Is it normal to talk about marriage one month into dating?

[Anonymous]

Well we aren’t dating, we’ve been virtual friends for 3-4 years but it was on and off.
We hung out often the month of December, about 3 times a week with our other friends too.
We kissed mid December but it was definitely more wanted in his side. I’ve grown to like him but after a month he said he loves me and forced it out of me to say even though I don’t feel the same, I do like him but its like when you first start talking to someone.
He then also told his mom that we kissed, like each other, it’s serious and we’re going to get married.
Mind you we also had big fights because he treated me like crap quite a few times and when I did start liking him, the fact he’d stare and watch any and every girl got to me so much.
Now he said he’s coming overseas to see me and stay by me for a bit even tho didn’t ask but I just said ok cool. Then he said he’s going to stay for a few months.
Our biggest fight was me not feeling pretty enough because he’ll sit and watch so many girls in front of me but never looks at me that way and also following like 500+ girls on socials. Since then, I feel I’m being love bombed because he’s CONSTANTLY messaging me the he loves me and misses me, he’ll send me a long email that he loves me and why and asked to be his valentine.

Biggest thing for me is that he told his mom about everything even though it’s so early on, we aren’t anything, my family know nothing and know him as a friend and then he tells his mom we’re serious and going to get married.

I do like him but this I feel is wayyy too fast. I don’t even really know him apart from basics

I NEED ADVICE OR AN OPINION

[D_Bone_Steak]

I think it's really excessive and from my perspective marriage, like trapping someone with a child, is just a form of trapping someone into a strong commitment.

This is odd because I usually only hear about this behavior or experienced it from women... but here we have a male doing it? Yeah it's a red flag because I know EXACTLY what a woman is up to when she starts pushing for marriage after the first kiss and I don't think his motives are any different. He's trying to lock you into commitment.

Also, his Mom being such a big factor in all of this is fucking weird to be blunt. I mean it sounds like he's trying to do the passport bro thing, and his Mom is a part of that somehow? Another thing that I think is a red flag... he sounds like a womanizer with this 500+ girls on socials... like you're probably just a fetish to him and I bet a lot of the girls he has on those socials, just so happen to have something in common with you. That's not love, that's a fetish.

I'll tell you what he's going to do... he's going to continue this love bombing and getting absolutely furious when it's not getting him control over you. He's definitely is gonna do everything in his power to get you pregnant and he's not going to stop pushing for marriage. Around that point he's going to systematically isolate you from friends and family to the best of his ability. He probably will push for you to move where he's at and then cut your phone privileges off, and you'll basically be a hostage in the house at that point... he might let you buy food at the most. His sex fetish stuff is going to become more and more apparent and you're probably going to find out exactly why a grown my tells his Mommy about a kiss, and turns it into a strong relationship scenario to Mommy. The fact that Mommy gives a shit at all tells me that either a) She's trying to get him the fuck out of the house, and/or b) She's trying to rip him from her own titts and really pushing him to go get a girl.

I think you're stepping into a big pile of shit with this guy. If promises of money are involved, that's just another form of control. These guys will take on debts and lead with their wallet to get and keep a girl... just long enough that they gain other forms of control and then that money is going *poof* disappear. He has dark triad qualities, so I'm going to bet he has a very abusive side to him you haven't been exposed to yet... this is how girls end up in abusive relationships or ended.

I can tell you right now it's not going to be easy to get rid of this guy. Every possible guilt trip and emotional manipulation he could possibly use, will be used just to get what he wants... and what he wants is absolute control over you. To turn you into his personal play toy that he owns. None of this is 'normal' relationship stuff. I say you should... RUN! RUN RUN RUN!

[Asker]

Honestly the passport hits home because he’s always wanted to leave our home country but can’t for many reasons so I often wonder if his sudden love bombing and talking about marriage after 1 month is him trying to secure that.

He lives at home and tells his mom everything. We had an argument once and he was so upset that he went home and told his mom everything and then told me how upset she was etc. He’s about to be 25 in 4 months.

Also he is a womaniser I feel. We went to grab a coffee one day and he flirted with the barista while I was next to him… denied for long that he did but then would say sorry that he did etc. I felt like he just played mind games with me saying he didn’t for so long and then apologising because he did.

I don’t think he’d be abusive towards me like about the food or phone thing but everything else you say actually sounds about him or would be him just from how I've seen.

[Asker]

Actually no I see it. Everything you said. I always forget but he’s also on meds for depression and anxiety and the times he hasn’t taken them, he was so off and horrible with me. Even a few times when he has taken them, he had treated me badly and left me in areas I didn’t know because he thought I knew how to get home even though it was my first time home in 8 years.

[Asker]

Every time I try end things though he starts crying and sends me paragraphs. I asked him for space and he said ok. Like 5 hours later he sends me a paragraph saying “I’ve had time to think and I’ve been upset…” blah blah blah but it was me who asked for time and space but he’s acting like he asked for time and space

[D_Bone_Steak]

Look, I'm trained in psychology... not therapist stuff like you usually hear about... military level and my job is to catch criminals... or that was my job, I'm retired. Your descriptions were enough for me to figure out he's one of the 3 of three dark triad traits. Every magical prediction I may seem to be making is nothing more than going down a checklist of probabilities.

I suggest you look through the 3 different triad behaviors and figure out which one he is exactly. I can't tell be because they all have behavioral patterns that overlap. I'd have to interview the guy to figure that much out.

Overall I suggest you get the eff away from him. He's identified you as agreeable and manipulatable. Here read this and figure out what you're dealing with... he's one or more of these.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

[Asker]

Well thank you for your help, definitely is helpful and the more I read them the more I notice he’s shown himself in all of these 3 ways on different occasions with different issues we’ve gone through.
When I asked this question here, I had asked him for some time and space for me to think. After everyone’s opinions and advice, it’s all been enough for me to know to end things which I will do. Will have to give it a few days as he’s gone on holiday but will update you guys how it goes when I do! Wish me luck 🥴

[D_Bone_Steak]

Good luck... because I know he's not going to make this easy at all.

I mean think about it... his own mother can't get rid of him. You're dealing with a real life vampire.

[Asker]

An update: when I made this question I told him I needed space and after a week I ended things with him and he had a breakdown asking me to not block him etc so I didn’t. Days after I ended things he said he still wanted to come overseas to see me for those months and then told me in a joking way that his mom wants him out the house and it reminded me of something you said exactly so I definitely won’t be seeing this guys again 🙂 so thank you for your help haha.
He’s still on my back texting me and made me his background screen on his phone even though I’ve ended things. He’s told me we’ll just try again when I go back home (no we won’t) so yes it’s been hard to get him to leave me alone😅

[Asker]

Daily messages that he misses me and loves me and will apparently see me in a few months. So there’s that

[Finchie40]

He isn’t the guy for you , don’t fool
Yourself , if You didn’t feel that strong connection with him in the beginning, you aren’t going to feel it later on. So don’t waste Your time on this guy whatsoever, He is clearly love bombing you and only thinking what is best for himself , Sadly to say he could have a relationship with you , all by himself , meaning he only thinks about himself and doesn’t consider your feelings whatsoever. Do yourself a favor and end it with this guy immediately. Do not let him come stay with you for a few months , He isn’t the guy for you period. You deserve someone that you share mutual feelings for , someone that gives you the flip flop feelings or the butterfly feelings. Just because you like someone , it doesn’t mean you have to be with that someone, if you aren’t feeling the same as they do. And the fact that he is checking out other girls’ in front of you , is a Huge a red Flag , run girl run

[Lliam]

I see nothing but flashing neon red flags.
Is he desperate, conniving, naive, or just a fruit loop?

How old is this guy and what is his cultural and religious background?
Has he ever even had a girlfriend before or does he just look at them and fantasize?
What are his parents like? Is he independent from them? Is he sheltered? Is he a mommy's boy? Will she control his life?

You need to find out everything about someone before considering marriage. Their true personality, behaviors, moods, habits, income, education, lifestyle, hobbies, activities, likes, dislikes, family dynamics, religious beliefs, morals, values, goals for the future, ...
You have to learn that stuff by observing him for a long period of time, not just when he is on his best behavior. And believe what you see, not what he says.
You have to be sure that you are compatible enough to want to spend the rest of your life with him. Would you be happy?
I believe that you also need to be sexually compatible.

It's not enough just to want to get married, lose your virginity, and have babies asap.

[hahahmm]

This is really bad depending on the details: "he treated me like crap quite a few times".

The part where he looked at other women around you -- most guys do notice other women and they have to learn to not be obvious about it (or eventually they may not care to look). Guys aren't born knowing women see it as a crime for him to look. We think it's okay if we aren't chasing/flirting with the other woman. So in the 1st month of a relationship I wouldn't say this is the end of the world BUT of course it makes you wonder.

This relationship you describe is nowhere near ready for talking about marriage, in my opinion. But it may indicate that he wants to get married for the sake of being married. Maybe because his parents are pressuring him to get married. That's a red flag. I was always the type looking for serious relationships & even I was put off when women brought up marriage early on: ha. You don't want to marry somebody who wants to marry any warm body.

You shouldn't have said "i love you" if you didn't feel it. Never let somebody pressure you into lying like that. But usually women are slower to fall for a guy then the guy is (i mean if he even really did, cause like I said maybe he is just looking for a warm body).

[hahahmm]

If two people are traditional types, marriage could come up in an indirect way. Not ,"let's get married" but "when I get married...".

[Asker]

The whole looking at women thing, he knew because we spoke about it all and he still did it. That’s why it was a problem.
I feel bad for lying but yeah I was stoned and he kind of forced me to say it, it was a whole thing.
The warm body thing I almost do feel is what’s happening because he’s never met someone nice and since I’m nice and easy going to be around, I feel he’s just diving in because a girl likes him and he’s never had that.

[Asker]

I’m more traditional and he’s, I don't know. I literally don’t know him. I couldn’t tell you if he’s traditional or not or what his values or view points are

[hahahmm]

I just noticed also where you talk about him liking 500 girls on social media. Early on in a relationship trust hasn't been built up on either side. Now that I think about it more: When he says, "I love you" he probably just means it in the puppy love sense. May be real to him but he's not saying what you may think by it. That's why I don't even like the word "love" that much cause it can be misunderstood 1,000 different ways and at the end of the day it's actions that tell you the most.

If you're traditional you shouldn't get with someone who isn't. PERIOD.

[Asker]

Oh he 100% means love the way he’s using it. He’s told me he’s in love with me and we’re getting married and everything… when I try talk about the issues I’ve had with how he’s been with me then I get love bombed and I feel guilty

[hahahmm]

You should not get married if you aren't 100% certain. You shouldn't even be engaged if you aren't like 99.9% certain and then based on behavior during the engagement period make your final decision but obviously people start feeling pressure once weddings are planned.

[Kpop_CrystalKat]

Oh wow...
Honestly, been in the same boat before, just with a guy I actually went to school with.

So first of all, that guy is giving red flags and to me it seems like even if y'all did get married, he would cheat on you (Not because of you!!! You have nothing to do with it! It's just the way he is!!) and also would be the type of guy who when confronted with cheating, he'd say "But it was just a one-time thing! I only love you!!" when we both know he'd probably go do it again if given the opportunity. The reason why I say this is because you say that he looks at a ton of other girls and even follows them on social media. Even if you're new into a relationship, it's still not right to be following tons of other girls while you're dating A GIRL.
Also, the fact that he just told his mom everything without even asking you, that seems like he is not a good communicator. As well as just coming over and inviting himself to stay. It seems sweet, but for some reason, it doesn't sit right with me, even when I try to look at it positively. For such a big deal as coming over and staying not for a few weeks but a FEW MONTHS? That seems more like something that y'all need to discuss over before he comes, especially with how new into a relationship y'all are. But back to the mom situation. He should've discussed it with you before telling her. That way, y'all could have broke the news to both of y'all's families together, instead of just one side doing whatever they want.
You need to talk to him and tell him that he needs to chill out. Tell him how you feel, and if he can't respect that, then you probably should cut him off. The reason why I say this is because the guy I was with who was like you guy started talking about marriage and then from marriage he started getting 18+ with me until I had to break up with him for my mental health. Hopefully it won't be like that for you, but that's my advice and opinion.
Hope this could help <3

[Asker]

This is exactly my thought process especially with the whole telling his mom thing and with coming over, communication ect… he just always tells me that we can’t just leave and we must fix things for a strong relationship but some things I don’t understand why he does.
Recently, on two occasions, he left me in areas I don’t know and said he thought I knew how to get back but he knew I hadn’t been there in 8 years so I felt done and then he gave me the whole speech about staying and fixing things and I told him I almost feel guilt tripped by him but he says he’s not trying to do that, he’s just showing me he wants to work things out

[Asker]

The “started getting 18+ with me” part I get because I told this guy I didn’t want to get physical right away and wanted to wait because I don’t want to get used. Just because we’d kiss, one night he humped me, made me feel him and then felt me up and I didn’t know what to say. This was the last time I saw him before I went overseas. Since I also didn’t know how to bring it up or talk about it, I just never did.

[Kpop_CrystalKat]

Please, for my last nerve's sake and your sake, please please please cut him off. Block him, get away. Please. He seems dangerous to me. Please break up with him before it gets out of control. Like, I'm not even joking. I'm actually worried for you. This reminds me a lot of my ex and I ended up having to have "bodyguard" friends who would be by my side all the time at school so I wasn't in danger. Please stay safe. <3

[lightbulb27]

why be a chicken and hide behind a pink anon. good grief! you considering being married but have to hide but want advice? I dont' trust pink anons...

3-4 years talking, he's in massive fantasy mode and wouldn't shock me if he does this with others. After meeting you, he's all aflame. Normal kinda.

But also sounds like he's playing the field and not serious, also normal at that age for some, but not good. Sounds like a lot of pain coming to deal with that one because there is no "reality" yet, just BS hormones.

Is it a good match, compatible, going to work, values the same, going in same direction... that is what will determine marriage material.

Slow down the train, sort it out. Maybe good, maybe not. You sound rational, he does not.

[Asker]

I’m not considering getting married! It’s the absolute last thing on my mind.
“Hiding” being pink anon because I’m active here and don’t feel the need for people to know who I am and the problems I’m having. The option to be anon is given by the app so I chose that, go cry somewhere else about it.
I definitely am the rational one, he’s also on meds for depression and anxiety so his moods can often be off.
I tell him to slow things down and I don’t hear from him for two days😅 he takes it so personal

[Asker]

Actually no I see it. Everything you said. I always forget but he’s also on meds for depression and anxiety and the times he hasn’t taken them, he was so off and horrible with me. Even a few times when he has taken them, he had treated me badly and left me in areas I didn’t know because he thought I knew how to get home even though it was my first time home in 8 years.

[Asker]

Every time I try end things though he starts crying and sends me paragraphs. I asked him for space and he said ok. Like 5 hours later he sends me a paragraph saying “I’ve had time to think and I’ve been upset…” blah blah blah but it was me who asked for time and space but he’s acting like he asked for time and space

[lightbulb27]

We'll you sound like a real person so I'll accept your jab back. I and others spend time answering these 'pinks' and they are like vapor if not fake a lot of the time. it's real frustrating. It is aswell, much much better to have a history of a real person to tailor a response.
What you just wrote puts the nails in the coffin of this one. Girl, end it!
You can do a lot of things, you are young. But Un-F#cking some guys head is not one of them. As well, see a counselor to try and dial in why you got snagged up in this. That is critical for the next one. If you are one of those caregiving, empathetic, cooperative people... then I'm worried you need some more education about yourself and others before dating... so you can avoid the ones that will tear you to shreds. ask me how I know... ha.

[Asker]

Those last two replies were meant for a different comment sorry about that lol😅

[Asker]

But yes I am the caregiving, empathetic person, not so cooperative and it’s what leads to lots of arguments with guys.
But every guy in my past have been mentally abusive and just horrible people. I definitely don’t want to follow my mom’s footsteps of having my whole entire life ruined by a man because I’m too loving.
It does my head in, especially with this guy, because he’ll do all the things but then say we can work through it all and forgiveness is what’s needed to have a long relationship ect… this is how people get trapped

[lightbulb27]

ok. per below comments... he loves what he can get from you. he doesn't' even know you. this will be a psych thriller if you go forward.

[lightbulb27]

so I just nailed the personality disposition and the attraction model, because of my experience with it. I make educated guesses based on the dynamic. Given what you said, you got junk in your past (emotional trauma likely) passed on from parents plus your personality that you must understand and deal with. It appears you are drawing some "narcissistic" spectrum guys. Definitely not good guys. That is a typical pattern as those people "need" your type personality. If you even feel some buzz for him, that's danger and confirms my above statement you need to explore yourself and heal those wounds. Hard work, but not hard once you better understand and can filter out these people, draw boundaries, hold a no, etc. That will pay big dividends in general so you can be your caregiving self without the control and abuse of another unhealthy soul.

[lightbulb27]

The value of this relationship (and others)... is what you now have... awareness of some issues that need uncovered and resolve so you can avoid the same patterns you saw in your family. Humans are just record players, playing back what they were taught... especially emotionally... programmed. That pattern you don't like and so you must remove 'record from player', get a new one and play that. analogy! You want to be confident that this is a good person. luckily, you see that but maybe lack the skills to draw a hard line and cut him off.
For that, you certainly can seek help from a therapist in your area, share all this, and they can help you develop strength to put this away. Then chart course to work on self. Ignoring all learned means risk in next relationship.
You'd benefit from doing some in depth reading to undrestand if you don't.. yourself and these other people you are drawing, and then actual work on youself to heal any deeper wounds. Some people "get it" and some don't, so it takes time to find competent help.

[XHopelessRomanticX]

I’ll be honest. My fiancé and I started talking about marriage pretty early on because we are both marriage-minded, as it was something we both wanted. But here’s the thing, I was comfortable talking about marriage early on because he was marriage material.

This guy is not marriage material.

[RingOfFire]

Whatever you do, DO NOT agree to marry him.

TBH this relationship sounds doomed to me. There are a lot of red flags.

You are inexperienced so it's hard for you to compare this with a normal healthy relationship, but in my view it is not even close.

There is some kind of major issue going on here. I can feel it.

DO NOT let him pressure you into making a long term commitment. It's not even close to ready for that and I think the chances that it ever will be are close to zero.

Tell him you aren't ready to make any commitments and it will probably take a lot more time together for you to make a decision like that.

[Asker]

See now a bunch of strangers saying they can feel a major issue is enough for me to end things cause I always have this feeling with him and I almost feel like there’s another side to this guy and how he’s acting but can’t ever put my finger on it. Our whole situation seems off to me.

[RingOfFire]

I'm not saying end things. I'm just saying it sounds nowhere close to a place where you should make a decision about getting married. You need to know a lot more about him and about how the relationship is going to be. You need a lot more time before you know what you need to know to make a smart decision. And you should NEVER get married if you have even the slightest doubt about it. And you have more than the slightest doubt right now.

[Xoxocutekitty]

This guy gives 100% cheater vibes. It sounds like he's telling his family about you because you're a decent person he can "bring home" and use you to show that he "is capable" of being an upstanding guy, when in fact he actually is a dog who doesn't respect women.

I would steer clear and while it might seem like "no one's really this messed up", I can say sadly from personal experience, some people really are.

[Miristheiss]

It can be.

It is way too soon to talk about it in the sense of the two people dating possibly getting married together but it can be good to talk about life goals. If each of you has marriage as the long term goal of dating and whether you just want to date casual and you are not looking for anything serious of if you are dating to marry, screening potential people as to whether they are husband/wife material and if their life goals line up.

[Anonymous]

He has a long way to go before he knows enough about being a decent person for a woman to date. My advice would be to contact him and tell him not to bother coming to visit. He is just trying some sort of weird "love bombing" technique.

[Cookingnaked1126]

I never have but yes, I have had girls talk about "just how serious do you see the potential of this relationship" but it's usually between months one and two. My wife talked marriage about six weeks after we were in an obvious committed relationship. I think we both knew we were made for each other.

[noohair]

If you feel that something is not right, that is valid for you. If you want him to know how you feel, you need to tell him in plain language. Tell him your boundaries and stand up to him. If you don't do this he will manipulate you into something that you don't want...

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Whether is normal or not doesn't matter.

Some people date and marry within 2 weeks and last til death, while others date years then get married and don't make to a year.

It's all about chemistry and if you both truly feel and know you are for each other, otherwise no need to rush things.

[Nikki1989]

My husband and I were talking by the time we got to our 3 or 4th date. It just seemed obvious we would marry eventually.

So one month is not out of the realm of possibility.

[GlowUpGirly5]

1. Where is your father, brother, uncle and grandfather? Why are you asking them these questions?

2. He doesn't like you

3. Why aren't you in a university?

4. What are you doing with your life besides chasing a man you don't know?

[Asker]

1. My dad ran out when I was a child and I live far away from my whole entire family so I’m not close with anyone.

2. Ok I see that tbh

3. I come from a 3rd world country and my family had been dirt broke for many generations so my parents couldn’t pay for me to go to uni and I wasn’t going to put myself in debt especially since I’m more creative and that won’t pay bills.

3. Too busy working 2 jobs to help support my family back home.

[GlowUpGirly5]

@asker you need to get your life together.

[Asker]

Girl I’m taking care of my family and planning a future for us, you don’t need to tell me to get my life together lmao. I left a bad country alone as a teen with the dream of taking care of my parents. God forbid I have a normal life with issues. Not everyone has an easy life as much as we all would love!

[Asker]

I met a not so nice guy, doesn’t mean my life isn’t together

[Anonymous]

My wife and I knew in less than one day that we were made for each other. We were married less than two months after that. And it was perfect! No serious arguments and lots of wonderful times. Unfortunately, she died a few years ago.

[AManOnTheWeb]

He sounds abusive, controlling and possessive. You don't want to spend your life being this creep's possession.

[slatyb]

Totally not normal. This is a big red flag. Do not be rushed into marriage. My advice is not before 25.

[AMS700CX4u2]

Sometimes you know when you found your soulmate. My wife and I knew we wanted to be wed within one month and then had to wait a year before the wedding. Obtain employment first.

[linka_pat307]

Nope it's abnormally weird... it's not appropriate

[DrPepper12]

🚩🚩🚩 That's NOT normal. Creepo-meter is registering 11!!!

[glennos89]

Not really the smartest thing to do. 1 month is way to short to know whether you guys are a good match or not

[Anonymous]

If you want to marry her and you meet and talk to her accordingly, you should tell her that and if she wants to spend more time and get to know you, you can have a serious relationship.

[Asker]

Why are you saying her? I’m not lesbian. I’m talking about a guy I’m seeing. Can you not read?

[IFdyourmom1]

If you're in your thirty's and dating, but not when you're in your low 20's and even teens

[Dina2000]

Maybe if you’re looking eventually to do so sure. But not to rush into it.

[TacosRAwesome]

If you mean as a general concept, yes I think it's normal.

[BCRanger10]

My dear, this not the relationship for you.

[Alwayreckles93]

If your a Jehovah witness sure why not.

[HungTexan]

Seems fast to me.

[Flower7]

How did he force you to say that you love him?

[Asker]

I was stoned, he said it to me then, I didn’t say anything, so I said I love him as a friend as he said no say it properly and I said nothing and he kept pressing for me to say “I love you” and he’s also so good at guilt tripping where he’ll bring up the girls in his past who didn’t treat him right and he made me feel bad so I just said it because he kept pressing me to say it back.

[WhitneySnow]

That is way too soon! Don’t marry this guy

[Wise4myage]

That does not seem normal to me.

[beefcakebradybatson]

I don't think so.

[Djaay]

At ur age , u better.

[Asker]

I’m not going to marry just anyone for the sake of getting married before a certain age. Then I’ll end up like my mother and grandmother and so on.

[Djaay]

What happened to them?

[Djaay]

And what certain age

[Asker]

You said, “at your age, you better”
My parents and grandparents and even further down, people got married for the sake of it, either time running out, they couldn’t find the person they wanted and they ended up in HORRIBLE marriages that ruined their lives. I’d rather be alone than force myself just to marry for the sake of it and then one day want to just kill myself because some man has spent all our money and cheats and then you’re stuck with kids.

[Djaay]

What kind of man are u seeking? And do u want marriage a family of ur own?

[Djaay]

And do ur currently have any children?

[Asker]

I’m looking for a God fearing man. I’m traditional but won’t just marry anyone. One who will lead and be a man. I don’t like most guys nowadays as they act more like the woman. There’s certain values and morals I have that I can’t not have in another man. I do want children but again I won’t have any if it means they don’t have a good life with good parents, it would be selfish of me if I did.

[Djaay]

Well... there's not such thing as two equal parts that come together in scripture. Although u must come together as (one) in spirit. Through both being born again in relationship with the lord.. True Equality isn't two equal parts. And any facet or variable of feministic values are straight out of the ideological principles of witchcraft.. And not to mention sinfully completely disobedience towards GODS commanded commandments in the Bible.

[Asker]

Yes I 100% agree!

[Anonymous]

Uh no, run!

[ehatsham_hussain]

Yes normal

[In_Trance]

Jokingly yes