About 2030. We still have not got "rid" of cold or flu, kiddo.
Spanish flu, swine and avian flu killed a lot of people in their day, and took a year or two in order to get measures and vaccines in order.
Coronavirus takes the worst of all these and puts it into one deadly package. Not only does the immunity against CV19 last less than a year, but it's looking like it might be as variable as flu strains. Meaning "worse" strains could result in local lockdowns.
You're probably wondering why it's so much stress over CV19 and not flu. The reason is simply that CV19 has a higher latency than flu and is an "enabler" to make pre-existing conditions worse - unlike the flu or cold. It also fucks up the lungs and other organs, making for long term health problems.
This is one reason kids don't get it as bad, their bodies are still growing, any "damage" by the virus isn't going to have too much of an effect. But old or upper age, your body no longer grows at that rate.
Even with a vaccine there is still a lot of work to be done in testing, understanding and mitigating. Neither of which can be done, if people start dying enmasse in 2 years time because of damage done to them by CV19 exposure.
No, the political elite and big businesses are profiting to much from it, politicians have gained unprecedented power over the people (violating the constitution with impunity) and big businesses have had all of their competition completely crushed by the lockdowns (hence why they are the ones calling for it to be extended (bill gates wants us closed until 2022).
So far we were suppose to be locked down for three weeks. Then it was three more weeks and we all had to wear masks. Then it was three months. Then it wasn't until we had a vaccine. Now we have a vaccine but they already started telling us that it won't work (why not? what is the purpose of a vaccine that doesn't work) and we need to extend it for nine more months. then when they heard people started getting angry we were notified that we found a new strain that the vaccine (conviently) wouldn't work on so we definitley had to stay locked down. This for a disease that is actually less deadly then the flu (according to the CDC itself. both stating that only 6% of the reported deaths are actually due to covid and in their reporting showing that over all mortality rates from disease are consistent with every other years rates.).
Why would they ever allow us to go back to normal? They get rich we starve, we are not allowed to work, they continue to collect paychecks, we are forced back into our place as the underclass while they get to lord over us. They have absolutely no incentive for us to go back to normal unless enough people show up with guns and they are finally put at risk. Until then, no, I don't think we are going to open back up and be done with any of this stuff.
the flu it self is so old it got discovered somewhere in the 1600s and before that it was called for the sweating sickness (that you feel shivering cold while you are burning up and sweating) and it was there for maybe 1000 years before that. the Spanish flu from 1918 epidemic is still around but there is a vaccine for it although there is people dying because of it but the numbers are pretty low at this moment but in 1918 it killed way too many people just like covid now. it will not disappear but it will go low just like any other virus.
I know that's not what people want to hear, but realistically I don't see it ending anytime soon. I think it will eventually become like either the cold or flu: our bodies will either adapt to it and it will become "common," to where we get over it with time. Or they will develop vaccines, that like the flu, it won't be as severe or affect your body as much if you do contract it.
I don't know. Best we can do it wait it out for now and just take preventive measures.
As soon as humans choose to stop playing the victim, grow up and take responsibility for their own health. The very first step in this process is what is called developing conscious control of your immune system. It is a simple process that anyone can follow and learn in a matter of days. There are countless articles on how to do this in science journals like Nature. One such known method is called the Wim Hof Method. A brief explanation of how it works can be found here:
Don't hold your breath though, even though developing such skills is relatively simple, most humans on this planet are in a constant state of mental infancy where their preference for playing victim (so they don't have to feel responsible for their own health) far outweighs even their own survival instincts. They can be on their death bed and miraculously recover, yet they will do nothing to take control of their own health, their own bodily functions. As a result, they fall sick again, and again, and again, until one day they die from a lifetime of wearing down the body.
There is hope, though. There are a FEW that are showing signs of maturity. Some even spread the word. Like Evan Carmichael for example:
Reduces not eliminates. Also explain to me how behavioral training can reduce the up regulation of IL - 1, 6, or 10. What about IFN alpha or Beta? Furthermore if covid19 deactivates factor H leading to the over expression of Factor D in Complement how would one fight agaisnt pro inflammatory cytokines. Lastly, how does one prevent the inhibit of suppression of cytokine signaling 1 and 3 respectively
@Sparda20xx Probably because your questions do not make a whole lot of sense. It's hard to even guess what you're after. What do you mean "How does one prevent the inhibit of suppression"? Perhaps English is not your first language.
And even if that made any sense at all, what are you trying to say say? That the scientists did a poor job of presenting the study in your standards thereby rendering the method of controlling your own immune system unappealing? Surely you can breathe? It's not rocket science.
And finally, no offence but what difference would answering any of your questions make? All of a sudden you would start practising meditation and yoga?
I guess you're not a scientist. Do you even know what Factor D is. Or what part of the immune system it stimulates. Also if you're going to quote me, so correctly and fully. Suppression of cytokine signaling 1 or SOCS1 is part of your immune system that prevents an abundance of inflammation. Based on your responses, you have no idea how the immune system works, and you just post random links.
Simply controlling one's breathing does not prevent a virus from over stimulating the inflammatory response. Hence the Il or interleukin I asked about. Since I established that you have very little understanding lf the immune system allow me to break down in a manner that even you will get. Your immune system works in positive and negative loops. S Certain IL lead to an infllmafory response other inhibits that response such as SOCS1 And SOCS3. What role does proper breathing have in combating the inflammatory response of SARS-COV-2? Is that simple enough for you to understand?
Also, this paper was published in 2014. Meaning it was prior to SARS-COV-2. I'm sure you don't know what that is, but it's the virus name of covid19. Therefore, what evidence do you have that it would work for this pathogen?
@Sparda20xx You are much, much, much dumber than I first thought you were based on your initial questions. I wouldn't know even where to begin to bring you up to speed. How do you explain how a smart phone works to someone that's been living in a cave for 50 years? Jesus Christ. You probably don't know this but scientists (you know the people that do actual science) have conducted a full-body MRI observation and analysis on Wim to see HOW his brain (and everybody's brain that utilize T'ummo, but you don't know what that is either - you know what, never mind) affects his body while he's doing the breathing.
The process has been understood for YEARS. And you're still here asking the basic questions in 2021? Where have you been all this time? I WOULD give you a link to the brain studies as well but I see you don't like links, and you don't seem to be able to glean much understanding from science studies anyway. I can see this is all new to you. Why are you trying to learn about science on a website like GirlsAskGuys? Can you use google? It's a search engine that helps you find information on the internet. I suggest you ask someone to show you. You have a LOT to catch up on.
Again you have no idea of immunology. You're pathetic. Also since you mentioned MRI explain the scans that they did. Im sure your puny brain have no idea about this, but was the MRI scans a 90 pulse or 180 pulse? What was the Telsa of the MRI. That does make a difference in your final results. Did they run a DKI, DWI, or DTI. If so explain why they picked that scan over the other ones. During this MRI research, were MRS magnetic resonance spectroscopy ran. If so was the spectra normalize to water or NAA. Again I no your pathetic intellect has no idea what I'm saying. But I look forward to your bullshit response
You're quoting science papers without understanding what the hell you're saying. by the way, I worked as a MRI technologist for seven years, so I'll know if your lying. Then again, I already know you're idiot so..
@Sparda20xx Ah, so you're a toilet cleaner in a hospital in the imaging department? Cool.
Have you STILL not found the study, even with help then? All your questions are answered in the study. Not that you could ever hope to understand half of it. I know because I used the material in my doctorate. I can see from your response that you received your training in the 90s. Most of the stuff you blabber about has been obsolete for years. What country do you live in, India? Judging from your grammar I wouldn't be surprised. Your English is almost as bad as your understanding of science. If I were you I would drop trying to seem smart, you are exposing yourself to be dumber than a fifth-grader.
And please do tell, in what way do you feel it is necessary to understand the science behind something as simple as breathing? Somehow the Tibetans monks have been able to use T'ummo for thousands of years successfully WITHOUT understanding how or why it works. They live 5000m above sea level is eternal snow, wearing nothing but a single piece of cloth. I've seen them, spoken to them. They never get sick.
If you intend to wait with practising T'ummo until the day your simpleton brain can hope to grasp WHY it works, I have bad news for you. Covid moves quicker than your brain cells. This is no longer the 90s bro. Covid is not going to wait for you to read MRI scan studies. You either learn to consciously regulate your autonomic nervous system functions, or natural selection will take care of you. It's 2021. No room left on the planet for idiots who think reading an MRI study is going to save them. Can you take control of your own health or are you still playing victim and run to big pharma for a vaccine that will lose efficacy next week when the virus has mutated? I have a feeling what you deserve is coming for ya. Hope you're prepared with more than some vaccine and a ventillator cuz these ain't gonna cut it bro.
Again I list question and answer none of them. Meaning you don't knwo said answer. If you're referencing a paper you should be able to explain simple concepts. If all my questions are answered in the study than you should be able to answer said questions. You know that they're not. Also since you don't know Telsa is the measure of magnetism. Thats not going to change. A 90 pulse or 180 pulse refers to the way the hydrogen atom decays.
The concepts that I have listed are far beyond your meager understanding. The false notion that the concepts listed are outdated shows you know nothing. But I do implore you to look up studies from University of Maryland department of Diagnostics Radiology.
Then again you didn't knwo what suppression of cytokine signaling 1 was. I mean really, à undergrad studying that would know what SOSC1 is. You're an idiot who found a paper who can't fully explain.
At this point, you're proving to me that you don't know what you're talking about. For I can explain all the concepts that I listed. I can explained that IL-1 from my original post invovles parts of one's innate immune system. That Factor D, part of the complement system, plays a significant role in the management of inflammatory response. Now, I know I lost you in a of this, but MRI does not measure immune responses. It measures soft tissues. MRI doesn't even measure metabolic states. You would need a MRS for that. Again I know this beyond your foolish understanding but... Lol. I mean this was fun. But I'm blocking you now. Lol
@Sparda20xx Again, your concepts are clearly from 90s coursebooks. You are parroting obsolete concepts no one uses any more. Academy has moved on. I am talking about frontline research, the kind I do. You are living in a dreamworld. Correction. You clean toilets in a radiology department. Read some science when you have time.
Not sure if it will fully disappear to be honest with you. But I think we’re going to find a way around it. At the moment a lot of people are getting vaccinated (whether you agree with vaccines or not), that will eventually at least create immunity. I feel like eventually the virus will weaken as well as looking at past viruses, this has been the case.
I’m hoping by early summer things start so semi go back to normal. :) with the way the vaccines are going around here in the UK it looks like we’re on the right track.
Maybe never. The goal is to reduce it to a more acceptable level. Hopefully at some point it will be reduced enough that things can start to get back to normal.
The only virus that has ever disappeared is smallpox (although it still exists in labs which is controversial). Smallpox was a lot more deadly, and took some serious effort to wipe out.
Polio is also more deadly. It's had a vaccine for over 60 years and it's still not wiped out. We might be getting close to wiping it out, but all the focus on C19 may delay it.
The Corona virus most definitely will not disappear. Its been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. It will continue to mutate and different strains will continue to flourish. We just will come up with better ways to deal with it. Keep in mind the whole natural selection process is at play here as well. The VIRUS is not trying to kill us it is just trying to survive like everyone else. The Virus does not benefit from a dead host especially a rapid death would not be in the best interest of this virus. They need us to walk around and interact so we can spread them around.
With all the knowledge contacts and affiliations with different bureaus this virus like all viruses they dont disappear they fall into the background because of knowledge safe practices and protocols to help you stay safe and get through this period. And because we have skeptics who dont like science will prolong this outbreak along with the ignorance of people who dont care about themselves or others and use the guise my freedom my rights. Hey if you knew I had pink eye would you get near me or strep throat? No but these morons do and don't change their tune until one if their own gets infected and then poof instant reversal. Sad we need at least 3/4 of a million people before we take it seriously and by then a good part if the population would have died and those left will then do what should've been done and conform goe safety.
We've been living with viruses like influenza and SARS for years. It's not like we're going to eradicate it like smallpox or polio any time soon.
From what I understand the difference between this new one and any other virus is that no one has the antibodies to fight them off, so nobody is immune to it.
From what I understand (and I'm no doctor so I'm basically talking out of my ass. So take this with a heap of salt.) is that this will never "go away" but most people will either catch it or receive a vaccine and develop the specific antibodies to fight it off, or catch it and die, and be removed from the gene pool.
Here's hoping for a minimal amount of deaths before most people are immune.
It won't. It'll be like influenza or the common cold where it'll keep coming back in varying numbers every year, not enough to actually be worth screaming over, but it'll make for some good fear-mongering articles to keep the peasants in check, and a convenient excuse for megalomaniacs to seize power.
I don't think it'll disappear, i mean we have been able to get rid of small pox but that took around 20 years and involved large amounts of people being vaccinated.
But thanks to retards who thimk vaccines are the devil we probably will never get rid of it completely.
I honestly think it will never disappear, it will take sometimes until it will lose it´s power becoming more comparable to a general flu but that will take time. It will at least take to the end of this year and probably until mid 2022 before life is again possible like before Covid.
it could be here for a long time but if you ask when it it get back to something like normal I think about August, but that can depend on a few things, staff being over loaded and vaccine slows down, people still spacing themselves out for a few more months, and every one having the vaccine plus more
The Covid-19 virus may not disappear. It may be that we will have to receive booster vaccinations each year, like the flu. Or it may be that the vaccinations antibodies remain strong for enough years, that it need not be every year. But we will have to be watching for mutations of the virus.
From the vaccine we are getting, I don't think it will at all. In fact, might even infect the whole population by then. From what I've understood, it will help to make the symptoms go away but it will not prevent you from getting co vid. So if that's the case, then the whole population, will simply be infected with it although it will be no longer deadly.
No it will take as long as our GOVERMENT wants it to take they have a plan. What ever it is. It will involve. Our GOVERMENT to go broke this way they don have to pay S, S,,,, MEDICAID SERVICES THEY NEEDED A WAY OUT THEY ARE GOINGBTO DRAG THERE FEET WHILE WE ALL GO POOR. THEY GET RICHER. WE REALLY NEED TO FIRE ALL OF THE TRUMP HERE YOU GO ANOTHER TV SHOW YOU CAN FIRE ALL THE NEW PEOPLE YOU HATE
It will never disappear. Once a new virus is introduced, it doesn't just disappear into thin air. It stays forever. There is only one virus we have ever been able to completely eradicate, and that was smallpox in 1980, and it was a completely different situation that what we have now.
I don't see it ending anytime soon and for all we know the government is just handing out the virus with the vaccines. Because people have tooken it and it has skyrocketed. Nobody hardly does their part and social distance nor wear masks it's insane. It should at least take a year because it's even worse than last Summer.
In my 30 years of existence, I have only heard of the flu and common cold coming around every year. Now, we have corona come out of nowhere and looks like that it may come around every year too. I don't understand how it happened and maybe don't want to accept it.
Well, I hope with President Joe Biden that things improve for the most, he is wanting to bring the Country together / Set up special COVID Vaccine stations where people can get tested / COVID Vaccines / He wants to take the burden of College debt for Students, etc... I hope with President Biden the COVID comes to stand still and less people die and less diagnosis, People are hoping by June 2021 so who knows?
Maybe, but at least if the governing bodies and healthcare services can the numbers down to a level where people can travel rosk- free, then its better than nothing...
It will never disappear. It’s a corona virus. It’s a glue or like a common cold. There no ending it. It will always be here. It’s just something we as Humans will have to build antibodies to and get vaccines yearly. It will take at least another 4 years to be back to a normal life or the old way. This is a virus that will effect every living human for the remainder of their lives.
I don't think it will ever disappear. It will still be there because not everybody of the whole population can afford or can have is the vaccine for it. Sure we can probably evolved just a little bit to overcome it but it's still going to be there just like the sars and Spanish flu
