Why bother if you know what’s going to happen?
Is it wrong for women to want a relationship in this day and age?
Why bother if you know what’s going to happen?
@Justneedtokno I'm going to say the problem is with your selection of men. There are lots of men who want a steady, monogamous relationship with a woman. However, women will often reject these men to pursue more "exciting" men. The problem is that other women had the same "bright idea," so multiple women are chasing after the same man. The man's no fool, so he sleeps with multiple women in a friends with benefits relationship.
As part of human evolution, when women repeatedly have sex with a man the woman becomes emotionally attached to that man. This was probably biological evolution, so that a woman's children would have the best chance of survival (in a primitive world). After a woman develops emotional attachment due to sex with a man, the woman expects the man to CHANGE and alter the agreed to friends with benefits. The problem is the men the women selected do not have a motivation to change. Since the man the woman chose only wants friends with benefits, the woman incorrectly generalizes that ALL men only want friends with benefits. In reality, the woman rejected the men who wanted a relationship.
The men who are good looking and highly desirable, who want a monogamous relationship are in a monogamous relationship. Sometimes a foolish woman will let such a man go, but women are often smarter than that. Change your selection of men, before having sex, have a sex talk about your desire for a monogamous relationship.
When dating men, don't have "sex with the ex." It will cause you to behave inappropriately and drive away good men.
Great answer.
Awesome answer.
No, it's not wrong.
But wanting something and demanding it are two different things.
That's where y'all f*ck up. You're too passive. You don't actually demand what you want.
Shut up Jamie don’t give them more ideas… it’s not about demanding what you want it’s about expecting what you want.
Stop giving head yo the hot guy and date something outside your hotness zone and find out what “lower quality” men offer. There’s good men that make good money and will respect you…
@VanillaSalt First of all that doesn’t sound appealing calling some in lower quality. He has a point
Yes and no. And you can’t argue some men have lower then average quality… besides it’s easier to give values to everything if your comparing… simple truth is women overvalue themselves but men don’t see that value and if they don’t value you the same it could men their bad men OR it could mean your over valuing yourself is what I was getting at. Stop aiming for high value men and find someone that’s lower then you’d normally aim for… not saying gang bangers, broke fools, incels, or nothing like that but give the plumber a second look… or the mechanic covered in grease… maybe that scar that makes the guy sitting at the bar look like shit is a badge from when he saved a small child from a fire… I’m just saying women’s requirements to GET the dates too high.
Even drug dealers give their customers free product to see what their missing… the guy you overlook could be a hell of a man your missing out on… or don’t.
@VanillaSalt I think your wording is bad that’s what it is. You could simply say try something different go for someone you wouldn’t normally go for.
Also mechanic plumber electrician carpenter those aren’t bad I don’t know what you guys think our standards are but I don’t think you have a right
Have a right? Who’s wordings bad? I think you mean have IT right.
So then let me ask you… where do you meet men at? Because you claim women do t have high standards. But I personally work a lot in a man dominated field… I’m told talking to women at the gym which I frequent 2-5 days a week is harassment and your busy at the supermarket… so the logical answer for me was dating apps… and guess what. Not a fish in the sea. I’m pretty average maybe slightly below so perhaps you can clear that up. If not ima have to go back to it being your standards.
@VanillaSalt I’m saying poor choice of words such as low value. I know my grammar and words are a little off I’m sleepy.
Can you meet men in in every day life. And it’s only perceived as bad in the gym because I’m pretty sure you’ve been watching her but before you actually went up to her LOL. I don’t personally like dating app so one less place for me
Oh I’ve never been called out for it. I left the market a few years ago around the time of #Metoo… didn’t care to be a target in the immediate aftermath of #metoo… besides my luck was completely nonexistent. I have been yelled at in a crowded supermarket about 10 years ago for holding the milk door open and saying excuse me… still not sure what I did… also was accused to sexual assault in jr high…
But again… I wasn’t a bad guy and still I didn’t even get to stand at the start line and prove myself… and when I say work a lot… 6-6 6 days a week on an overnight shift with a hour commute… I literally do not have time. When I was dating it was 7 days a week lol. I’ve crashed without taking a bite of my breakfast when I get home 3 or 4 times this month.
Looking forward to next weekend me and bro going Corpus Christi for our birthdays… ah fishing vacation.
@VanillaSalt well it just sounds like you had some string of misfortune. And fishing sounds great I wouldn’t just give up totally. Plus the #MeToo movement it’s normally for people who done something wrong. But not all of those accusations are true sometimes it’s miss read but at the same time it does secretly happen
If what happened to me in he high happened right now ide be in jail until my day in court losing my job…
In jr high*
I had 2 years of paying for apps of misfortune… that’s a lot of money wasted. Again I blame women’s standards… I’m 5’7” don’t drink don’t smoke not a cheater not abusive… let me tell you about devotion… when I was struggling a few years back I had a construction job that I got to on a bicycle. Got hit by a car and was at work 40 minutes later…
Once again. It’s your standards not me. And what I am is what many men are. Let’s argue I’m lying. Is it more likely most men are trash or what women think they deserve is too high? And if most men are trash then if you want a relationship reliably then maybe lowering your standards is necessary. Being with a sweet man that’s ugly I argue is better than dying alone…
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Never conform to society.. Too many people do, and that's why things are as fucked up as they are
Excellent and wise answer 😊
@TonyMetal___86 Thanks 😊
Your welcome 😌
Never a truer sentence spoken ! " Society " is deliberately engineered to be unnatural , toxic , self centred & hateful. All by design , funded by those really pulling the big strings worldwide.
@FatherJack Right? Be you, do you, fuck "society".. same for relationships, do what works for you and your partner not what "people" or society says it should be
I meant!! not?
I dont understand many guys on gag, youtube (red pill, conservative community on youtube).
They dont want "easy girls" but also want to sleep on the first date. They dont want women to test them aka play games with them but also try to have sex with her on the first date to test her. They use dates to have sex with a woman instead of marrying her but also wonder why there is no woman to marry and complain about women being whores or being bad. They dont want promiscuos women and hate hook up culture but they are also part of the hook up culture since they sleep around or they have sex on the first date or one night stands but complain when women do the same.
They dont want to take responsibility when it comes having sex since they blame women for having sex with men as if men can't say no and as if men are kids
They want traditional submissive women but also want to have sex before marriage and call her golddigger for expecting him to provide her aka pay for things but also insult working career financiall independent woman as feminazis who pay her own things.
They hate onlyfans, sexworkers etc. but also use their service by paying them or by only watching which makes it get more popular and klicks. Dont watch or support it, if you dont want to sex work exist since demand makes the supply.
They hate it when women dont makes the first step or approach but also want traditional submissive passive women who want a traditional men since traditionally men approach etc.
In my culture we date to get to know eachother and wait till marriage.
Unfortunately many western men would not do that and there also many guys who would just want to date for sex which confuses many American girls since they get fuckzoned
I can go on but i think everyone gets my point. The best way to know if a guy does not use you for sex is if he waits with you till marriage. Other than that you only can assume.
I can't generalize and so i am just summarizing male's gagers and red pillers opinions and add my comments to these opinions.
If i offended anyone i am sorry.
Of course women ain't perfect. For example i dont understand why there are also western women who like middleeastern fboys. Wtf. I have seen a beautiful doctor hanging with a fucking turkish fboy? These women dont have self-respect.
I don't like or respect promiscuous women, but I have never done hook ups/casual in my life. If people are hypocritical they are trash, but if they actually are a good and logical person like me then there is nothing wrong with having no interest in people I consider to be trash.
How do you disrespect promiscuos? Are you mean to random promiscuos women? I like honest non hypocritical people. It is perfectly ok if you prefere virgin or non promiscuos women as long as you are not hypocritical
Mainly when they get mad for being rejected because of their promiscuous past then I just tell them they are trash and have no value to someone like me. That is only after they get mad though in the first place for me not being interested. Or if they ask my opinion about it I will tell them what I think.
If they ask your opinion you could tell them in a nice way why you reject them. Some people ask it so they can improve themself
I also prefere non promiscuos men but i would never be mean to promiscuos men as long as they are not disrespectful
From a biological point of view, in generally girls don't have sex drive as like men. Girls get horny but women's horniness is totally different than men horniness. When men feel instinctive urge, desire, craving for sex, sexual intimacy, oral sex, another women body it’s call men horniness. But women don't feel it. Women's horniness means **desire to orgasm**. The urge to have sex with men, desire, craving for sex, sexual intimacy, craving for men body is totally absent in their horniness. You can compare it to urge to pee. It's just a physical itch. But there is no mental, psychological urge, desire, craving for sex, sexual intimacy, men body. That's why you often see women are totally indifferent to sex, sexual intimacy because women can get horny but women don’t feel desire to have sex, craving for sex.
That's the difference between men horniness and women's horniness. Women often say they get horny often. But their horniness means nothing, it’s just acknowledging something itching. That’s it.
If you drink less water in the hot day you will get the same itch in your lower belly, that's why women can't recognise it.
Even you often see guys always check out women, stare at women, watch porn, see nude photos of women but women are totally disinterested in this chapter/section. It’s because women only lust after their husband, boyfriend or familiar person. You know this is a long term process.
Until women get their boyfriend, husband or a familiar person their brain don't even know there is such a thing like lust. I am saying, seeing random men whom they never met before does nothing for women, it’s like seeing shoes, bus, dolls etc. Totally indifferent glance. So, don't waste time to know the fiction that women lust after men body.
It’s just a fiction.
Girls and women should still have faith that there are good guys and good men out there. By saying, good guys and good men, I don't mean some overweight, push over man. I have been scorned by many girls in my life and those girls got scorned by idiots in her life. Doesn't mean we should repeat the cycle. Let me say that again, it does not mean we repeat the same cycle. I don't give a fuck how people act these days, if people want to be fake, act rude and look for "casual" relationships they just want any sort of satisfaction to fill an empty void and that's losing faith. Just because its normalized in society doesn't make it right. Many people who behave that way, living life vicariously, when their heads lay on their pillows at night I'm sure they are not proud of it but they think well everyone else does it, then it becomes a constant struggle. Same case goes for how we look at money, how we look at political parties/leaders, relationships, or whatever the case may be. One day, things will change for the better.
People of all sorts are actively seeking a relationship, just as some other people only want casual relationships.
You shouldn't stop yourself from wanting something just because of other people. If it's something you really want, you deserve it, and you should stay hopeful about it and aim to pursue it in your life.
People talk about all sorts of goals nowadays, like career goals and financial goals, but relationship goals is a THING. And if it's something you really want, you should pursue it just as you would pursue other things.
I really want a husband and a family. The guys that have been coming into my life? Trash!!! But I'm not giving up until I meet my person because this is something I want, just as much as I wanted my journalism career.
Wonderful comment by miss alyssa rapunzel, a strong virgin girl who will never lose hope and i'm proud and admire her honesty, virginity and everything about her because she's a real lady 😌
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I dated a girl once and we broke up but still hooked up after that. I soon realised that I couldn't commit to anyone until I dealt with the hurts I housed inside. So one day I told her exactly that and she was still willing to hook up.
Secondly a friend I loved suddenly offered herself for sex.
Then I paid a girl for sex.
I soon realised that, I'm someone who wouldn't settle for less. Love is not a myth. Love is of God and so I knew there was a way to find the one I truly desired and a purely sexual relationship would be the death of me. I'm a poet and a romantic, I really can't be a friends with benefits.
So is it normal and okay? 100 percent YES
yea , its like guys would willingly sleep around on first dates with women. but then , they would turn around and say " i don't want to date women who sleep around". Its the hypocrisy which is a sign that patriarchy is still alive
Exactly
... well I have seen a dude here that said he would only marry a virgin and when I asked so are you a virgin he said no so I do think that is also bullshit but all in all maybe I have a simply casual thoughts about sex I can fuck someone but sleeping next to them that is a different thing
I won't be with a woman that slept around because I never have done hook ups/casual ever. I have always been against it.
I agree that the hypocritical guys are in the wrong. However there are also many hypocritical women that have slept around and think that somehow a good man should accept her. Both of those types of people are trash in my opinion.
I don't even know what a "relationship" is this day in age.
Modern women have a lot of sex with many different men, you have loads of "guy friends", social media profiles showing getting wasted, half-naked, grinding away... but you want a "relationship". Why?
In my mind a relationship means a very deliberate reduction of attention and contact with the opposite gender, it means being monogamous, not dressing in a way designed to attract more attention, and centering your attention around ONE other person.
I really don't think modern women really want a "relationship". I think you want a man as a financial and social safety net.
What is it with guys and women having guy friends? It’s not like they’re doing anything with them and if it was a good relationship you shouldn’t have to feel some type away about it. The best relationships are the guys that you don’t have sex with or you don’t do anything with. They teach you about the game and what to avoid.
As far as me I’m not looking for a man to be my financial stability especially when I take care of myself. And what do you mean social safety net?
@Justneedtokno. Wrong. There is no good reason to have "guy friends" except to monkey branch after you have ditched the primary relationship. We men have seen this time and time again.
Go ahead, have all of your "guy friends", have you high body count, have your drunken nights out, post it all on social media... just don't expect to have a relationship with a quality man.
Obviously you don’t know how to make friends. Just because I have male friends doesn’t mean I have a high body count Ew. Have you ever realize that maybe guys want to be friends with girls not because they wanna have sex with them or they want them. Because the guys that I talk to that her friends don’t want none of that for me. And it’s not even like a lot it’s only like two guys
I pride myself on not having a high body count. I just don’t trust anybody and on top of it I don’t know how to open up to another person or let them into my space to even want a person
@Justneedtokno. You are the one wondering why you can't find a relationship.
@KrakenAttackin Very well said mate!
@Justneedtokno. You have completely missed the point. A "relationship" implies exclusivity, both emotional and physical. It means acting responsibly and taking the other person's wants, needs, and expectations into account. It means NOT living the YOLO/Girl life.
Why is this so impossible for modern women to understand? The truth is you DO NOT want a relationship, you simply want an unrealistic situation where you can party hard, YOLO, have your monkey-branch-buddies, but have some Simp waiting for you who accepts you no matter how you behave or what you do. This simply isn't realistic.
@TruthBringer Thank you sir!
@Justneedtokno You still live with the fantasy that men and women can be platonic friends. Even though that may very well be the case, it is a rare one. This only applies when certain factors are met such as when they have absolutely no sexual attraction towards each other or if they grew up together for the westermarck effect to take place.
The reality is: Men and women can rarely be true platonic friends. What you consider to be a "friendship" may very well not be the case for your guy friends. Either you know it or not, they secretly want to be with you either for just sex or a relationship. You may not want that with them, but 9 times out of 10, the guy does want it. And he sticks around long enough in 'hope' of one day able to get you. We call those 'orbiters'. Time and time again has this been proven. Often, women keep guy friends around as a 'back-up' plan. Funny enough, the same women who complain about men having issues with them having male friends almost always are the very ones who have an issue whent THEIR man has female friends. This goes to show they very well know either on a conscious or subconscious level that there are risks involved.
So can you blame men to have an issue with this? A true relationship is where you keep each other's wishes and boundaries at heart. It is where compromise must be made in order to build something together. If you're going to act single, then stay single. Because you can't have your cake and eat it too. My girlfriend doesn't have male friends and neither do I have female friends. We respect each other's boundaries. And we respect the relationship enough to not allow a backdoor open to potential problems that could compromise the relationship. She has her female friends and I have my male friends.
Here are some extra's to inform you on the matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLqK0DTevxA
@TruthBringer Spot on sir!
Even if the male "friends" are platonic it will always leave doubt in the boyfriend/husbands mind. It is simply respectful of your relationship to distance yourself from opposite gender people. This is basic common sense to me but I guess it's lost on modern women.
@KrakenAttackin Yes. The evidence that women who act like whores are whores is all around us too. You look at the celebrities who show the most skin all the time and it's the same ones who have been in and out of 1,000 relationships. The modest ones are the ones who get married and stay married for 40+ years. When a woman is really committed to a guy she doesn't need attention from random men.
Note the votes were divided along gender lines.
Why is it always a big debate about men having girl that are friends and women having guys friends? The thing is if they don’t have any intentions of doing anything with you or I’m just having a regular friendship it shouldn’t be a problem
@Justneedtokno. You are deluding yourself. You should save the intimacy you might have with a "guy friend" for your partner.
I don't know how to tell you in any additional way, men don't want a woman who has "guy friends". There will always be doubt in his mind. Conversely, you should not want a man has female friends.
Just because you’reFriends with a man doesn’t mean that you’re having sex with him. Just like you and me are talking you’re giving advice which is kind of like what they do when it comes down to Maine to get a male perspective
You can’t stop a person from knowing someone. I’m pretty sure you known somebody that’s a female from years ago
@Justneedtokno. No, it's not like me giving you advice, over the internet, not knowing who each of us really is.
If you meet your guy friends, text your guy friends , etc, that is very different.
I am telling you men don't want this in a woman and you are saying "but, but but..."... No. Have as many guy friends as you want but it will directly hinder your potential for a LTR.
@Justneedtokno Clearly everything I've said went right over your head, or you didn't even bother reading considering I pretty much covered most of the subject. And no, no one makes a "big deal" out of women having guy friends in opposition to men having girl friends. What I said applies to both scenarios. Hence why I've mentioend that I myself don't have girl friends as everything I said also applies to MY scenario when I have girl friends. But of course all of that goes right over your head.
@TruthBringer no I didn’t have a problem with what you Wrote. That’s why I didn’t really make a comment on it I agree with some of those things. But it seems to be a really big deal that guys and girls are friends and not in a sexual relationship. I’ve been knowing a person since I was little and he’s been a friend of the family. It’s almost like this guy is saying it’s not OK for you to have male cousins or male Uncle’s.
@KrakenAttackin Technically you do give advice and sometimes I really listen and like I said I thought you are a straightforward person so I therefore like a blunt answer every now and then. But some stuff irritates the hell out of me because it could be black and white and a little gray
@Justneedtokno Your friend who you knew since you were little (whom I guess you grew up with), that's a lot different compared to when two people who didn't grow up together. Noe one says that you can't have male cousins or uncles close to you. Because remember when I mentioned the Westermarck effect? Yeah, that's what's happening.
@TruthBringer if you listen to @KrakenAttackin according to him you can’t have male friends. And if you just meet someone say for instance I met people in college that I know later on in life are lawyers or doctors or some thing I would want to know somebody in my corner especially with things I don’t understand such as legal or doctors especially what’s going on in the world right now. You don’t know everybody you’re not gonna know everybody but when you have a conversation it doesn’t always lead to I want to have sex with that person.
But it seems like that’s the next thing some guys will say.
I would want to know what your uncomfortability is with the relationship is it insecurities do you feel there’s something that’s actually gonna happen and I’ve never given you any indication there is. If I’m supposed to be faithful and loyal to you you should have some type of trust in me that I’m not gonna do anything and ask for them I’m the person that knows them I would never sit there and do anything to harm the relationship I have with that person another friend
I've had used much knowledge and many services from experts in fields that I know nothing about without feeling the need to be "friends" with them. And in response to your "insecurity" comment, I'm busy writing a take that debunks that flawed shaming tactic. I'll send the link to you here as soon as it's ready. I would say read it only if you're truly interested to know the other side's perspective. If not, don't even bother read it.
@TruthBringer
I’ll read it just because I wanna know and I’m curious as in my name. But even if it’s acquaintance or if it’s a friend or however you wanna call it it’s a person that you know it isn’t like you as a person is about to go do something with them.
@Justneedtokno. Believe it or not I am trying to help. If you have a longtime family male friend, a guy might just have to sick it up. Of course this depends on how much interaction you have with this guy friend.
Relationships are about intimacy and exclusivity.
I've only had 2 girlfriends in my life. Both were and are long relationships and I've never hooked up. Not every guy out there only wants hook ups. I will say though that the majority of PEOPLE (not just guys) in this world are not really philosophical or intelligent. Most behave for immediate pleasure and don't think about what makes them happy in the long run. Most people are not introspective enough to see how to better themselves and any time someone disagrees with their perspective or finds something about the person they don't like, they shut them out of their life. The key to finding someone great that is willing to stick it through thick and thin with you is honestly to better yourself and your views on life. Birds of a feather flock together. The better you are yourself, the better energy you'll attract.
Absolutely well said!
No its not as long as you find a partner that wants the same! If he doesn't want to commit you know he's not the man for you.. can't change someone! If anyone expects you to compromise cause your being selfish cause you dont want to share your man then you know thats a waste of time for both of you.. so figure out what the other person thinks about committed relationships before you get too invested. Then if they want an open relationship say well I hope you find that! I am not the lady for you... Good luck! I litterly asked that before asking about his job or anything.. just asked him how are you before hand.. if you dont see eye to eye there's no point getting to know each other
Bad no… but men don’t care. Here’s what your in competition with… other women making all women look bad like divorcees that take a mans money and kids, feminists because if you fall into that mindset I deserve it’s hard to see the real truth… no matter what you think of yourself a man might not value you the same, gay is mainstream now and even just 4-5% of the population is a huge number of men off limits, mgtows that are off the market (seems to be approximately 40% of men not actively dealing a relationship… with the remaining men who’s out for just sex? Who don’t meet your standards? Who isn’t attracted to you? So what if there’s 2 men for every 1 woman looking for a relationship? Don’t mean you won’t feel 40% of men not interested in looking.
For me what rules apply to me apply to you. Most men are afraid of a woman who knows what she want and goes for it. Quite refreshing but shakes most men that think it is their domain to want a relationship and not the other way around. People forget not only guy think of sex and all the good stuff that happen but women think the same things guys do. A guy looks at a girls crotch and wonders what if looks and how it would feel girls look at a guys crotch and wonders how big and how it would feel.. So a dirty old mans advice is go for it and if it happen GO FOR IT
There is nothing wrong for women to want a relationship, just like there is nothing wrong with men to want sexual intimacy, however, want doesn't mean demand or deserve. The overall evolutionary truth is that sexual attraction follows the pareto principle, that 90 % of the women are attracted to the top 10 % of men, and by extension 90% of men are invisible to 90% of women. So it's the top 10% of men who have all the choices and the right to exercise those choices. They're not going to settle down, just because someone wants them to.
I think that it is not wrong for wanting a relationship. I mean everybody can't be the same. Some might want a relationship and some might just want to have fun but it is important to be you.
In this day and age I feel it is more important to be you and accept who you and what you are. So no it is not wrong
Feminists did women dirty, they tricked you into giving up all of the benefits of being a woman, encouraged slutty non commital behavior, then told you that big is beautiful trying to make you destroy the natural value that you're born with.
In the end what do women get out of the deal? To grow old and unhappy? To struggle through relationships, to wind up childless, single and miserable herding cats?
That is the future many have to look forward to today.
If this might be your future, you had best starting working damn hard to prevent it!
ME: "Are you hurting anyone?"
You: "No."
Me: "Then make a definite decision to get what you want. Not a decision. A definite decision."
You can have what you want but you need to make a decision first. You haven't made one. If you belief it isn't possible it won't happen.
It’s not wrong but it’s sad to expect a lot since dating isn’t like how it used to be and it’s scary to get your hopes up and be happy once things are going well and you find out he doesn’t wanna be serious or isn’t on the same page. I believe loyalty is tough to find.
Naw, YOU get to decide what's right for YOU.
There as just as many guys that want the same thing - you have to vet the prospect to find one worthy, on the same page.
Be up front about what you want, and stick to it.
And don't be going for the bad-boyz, the fukboyz, that are just in it for the sex.
It is hard wired into us to want a relationship.
The problem with modern Western women is that (Marxist) Feminism has taught women to loathe men and to go against their own female biology.
Women, as a collective, have chosen to become so hostile, obnoxious, insufferable and dangerous to be around that every day more men walk away and go MGTOW monk.
It is not wrong, in fact I have often wondered how people can do the sex with no strings attached. I get too attached myself and would feel guilty if I just used someone for their body.
I have never done it, I wouldn't even know how to go about it. When I was single I considered it and was clueless. I'm not a very out going person, the quiet shy type.
It takes a bit for me to warm up to someone but then I am fiercely loyal.
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