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Are High Heel Dress Codes Sexist For Women on the Job? (Page 3)
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are ties sexist dresscode for men? i feel like sexism is just like racism.
a black person can´t be racist and a woman can´t be sexist. so double standarted.
Ties don't cause severe, chronic pain if you wear them too much, though I do agree that they can be uncomfortable (I occasionally wear ties)
@FallOutBoy2001 this is not a question of "what is worse". it´s a question of if it´s sexist or not and my answer to that would be either yes or no for both cases. they are not different from a "sexist or not sexist" dresscode perspective
you can´t just claim something is not sexist, just cause it´s not "harmful"
I'd say no.
I mean, there are professions have their employees in ties, regardless of gender.
@FallOutBoy2001 come on. women with ties are not a thing. i fully acknowledge that high heels are bad for you and i don´t even personally like it when women wear them. still it´s just gender stereotype dress code, not "sexism"...
Your statement is pretty much the absolute definition of sexism.
@MlleCake what statement do you refer to?
I own a tie (actually I steal my dad's), but many of my friends who work as servers at our local Italian place have to wear ties, regardless of gender
This: "gender stereotype dress code"
That's pretty much what mean when we use the word sexism in this situation. That's what makes it sexist.
@MlleCake you´re using the word "sexist" wrong. a dresscode doesn´t discriminate or devaluate a gender and if it does it does both genders equally, cause men are not "allowed" to wear high heals in a formal office environment either so it goes both sides, which i was saying all along.
either it´s sexist for both ends or for no end but not "just for women".
@FallOutBoy2001 you´re just finding an exception from the rule just to make a wrong point. compare equal to equal and not apples to hot dogs. lets take office white collar environments. how many men wear high heels there? and how many women wear ties?
Men may have good cause to be able to insist on wearing heels if they want to. Do they want to? I know of some men who have won the right to wear kilts and skirts at work.
The dresscode prioritized women's appearance and sex appeal over safety and health specifically because they were women. That's what sexism is. Like, pretty much textbook.
@MlleCake you could make the same argument otherwise. men are forced to were suits, cause that´s sexually more attractive to women. but of course as i initially said we´re double standarted and women can´t be sexist.
besides: i never heard a guy who said: no you have to wear high heels or else you´re fired...
The woman in this case was suspended from work for not wearing heels, and yes there have been workplaces where women risked termination for not following this aspect of a dress code. That has pretty much been fought and won in the US. Most employers know that to enforce a policy like this would not be worth the legal fallout. The case noted in the OP was a UK case, and so now the law has changed there too.
Most workplaces where men are expected to wear suits all the time also expect women to wear suits or similarly tailored and structured clothing. Mens' suits also do not cause injury or pain. It's possible men would have a case if women were not held to a similar standard. I don't support discrimination against men either.
@MlleCake well men get suspended as well for not wearing the proper job attire... so sexist.
you´re largely dramatizing everything just to distract from the fact that it´s still sexism in both directions. yes high heels cause discomfort and aren´t super healthy but that´s an entirely different topic.
you just like to mix it together to make "white male supremacist" arguments.
Yes, it is. I'm in law, where you're expected to dress very professionally pretty often, and this is a hot topic of debate believe it or not.
I have a friend who is a new female lawyer and is just really fighting all the expectations for attire like tailored skirt suits, pantyhose and heels. There is incredible pressure for women in law to appear in court and look a certain way. But all the people counseling her are explaining that it's pretty much a necessity in certain legal settings. She normally dresses like a Duggar girl, except never any vibrant colors, always longer sleeves, and really beat-up Birkesnstocks clogs. Her hair is like a nun's. I love her. I love how she dresses. I think this kind of pressure is sexist. But even I know she's gonna need a make-over to get anywhere.
@MlleCake I definitely think not looking like a slob and requiring high heels specifically are two different things.
Heels should never be a requirement. There are plenty of ways to dress professionally and look nice without heels. Flats are a great option, as you can pretty much find a pair for any occasion.
it's common sense here in japan and every woman follows that dress code especially the makeup and heels (apart from nurses, cooks, deliverypeople etc). no one calls it sexist.
lolz look at the vote down by the feminist XD
@jamesandre people like to shoot the messenger
HAHA :D
Don't like it don't work, simple. Every job worth a crap has a dress code of some sort. If it were me they'd all be in panties and pasties (or whatever minimum there is to keep them from being arrested for public nudity).
Women can't win in terms of dress code anywhere it seems, I remember from my air force days that men's dress and appearance was bad enough but seeing what the girls went through... God bless our ladies in arms
I do not make my employees wear heels. They wear heels if they want to wear heels. Heck, I do not wear heels myself maybe expect for two days per week. I'm more a boot kind of gal
Any company ever trying to make me wearing those can kiss my butt.
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Ya absolutely. It's ridiculous to require women to wear heels at work.
Great. I've hated heels all my life, please get rid of them. I see no point to them except for the fact that they're quite pointy on the bottom
The word 'sexist' is a Marxist made-up word, one of many they invented to create chaos, dissent, and outright hatred in society, all under the guise of their eternal search for 'social justice'. Deluded and immoral people will never achieve social justice, and if we look at their achievements thus far, they show that as soon as they start setting their agenda, society falls apart. No thank you.
Not really sure if it's sexist, but I don't agree with this to be honest. Women's dress shoes and dress pants exist for a reason.
Yes... But I never heard of that being compulsory for jobs... Except flight attendants, models and hostesses - all of which at least somewhat depend on their looks for jobs.
Blokes aren't allowed longer hair in offices are they? Is that sexist?
No, it's the dress code. Although while I have only limited experience in wearing high heels, does seem a bit cumbersome for it being mandatory.
To be fair, heels can actually damage your health, while the same cannot be said for short hair. However, that doesn't necessarily make it right for men to be required to have short hair.
It's old fashioned and completely stupid. Dido with tights and makeup thing.
There's no dress code who say women must wear heels it's more the other way around where they say wearing heels make it look you care more about your appearance than your work.
This woman was suspended from work for not wearing heels. That was the point. There WAS a policy that required them.
@MlleCake Not in my country anyway.
Yep.
These dress codes were undoubtedly created by men who haven't had to stand in heels for 8 hours plus a day.
It's not sexist. cause it doesn't mean women are not superior or under men. Pls stop overusing sexist.
It is dumb though and can cause harm as seen in your posts
sexism does not mean what you wrote.
@AriadneSky Sexist
adjective
1.
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
So yes, it isn't sexist.
This is stereotyping, and discrimination, forcing women to wear a specific uniform that serves no purpose that in the case of heels also can cause foot pain.
It's absolutely sexist, it's unfair treatment to women, and it's not a misuse of the word sexist at all.
@DevikaButts95 I don't see it that way. It might just be me. Schools have dress code for both men and women. It's just school standard so the school looks presentable , I see it this way for the company that has such. I don't think they are purposely trying to cause their female employs foot problems.
I said that myself, if there's a reason for the certain look, or even if it's for formal attire it makes sense. But in the former, there should be a specific reason for the heels, it makes no sense for Walmart for example, and in the second flats are also acceptable formal attire, etc.
Looking presentable makes sense but heels aren't the only shoes that accomplish the job.
@DevikaButts95 So, you agree it's dumb, but how is this sexist?
Just take up a complaint with these facts with your boss that plans this stuff out.
Every time there's a false call of sexism the word loses its meaning.
It's not a false claim of sexism though. It's very much what sexism means, that's a fact here. It would mean attire is sexually divided, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if done proper, but it has to be fair, and I don't think heels are fair in most cases unless there's a very specific reason for the heels.
It's not sexist because it's a job and for some jobs, you have to dress nice.
But if the standards for what constitutes "dressing nice" are higher for women than for men, I would think that is definitely sexist.
@cipher42 Even though high heels cause problems for your feet, I don't think they are sexist. Like many of what the other users said, there's not only one way to look nice and professional. Heels shouldn't always be necessary.
It's not heels itself that are sexist, it's forcing women to wear more uncomfortable shoes than men.
@cipher42 Whatever, same thing.
Well if you're standing behind a counter customers can't even see the heels, so what's the point?
What's the point even if you could have seen our feet? Our dress code was exactly equal prior to that memo. Both men/women were required to wear work shirt/slacks/white-black-brown plain shoes. How can an argument be made that we were dressing more or less professional than the guys or heels would have improved our work performance or it wasn't actually sexist? What statement could have been made to us to validate the mandate to all of a sudden need to wear heels... there just wasn't one, which explains why they so quickly made an apology rather than probably allow us to take it any further up the chain or to go public.