Karma, being a Hindu and Buddhist concept I don’t believe in.
However I do believe in the sovereignty of God. I believe nothing, literally nothing can happen without God making it happen or allowing it to happen. I believe those things he allows he is fully aware of. Nothing escapes his attention. Because I believe this, I have to believe that every death, including those 2 men were according to the will of God. Were they any worse than some of their people? I don't know. God knows, and even if they were not God has his reasons for everything.
The standard for justice in the Bible is “eye for an eye.” Meaning that since neither took lives in the sense of justice, if they were tried, the death penalty would be unacceptable. So I can’t call it justice for those vile acts they did and make no mistake I’m not defending them in any way. Just staying Biblical concepts.
However It is justified to take life to preserve innocent life and that’s exactly what happened to those 2 men. They sought to take life and in the process lost theirs.
I would also add in terms of the rioting, had the various governments and municipalities and the federal government decided to use lethal force to restore order it would have been fully justified and that’s what they should have done. Never mind the cost in damage those riots caused, mobs roaming the streets beating people and yes, killing people (some were killed in other cities) and committing arson which presents a threat to life of both citizens and emergency personnel, due to the inherent danger of such things, gunning them down to get them to stop would be fully justified and appropriate.
I heard it said by the rioters “we’re coming to the suburbs.” Should we experience nation wide riots again they would do well to think twice. You just saw a 17 year old kid with no formal training kill those who intended to kill him and severely wound one who was armed with a pistol and had the same intent. Kyle had no support, was out numbered, and handled a very trying situation with poise and grace and he wasn’t even an adult. If he did that in defense of his own life imagine what the rest of us who are well armed and well equipped and have formal training will do.
Wow. So god really wasn’t looking out for the boys who got sodomized? Or was that “for a reason?” I don’t want a god who gets me ass-raped as part of a greater lesson, lmfao, hard pass.
Not trying to be disrespectful, by the way, just a serious question about a pretty serious flaw in logic. Like why would a benevolent god allow such a horrific thing to happen? There’s for sure no way you come out better for having experienced it, absolutely no way I could have that twisted into a positive for me.
I could buy that, but that’s not what Exterminatore seems to be contending, as I understand it.
“However I do believe in the sovereignty of God. I believe nothing, literally nothing can happen without God making it happen or allowing it to happen. I believe those things he allows he is fully aware of. Nothing escapes his attention. Because I believe this, I have to believe that every death, including those 2 men were according to the will of God.”…. by this measure, god either allowed or outright willed sodomy on boys. It’s presented as “the will of god” as it relates to the deaths of the two men, but that, by rule, has to be a two-way street. If he willed or looked the other way on their deaths, then he also willed or looked the other way on their transgressions, and their transgressions, from another angle, are irreparable traumatic life experiences for several boys, who stand to gain nothing from it. So “God’s will” really Fs somebody in a lot of situations, however we highlight a different angle of it, that one angle is always left unanswered for.
@WhiteSteve: Lol... I think he wrongly misinterpreted how to write it or you are misunderstanding him.
What he means is since God is all knowing and sovereign over all creation that literally everything that happens God either made it happen directly or let it happen under His divine will.
Obviously God hates wickedness and will that mankind does what's right but He let's us to do good or evil as we choose.
Yeah, the death penalty is prescribed for homosexuality but you have to remember those were the laws for Old Testament Israel. Yes, homosexuality is still an abomination to God, but nowhere are we now commanded to execute homosexuals.
Yes, reaping what you sow. Karma is that but there’s more to it. There’s the implication that one’s deeds cling to one’s soul and determine the form to be taken in the next life. I know you didn’t intend to imply that part of Karma. I agree with the law of reaping and sowing.
First of all God has no obligation to those who aren’t his, and secondly man alone is responsible for man’s sin. Whether those whom Joe abused belonged to God or not I don’t know. God does have a purpose in suffering, even in those who are his. God spared not his own son.
“I don’t want a god who gets me ass-raped.” Since when has God ever raped anyone or not commanded that rape is a sin and is not to be done?
Your logic is flawed. I just corrected it for you. God spared no his own son. He spared not his chosen people from the gas chambers. All sin will be fully paid for, either by Christ or by the sinner. If you think what happened to Jesus was brutal, just wait and see what happens to the unrepentant sinner who does not have Jesus as his Lord and savior.
What I’m contending is man is always responsible for man’s sin but God is sovereign over all. He can stop or start any event as he chooses. What’s to say those men Kyle killed wasn’t God consenting to their demise as punishment for their deeds?
You would be correct to say God allowed the sinners to sin and sodomize that boy. You’d be incorrect to say God willed it to happen. For what purpose? I don't know. Why did he allow 6 million people to die in the Holocaust? Where were you when God laid the foundations of the earth? In your wisdom can you tell me the dimensions of the universe? Who is anyone to question God. God demands justice for every single sin. Either paid for by Christ or paid for by the sinner.
Who’s to say those boys won’t go on to become Christians if they aren’t already and counsel and help those who are also victims of sexual abuse?
For the record, I myself was sexually abused as a child by a male and do not question or condemn the almighty for it.
God's moral laws is to put sodomites to death. Most nations including the U. S. except most Islamic nations no longer put sodomites to death as they should be.
Whoever will keep one part of the law is responsible to keep it all and by obedience to the law shall no flesh be justified.
God’s moral law and the laws to govern Israel prior to Jesus are different. God’s moral law is don’t engage in homosexuality. God’s law in Israel was to execute homosexuals. The two are not the same. I say if you believe this, start by executing the homosexuals around you. If you don’t, then your sinning by disobeying God and in fact an unrepentant sinner until you correct your ways. You won’t do that will you?
The laws that were to govern Israel and the moral law are not one in the same. However the laws to govern Israel indicate exactly God’s disdain for homosexuality.
@Exterminatore: Wrong. The court system/judges is the one who is suppose to be them to death, not just any citizen.
God gave those moral laws to the ancient Israelites through Moses but they are applicable to any nation who chooses to use them but obviously most nations reject God's moral standards as I said.
Thank you for explaining. We’d need many more debates to possibly change some fundamental beliefs of mine to be on the same playing field to even begin to debate this topic further, so, respectfully, I’ll spare us the exercise and see myself out. Truly sorry for the abuse you suffered as a kid🙏
The bottom line is there is a difference between the legal laws given to Israel by God in order that they fulfill their mission of evangelism and be unique among the nations and the moral law. On this point I cannot agree with any other theology.
I’m happy to discuss any matter with you regarding scripture and God. All you need do is ask.
No worries, Steve. It was long ago and the two males who did it will face judgment. Possibly on this earth, possibly in the next as well if he does not repent. I have prayed for their salvation. I have not had contact with them since I was 5 years old. One did the abuse, the other watched and enjoyed what he saw. Either way God has been gracious to me, more than I deserve.
it's not like it really matters. Do you really think Rittenhouse knew what they'd done when he shot them? That he was carrying out some kind of vigilante justice? for all he knew they were blameless Sunday School teachers.
Absolutely 100%. I'm also glad that other fuck's arm is paralyzed. Rittenhouse never set out to harm ANYONE, but he did good in putting out that dumpster fire and then attempting to avoid violence until he had no choice. He's an example of a good citizen.
I keep hearing how Rittenhouse had no business being there with an AR15... well I don't disagree, but none of his attackers had any business being there either. in my opinion it was a case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. A couple of them won Darwin Awards. So be it.
You're asking philosophically, in general no. They had their past, and served their time for it. I will not say they are shining examples of men either though.
But, attacking an armed young man in an open carry state, that was kind of many levels of stupid. Karma 'may' have played a part in the circumstances developing the way they did.
But no one 'deserves' to die, they just tend to and many times by their own actions.
I mean…don’t give Rittenhouse any credit, he was out looking to do dirt and fortune threw him unsympathetic targets, but his dirt is still dirt, it wasn’t like he went child molester hunting. Rittenhouse, the guys who got killed, and the guy who got his bicep shot to smithereens all played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.
A pity we didn't depolymerize their remains and refine them into gasoline. It'd be one of the only times they ever contributed anything good to society.
I think what they have done prior to the Rittenhouse incident, while I have no doubt most people will agree is horrible, is irrelevant. If makes just as much sense to bring up as when people brought up Floyd pulling a gun on a pregnant woman.
come to think of it the same is true for the guy shot that started all this blm stuff last year. he was convicted of 9 felonies. he put a loaded gun in a pregnant woman's belly... he deserved to die
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