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Chivalry vs. Feminism: Can they co-exist? (Page 4)
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My opinion has basically been stated by you!
Although anything is possible. But I see a big downward hill for the way women are respecting themselves. NOT ALL OF THEM lol but a lot.
I'm not a feminist. I'm a Conanian.
https://youtu.be/vOofKsny66oah ha and how well does that work with the police again? :P
Well, in the privacy of my own home, of course.
More of a theoretical Conanian.. :-)
Hahaha, nice!
I completely agree with you. They can coexist. Those two concepts aren't mutually exclusive and I don't know why many people think they are.
The real issue is,
the definition in the dictionary and our actions/outlook are polar.
Yeah when I say feminism men think men-hating bitches. Even though really those are on the extreme side of feminism to the point it's not even feminism anymore.
Yes, I liked your response. You're the first take owners who supported feminism while admitting its dark sides
I support equality between genders and the ability to choose which is the basic foundation of feminism. Some "feminist" support inequality by putting women on pedestals that's not feminism that's them being a greedy bitch.
Hahaha..
Tell me, why don't girls support egalitarianism?
Because they get away with asking for everything by claiming to be feminist.
I mean why do girls think that they need to be feminist to pursue equality while it could also be attained by join the better part of egalitarianism?
Not sure actually this is the first time I have heard that term.
I think it's more that feminism is focused on female problems because it's more focused on what effects them.
Then you would never understand what I am talking about. It's okay. No problem.
Too many women have become so strident with it. Also, that's what's making men seek wives overseas. We don't want to be married to bossy, controlling strident women. All most of us seek is dignity and respect. Is that too much to ask. ?
I sometimes feel the same way. Woman can be awesome, you just don't want another mom. There was a reason you left home.
*women
No they can't co-exist.
Feminist want all the good things and none of the bad things.
They want society to remove all obstetrical for them so they feel equal but they also want men to still do the sexist gynocentric nonsense.
Feminism is feminism. Radicals follow the same doctrine as the non-radicals.
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Feminists are rabid, obsessive, insecure people. I will be a man and I will treat a woman as a woman.
Lol you sound super " secure "
@kalinda yeah, actually I am.
Of course they can. it's a matter of good breeding. If you're not polite... I probably won't be into you as a person.
Chivalry is not just gallantry toward women and ONLY women. Chivalry is gallantry towards everyone. So, yes. They can co-exist. In old times, doors were opened for women because men didn't want their "property" to get damaged.
They can coexist, women and men can be equal and men can choose to be all of the things above.
and in the instance that men don't chose to is that wrong?
yeah guys are tired in chivalry... most of the guys doing chivalry are friendzoned
Yeah I can see that happening. It is really unfortunate.
i'm doing that when i was in high school but girls just see me as a friendly guy... one sided love always well i dont blame or hate them... but i can see that the girls i liked before hang out with a guy look like he is not taking a bath
The friend zone is a term used by bitter guys who are upset that their dick isn't getting sucked over holding open a door.
Bang678, you're confusing polite chivalry over self-proclaimed "nice guys." I totally agree with if you were talking about the nice-guy syndrome since some men act nice but expect some kind of reward for doing so.
Being chivalrous is independent of that: some men who are so-called jerks do chivalrous things too.
I wasn't talking about chivalry. I didn't say anything about chivalry. I said stuff about the attitude of the "friend zone"
well i'm not really expecting anything from them but it is just frustrating... they know i liked them but all they do was avoid me.. and hang out with other guys... i don't really understand girls... i just gave up on women
heaven forbid a woman be social with other men besides you! the nerve!
Just because you like her, doesn't mean she has to like you too.
i dont mean she has to like me too... thats impossible... girls will never like me...
wow downvotes? it is the reality girls
Why doesn't everyone hold the door open for everyone?
Yeah I agree I hold the door open for others.
Really everyone could benefit to being courteous to everyone else. But the focus of mytake was to show how feminism and chivalry relate to eachother.
Chivalry is benevolent sexism... It's insulting to women. Stop being an entitled equivocating cow, and just open your own fucking doors
I said a guy can choose to be chivalrous I never said he had to. If you don't want to then don't. This mytake is just pointing out that they can co-exist.
I have to disagree with you there... Chivalry is a relic of darker times with less freedom and agency for females...
And feminism is a modern malady hell-bent demonising and disenfranchising men on the pretext of empowering women...
It is shallow and disgraceful to expect the best of both worlds and not admitting the evils of either
"Chivalry is a relic of darker times with less freedom and agency for females"
That's a bit of a stretch. If you mean freedom and agency to die in wars then yes. If you mean less freedom to not be respected by men for being females then I'd say no. Granted I don't think women alone deserve respect I think innocent people do regardless of their gender. People can be bad regardless of their gender.
Let me rephrase, they didn't have a choice (necessarily) as to whether or not they got respect from men. And contrary to what many people are taught they weren't denied as many rights as you may think.
Chivalry juxtaposed with feminism is a cocktail for disaster. Just look at India... Rape and gender related crimes is only the beginning... Chivalry in the context of gender dynamics is insulting to women. It is mandatory for men to vacate seats reserved for women in public buses yet it is considered chauvinistic to defend the said practice by saying women are physically weaker than men and deserve the reserved seats...
And for the record, in times when chivalry was rampant, women were barred from universities, denied any say in heir governance...
So, yes, those were darker times.
And also since you brought it up, I do not believe anyone 'deserves' respect. Respect has to be earned. I'm not obligated to respect anyone regardless of their gender or how 'innocent' they are.
Disabled or aged combat veterans ought to earn everyone's respect.
Pioneering scientists and experienced university professors ought to earn everyone's respect.
Entitled females & bratty school kids deserve contempt.
I believe you're confusing feminism and egalitarianism. Do your research.
The pic with the car basically sums up my viewpoint after a few negative experiences I've had...
Yeah feminism becoming popular was the worst thing for it. It really killed true feminism.
Yea... You can be my "social equal" but when it comes to romance, I'm doing things old school, to show that I have will and resources to go out of my way...
Ofcourse! I just believe in being polite, I'm chivalrous to men and women. I expect others to be polite too.
Exactly everyone is free to be polite to everyone else.
what crimes are women victims of more?
I've always read men both commit crimes and have crimes commited against them by other men much much more than women.
Nope. Not unless we consider it "equal" chivalry. ... Which is perfectly fine with me.
Why not call themselves egalitarian then if they want equal rights for all? Feminism implies that it is for women only.