I don’t know about other people but I wear a mask and pair of gloves, practice social distancing, refuse to reuse clothes previously worn until the next laundry trip, avoid leaving the house unless I’m buying food or visiting the doctor and try to stabilize my health through exercise, nutrition and calorie intake, and do my social activities digitally, I also take immune boosters that successfully counteract the flu such as herbal teas with honey or ginger or antioxidants and legal medicinal foods.
Too late, covids too wide spread to ever get rid of now. Plus it's one of the best viruses at mutating. Only real way would be a total 100% lockdown with zero contact for a month and thats impossible
We don't. It's impossible to prevent new variants. Thus natural immunity is the play here similar to the flu.
Few problems with that approach:
1-Acquired or natural immunity isn't as effective as vaccination [https://www. cdc. gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection. html]
2-The vulnerable would have to stay in their homes or catch a deadly disease which would be a far greater infringement of individual liberty than any vaccine mandate
3-You'd be giving the virus way more chances to mutate into new strains that would be more capable of re-infecting people and on top of that you'd have recombination (which is how this virus came about in the first place).
Maybe ask why you took a shot that isn’t effective. Pfizer only 39% effective against delta.
No vaccine is 100% effective and as new strains emerge they will be less effected by the vaccine. This is also why we have to
A) mandate vaccinations to deny the virus opportunities to mutate into variants that are even more resistant to the vaccine (it's kinda like following through with antibiotic treatments but at the population level).
B) Develop new vaccines that are more effective
C) Realize that fights against pathogens are evolutionary arms races so arguments like "oh the vaccine is less effective against the new variant so they're pointless" are utter bilge.
39%. A bit off from “no vaccine is 100% effective”. It’s pointless to mandate a leaky, ineffective shot. If they were honest at the start and said “these shots will not stop the spread of covid, but there’s reasonable evidence they’ll keep you out of the hospital. So anyone who is at risk of dying, is scared of dying, or has comorbidities wants the shot, get it. But understand society is opening up back to normal. It’s likely you’ll get covid and it’ll suck, but it’s the only way to get rid of it is to get immunity” we’d be much better off.
But instead we have lunatics like you.
39% effective is still denying the virus less opportunities to mutate into new variants and it will give us more time to develop a vaccine that is tailored for the delta variant before it mutates into yet another variant.
I know your doomer ass wants to let the virus do what it 'wants' but I'm for taking a stand against it.
Hey stupid ass. There’s no other vaccine being developed because you idiots are trying to force everyone to take the one that doesn’t work. Your idiot in the White House that you voted for is pushing for boosters that aren’t even recommended by the “experts’ you worship. The first step to getting new shots is admitting these ones are bullshit.
If it didn't work the vaccine would be completely ineffective at preventing people from contracting the delta variant and people are working on new vaccines:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02385-x
You don’t mandate shitty vaccines that keep variants spreading. That’s fucktarded.
Vaccines become "shitty" because when you don't mandate them, idiots refuse to get them and the virus has more opportunities to mutate into new variants.
No moron. These vaccines are shitty because they are shitty. Your idiotic propaganda that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is completely stupid. Like most of the things you say. This delta variant was out before the shots.
They were patented around the time that the Delta variant was first identified. You can't come up with new vaccines overnight but even if the current vaccines aren't as effective against the new variant, more people vaccinated = less people getting infected = less opportunities for the virus to mutate = more time to develop new vaccines = we get further ahead in the arms race.
And winning an arms race isn't about getting to a specific point first, it's about getting far enough ahead of your opponent that he can't catch up.
You will lose that arms race trying to mass vaccinate in the middle of an outbreak. Especially with a mRNA shot. “They were patented at the time of delta” is a retarded statement.
OK, so tell me when they were doing R&D on the vaccine, should they have hired a gypsy to predict the emergence of the delta variant?
Well this coming from someone who thinks that CO should have predicted exactly how many ICU beds would be needed and shouldn't have set up field hospitals that went unused (seriously, if a hurricane comes in and it's estimated that you'd need between 25,000 and 40,000 extra beds, how many should the governor order?).
No, libtard applies to your logic perfectly.
Right, because you’re a moron who doesn’t understand English. No, you couldn’t have predicted the delta variant, but when the writing is on the wall, you don’t push bullshit propaganda and turn a class of people into vermin. It’s nothing short of nazi tactics. It’s EXACTLY their playbook. And you’re cheerleading it. You should be ashamed of yourself, but you’re not self aware enough.
When you're pushing against measures to attenuate the spread of a disease, you're the one who's condemning people to die for reasons often beyond their control.
*Oh they can just stay in their houses if they're afraid of contracting the disease.
Hiding in houses is how many undesirables escaped the gas chambers.
I know you view the people who are vulnerable as untermensch worthy of death; I see them as fellow humans.
Lol, here you go again with the gaslighting. Go back to the basement, loser. It doesn’t work.
Anti vaxxers ask if they should be forced to wear a yellow badge.
Nope, a swastika scarred into their forehead would be more fitting of people with your mentality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6ikN2O364&t=3s
That way, when we look back at how many people died needlessly because so many thought of themselves as special individualistic snowflakes when rugged collectivism was needed, future generations will know exactly who you were.
No one on the side of restricting freedom is on the right side of history. Ever. Don’t forget that. Fewer people would have died if your government that you worship hadn’t banned medicines, censored scientists, and pushed propaganda. Don’t ever forget that. And you suck it all down and ask for more.
Yeah, and those who restricted the freedom of millions to go outside their house without fear of dying of a deadly pathogen will be remembered as such:
www.contagionlive.com/.../analysis-spanish-flu-pandemic-proves-social-distancing-works
www.newsweek.com/40-percent-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-averted-if-it-werent-trump-report-1568403
Yup. That is the government. No one else.
And without basic research into human physiology that had no immediate financial benefit hadn't been funded by the government medicine wouldn't be anywhere near as advanced as it is now. And price gouging by private entities have a WAY longer track record of making medicine unavailable to people than government misinformation.
Nope, it was the virulence of COVID-19.
No. It was the government. Nothing else. Try again.
A pathogen killed 640,000 people and whining about how they died of other causes like heart diseases (having a respiratory infection increases the likelihood of getting a heart attack 15 fold) doesn't change that.
If you look at the history of authoritarian power grabs by the government, their boogeyman is a subversive element or a foreign country, not a force of nature BUT downplaying the severity of a natural disaster has a long history of being used to expand private power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqNAEx1lm4
It's astounding how much you shill for them when they openly mock you for your stupidity.
Now you're just babbling again -_-
They've got you arguing that the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that doesn't protect the protected.
They go to $30k a ticket balls without masks and force the workers to wear them.
Yeah after they cut attendance by a factor of 3 so people can social distance (and a few photos of people closer together than they usually were as if there was some kind of force field around them won't change that).
But tell you what, you can talk all the shit you want if it turns out to be a super spreader event like the Rose Garden reception for Amy Barrett.
lmao. You losers have been whining about 'super spreader' events for months. You're gonna lose your shit with this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoA03CgnYKM
Not necessarily*
bahhahahaha... god damn they're making a fool out of you and you can't even see it. It's hilariously sad at this point.
The financial sector and other parasitic aspects of the corporate sector has been playing on your fear of government overreach and you've been falling for it hook line and sinker. But thankfully the majority of Americans can see through their lies.
lmao. More fantasies for you
Fantasy? You mean like the big government boogeyman who's using covid to consolidate power (even though the same thing was done during the Spanish flu but didn't lead to an autocratic state).
Bro. You think that it's rational for the government to force people to get a shot who have a robust, natural immunity to a virus. You are an idiot. Nothing you say has any credibility.
Yeah, because it's not like even if they get a minor case you're still not giving the virus plenty of chances to mutate into new variants which (as you enthusiastically pointed out) vaccines are less (although not in-) effective against.
Doy.
That's not a "yeah". The correct answer is "You're right, it's stupid to mandate a shot for people with natural immunity. "
Yeah, and let them use their body as an opportunity for the virus to mutate into new variants that the vaccines are even less resistant against so even if they get the vaccine, people who are vulnerable would still die of it.
Do you still not realize that the fight against a pandemic is first and foremost a collective one?
stupid ass, their immunity is less likely to produce variants than your leaky shot immunity. God damn you are dense. But I guess you can't beak the propaganda with truth.
If they are already healthy, they are likely to have mild symptoms but if they get the vaccine on top of that, the virus is even less likely to be able to infect their tissues (although it won't make it impossible before you ask why they need a mask).
Truth is too hard for individualistic snowflakes.
lmao. And if you get covid after getting the shot you will have mild symptoms... so you should be going out and getting it.
And that's a bigger IF (i. e. you're less likely to contract it) when you're vaccinated than not.
No, you're more likely to contract covid-19 from the shot. We've already established that as fact.
When a vaccine is 39% effective that means you are 39% less likely to contract the virus than you would be if you weren't vaccinated.
But hey if you're that afraid of a needle I'm sure they can give you a lollipop afterwards.
Right, and natural immunity is 13x better. So I'm doing just fine. I'm frankly getting worried your leaky vax will spread deadlier variants. So we need to hold you down and let a covid patient hock a loogie in your mouth. Stop being such a chicken shit.
We already know that vaccination is better at preventing reinfection than previous exposure. You're doing fine but if you get it (even if you have mild symptoms) you're allowing new variants to come about. You prevent antibiotic resistance by following through with antibiotics at an individual level and you prevent new strains from coming out by getting as many people as possible vaccinated at a population level.
lol, no it isn't. That's factually untrue. Take your loogie, you big pussy.
Yeah it is, evolution doesn't have foresight; it's a blind watchmaker (again we see the anti-science stance from the evolution vs creation debate coming back in a time of peril). I know you like to ingest loogie as part of your heard immunity strategy because it reminds you of cum, but I'm not a bratty 7 year old who's afraid of vaccines.
I’ll even let you pick girl or boy to give you the loogie. Or a tranny is likely more your style. You can have your pick.
And if you're so afraid of needles, I'm sure Pfizer or Moderna can put the vaccine in a suppository for you.
Oh, since you’re fascinated with putting things in my butt, you want a gay man to spit in your mouth. I mean it’s not that different than tongue kissing. But that’s probably something you’re scared of.
Hey you're the one who's repeatedly brought up male on male oral sex on threads that have nothing to do with it; forgive me for thinking you'd be just as enthusiastic about the other end of the digestive tract.
This is all you, buddy. I’ll get a tranny to spit in your mouth so you can still tell everyone it’s a woman. It’ll be our little secret.
No thanks, I can actually recognize that getting people vaccinated versus infected is a better way of fighting a pandemic.
Take the loogie, chicken shit. You need to start contributing to herd immunity. I’m tired of you shot people keeping the pandemic going.
Acquiring herd immunity via infecting anyone is about as libtarded as stopping a firestorm by letting it rage until there's nothing left to burn (except a fire doesn't adapt to burn other materials).
And when you're making everyone get sick at once you're adding more recombination on top of mutation (how this virus came about in the first place).
You’re not getting herd immunity from 39% effective shots, doofus. Get that loogie.
No but you'll get time to develop a new vaccine before a new variant evolves and a lot more new variants that prior exposure will be even less effective at getting if everyone gets that loogie.
Quit being a royal pussy. Get the loogie. We know you’re scared of girls, so we won’t even tell you the sex of the person doing it. You can close your eyes.
Quit being a baby and get your shot.
Quit being a pussy and get the loogie.
Haha, you're argument was debunked so now you're just conjecturing like a triggered little bitch.
You’re the little pussy scared to get a kiss from a girl.
Yeah, I don't want to contract a disease. I know the only girls who will let you go down on them are ridden with STIs but most Americans give a shit about public health.
Nah JK, they won't let you go down on them at all.
The cootie shot is 100% effective despite what your mom told you. Stop being a pussy.
Get your loogie, loser.
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If we "could", covid would be already gone. We can't. The only options are: 1 live with it or 2 live in fear and lockdown forever.
We could but didn't.
no we fucking can't. fast evolving viruses with new variants every year that also have animal reservoir can not be eliminated. that's why the flu is still a thing also. i'm not sure where you got the idea that it would be possible but i'd blame that entirely on ignorance or missinformaiton of which threre's no shortage of these days.
the only way you could avoid catching a virus is locking yourself down and have no contact with anyone, having a hermetically sealed, and with double doored desinfectant chamber that the wares you need to live pass through...
and even if everyone did that for 10 years to "starve the virus for food", guess what. those viruses keep existing in the animal kingdom and will come right back. infecting us over. only difference: we used 10 years to basically disable our immune system, so then we'd just die in masses.
There isn't an animal reservoir of covid; the animals that it came from were likely slaughtered at the Wuhan market. The goal is not to catch the virus but to weed out all the harmful variants while the less pathogenic mutants reach an equilibrium with the host as has been the case with other pandemics.
Of course there is. Corona viruses have animal reservoirs in livestock just like the flu. That's why they are a danger to us to begin with. Cause the virus is not actually interested in killing us. The only reason they do kill us is because they revolve to infect us from some animal species that does not die to it. Viruses that exist for longer in humans and don't have animal reservoirs actually trend to evolve to be less dangerous for us, cause killing the host they live off is not favorable for them.
Your idea of weeding out the bad ones is just insanely infantile. What do you think did we do the last 40-50 years that we knew the virus? Just not try?
Educate yourself man...
We're talking about the specific covid 19 variant, not coronavirus as a whole -_-
Viruses mutate after sometime. It can't be prevented
We should shut off our TVs and tell the government to go Fuck itself
If you live in a democracy it's the popular will of the people who have to pay for you acting irresponsible.
@t-8900 Obviously it's not a direct democracy because that's when people vote on laws versus elect people to decide the laws. We are a representative democracy and a republic and safety is a prerequisite for freedom.
@t-8900 Gun control doesn't guarantee freedom because lack of it has a longer history of giving autocratic factions the means to seize power versus fight them off.
You will never be able to stop a Super Virus of this magnitude.
Vaccinations, obviously.
Ship anti-vaxxers to Guantanamo bay.
Arrest Lord Faucci!!
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