]

How am i mad? And we wouldn't be seeing high divorce rates if that was the case. Women divorce younger men as well

[Chthou95]

There's plenty of women that will chase after older men. The man has already worked on everything before hand in his 20's. The Trinity (looks, money and status)

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

what kind of looks would you have at 45? you're soo delusional... does it hurt you too much to acknowledge that your will look like shit 10 years from now?

vast majority of older men don't have enough money to buy a much younger wife.

with inflation outpacing wage growth... there are more broke people than ever. A lot of old men don't even have enough money to retire.

100k doesn't buy you nearly as much as it used too...

keep dreaming butt hurt old man

[Chthou95]

What you say<actions. Its easy to say that and other women wouldn't date older men but once presented with something involving money or financial stability, the instincts kick in. And lets not forget a lot of women in their 20's want to party, take a ride on the cock courasel and then once they're 30 want to find a man to settle down with. But the options are limited because you're no longer as attractive as you were when you were 20 or 25. Your 30 and the biological clock is ticking. Those ovaries have an expiration date and the desperation kicks in and a lot of those older men dont want you. Men dont have to play on your time. Take accountibility for your shitty choices later on if you do this very thing sweet heart

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

[Your 30 and the biological clock is ticking. Those ovaries have an expiration date and the desperation kicks in and a lot of those older men dont want you. Men dont have to play on your time. Take accountibility for your shitty choices later on if you do this very thing sweet heart]

single women can have kids on their own by themselves. Women don't need husbands to start families. On the other hand you would never be able to have kids without a wife.

good luck dying alone

[sunflower00]

@Chthou95 When you look at the whole picture you will see young women are generally with people a couple years older than them. This happens literally everywhere and is the majority. Sometimes in Hollywood young women end up with old men for money but that is such a small number! Get off the internet and into the real world. Most women don’t care that much about money, women work now too you know? An unattractive pervy 40+ year old with money will almost never beat an attractive 20 something year old with less money in all honestly and you can see it in the stats

[nastyb]

@sunflower00

From what I have seen over the years, large age gap relationships don't tend to last. Very few make it to marriage.

Then take a look at the divorce rates for large age gap relationships, they're significantly higher than divorce rates of similarly aged couples.

[Chthou95]

Most women instinctively dont go down the feminists route. They still want to have kids with a man. Future cat lady in the making if you stick to that belief system

[Chthou95]

@sunflower00 I wasn't aware i was living in a simulation. Thank you for waking me from sleep Morpheus. And generally speaking women do care. And that doesn't mean shit. You make your own money but once you enter a relationship, his money becomes your money. Men in general don't care about a woman's success because men and women are different. We're attracted to different things. A woman's money doesn't make a man's dick hard. And yet again most men 18-31 (63%) right now are single. Its older men who are in relationships. Older could mean 32+

[Vegasrunner]

@nastyb You would first have to understand what I'm saying and your responses indicate thar you don't. You telling me what you're attractive isn't relevant to this conversation ar all, and the fact that you're making general statements about subjects you know nothing about only proves that like all women you're making a reaction based out of emotion rather than reality. I personally have multiple women under 30, so I could easily use that as "proof" however I understand that my anecdotal evidence isn't relevant to reality. Unfortunately for you this is something you've failed to grasp.

[sunflower00]

@Chthou95 This study you are basing your whole belief on had just over 6000 respondents and is based in the US. That is literally 0.002% of the population that you are basing your views on. You need wider and more reliable sources

[Chthou95]

@sunflower00 In the u. s alone, that's a pretty big number of single men. To imply that its different or that dating strategies work differently in other western countries is far fetched

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

actually there is an increasing number of women who do not want kids nowadays.

More and more women just don't want children: 'Kids are expensive and sticky'

www.businessinsider.com/women-dont-want-kids-birth-rate-love-fulfilling-life-2022-4

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

women in their 20s are marrying men a few years older in their 30s. There is no evidence that these women are marrying men in their 40s-50s. Average age difference really isn't 10-30 years apart.

[nastyb]

@Vegasrunner

dont talk about me being unattractive if I'm in my 20s while you're in your 40s.

there's nothing attractive about 45 yr old men

[Chthou95]

And thus more and more depression later on Feminsim is killing you girls. Yeah but women spend a lot of money anyway. Women are more likely to end up in debt compared to men who save up and build their finances

[Chthou95]

They're not marrying a lot of men at all. And if they do, statically its not going to last

[Chthou95]

Women make fast money but have slow problems.
Men make slow money but have fast problems

[Anonymous]

Lowest value? What? 20s is the best time in ur life. Its ur highest value. I am over 30 ignore the age i have on here i mistyped it. In ur 20s u look ur best. This will never come back any other decade of ur life. what makes ur 20s suck is if u r a dumb person like i was. And u didn't have a great strong personality. If u r a guy in ur 20s and u played ur cards right. U cwn have the best girl

[Opinion Owner]

Even sexually its ur prime it really sucks from there on. I dont know how the media brainwashed people that 20s is the lowest value. people in the past didn't make it past 35. they died early. But men managed then to mate before their death

[Simslover92]

I believe around 30-35. By then they should start to be financially ready for marriage.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Men's low vaule isn't their 20's.

Society just says a bunch of stupidity.

You're suppose get married young like in the teens and early 20's though they might be struggling financially and built yourself up with your wife as the years pass.

[mobiusforniner]

There are guys in their 60s who still haven’t figured it out.

Having your shit together less to do with age and more to do with gaining experience, learning, being accountable and responsible.

[Jumpintoadstool]

Lowest value? I don't see it that way. If you mean net worth, i would say its better to marry before the wealth so you know who is there for you and not just your money. Unless you just want a trophy wife.

[strateguy632]

if not for laws physical maturity would indicate the natural age.

if someone plans to go to college probably good delay marrying until graduate , but most people don't go to college so age 18 is mentally mature enough.

[4ngelic]

they dont have their lowest value in their 20s...

but anyways for marriage i think people should start thinking about that from like 28 to 34 years old or so

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

In dating marketing yes it's kind of lowest value

[4ngelic]

@SUMAIREBRAHIM maybe to some people but i think in general no. guys are super hot in their 20s

[BlissfullyCurSed]

@SUMAIREBRAHIM listen to her! she is 106 years old. She has been in the game for almost a century!

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

I think guys retain most of the looks till 30 but money and status start adding up
That's what makes a huge difference

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

Blissfull 😂 she isn't 106 bro

[Vegasrunner]

@4ngelic They do, a man in his 20's has the least amount of experience, money, and education vs men of any other non teen adult age-group.

[4ngelic]

well i guess it depends on what age range you want to date as a dude. at least i think if you want girls in their early 20s (like me, i'm not 100+ obv) the best age to be is in your 20s too. like i'm not interested personally in guys in their 30s & 40s and beyond. the hottest guys to me by far (and the ones i date/want to date etc) are around 20-24. though maybe girls in their late 20s can prefer older, dont think girls my age do. we're too young to care about money, jobs, and all that, at this point i think we all just care about looks & personality

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

It's not about money but more about status and accessibility to status..
I'm 27, my sexual pull has increased compared to my younger days
I'm able to attract girls who are 17 n 18 still , like my pull and market of girls I'm dealing with has increased 17-28 like that

[Vegasrunner]

@angelic Lol TY for validating my point. You're only one person ans statistically insignificant. Guys in their 20's may fall for this because they don't have enough options or experience to call a woman out on her BS. Guys w/ exprience understand that women are simply a numbers game and what one won't do 20 more will and that's all that matters.

[Anonymous]

If young men have any sense they concentrate totally on their careers during their 20's, and not consider marriage until their 30's when starting to come into their prime.

And if women who would not give then the time of day let alone date through their 20's suddenly start paying attention to them, and nothing about their circumstances have changed you can almost guarantee that those women are looking for a man to 'settle' with, there will be little love involved,

[imran_]

I believe if they are financially stable to provide for his family's basic need, then they should get married as early as possible.

[Levin]

Bullshit. Plenty of guys in their 20s are dating the young hotties.

[Chthou95]

Most men are single. As of 2023 63% of men are single and only 34% of women are single

[Levin]

How does that work mathematically?

[Vegasrunner]

@Levin That's an unprovable statement and also not relevant to the question. Some 20 something guys may be able to date subjective beauties however that is not the same as having multiple of those same beauties chase and vie for your attention which happens as a man adds value to himself.

[Vegasrunner]

@Levin Most women share the top tier men.

[Chthou95]

Because women are sharing the same men

[Levin]

An unprovable statement? Sorry, I didn't submit a scientific thesis about this bullshit.

I see the same gorgeous 20 yo girls with the same dickhead boyfriends of a similar age. Or some of them I'm sure are decent guys. Most men in their 20s I'm sure don't have a hard time dating unless they're complete waste of spaces who go home and wank over porn every evening. If you're reasonably well adjusted you should do alright with a woman. Problem is, most men these days aren't.

And maybe I'm cynical but I struggle to believe they are any men where women are throwing themselves at unless it's the guy out of the 1975 or that fluffy pop band with those boyish gimps, One Direction I believe.

Women just get 10x as much attention as men.

[Chthou95]

My anecdotal. I see homeless becoming millionaires so that means most homeless are just lazy and dont work hard enough

[Vegasrunner]

@Levin Apology accepted. What you're sharing is called antedoctal evidence, which is fine as long as you're willing to take in mine. Actually approximately 33% of men under 30 report that they haven't had sex in a year and almost 3/4 of all men that belong to the incel community are under 30. I don't think you're cynical, your just an average guy so it makes sense that you don't have experience of women throwing themselves at you.

[Levin]

Women used to throw themselves at me when I was younger, ironically. But I turned them all down. In fact, I've turned most of them down in adulthood as well because who cares if the average girl throws themselves at you. Quality over quantity and all. If I'm anything at all it's not average. I didn't say what I was saying was anything other than anecdotal. And I'm not saying there isn't turbulence in the dating market for young men. There are problems, major problems. In fact, I agree with your figures. The reasons for this are complicated and multifaceted. I don't agree that men have the 'lowest value' in their 20s though. Who has the highest value? Is it a flabby 50 year old with lots of wealth and 'status', but not much else. The charms of youth extend to men, too, at least to some, lesser degree, than women. There's a subjective aspect to this. Lots of older men don't have high value either. You make blanket statements and that's why I take issue with them. You've been watching too many bullshit videos on youtube. The same kind of mentality as someone who is a Darwinist and rules their whole life around it. There's a wider world out there.

[Vegasrunner]

@Levin it's unfortunate that only average girls have thrown themselves at you however if you increase your value you may get better. If you recognize that there it's more difficult for younger men then logic would tell to ask yourself why. You don't have to agree w/ reality but it doesn't change reality. Men in their 20's posses less experience, money, resources and assets these are all things women seek in men, it's probably more accurate to say you don't like it vs you don't agree, because every metric including historical validates that statement. Also your characterization of the hypothetical 50 yro proves my point tons of fat men have been characterized as ladies men. Fat Joe, Big Pun, Biggie Small, DJ Khaled, etc, that is because looks is not a metric that male value is judged by. You instinctively know this which is why you have to create a fictitious argument vs discussing the original point.

[Levin]

You can find value inwardly or externally/socially. To me health and development of consciousness are important. Please don't tell me that I should envy some ugly fatty with diabetes, because they have some millions in the bank or superficial bitches want a piece of them. You can play different games in life. You will attract what you focus on. Those girls aren't valuable or attractive to me if they're pretty materialistic husks.

[Vegasrunner]

@Levin That is cute, however in the real world it is irrelevant. Feel free to envy who you like, however a random characterization of someone you never met only proves that your belief is based off feelings hearing information you don't like.

[Dargil]

Perhaps 35. Then we select someone who has reached maturity and has completed whatever education she is getting. I'd say 24 plus. Best for children when that time comes and accumulation of wealth until then.

[DJB72]

Men have their highest potential in their 20s. Maybe it's time younger women recognised high potential is better than a high body count and go back to marrying a good man before he becomes a washed up jerk

[Snizzz]

I personally don’t think age is the most important factor. I recommend guys and girls to get out there and have fun. I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I do not believe in God, so I say go experiment. Learn what your body likes but be safe about it. Once your wild streak is gone and you know for sure what you need out of a relationship then and only then start looking for a life partner.

[LazerBean]

If a man is low value at 20 then he will very likely always be low value.

[Vegasrunner]

@LazerBean Reality and historical evidence disagree. For the metrics that women are attracted to men don't usually reach them until late 30's at best. It's difficult to admit because women lose value as they age and society tries to brainwash average people like you that men and women are equal.

[Unit1]

If they have 0 value in their teens and 20s, then why should they marry any of these gold diggers once they get older and have more value? Do not reward bad behavior.

[scentoflavender]

It shouldn't be about value. It should be about love.

[Unit1]

I concur!

[Vegasrunner]

@scentoflavender I'm talking about in the real world.

[scentoflavender]

No you're talking about your world view, as am I. They're just different.

[Vegasrunner]

@scentoflavender No I'm speaking about reality, you mentioned what shouldn't be, I'm discussing what is.

[scentoflavender]

Agree to disagree. You solicited opinions. I gave mine.

[sheenagwapa]

lowest value on their 20? how is that so? not all women are gold diggers

[Vegasrunner]

@sheenagwapa All is not a pre-requisite for truth. All people don't vote yet we still have elected officials.

[Drewtate]

Wait? If you find a good woman you marry her but chances are you won't until you 28 or 29.

[OddBeMe]

Well value as in money should have little to do with love.

But teens and youngsters are getting preggers and married before they should. I’d say just plan on college and marry afterward.

[summiter]

It is an individual choice based on love, sex, family and in some countries tradition.

[RedInnocent68]

Fortunately civilization has evolved to a point where marriage does not and should not be strictly transactional.

[LaLoba]

Lowest value... what is this a slave auction?

[pickles77]

It’s not about your value it’s about who values you.

[Likes2drive]

I don’t know about that but shouldn’t get married till your 30s anyway

[Shamalien]

Higher in their late 20s than in their early 20s…I’d say 29 to 39 is the best time

[Likethesky]

Why get married, you can have everything without marriage

[YAsQuen]

lowest value in their teens.

post menopause women are on equal footing with 13-17 boys

[Chthou95]

If you do the hard work during your 20's, you'll typically be succeeding in your 30's

[krin_m]

I don't think there has to be a specific age, either men or women,

[Anonymous]

Never unless it's right for your personality type. The average guy should wait til he's about 45.

[Opinion Owner]

Add 15 years to when the girl you're marrying wants to get married. As a male you have to provide everything for yourself and everything for the entitled female. Everyone's seen this first hand a million times in their personal life. So you better be in a position of strong leverage.

[Lynx122]

That's a individual decision.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

In their 30s, perhaps.

[love_conquers_lust]

Doesn’t matter. The one is the one.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust Men that look for the one are typically the ones that struggle getting women.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner Men who fear the true judgement of a woman will never ascend.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust Any man that is needs judgement from the most emotional creatures on the planet isn't a man like to have had success w/ women. Think about it, you've never actually been w/ a woman but are giving advice to men about them.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner. Any man who thinks he is above judgement is a fool.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust So you need judgment from me ok, well how many women have you slept w/ in your life?

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner None, judge me. Between the two of us, which of us has had more success with women? How many failures is it going to take for you to get it right? You are not what my D-back coach who played for the Steelers would call a one-time guy. I got a feeling you’ll be running from them for the rest of your life.

Any man who thinks emotions are a sign of weakness is in fact weak himself. For it is those who feel things the deepest that have the greatest barriers to overcome, that is true courage.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust You've never had sex w/ a woman but are providing advice about women why? Obviously I've had more success you haven't had any. Failure is a part if success do you don't need to be afraid of it. It makes sense that u played D-back and are a virgin as those are usually the shortest players on the team and its probably tough fir an average short guy to get laid.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Vegasrunner. You tie your self worth to women. What would you be without them? Yet your whole mantra is based on insulting and not caring about their opinion.

Failing is succeeding to you? Succeeding is succeeding, failing is part of learning. Something you have yet to do with a woman. If you were doing anything right, they’d want to stick around. But you’re afraid of their judgment.

Are you really going to start insulting D-backs? The fastest guys on the field who were in the best shape had a tough time getting laid? You think +6’ safeties have a hard time pulling tail?

Are you a glutton for punishment? How many times are you going to keep trying to cross me and made to look the fool?

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust it's unfortunate u feel I've insulted women however sharing the truth is not an insult. No one succeeds w/out failure the fact that you don't understand thar explains why you're still a virgin. Who said they don't want to stick around? That's an odd assumption. I'm a basketball guy, so most football guys are lucky if they can get our leftovers, but defensive backs are way down on the Peking order even amongst football players. Lol, if listening to a virgin attempt provide advice on women constitutes punishment sign me up for more.

[love_conquers_lust]

And witnessed. Hence the feel. One time guys get it right the first time.

I like how your whole pitch is “I’m a failure”. Let that sink in.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust You're only a failure if you quit right now, however there still may be time for you to raise your value.

[love_conquers_lust]

You could immediately raise yours by shutting up.

[Vegasrunner]

@love_conquers_lust Iys unfortunate that these words hurt your feelings, however hopefully you are able to apply some of these strategies to finally getting a woman. Gl

[Awantika03]

Not before 28

[Vegasrunner]

@awantika03 That still seems a bit early as less the.5% of 20 yro men have enough monet to support a family.

[Awantika03]

Only money is not sufficient, maturity also needed

[strateguy632]

that is a big gap unless you plan to wait 7 years?

[Vegasrunner]

@awantika03 A man certainly doesn't reach maturity at 28.

[Anonymous]

Probably around 30.

[Nifrayu]

That's not true.

[LiamJHayden]

Men are not monolithic.

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

30 to 35
I think men peak at 35-40

[Anonymous]

Lmao u just saying that cuz ur 45

[JamesRandiDebates]

73. If they are still so inclined.

[Anonymous]

I say late 20"s or older.

[slatyb]

Fifties at least.

[AlexEfron]

That stung 😂

[globaldepression]

Oh do they

[Iron_Man]

30s is ok

[In_Trance]

60-70

[whistlingwh0res]

70 or 80