Its a controversial topic among many, even in some Christians sects like the cult of Jehovah's witnesses that believe and declare that the Lord Jesus is only the Son of God, but not God himself. Only problem is they are clueless what Son of God even means.
The Son of God means that Lord Jesus is the image in human form of God The Father who is Spirit.
In this Mytake I will share 100% facts of God's word proving that the Lord Jesus is God. The Lord Jesus even boldly declare himself as I AM and the Almighty, terms only attributed to God himself.
A lack Of Understanding Of The Trinity.
Just because you don't comprehend the mystery, power and mind of a great God doesn't take away from who He really is in terms of his divinity and nature.
Let me make this clear, there is only one God, and Jesus is the word of God manifested in the flesh. This great God manifest himself as The Father, The Son And Holy Spirit, yet remaining as one diety all together operatering in distinct forms from his divine nature.
The Father God is supreme overall, The Son God is the redeemer and savior of all men through his blood shed on the cross, and the Holy Spirit purpose is to seal and guide Christians in all truth regarding God's word, salvation and also as the helper and comforter.
To use this analogy: Just like one tree has a trunk, branches and fruits or like liquid can be water, ice and steam its the same way with God.
God The Father isn't the Lord Jesus nor Jesus God The Father. They are distinct from one another just like ice and steam are distinct but of the same element, even so of the Godhead and divine nature.
God's Word Declares The Divine Nature Of The Lord Jesus.
When God appear to Moses on the mountain out of the burning bush to go deliver the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt, Moses asked God what is the name of the God that sent him. And God told him his name I AM.
The Lord Christ used that same name and title in reference to himself when He was on earth, that Jews wanted to stone him for it.
Exodus 3:13-14:
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.
John 8:57-59:
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
John 1:1-3:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:14:
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
** Like I said God The Father is Spirit as the Lord Jesus taught. And Jesus is his image.
John 4:24: (The Lord Jesus speaking)
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
John 14:8-11:
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
Colossians 1:15-19:
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell.
Colossians 2:9-10:
For in Him (Christ) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
Hebrews 1:5-9:
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again:
“I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.” And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.”
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
1 Timothy 3:16:
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
1 John 5:6-7:
This is He who came by water and blood Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
(The Lord Jesus speaking)
Revelation 1:8:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Conclusion:
I could have provided more scriptures to prove the divinity of Christ, but that's enough to prove it. As God's word declare Jesus was made lower than the angles temporary while He left his glory and riches in Heaven to take the form of a bondservent while yet maintaining his divine nature and die for our sins.
He is now back to his glorify state, sitting on the throne and being worship as the Almighty God in Heaven as it says in Revelation.
We as humans have extremly limited knowledge and understanding can't possibly understand the mind and power of an eternal all powerful, supreme, everlasting God. Nothing impossible with God.
He can be in a woman's womb, and yet still be God. So its highly arrogant and stupid to think you can compete and understand the mind of a God, when you can't even understand or slove a really complex math problem or formula. 😂
Isaiah 55:8-9:
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says theLord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
So all you Muslims, Jews, Jehovah witnesses and other cults that deny the divinity of the Lord Jesus have several seats and eat a slice of humble pie. Understand @ElissaDido? 😎
Contrary To What Many Say, The Lord Jesus Is 100% God In Human Form!
SO Jesus is God, and on earth he had a human body: he ate, slept, drank, like humans, and logically had to evacuate the food and the drink and go to the "toilets". So God defecates? Mmmmm Nah thanks.
Christians must understand that You CAN'T give us Bible verses to prove your point because we don't acknowledge the authenticity of the Bible, so rambling about it and throwing bible verses to our faces is useless and has 0 argumentative value.
Just because you see from your point of view doesn't change the fact of the matter wheather you like it or not.
I don't know what else I can do for you. I tired it all expect prayer which I will pray on your behalf later for God through the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the truth.
Because If you die in your sins just like all Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc that reject the perfect blood sacrifice of Jesus for sins on your behalf, then you will split hell wide when you die. You need to humble yourself and listen to the Holy Spirit and quit having a hard heart. 😊😊
Your argummentative technique is to say : Jesus is God because the Bible says so. But for us non christians we would say "And so What?". Following your logic, I can quote the Quran to prove that Jesus is not God, I can quote the Torah to prove Jesus is not God and I can quote Richard Dawkins to prove that not only Jesus is not God, but God doesn't exist all together!
HIspanic, I swear to God I really appreciate what you do, because I know you do it with good intentions, but it takes more than quoting a book to make someone believe...
The Qu'ran doesn't work because the Qur'an isn't the word of God. The Old testament clearly speaks of Jesus being God and crucified as a prophecy. And Richard Dawkins is a delusional moron.
Prove to me that the Bible is the word of God. Because I don't believe it for multiple reasons.
- The Bible of Today is not in its original language, every expert on exegesis knows that it's crucial to first and first most have the book in it's original language. Most Muslims in the world are not even Arab and don't speak Arabic (around 15% of Muslims are Arab) and yet all muslims around the world use the same Qur'an in it's original language (and of course they have the translation too next to it in Malay or Urdu or Woloff or whatever language they want) because no matter the text, the translation is ALWAYS an interpretation and not reliable as the original text.
- Even christians know that many books were left out of the bible
- The church kept the bible away from the masses for so long, God knows they might have done with it during all those centuries
- There are so many versions of the bible, it's insane
- The concept of trinity was theorised and added later on, years after the death of Jesus
- Constantine made modern Christianity, not Jesus. He made it in a way to appeal to the Roman pagans and other pagans by merging the original message of Jesus and the Pagan believes of the time. The council of Nicea marks the official date in which Christianity was corrupted once and for good.
If you study the history of the ROman EMpire and christianity, you would know that both used each other to get what they wanted. The Roman Empire was crumbling so they wanted to give it another breath by merging Christianity into it, and the church wanted to expand it's influence so they mad the pact, at the expense of the real message of Jesus. The church was ready to corrupt the teachings and saying of Jesus just for power and dominance.
I can agree that there are many false wicked translations. Its an agenda the Devil uses to water down God's word to trick people.
However, God promises to preserve his word for future generations. The NKJV version is beautiful and sounds inspired by God which is the one I use, unlike the other frauds of translations out there like the NIV, NLT etc.
Psalm 12:6-7:
The words of the Lord are pure words, Like silver tried in a furnace of earth, Purified seven times. You shall keep them, O Lord, You shall preserve them from this generation forever.
And I can prove to you the Bible is God's word because of the 100% pin point accuracy of prophecies spoken by the Holy Spirit through God's real prophets. I put the link up already. Read it and watch the documentary video. You have nothing to lose and everything thing to gain. ❤
Why would the version of the bible that you picked be the good one? What does it make it more legitimate over the countless other versions? If anything it's not in the original Aramaïc language of Jesus and it's not the oldest version of the bible, so already from a first glance it doesn't have ultimate legitimacy.
And you said Bible is true because it's preserved. Even many Christians and historians agree that the bible wasn't preserved. Especially when you know that the church didn't include books that didn't work for their agenda. And of course the fact that you even acknowledge that there are many versions of it and some you even despise. What proves that your version is the preserved version? If anything it's relatively recent.
The flawed versions rip complete verses out of the Bible. As I said God can perverse his word. Nothing is impossible with God. The NKJV comes directly from greek and Hebrew textbooks well translated.
And what makes you think Jesus defecates? You saw him do it? And even if He did what does it matter? You can't do anything about it. Its like you want God your way or the highway. Speaks volume of your arragonce.
I said He was made lower than the angles temporary right? And like I said what makes you think Jesus defecates? Jesus body wasn't a regular human body. He didn't have the curse of Adam and sin running through his viens. Meaning He never got sick, had no blemishes, nor could have foul smell on him ever since slthose things come from our sinful nature within us. Jesus had perfect holy blood in his body since birth.
Trust me, I read your all your "arguments" countless and many times since i was 13 , and Modern * Christianity is still very flawed and illogical and obviously a Roman pagan religion. I have more chances of becoming Jewish or Non Religious Deist than becoming Christian, Christianity and Logic are oxymorons.
Your ignorance is mind blowing.😀 Jesus isn't subject to death. He can't die nor be killed. He layed down his life on purpose for our sins.
John 10:17-18:
“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
For all those Centuries all the prophets were preaching about the Unity of God, from Adam, to Joseph and Noah and Abraham, then suddenly God changes his mind and becomes 3 in 1 ? Nah sorry even when reading the Bible it seems that God is schizophrenic, in the old testament he is obviously 1 (hence why Jews don't adhere to the trinity) and then in the new testament he becomes 3? Nahh.
Lol did you know that in the English language (as well as in the Arabic language btw)"Our" is a linguistic form of respect? I think you are not aware of this xD. Heck even Kings refereed to themselves as "US" xD If the trinity was in the old testament then Jews would believe in it. I'm sure they have more extended knowledge on Hebrew and exegesis of the Torah than you do.
It's called the "Royal We" Here you can read about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we I'm not even an native English speaker and I know this xD...
@ElissaDido: Do you remember when I asked you about a good guy in the community that did great things for others, and one night got drunk, and decided to rape and murder a woman. And I asked you will the judge be fair and good to let him go free because of his past good works? You said no.
Yet how is a righteous and Holy God fair and honest to overlook your sins and the sins of through history? You gave no response because you know in your heart that will make a God that doesn't care about justice therefore He will be wicked.
Don't lie, I do remember and didn't even reply because I went to study for my finals lol
My answer is: I don't know how God will judge, but I'm confident that God is Fair and the greatest of Judges, and it's not my business nor your Business to know how he will judge because we don't have God's complete wisdom.
Jews are going to hell because they know Hebrew and Torah better than you and don't believe in the trinity? And because they know about the "Royal We" that you obviously seem to have never heard about?
"My answer is: I don't know how God will judge, but I'm confident that God is Fair and the greatest of Judges, and it's not my business nor your Business to know how he will judge because we don't have God's complete wisdom."
What a cop out. Lol Smh.
My God is clear that He is a just judge unlike the god of Islam that doesn't care about justice.
Psalm 7:11: God is a just judge.
Nahum: 1:3: The Lord is slow to anger and great in power, And will not all acquit the wicked.
How can God be fair if you just say I'm sorry let me in your kingdom? You are probably going to be a judge one day, and I'm pretty sure if a criminal says I'm sorry you won't let him or her go unpunished unless you are extremly lawless and wicked.
Lol How on earth is this a cope out? So you are pretending to have God's knowledge and Wisdom? That's Blasphemy! How do you know that you will even go to Heaven? Maybe you are an asshole to people and God will send you to hell! Did GOD give you a secret book that tells you were each human will go?
You asking me how Muslims should deal with an assassin? Well Allah told us to follow the Shariah and to give a life sentence to the criminal unless the family of the victim forgives him. What will happen to the criminal in the afterlife? Well only Allah knows and I wll never dare to pretend that I have Allah's wisdom and play the Judge on his behalf. But Allah told us that Killing is a grave sin that can send you to hell. So yeah the Criminal did a grave sin and will most likely go to hell but only Allah knows best. I trust Allah and I leave it all to him because he is the greatest of Judges.
Allah is the most Just of Judges and the Wisest. In Islamic theology (a subject you obviously have no knowledge about) Allah has 99 names, including Al 'Adl (العدل) The Utterly Just.
I actually agree wholeheartedly with this. You're just citing quotes and throwing them out as evidence, as pure fact. It doesn't mean you're 100% wrong, just that that's not how to discuss in religious debates
"I have more chances of becoming Jewish or Non Religious Deist than becoming Christian, Christianity and Logic are oxymorons."
Not really. You don't want to become a Christian nor accept the light of God's because of your pride in your heart. Your sinful pride will be your down fall.
John 3:16-20:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
I'm not scared of the Bible just as much as i'm not scared of Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. I refuse to follow blind faith like you do. You didn't even comment about the Royal We you never heard of, maybe you should extend your knowledge in exegesis technique, early history of Christianity and the Roman Empire, techniques of legitimate argumentation that holds argumentative value, English language, and Hebrew language then come back to me and "Guide me".
@Maxemeister Exactly, when you debate religion, you have to do it step by step. I'm Muslim, so obviously to be throwing bible verses at me every time is useless, because i that case i can also throw at him Qur'an verses and argumentatively speaking we would be at the same level and the discussion will be sterile. When I discuss religion with Christians i don't mention Qur'an verses with them because they obviously don't acknowledge the Qur'an so it's useless (just like I don't entirely acknowledge the Bible). Christians on this site never understand this simple notion. For me to take in account all the verses he sends me, I have to believe that the Bible is the word of God. The bible says I'm going to hell? Well ok, whatever, I don't believe in the Bible, Brb in 2 weeks, I'm writing a book about how Hispanic Cool Guy is going to hell and that this is the word of God.
@Maxemeister I told him that it doesn't make sense that the Torah preaches unitarian monotheism and suddenly the Bible breaks the Abrahamic tradition by changing it to trinity, then he argues back by sending me an old testament verse referring to God as "Us" while totally ignoring the Royal We used in the Torah and English, Hebrew Arabic, Latin language and so on. So he is arguing about something without having the required intellect and tools to argue about them.
Ikr? These Bible verses are thrown around as life lessons and facts and they don't do anything for me, a non-Christian. So when people do stuff like this, I only see them as religious fanatics.
@Maxemeister The only time I use Qur'an verses is when I want to explain what I believe in OR when i discuss Islam with other Muslims because they acknowledge the Qur'an as a word of God and in this case I can use the Qur'an to, let's say, refute a practise they do (for example to refute the Shia self flagellation practise).
@ElissaDido: I want a simple yes or no response to this question and I promise to leave you alone regarding this topic.
When you heard the gospel for the first time in terms that you have fallen short of God's glory and sinned and that God sent his Son to shed his blood on the cross for your sins for you to be saved though Jesus and have eternal life through him.
Did you feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit testifying of Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the way to salvation is through Jesus? Simple yes or no. Don't give me the run around.
I see, when fail to argument on the basis of logic and reason , we start to pull out the emotional card. Appeal to emotions and not reason.
Anyways, to answer your question, it's a No. If anything I found it very silly that God would send his OWN SON to die. How is he just if he makes someone else pay for my sins? I'm accountable for my own sins and I should pay for my sins, not someone else, THIS is justice and fairness.
Also if you are referring to the original sin, I'm not born with , I didn't do the sin, Adam And Eve did, and God forgave in heaven and we aren't born with their sins.
"How is he just if he makes someone else pay for my sins? I'm accountable for my own sins and I should pay for my sins, not someone else, THIS is justice and fairness."
God in his love send his Christ as a substitute for our wrath to satisfy his justice for our sins we committed.
However, you desire a holy, righteous, perfect, just God and judge to give what you desereve fairly than fine, He will when He cast your butt in hell for you to pay for your sins as you desire.
And we all are born with the sin nature in us. Explain to me how a baby can die two minutes after being born? Because they have sin their nature. God's word says the wages of sin is death.
By the way go to sleep, its beyond your bed time in France.😛
Father Abraham would be happy that I'm following what he preached: Unitarian Monotheism , and not Pagan Trinity. Well if your God made you born with sin since you a re a toddler, then your God is unjust. I'm Glad that my God is fair and only judges my actions, not the actions of someone else. I have never seen a Judge in court asking to apply the death sentence on someone because their parent was a criminal, that Judge would be considered wicked.
How do I explain how a kid dies 2 minutes after birth errr you want to get medical? I don't know there are a multitude of potential reasons. Maybe the kid was born without vital organs? Perhaps his heart was not formed correctly, or maybe his lungs weren't?
You will be in hell for insulting God and taking partners in worship under the form of trinity.
"Well if your God made you born with sin since you a a toddler, then your God is unjust."
God doesn't make people born with sin, its inherited through Adam. Sin its in our nature. And I clearly said God is one. I don't believe in multiple gods like Hindu foolisness.
My arrogance? Who is the one telling the other that they are going to hell?
For God's sake YOU just said that you won the debate xD If anything you are the arrogant one and you can't accept the fact that your argumentation was really weak and unconvincing!
Oh god it took forever to read all this! first of all, I really don't know why @Hispanic-Cool_Guy starts a debate when he's so so weak in it. he has no argument, no logic, no intel about other religions. well, if you go with logic and science you can actually prove all religions wrong, because belief isn't logical. you just have to accept that. and anytime you people bump into a problem you play the we don't know the god is bigger than our underestanding card. and about the original sin, why only adam's sin passed into next generation? I think all of sins of everybody should pass to next generations. which means when jesus erased the sins 2 thousands years ago, the rest of the sins are piling up! Come on man. this is pure fairytale. You know, between the religions, you can really fast find out how christianism is weak. @ElissaDido I liked your argument. at least it had some basis. but I can prove you wrong pretty easily too. You said god is just so many times. the question is, ...
How did you find out god is just? there is no proof of that. only the versus of quran and bible and... but if somebody don't believe in them, you can't prove that. Actually the evidence shows the opposite. there is no just in this world. so how can you say god is just? and the funny thing is, if god doesn't be just, you can't prove anything else either. because in islam, you should believe in the main principles (unity of god - justice day - prophets) by your own logic and heart. and the only way is to prove god is justice, so because the world is unjust, there should be another world to make it even. and therefore there should be prophets to guide you. I believe in existance of god. I think there should be a creator for this world and it couldn't just happen (some people say it could) but I couldn't go farther than that. By the way I'm a muslem too, but i couldn't logically prove it to myself. as I said, religions are not logical. they're just some "I say so you should believe" stuff
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Lol So you mean to say that Jesus is God according to the scriptures? Sure, I can grant that (albeit tentatively), because the christians who wrote the book wanted to portray Jesus as such. There's no evidence that Jesus actually existed, much less that he was a god (when we don't even have evidence for a god)
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Catholic dogmas, this is what the trinity is. Non biblical beliefs, but let's try the theory out shale we.
The mosaic law is given by the almighty God JHVH also known as Jave or Jehovah for the American audience. The mosaic law statued clearly there is only one God and only one can be worshipped, JHVH.
Jesus agreed with the mosaic law, hence why it lived by it until his death, mosaic law.
1 Corinthians 8:6 Contemporary English Version 6 We have only one God, and he is the Father. He created everything, and we live for him. Jesus Christ is our only Lord. Everything was made by him, and by him life was given to us.
John 14:28 Contemporary English Version 28 You have already heard me say that I am going and that I will also come back to you. If you really love me, you should be glad that I am going back to the Father, because he is greater than I am.
John 20:17 Contemporary English Version 17 Jesus told her, “Don’t hold on to me! I have not yet gone to the Father. But tell my disciples that I am going to the one who is my Father and my God, as well as your Father and your God.”
1 Peter 1:3 Contemporary English Version 3 Praise God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is so good, and by raising Jesus from death, he has given us new life and a hope that lives on.
The Bible simply doesn't support the doctrine of trinity. Calling everybody else cults, doesn't prove your point or make you right.
14 million Jews, and 1800 million Muslims, and about 7 million Jehovah Witnesses are called cultist by you, because they are not Catholics - not exactly what Jesus said, you should say about those not sharing your faith.
Of course trinity also presumes the whole spirit is an actually person. No support for this in the scriptures.
Finally for obvious reason neither Jews nor Muslims believe in the new testament, neither does anybody else except for Christians. So to even bring them up as if, is nonsense. Only Jehovah Witnesses are of any significance here, and in this case they are actually right.
True, but then can you really say Muslims "believe in it" then? They also have a different account of the events in the old testament, and the Bible say they will be no others scriptures after it. Yet the Quran is scriptures written after the Bible and therefore by definition, in conflict with the Bible.
More so the teachings of the Quran is false, seen from a Biblical viewpoint.
You can't use the Bible as proof because we are trying to validate the Bible. Something that is being questioned can't be a source of facts.
Having said that God is not complicated yet the 'trinity' is, God is almighty yet Jesus isn't, God is all knowing yet Jesus isn't, God is all powerful yet Jesus isn't. Because they aren't the same being. Faith is not complicated, church is tho.
Hey dumbanddumber: No cutie, I’m on your side... I liked your post, ... all these reply’s on top of reply’s gets confusing... I was replying (once again) to Hispanic-wanna-be-cools statement, “the Bible is the word of god” - which of course is a crock of shit. As if! Poor thing has been brainwashed & is repeating that sad old tired narrative.
@Tamera952 Ow haha my bad then, you down to talk private about the subject? Would love to hear your points and thoughts. I so dislike this commenting system.
Jesus himself prayed to his Father. Impossible for him to be God. He is the Son. Why would God take form of a man when he created us? He designed us, He knows everything about us. Read Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus himself states that those who worship him and not God are workers of lawlessness, they think they are doing the right thing by worshiping him however, they are wrong. If Jesus was God then why would he pray to himself? It makes no sense haha.
I explained it already. I clearly said Jesus isn't the Father God, but rather the image of God the Father which is spirit. Jesus is God. Period. Read the texts I posted.
Wrong. Jesus never proclaimed to be God. Not once mentioned in the Bible at all. All things created through him because he was there from the beginning of creation - The first born of all creation which is why his sacrifice was the ultimate price paid to repay sin, death.
So when Jesus spoke of God as if he were someone else entirely, and when he said "my god, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?" he was speaking to himself? And that is even assuming God exists, and divine power exists, and what the Bible says is true... none of which have been proven.
Didn't I say He was made lower than the angles temporary? Even though He had God attritubes in his human form, He was restricted in other areas as for EX. not being omnipresent and all sovereign.
But since He went back to Heaven in his glorify state believe me He knows when He is coming back. Otherwise God The Father is keeping a secret from the Son, when clearly the Bible says God and The Son are one and Jesus has all authority and power.
It was you who stated outright that you took the Bible as it was with no additional interpretation to me. I'm disappointed. You're worse than hypocritical.
Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.”
Like I said Jesus restricted his complete divine nature while on earth but now is back to his complete nature as God the Son and has all power and knowledge of everything.
This is a really good question site that answers people's questions pretty good in My opinion.
I'm tired of posting scriptures all day. This site will answer your question for you. Be bless.😊
@ElissaDido: I prayed for you already.💙 I'm believing God for a miracle that you will soften your heart and listen to the conviction of The Holy Spirit knocking on your heart to recieve Christ as Lord and Savior and become a Christian. I believe it will happen! 💖
Hebrews 3:7-9:
Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years.
@ElissaDido maybe. But what I mean is that islam, Christianity and Judaism are directly in a race to see whos right lol
And islam being relatively a new religion it's the most prominent when it comes to underming jesus. Otherwise there would be no need for islam if it didn't bring something new to the table. You'd all just follow Christianity
Muslim theology represents Unitarian monotheism like Judaism, while Christian theology places God in Trinitarian monotheism. In this aspect Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is. So how is this new considering that Judaism is much older than Christianity?
Hey Tripleace, I agree with you... I was replying to Hispanic-wanna-be-cool statement; “Jews too. Jews are lost” ... which is retarded & just more dumb shit on top of already dumb shit. All the ‘religions’ accomplish basically the same thing, which is control (& confusion)... you’re right that Islam is especially wicked & in particular the most restrictive & pathetic.
God stands alone! I've said this before and I'll say it again:
"He is God, The One. God does not depend on anything and everything depends on Him. He is not the father of any son, nor is He the son of any father. And there is none like unto Him.
John 3:16-17 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Now tell me how Jesus is god if Jesus is the son of god that was given up to the world? If Jesus is god then why didn't it say god gave himself up? The reason is because Jesus is not god.
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Contradictory biblical passages in your own take? For shame. Jesus is imaginary and so is your imaginary friend God.
@SteppingOnRoses I am not denying his right say his opinion.. I am just simply saying mine. Christians say that Jesus was God , some say he was son of God , others say he has a double nature and yet any simple logic would say that there were messengers on earth but there never was a God on earth ! God also doesn't need to have a son to be born as an infant of a human womb ! then after he grows up to be half human and half God , he gets crucified by some weak jewish suckers and the Roman ! For what? for salvation of the human race ! which after 2000 years you can't see that race has been salvated after all !!! I mean come on !!
you are intitled to your opinion and I dont want to enter a theological match with you since i know i can't make u agree with me and u can't make me agree with u. so thats that.
@SteppingOnRoses Lol , Or you can say that you can't fight with me.. I would crush you like dried tree leaf.. Be honest with yourself and be aware of where you stand.. it is not shameful to realize how small you are compared to me 8) ! Sorry if my words hurt :( !
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