Is it hypocritical to be judgmental of others you are judgmental?

[Still-alive]

That’s how i be. Im generally cool unless the other person is highly judgmental themselves especially if its over things they can’t control like their race or sexual orientation.

Yes

Yeah but who cares?

No

Sorta

Im judging you for being judgmental about judgmental people

[SueShe]

Everybody is judgmental in a way or another. It is not a bad thing to be judgmental because it is indicative that you have the capacity of discernment of what is appropriate and what is not in your eyes.

Of course, someone cannot help being born the color or ethnicity they are born but their behavior as a person of a specific color or ethnicity can be judged because a lot of behaviors are typical of an ethnic race. Germans are loud, French are stuk-up and others are superficial for example.

As for the sexual orientation, it is more of a choice than innate and can be very well be controlled.

[Still-alive]

Hard disagree on your last point.

Interesting that you think it’s something to be ‘controlled’. Hmmm

[MrChinaski]

@Still-alive Well it's clear nature and nurture both contribute. (And I have no expertise on which to judge their relative contributions, so don't ask!)

[Still-alive]

@MrChinaski it’s still not something anyone else should be concerned with

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I suppose if one would really be adamant about being non-judgemental, then there should be no exception. But that level of zealousness would sound quite rigid to me. I think the spirit of non-judgement is to prioritize understanding over hasty conclusions, not to refrain from judging on an absolute level

[Still-alive]

Nah if its a racist or homophobic person im not allowing them any mercy lol.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

True racism is quite rare I think, xenophobia is much more common. And even if the two views may overlap, I still think it's important to treat them separately, that's what I mean with prioritiy set on understanding lol

[MrChinaski]

@Maybe_Maybe_not True racism is quite rare? My daughter was 4 years old, growing up with, well, people like me, in one of the most multicultural countries on earth, and in one of the more progressive areas. Subcontinental delivery guy comes to the door, I open it, she runs off screaming 'He's black. He's black'.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@MrChinaski that describes xenophobia to me, something very instinctive!
I view true racism as a formalized, established opinion, an evolution of xenophobia. Not something purely instinctive, something elaborate instead

[MrChinaski]

@Maybe_Maybe_not I wasn't calling my daughter a true racist. In-group out-group dynamics are instinctive. The question is whether the divergence to what you call 'true racism' is instinctive. I'm not sure how you do an experiment on that. My gut is that it probably is because a lot of people have and continue to kill people of other racial groups just for being part of other racial groups (Rwanda, etc.). Treating out-groups as equals seems to me most likely to be biologically abnormal, requiring work to obtain. 🤷‍♀️

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@MrChinaski
On that aspect, there's an interview I love, a set of questions is asked to french kids born in the 50s, at the end of this clip

I made a proper transcript of this last scene, so:

Do you like stories about cowboys and Native Americans?
**Yes**

In those stories, who do you prefer, the white people or the Native Americans?
**The white people**

Why do you prefer the white people?
**Because… I like the ones who are like us**

At your school here, there are kids who don’t have the same skin color as you. Do you like them?
**Yes**

Are they your friends?
**Yes**

Would you like to be like them?
**No, I’d rather be white**

What if you were in Africa, in a school where all the kids were Black and you were white—would you like that?
**No, I’d rather be Black**

Why?
**Because if I’m in a school and everyone else is Black, I’d rather be Black. If they were white, I’d rather be white.**

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*Next kid*
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What if you were in Africa, in a school where all the kids were Black and you were the only white one?
**Oh no!**

Why?
**Because there’d only be one white person, me**

Would that bother you?
**Yes**

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

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*Next kid*
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If one morning you woke up and you were like them, if you were a little Black boy, would you like that or not?
**I’d rather be white**

What if you were in Africa, in a school where all the kids were Black and you were white—would you like that?
**No**

Why?
**I’d be ashamed**

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*Next kid*
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Would you like to be in a school in Africa like they are here in France, meaning you’d be in a school where all the kids were Black and you were the only white one?
**I’d rather be like the others**

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*Next kid*
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At your school here, there are boys of different colors, some are Black, some are Asian. Do you like them?
**Yes**

Are any of them your friends?
**Yes**

If you woke up one morning and you had turned into one of them, if you were a little Black boy, would you like that?
**No**

Why?
**Because I don’t like… Because I don’t like the color Black**

What if it was the opposite, if you were in Africa, in a school where all the kids were Black and you were the only white one, would you like that?
**No**

Why?
**Because I wouldn’t look like the others…**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQknXJqjb6s

[Xawyx-2]

Well, people tend to be judgmental for different reasons, and it's usually related to personal preferences. Is it hypocritical? No, not if you're honest about liking or disliking certain things.

[Xawyx-2]

Thanks for the MHO

[MrChinaski]

I try not to judge people, so long as they agree with me.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

You're wrong

[AngryCarl3]

If exercising judgement is judgmental then yes, I'm judgmental.