Is it a man’s role to provide for his family?

[Charliefretz329]

Yes

No

[RebelinSteel]

Maybe like a 80 years ago or something. There is no ‘you must be the sole bread winner’ . The realistic thing with house prices, mortgages is that you need a joint income, both need to be earning cash and not just one person. That couple with companies closing down that were the main engineering or guy type of companies where historically it was an all male workforce, with these going, men found themselves unemployed and relying on their partners money. These days it’s both working and it is a coin toss on who brings in the larger salary.

[Unit1]

Let's hear them say "yes" while we struggle to pay rent and food. Even with a bachelors degree in IT. I recommend to get comfortable with it.

[LazerBean]

Damn, shoulda went to trade school

[Unit1]

@LazerBean Or oil rigs. I am thinking if it's worth considering it now

[LazerBean]

Oil rigs are good if you are okay with the extremes. For something little less wild and gross, you could go welding. A lot of our friends think we are living it up, but we have a friend who started welding at 16 or 17 and he is definitely the one living it up.

[Unit1]

@LazerBean How do I start?

[LazerBean]

Well the way he did it, he went to welding school and then spent about 2 years of his teen life focusing on trying to be the best.

[Unit1]

@LazerBean Seems certainly more useful than writing code on a computer, that nobody will see or use. Maybe I should start applying for welders for the military. Germany lacks in sufficient arsenal and right now it seems like the best time to get started.

[LazerBean]

It might be a better fit for you, plus free classes in a guaranteed job

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

Welding is a fantastic trade!. It can be used across many disciplines. Agriculture, custom auto body, machinery, and automobile repair, in my favorite: custom bike building :-)

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

Let's not forget the world of craft beer and distilling. All of that beautiful equipment requires welding, and a high degree of precision.

[Unit1]

Right. until then no girlfriend for me 😎

[LazerBean]

My friend makes the big bucks by being underwater welding certified. Pretty scary, but that's why it pays. He still has the same girlfriend that he started out with before he ever went to welding school, too.

[Unit1]

@LazerBean great. Then that means i only need to find a good girl, that isn't an immediate gold digger. I'm sure they are aplenty. They need love too i'm certain.

[LazerBean]

You might have a tough time with that one

[Unit1]

@LazerBean that's regular dating. I've seen some blue anonymous suggesting that it's much easier with transgirls. Something to consider.

[LazerBean]

I think dating a tranny would probably be a good choice for you and those blue anons.

[IslaTheWitch]

It depends on the agreement inside the relationship.

But in today's world, where education and jobs are available for everyone, no one can force us to be the sole provider or stay at home. We all have a choice.

[Apple1996]

Ofc if he cannot provide then he isn't a real man. Real men step up and provide for their families

[Anonymous]

Like the smell of old gym clothes, men were indeed expected to provide for their families. It's like they were the pig that kept the family's financial situation in check. The world was just too dangerous for a sheep to go gallivanting around with gold in her purse.

Nowadays, many people smell the fishy aroma and cheap perfume in the air, with women entering the workforce and men taking on more responsibilities in the household.

It's not about who can belch the stinkiest or fix garbage disposal anymore, but rather about who can hold down the job. If a woman can sleep around and get promoted, then she should be kind enough to financially support a pair of sweaty balls at home.

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

For me, it's to be an example for our children. I work and contribute financially, but I would certainly need to have a couple of employees also earning money for my consulting business if I were to try and "match" her income.

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

For what it's worth, I did vote yes. If something occurred to her job, or within our family/marriage, I could definitely step up and earn more if needed. I would not have as much family time or flexibility as I do now.

[dustybiker2]

I think the couple decides this. Everyones different.

[aceleon]

providing is not a masculine trait.

look at male animals, none of them provides anything, they just mate and go live their lives, the key prupose is spreading genes not becoming a wallet boy.

[rosemilk]

it's the woman's and the man's role to provide for their family together...

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Provide protection, by default.

Financial stability, education for the kids and food on the table have to be a collective effort.

[exitseven]

Yes, irt is what separates the men from the people that just say they are men.

[Miah04]

Not anymore.

The economy is set up now where both need to work in most households

[Redstang88]

Reality is it’s hard to to support yourself on one income now, forget about it for a whole family. It takes 2 incomes to even think about getting ahead in this economy

[sawno]

Traditionally yes, in modern times its whatever the couple decides.

[LazerBean]

Traditionally, yes. Many men are too weak to do such now though.

[Redstang88]

Weak has nothing to do with it, it’s just not possible in this economy

[LazerBean]

My husband's been doing it since he was 18. I know a lot of families who do it. My dad did it virtually all my life. Then when he fell into bad health, my mom took over and did it. Is the average man today weaker and worse at providing than my mother? I would believe it. It takes a lot of mental strength to be financially responsible.

[Redstang88]

If you live out in the sticks maybe. But the housing market has near doubled in the last decade and wages have barely moved.
Responsibility is irrelevant if the required income to get into even a shitty apartment is double the standard “good” salary

[LazerBean]

But you're kinda proving my point. If what you say is true, wouldn't the intelligent and responsible thing to do be simply to move out of the city? Not sure what the justification is behind living in a crappy city and crapping conditions, when you could have a nice house in a nice neighborhood, in the nicest town for an hour for less. Hence why so many people here live well on half the income.

[Redstang88]

No you’re missing the point. If everyone floods out of the city into the boonies, prices go up and there’s still no work out there.
Thats been happening here since covid with everyone working from home, I make very good money and just had to move 2 hours out of the city just to be able to afford to RENT by myself. I’d have to go another 4-5 hours to afford to buy and there’s not a chance in hell I’d be able to support even one other person on what’s left over

[LazerBean]

See, you're having to use hypotheticals and "what ifs" make excuses as to why you refuse choose the same route as the men here what ARE capable of being providers.

[sawno]

You can't assume everyone on this website has the opportunities. A family home is half a million dollars in my country. And thats just a shitty terraced house, your single family homes are mansions here. There is a 3% chance of getting a house when single in the netherlands since we ran out of housing.

Ohio meanwhile? I could outright buy a house out of pocket in that region since its 5 times cheaper than the unreasonable standard my generation is expected to meet.

[sawno]

Oh and as a comparison since I know salary's pay a role, not only are the houses 5 times the price, salary here is half. So its effectively 10 times the price as it is over there.

[Redstang88]

It’s not hypothetical, it’s basic economics.
Even IF I wanted kids, I grew up with money very tight and would not put my kids through borderline poverty so their mom could sit on the couch watching tv all day

[itsclearlynicholas]

No. im glad in my lifetime so far, I haven't had to contend with that hogwash

[Anonymous]

Wages haven't kept up with the cost of living so it's unreasonable to expect mem to be the sole provider. It's a man's job to be a contributor.

[StarWarGirl]

Yes generally, no not always.

[NathanDavis]

that's the role of a parent

[laly520]

it is

at least for us

[elizamichale1]

I think we both hav a role n responsibility for it

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes.