To be clear the diagnosis "sociopathy" doesn't exist on it's own. Instead it falls under the category of anti-social-personality-disorder. Some of it's diagnostic criteria can and surely makes being a good parent more difficult. However sociopaths are more than just a disorder and are just as much individuals as others. And thier symptoms can be more or less severe like with any disorder. While they lack in affective empathy some can actually from form an emotional attachment to 1-2 people.
And even without an emotional attachment they can still be a good parent. They're used to fake love and empathy. While they may not love their children it doesn't necessarily prevent them from treating them well and making them feel loved. They might see raising a child like someone would view a pet that brings them joy or they might view them as a personal project they want to turn out well. If the child's physical and emotional needs are met, no abuse or the like is going they do a good job as parent regardless of their motivation in the end.
If you're not close to someone like a relative you saw once as a kid or a father that went to buy cigarettes when you were 5 and never came back why should you go to the funeral? If it's your loving grandmother with whom you spent a lot of time I get why they'd be pissed. Funerals are as much if not more for the living than the dead
That's a huuuge step. Not being social doesn't make anyone a serial killer lmao. People who don't like kids and don't enjoy family if anything will be more likely to neglected them if anything. And even those people can get a hold of themselves when having kids. Plenty of people are introverted and don't enjoy family activities with their relatives and still are good parents.
Also not enjoying social activities and being an introvert doesn't have anything to do with being a sociopath. And even those can have their own motivations to wanting to raise their kids well and happy.
I have far too much security camera footage of old psycho neighbors to prove otherwise. They always use their kids to cover their crimes and lie about it of course. Disgusting.
@Marushka When having lived it and survived people like this you see signs in others that fit the same mould. Not everything can be learned from textbooks or writings from police reports. Life experience is the real gritty details.
Lived and survived... I lived and survived such people and I was the fucking target of their crimes so don't fucking tell me about personal experience in that regard.
Depends how committed a parent they are. Whether their primary focus is bringing up the child as best the can, teaching them the best practice and morals they can, it whether they are just going to corrupt the child and pass on all their own misplace attitudes and behaviours.
Either way, there are going challenges for both child and adult.
Hmm mostly no. Sociopaths are unstable and have a lot of emotional disconnect however a Psychopath they would be because Psychopaths pretend to be normal therefore you wouldn't actually know the difference.
@Marushka Not true. That's psychopaths. Here are the traits for a sociopath Lack of empathy for others. Impulsive behavior. Attempting to control others with threats or aggression. Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others. Not learning from mistakes or punishment. Lying for personal gain. Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights. What about this would make a good parent? And remember if your a sociopath you will be showing these symptoms there is not some sociopath who don't show these traits out there.
I'll just leave this link if you read the differences between sociopath and psychopath you realise why one can be a good parent and the other can't. While a psychopath would still struggle to deal with a kid normally they can do a much better job due to the key differences that make sociopaths way more hurtful. www.betterhelp.com/.../
No, sociopaths as well can go unnoticed as well and some psychopaths can be very bad at hiding themselves. Sociopaths are wearing masks just as much. While on average they might be worse in keeping it up there's still many who will be able to go through their lives completely unnoticed. I know people who are diagnosed and go unnoticed unless you know them well or spent enough time with them. People are more than just their diagnosis and are individuals first and those symptoms can be more or less severe and no you don't need to fulfill every single one to the extreme. That's not how diagnosis or mental illness works.
It all depends how their symptoms manifest and how they deal with them. How self aware they are and a lot of other factors. If they have an interest in raising a child well for some reason they can absolutely be good parents. Even if they show those symptoms it doesn't necessarily mean they'll target their child with it or have absolutely no self restraints. While they definitely aren't predestined to be good parents it doesn't mean they can't be.
Mental illness of any kind isn't black and white. That's also true for ASPD
That article was written by an English major and doesn't include any studies or references to any scientific works. She doesn't seem to understand the topic beyond a very superficial idea and her sources are largely other layman articles or very superficial articles also written for layman. The only proper thing she lists is the diagnostic criteria from the DSM 5 and that's not really useful without proper context for a layman. The topic also isn't the area of expertise of the woman who reviewed the article, not not mentioned that "reviewed" these days can mean she just barley took a look at it.
@Marushka Yeah I am sure your more qualified, I should really listen to some random replying to my opinion over the shit tons of information I've read on it by tons of people, not to mention my mother was a literal psychologist and I've always been interested it myself. This is like you saying depressed people aren't depressed, people with disorders show clear symptoms of their disorders that's how we figure it out in the first place and they have to meet a certain criteria to be so otherwise they are not it.
People who are diagnosed but go unnoticed? Yet are diagnosed... therefore not going unnoticed. And yes symptoms can be less severe or more extreme I never said they couldn't. But no matter how severe they have to show key traits. And key traits of a sociopath? are not healthy ones nor healthy for a child to experience.
You don't need to be convinced by what I say and we don't need to agree on anything in the end. I'm not saying they aren't depressed or that they don't show symptoms but in society sociopaths as well as depressed people can go unnoticed. Sometimes they can even hide their issues from friends and relatives. That doesn't mean they don't experience or have those symptoms. I never said that.
@Marushka If they have such symptoms isn't not a thing that can just be hidden since they are naturally impulsive it's the same with Bpd which I've had tons of personal experience with if you stay around them they will show themselves due to they cannot handle when it gets to much for them. It's super hard to go unnoticed when impulsive, a depressed person may or may not be impulsive and depending on which will help them hide it. But a sociopath has to be impulsive by the nature of been one. But I think also a lot of confusion really stems from the fact the definitions of Anti-social personalities are changing all the time. You can find one thing argue one way and the other argue another along with they jeep wanting to categorise it different. Them movies and stories confusing them. And I am sure even I could be mistaken because it's mess honestly. But I've read and seen a lot evidence that socio are often the ones to be impulsive and get into trouble compared to psycho and reasonable logics to why that is. And it's very common for psychopaths to go undetected to the point they think a lot more is out there than predicted. But then when I look into such things about sociopaths it's always they cause more problems due to impulsivity and are way more likely to get arrested for a crime and be diagnosed.
I'll preface this by saying I am on that spectrum somewhere, but not full on. I can't relate to a child, they aren't consistent enough to predict, and if I can't predict something, I can't properly fake what I need to. If I could greater understand the way they think, I think I'd much better be able to parent properly. Though I guess a predictable child's a bit of an oxymoron.
They can certainly be a good person/parent most sociopaths goes unnoticed in society. You only hear about the bad ones. And that is a tiny fraction of the total number.
Ah your thinking of psychopaths there the ones that go unnoticed as they pretend to be normal as they know they aren't like other's and aren't normal. Sociopaths however cannot pretend since they are impulsive, and often think they are right no matter what, often thinking of themselves as the victim and they have a lot of emotional disconnect that leads to erratic behaviour. Therefore it's easy to find out someone's a sociopath, but hard to tell someone is a psychopath since unless that psychopath tells you they are they will act to normal to tell.
There's impulsive people who isn't sociopaths. And you seem to describe a lot of modern womens by that statement. It feels like that behavior is encouraged these days. Ie victimhood, blaming other, not taking responsibility for their actions, any repercussions is voilence and oppression. Even if it is just words.
Brings up the differences between sociopaths and psychopath to be informative, guy replies with a sexist comment about women. Should've seen that coming lmao.
It's nothing sexist about a truth, I didn't say all women after all, But you must have been living under a rock to not meet the type. So either they are sociopaths or I am right that there is plenty out there that can be good people/parent and still be fucked up in one way or another.
A lot of modern woman is sexist you don't have to say all. The fact you also put a time period to it is also a sign of your clear bias views. One you said that I know the exact type of person you are and I don't care for you views much. I was just trying to explain what the difference between the two was then you came out with your own personal bias views on some other topic. So I guess I've said all I needed to, and you can keep talking about the "Truth" but I didn't reply for that kinda convo.
Oh so you are judgmental, and put people in boxes. And if you hear something you don't like. You act like the three monkies. You assume everyone that actually experience the same thing is the same in all other regards. Way to go. You will end up in a ecochamber with that attitude.
Nope I just don't like been straw-manned into an entire other argument which you are still proceeding to do. My reply had nothing to do with women nor echochambers or whatever bullshit you are talking about right now. I was simply explaining the difference between sociopath and psychopath.
And I am saying it's more complex then that. Which is why you can't exclude them from potentially be good parents. The odds might be worse but they are still there.
The odds really aren't though there is nothing psychologically that say's a sociopath would be a good parent and there is tons of evidence that they wouldn't be. You get diagnosed with sociopathy you will not be a good parent. It would be like saying if you have depression you could be potentially not depressed that don't make sense. A sociopath is the same it has certain traits that it must include and the ones it does, does not make for a good parent. Again though psychopaths would be fine.
Of course sociopaths can pretend to be normal. Yes they're impulsive by nature and more likely to get themselves into trouble but that doesn't mean they are completely out of control. Some are easier to spot while with some you'd never be able to tell.
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