(It's also a waste of money imo)
Boyfriend wants to go to strip club, what do I do?
(It's also a waste of money imo)
I think you're being a bit over dramatic, that's just my opinion though.
I don't see strip clubs as cheating. I don't see a lot as cheating though. I'm probably more of a guy when it comes to what I consider cheating.
Going to a strip club and getting a lap dance to me isn't really a big deal.
I can see your point of view where it's a waste of money but I highly doubt that's what's bothersome to you, and to me, it sounds like you're just adding that to make it sound like less of a jealousy/cheating issue and more rational and financial, I could be mistaken that was just the way I took it.
Also, isn't going to the theater and buying popcorn and snacks a waste of money? Or going to dinner, I could consider that a waste of money. They're all entertainment and could be considered a waste of money.
You could give him a lap dance, you can watch a movie at home and you can cook. Just saying... all entertainment and all a waste of money.
Anyway.. TO ME, my guy watching women strip doesn't phase me, him getting a lap dance doesn't bother me, him flirting or being flirted with doesn't bother me, him watching porn doesn't bother me. Because when it's all said and done I'm the one he's with. Not the strippers he watched dance, not the woman that was flirting with him or he was flirting with and not the porn star on the screen.
I trust my guy not to do something that would hurt me but as I've said none of these things phase me. Obviously they bother you so you need to talk to him about it. But you can't make demands on him. That's not how a relationship works. He can make his own choices as can you. If you really can't stand the idea of him going to a strip club and he wants to anyway well it's his choice to make and your choice to react to it.
However, I think you're going to be pretty disappointed in the dating pool if you do break up. Finding a guy that agrees watching women dance for money is cheating is somewhat rare. Not impossible but they're not as common as the men that see no issue in it.
If he'd jeopardise your relationship for the sake of going to a strip club then that's evidence of his priorities and clarifies your position in his life.
Everyone needs to make sacrifices for their partner , or the relationship won't survive. If he knows you are uncomfortable with him going , and he won't make that sacrifice for you , then you have two choices: either accept and respect his decision to go to the strip club, or end the relationship.
If you really don't want to end it , and he won't make that sacrifice , then you'd need to make a compromise by sacrificing your values and boundaries... only you can decide which means more to you
You aren't asking a lot from him. It's not like you are stopping him going out with his friends. You're just not happy about naked girls dancing over him. I can't imagine anyone being comfortable with that. How'd he feel if some sexy hunky naked guy was dancing over you? I'm sure he wouldn't like it
I'd let anyone cross my boundaries , no matter how much I loved someone.
It’s not okay whatsoever, I don’t care if it’s just looking. 1. It’s disrespectful of woman to go to a strip club. Any man who has an ounce of respect for woman, would not go. 2. It’s disrespectful to your relationship and to you. He should value you more. 3. Strip clubs are for pigs. I've has a couple great boyfriends who disagreed with strip clubs, and those are the keepers. Honestly, it would be a huge red flag if my boyfriend wanted to go to one. Or even if he simply didn’t disagree with the practice of exploiting woman.
Im with you! I sure as hell would not be cool with my boyfriend doing that. It’s like as if you feel you aren’t good enough for them to look at and desire right? Why the need to go look at others especially at a place like that. Haha I know my boyfriend would flip shit if I went to a male strip club. Ask him how would he feel if the roles were reversed. Bare men, grinding on you giving you those lustful eyes. I’m sure he would say heck no!
He says he'd be fine with it, but that's just a cop out answer since he knows I'm never gonna go, I think he'd be mad if it actually happened irl!!
I can certainly understand you feeling uncomfortable with that and feeling like it's a form of cheating since lap dances are certainly sexual.
Have you talked with him about why he wants to do that? I think it would be good to understand what he wants to get from the strip club. Then find out if there's something you can do for with him in the bedroom that would satisfy whatever it is he's seeking.
Have you made clear to him how it makes you feel? My opinion is that if this feels like cheating to you (and I can understand why it would), then he should be sensitive to that. Something that feels like cheating to either partner is very damaging to a relationship and it would be wise for the other person (him in this case) to pay attention to that.
Maybe somewhere there's a compromise available that you can both be satisfied with. I think the key thing is to understand what it is he wants so much that he feels a need to put your relationship at risk to get it. Then try to find something you could live with that gets him enough of that to satisfy him. Depending on what he's wanting, maybe watching porn together with him would help if you could live with that.
In the end, if he refuses to compromise, you'll have to decide whether this is a deal breaker for you and whether the good parts of the relationship are good enough to offset the bad feeling you're probably going to have whenever he does this - and whether it's going to damage your sexual relationship with him because if it does, then the whole thing will probably just get worse.
I'm very sexually open and we've talked about fantasies to the extent that we've tried most of what we want to try and he says he's satisfied with me. He seems to just want to go to a strip club regardless. I think it's just an experience he wants to have in life, a bucket list kind of thing (but oddly not a one off thing)
He knows I think it's cheating and I know I've been quite stoic with my boundaries, and I'd like to reach a compromise, which I kind of tried (for example, I don't want him to go at all, but even if he'd agreed not to get a lap dance I'd at least feel better about it.) but he was very uncompromising and I admitted I wanted my way a lot more than I wanted a compromise, and not much came of the conversation
I know he might think I'm being controlling but it's so annoying that we can't even have an open hypothetical conversation or explore our options. I'm happy right now but I don't want to put off sorting this out until the day that it's actually on the cards
I personally do not think it's controlling to want him to avoid something that feels like cheating to you. If you were wanting something completely impractical (e. g. that he shouldn't ever talk at all with any women he works with), that would be controlling. Wanting him to avoid going to see naked women that are certainly going to arouse him is in my opinion a totally reasonable request.
It concerns me that he's uncompromising on this. To me, that shows a lack of consideration for your feelings and a lack of concern about the risk it could be to your relationship. Both of those aren't good.
Is he talking about doing this only once (to check it off his bucket list) or multiple times? If it's only once, do you think you'd be able to tolerate it and put it behind you? Or would it upset you for a long time?
"It is totally not okay in my opinion and I count it as cheating, "
Something to think about is that everyone's boundaries are different and will differ from case to case. For example, i don't really care if my girl went to a male strip club because i know that it's more silly and i don't feel it would have any negative impact on my relationship However... if she asked a male friend to help her put up a shelf? I might go over there and kill him.
^ this example, you can see that for some guys... they probably wouldn't care however this affects me because i feel it challenges my role in the relationship.
So, if it bothers you... It BOTHERS YOU. It's fine and it's great you acknowledge it and you spoke to him about it. If he says "whatever, deal with it.. "tons of other guys are X Y and Z," it doesn't matter.
If you bury this, this is going to start a trend of you burying emotions are all subjects and lead you to be a spiteful person.
Something bugs you? speak up, he doesn't like it? Oh well. Live in the uncomfortable and tough conversations, it's all going to be worthwhile. IF he fights it.. then hey..
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Stripper clubs are gross... in my opinion. X'D I would count it cheating too... I mean, why else go to a place like that when your alreasy in a relationhip? (Wh go there in the first place? lol All I heard about, it sounds like just... dancing girls but... stripping. There may could also be fakers (looking for fake love, wants to do sexual things for fun, etc) and maybe thy just work there becuse they need the money but, its a very risky way of doing so... before I start ranting about it (lol) I also saw the image you put on... is that what it looks like in a strip club? o. o If so... I always thought they were some run down or secret underground kind of place that barely has lights. O. o;
Anyways... if Im not too late, maybe hope he will change evntually? If he stays the same well... th hard part may happen but... its worth it. I wouldn't leave my future wife at home unless it was because of jobs but otherwise, Id rather stay with her. (*^^*)
If he really loves you, maybe he should bring you with so you can keep an eye on him. Lol! xD Or if he goes, you could go in disguise as a guy without him or anyone else notice and stay in th area as him. lol! xD I dont know... I probably watched too many spy movies or something. (≧▽≦)
Well, I'm with you.
If this is a boundary than you have to tell him exactly how you feel about it and that it is a boundary. You have to be willing to enforce your boundary meaning if he goes to other women for sexual entertainment than you just leave him and end the relationship.
If you feel strongly against this type of sex entertainment with real, live women and if he is dead set on doing this it sounds like you two just aren't a match.
Don't compromise your values and boundaries. If he wants you instead of other women he should be willing to make you his "only" girl. Just plainly, honestly express your feelings and tell him this is a deal breaker issue for you and then leave him if he violates your boundary.
Strip clubs are kind of a weird business style transaction to me. It's the allure of just being a voyeur to beautiful women is part of the allure. Good strippers are good at taking away the business aspect and just making guys feel comfortable. However, I don't think any of these women will threaten your relationship. It could be several reasons for this. Do his friends go without him currently? Has he never been to one and just wants to experience one? Is he being obsessive about it or just curious? The biggest issue I have with him wanting to go is that its a "sexual" activity that excludes you. If you were open to going with him, then maybe it could work out.
If you're having such strong feelings about this issue and you mentioned having other issues between you. You probably need to strongly consider the health of the relationship long term.
I worry about stag nights because I couldn't go. He hasn't been to one before, he isn't obsessive but he's being really stubborn and uncompromising when I tell him how I feel and try to talk about it
You should steer him towards emotionless strip clubs and hookers and away from hard core cheating and serious affairs. FYI, pay for play is harmless fantasy buy affairs are nuclear time bombs. Just an educated opinion from a widower who's seen everything. Boys will be boys. Don't torpedo a healthy relationship over meaningless nonsense. In the end, he'll love you more for understanding.
I don't think it's harmless if it hurts me
That's just you blowing the situation totally out of proportion. You need to get real and to grow a spine. Love means dealing with these issues like a mature human being...
“Boys will be boys” is just an empty excuse designed to brainwash people into acceptig behaviors that they have every right to take issue with. People are responsible for their choices and behaviors. Their gender does not give them a free pass.
@samhradh_leannan You can either deal with reality or get destroyed by it. I just gave you an honest and sobering dose of reality. It's your choice of how to deal with it...
I’ve never had any trouble at all finding guys who don’t feel the need to go to strip clubs. Which is exactly why “boys will be boys” is a pathetic, meaningless excuse. She can find another guy, if this situation isn’t right for her. She doesn’t have to deal with this.
@samhradh_leannan Do you really think so? Just wait until he hits that mid life crisis! You ain't seen nothing yet...
Just because some guys are like that doesn’t mean all are. You give men too little credit.
@samhradh_leannan Speaking as a guy who knows how other guys really think, I can assure you that you are in for a rude awakening...
I think it’s pretty sad that you’re so sure all men are that way.
@samhradh_leannan Not all but many. The problem today is that women don't understand how guys think nearly as well your great grandmothers did. That's why the divorce rate is so high and that's why basic human respect has been driven so low. Zero tolerance + zero forgiveness + unrealistic expectations = zero relationship. Think about it!
I never preached zero forgiveness. I am actually a very forgiving person and I have forgiven a lot in my relationship. I have also been forgiven, because I’m not perfect either. I believe in second chances. However, I don’t believe in routinely tolerating behavior that hurts me just because it’s “how men think”. Men are intelligent, conscious beings who are responsible for their behavior and have control over their choices. The common excuse “boys will be boys” may be a convenient way for you to get away with stuff, but it is actually very demeaning towards men because it implies that they function on a lower level and somehow can’t control themselves. I’d rather be single than date someone who hides behind that excuse. I think it’s great that today, more people have the self respect to establish clear boundaries and stand up for what they feel comfortable with. It’s all about finding the right person for you, who meets your personal needs and expectations.
@samhradh_leannan I really don't know how to be any more truthful with you. I hope you find the right guy! Just a simple lesson I learned from Jim Croce when I was a kid and that you might want to apply to your relationships:
"I've learned at times it's best to bend. Because if you don't, well - those are the breaks."
FYI, if the guy comes home every night and if he isn't getting into extramarital affairs than you can be damned sure that he loves you and that he is totally loyal. In that case, is a night out at the strip club really too much to ask?
If he’s going to a strip club during a bachelor party or some other kind of extenuating circumstance, then I can deal with that. It’s a special case. But going to a strip club routinely, during a normal night out, is a totally different story. I feel in comfortable with it, so in that sense, it absolutely is too much to ask.
And as a result I’m not going to date a guy who adores strip clubs, obviously.
@samhradh_leannan I've never met a guy who goes to strip clubs routinely. The guys I know do it maybe 3 or 4 times a year - at best...
I’d consider that to be routine, compared to never going at all. It’s still well beyond a once in a blue moon, special circumstance kind of scenario. By routine I just mean part of everyday life, I don’t necessarily mean every day or every week.
if you are 100% against it tell him that under no certain terms you are ok with it. i imagine that he already knows this if he knows you are more old fashioned.
once you tell him it's up to him to decide which is more important his relationship or paying to watch girls take their clothes off
You obviously don't trust him. I can see why you're concerned but you're both still quite young, I can see why he'd want the experience and at least he's honest with you about it and isn't just done it behind your back, yet. But the fact that you two can't seem to come to a compromise here doesn't exactly bode well for your relationship. If it's really a deal breaker for you then that's fair enough as long as you're happy enough with that outcome in comparison to accepting it.
If you had a really strong relationship, he wouldn't want to go to a strip club. You are 100% right - it's wrong. Allowing another girl to fulfill good sexual fantasies or desires, even if it's just visual, is cheating. Same with porn. It's simple.
He's not ready for a serious relationship.
If this is a big issue for you, then sadly, it may be best to end the relationship. If you’re both equally strong in your convictions, then there’s no way to compromise.
Personally, I’d deal with my boyfriend going to a strip club once in a blue moon for something like a bachelor party, but that’s it. If he wanted to go as part of his daily life, I would have a big problem with that and it would probably be a dealbreaker for me.
You get to set the boundaries, so if you are uncomfortable with it and going to a strip club is more important to him, I suppose you have to agree to disagree or cut him loose.
I wouldn't mind if my SO went to strip clubs with friends on occasions, but if he wants to go alone or super frequently for some sexual gratification rather than a laugh and good time with the boys, it would bother me.
If you are both committed to your long term relationship and it would make him happy then let him go after all don't Roy want The man or woman in your life to be as happy as possible. I was in a relationship for years & I can say is you only live once so experience everything you can that bringsa smile to your face. Plus you could go with him who nos you might just enjoy it
When i use to frequent mine, before I wound up in the hospital, and jobless, I met a guy there, who was pretty cool, has a girlfriend or whatever, however, he told me that when he tells her he's going to the club, she tells him, he'll be spending the night on the couch that night, so as to say, i can't control what you do, however, I can punish you for what you do
in my opinion it isn't cheating unless he has sex with them. most strip clubs are just to watch a couple of girls dance half naked. but if you really don't like him going and he still wants to go. you could offer him a lap-dance/ striptease yourself in your home. perhaps he would enjoy that even more.
Cheating is determined by the person in the relationship. If she feels it is cheating than it is cheating. Some random internet guy who likes to go to strippers doesn't really get to "declare" that strippers is not cheating for the OP. She decides what is cheating by her own moral code and her own personal feelings.
@Miristheiss I said in my opinion it isn't cheating, as in I personally don't see it as cheating. I never said that is how she should see it. i simply gave my point of view. it's up to her what she does with that
Stop being so jealous and controlling have a little faith in your mans loyalty to you, and tell him to go have fun. All guys go to strip clubs or lie about not going.
Getting a lapdance from another girl isn't very loyal...
You need to consider if it was a deal breaker for you and if it is you need to clearly communicate that. Also you can ask why the sudden interest in going there if he hasn't before.
He said he's always wanted to but it didn't come up in conversation. But I've been clear about my opinions on cheating so I think he just avoided the topic. I told him I think it's cheating and I'm absolutely categorically not okay with it but he was equally opinionated and he just isn't affected by my opinion at all
That shows a complete lack of respect in my opinion. I also read below it is a lap dance too. You just need to be clear cut and say "I've told you clearly how I feel about this and if you don't respect my opinion on this then I don't know if I can stay with you."
To me I feel the same about strip clubs and my boyfriend would be out on his ear. The only time I might be okay was if it was for another guys bachelor party but even then, I see it as you are your own person to decide if you go there or not - whose opinion matters more the lads or upsetting/disrespecting your girlfriend and boundaries. (I say boundaries because for me personally my boyfriend and I spoke about ours early on).'
I feel the exact same!! I spoke about boundaries too, we got together when we were still in school and he talked to other girls a lot and kinda "virtually" cheated to the extreme a lot of times in the first few months. After I found out about that I was too spineless to break up tbh, I loved him and I was naive but we made our boundaries very clear. Since then things have been great, even though I know I should have broken up years ago we're adults now, we've honestly changed and matured so much that things are better. And I thought he understood and agreed about the boundaries, until now
You just need to have a serious and mature conversation about your boundaries now you're "adults" and stand your ground on how you feel. If it is truly something you can't accept him doing you need to stand your ground. If he does it you need to leave. Boundaries mean nothing if you don't stick to your own if that makes sense.
I’d say give in. I go to strip clubs and get lap dances, my girlfriend doesn’t care and she’s pretty reserved. She even came with me a couple time. It’s not that big of a deal. I’m sure he’ll get sick of them eventually. I rarely go anymore, sometime in Vegas but not nearly as much as I used to. I just kinda got sick of them.
Yes it is cheating if he does go break up with him because you do not need to be cheated on
I would not lwt my boyfriend go to a strip club. But also im a very jealous girl.
Like. I would let him go if it was a bachelor party. But just to look an nothing else. I also see it as cheating.
But if its something he really wants and u dont come to a agreement i would be super mad and maby break up with him.
If you are against it then he shouldn't go. Express you feel it's cheating and that's it.
I thought so, but he said we need to agree on what cheating is and he doesn't think that it's cheating
Well im sorry but he’s a dickhead lol if its cheating in your mind... then its cheating. He’s doing that to YOU, and i don’t understand how can he be so insensitive when you said that hurt you... I don't know why he’s so stubborn.. im sorry but it just pisses me off, i can imagine how you feel... hang in there girl
Male strip clubs are 100% tamer than when females go to see male strippers. You're not even allowed to touch in our strip clubs.
*cough*lapdance*cough*
I don't know, I'm still not really happy with it
Lapdance is sexual contact. I'd never even watch another guy, let alone all that, so it hurts me that he would
I know the thoughts he'll have and the pleasure he'll get. Strip clubs are purely sexual and he should have no reason to want that when he has me for all his sexual needs
If you think this is cheating, you are going to be very disappointed with a lot of the guys out there. Cheating is F'ing another person. Both men and women enjoy to strip clubs (Chip n' Dales for the girls).
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