What Think Ye of Romans 1:26-27 from Christian Scripture?

[Phanta]

Hogwash

Its meaning is unclear

Its meaning is crystal clear

I'm undecided

[MysteryPerson70]

this is my type of question. the word of God says this "But the natural man recieveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishnesss unto him: neither can he know them, for they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."
(1Corthians 2:14-16)

also God Almighty himself said while he was on his earthly ministry
"But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)

and again in verse 17 where God (the Father which IS Jesus Christ, i would be happy to show you FROM SCRIPTURE how these things are so) says that it's the Spirit of truth and that the world cannot receive him because it seeth him not neither knoweth him. more could be said on this but basically , it ties in with 1Corthians 2:14-16. if they have not the Spirit of truth, they cannot understand God's book.

i do not want to make a mega essay of my answer. but know that this is not my opinion. why? because the King James Bible is my final authority, my single standard, therefore i answer the best i can according ot what the scriptures say. i'm a King James Bible believer you see, and God gave me a true blessing by giving me the knowledge and understanding of the scriptures.

[Massageman]

You really have to start reading this passage from verse 18 and go to the end of the chapter (verse 32) to get everything set in the proper context. Reading it a few times- and possibly by comparing Bible versions- things will clear up for those who are uncertain about its' meaning.

[jennifer_bloom]

I don't know if its true for all homosexuals but I believe a lot of homosexuals became that way because they were abused or betrayed or neglected by a same sex parent. I knew one guy who is gay and his father was very rich and good looking and cheated on his wife every single month during their entire 34 year marriage. He would be rude to his dad out of his sense of loyalty to his mom and then his dad wound punish him for telling his dad he didn't love him by withholding affection and care from him. I know another guy who was gay. His mother died when he was 10 and his dad was too busy trying to heal his own wounds to care for his remaining two children and then married a new woman to help him cope with his loneliness and the new mother hated his two children because they were a constant remainder that her husband was married before - he even kicked out one of the children out of the house at his wife's request. I believe this man became gay because he felt neglected by his father at his greatest time of need. I don't know if its correct say that homosexuality is punishment for having perverse desires - but you could say it is a result of not going to God with your emotional trauma and looking for relational solutions to the voids in your life instead.

[slatyb]

You can believe what you like but there's no evidence to support your belief. People are essentially heterosexual or homosexual from birth.

[Darklydarkened]

Sexual preferences aren't some reactions to parents.

[btbc92]

Very clear. So all those who say homosexually and fornication is not a sin. READ IT AND WEEP people. It's right there. Love that scripture. Speaks truth. Just like Proverbs and Psalms.

[mistixs]

The verse didn't say that women "changed the natural use into that which is against nature" WITH each other. It could easily be referring to anal sex, & the verse afterwards is also about men engaging in anal sex with one another.

[btbc92]

@mistixs It applies both ways. It tells you in the first paragraph. Against natural use, refers to having sex with the same sex, not just oral or anal sex. Men don't have vagina's. Homosexual sex is both anal and oral sex besides having sex with the same sex. God is not stupid. Not confusing. People need the holy spirit and stop trying to add and take away the word of truth.

[mistixs]

You're the one adding to it because it doesn't say that women are "changing the natural use for that which is unnatural" WITH each other.

And oral sex isn't unnatural, at least on women. God designed the clitoris for a reason: to be stimulated, and the tongue is the most effective way to do that - it's the most effective method for a woman to orgasm.
Anal sex, however, is unnatural. Proof of this is in the fact that unlike the vulva, it doesn't lubricate when aroused, in order to make stimulation easier.

[btbc92]

@mistixs Oh it doesn't?

"26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." How am I adding?

[btbc92]

"for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" No you're just perverted with a lust spirit on you and you need the LORD. Lying on God and calling yourself CHRISTIAN? This is why I don't call myself Christian often. Are you sure you are with all that lust you have going on?

[mistixs]

It doesn't say that the women were engaging in relations with one another. It only says that the men were engaging in relations with one another, probably engaging in anal sex, which could be the unnatural act being condemned for women in v26.
It's understandable for God to strongly discourage anal sex. It's very dangerous. You can literally bleed to death from it

[mistixs]

"Lust spirit" honey I'm a virgin. I've never even kissed anyone. Compare to literally 95% of people my age who have engaged in sexual intercourse, and you call me lustful?

[btbc92]

@mistixs Lust spirit is on you. Putting all these sexual questions on here shows me you do have a lustful spirit. I am a virgin myself, even I know what that lust spirit is like. I had to rebuke it many times. "It doesn't say that the women were engaging in relations with one another."?

""for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" The first paragraph does say that. For even their WOMEN DID CHANGE? homosexuality anyone?

[Darklydarkened]

Your argument is amusing.

This is just some propaganda, to convince people that Romans are evil and Christianity is awesome.

Don't take it seriously. By the way, homosexuality is against the nature statement is just ignorence.

[btbc92]

No argument. God's word is law. Not Romans or Christinality. Christianity makes their own standards.

[btbc92]

You don't God or have a relationship with him. If you did you would know that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.

[Darklydarkened]

God's word, that is conveniently written down by some people.

What is your definition of God's word? Since you make it so vague.

By the way, in old testament, there are quite outrageous 'laws'.

Laws are created by humans to construct human societies. Suggesting some Jewish mythology should define what our lives should be, is just primitive

[btbc92]

Do you ever read the inserts of the Bible in the LUV? It is inspired by the Holy Spirit who is NOT A physical entity to physically write what we read and write. There is nothing convenient about the Bible.

God's word is exactly what the Bible says. It is written, in the beginning God created the Heaven and Earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis:1:1-2

That go to show you don't fully read the Bible. God created The law starting from the beginning of the word what you just read from Genesis all the way to the end of Revelation. Now if you want to refer to the 600 plus laws, you should know that it is a mixture of God's law and the laws of Moses and Aaron. That was not outrageous for the sake of it being outrageous. The Lord revealed that we as human beings are in sin and we cannot enter Heaven with that sin. He made it very clear that the punishment for sin is death.

That's why people who had sex outside of marriage was stoned to death. That's why those who practice witchcraft, so saying, when mediums, Etc was Driven from the land or they too would have been stoned to death. Because now you have turned the place into whoredoms, and a place that dishonors the Lord. That's why there was lots of rapes, robbery and killings. Because of the demonic spirits that Ruled the Land because they did not heed to the word of the Lord. New things at the time was meant to keep them in check because they was heavily in sin. That's why Jesus had to come, because by us living in sin nature because it became part of human nature, we would not be redeemed and be condemned to hell. How was never was supposed to be a place for human beings. It was supposed to a place for Satan and his fallen angels that have rebelled against the Lord be at.

[btbc92]

Kjv* omg these typos...

It was not primitive way of thinking. They had far more advanced technology that we are using today. How do you think you know how to hunt, know how to make weapons, know how to tell the signs of the seasons, and read the stars? Because all that knowledge that we have came from where? It came from heaven. How do you think we as man know about the human biology and the biology of other living creatures? Because that also came from heaven. It was stolen knowledge that the Fallen Angels had taken with them and taught man so we can kill each other. Because we had no knowledge apart from what was given to us. That's why the word of God is very clear when God made statement that his people perish for the lack of knowledge. We never needed any of these things. Except for materials and herbs to help bus live effectively and efficiently as the Earth is supposed to grant us. That's why the Greeks in the ancient Romans called this place Mother Earth. Because the Earth is supposed to cradle us, and nurture us. And God supply all our needs. So maybe you better recheck your way of thinking before you start talkin about what is primitive. They were far more civilized than a lot of these people are today. It was not perfect, it was not easy way of living, but it was hell a lot better than what we have going on in this 21st century.

[btbc92]

So why you saying what you're saying not only shows ignorance, but it's very disrespectful and offensive to every person that believes in some form of a god or higher form of power other than us in general. Not just God. Don't pick and choose what belief system you like and say you don't like. If your going to judge 'religion', judge them ALL. But you can't judge God.

[btbc92]

Hell*

[Darklydarkened]

I did read the bible.

And thought that Silmarillion is a better example of fantasy literature.

What amazes me that you expect people to accept what's written in those books.

It is 'inspired' by the Holy spirit, huh?

Why it is so hard for you people to even consider it was just maded up?

[Darklydarkened]

But why am I bothering to explain reason to someone who thinks stoning people who had sex without marriage was just?

[btbc92]

That's the problem with you people. It's not a fantasy novel. If that's the case and everything we have in history text books is a fantasy novel as well. Because we wasn't there for us talk about what's real or not.

Why is it so for you to understand spiritual things as a carnal person? Because you're not spiritual person. And he makes it clear that carnal people will never understand spiritual things. You have no reason because you don't understand what reason is. Sex before marriage is a sin for a reason. As I said many times over the years and over these past months. Sex is a marriage and marriage is about having sex. Is not about pleasure, is not all about fun, it's about becoming one new person in both mind body and spirit. Is supposed to honor and Worship the Lord. It is not meant to be worshiping you and your flesh. That's why this way of thinking in this world is so backwards. That's why divorce rates are up, that's why there's so many rapes, that's why there's so many molestations, that's why so many people are in a sexual rut, that's why so many of your men have to take Viagra and can't get it up before you even 30 which is very sad indeed, that's why it is so many cheating going on, and why people are getting killed. because you don't take the Bible seriously and you haven't been taught properly. As I stated before. It was done to prevent whoredoms and to spread generational curses on families in from the descendants of those people who fornicated. Why you think so many people can't even keep their penises and it pants, and why some women can't even keep their legs closed for the hell of it?

[btbc92]

Because they are cursed and they lack self-control because of the choices of their own ancestors, as well as a grandparents and their parents as well. When curses are not broken and you want to know why your own children and having sex before marriage as young as five-years-old. And please don't tell me that don't happen because I know of people who did. That's why the cursed keeps getting worse, and it applies to everybody.

Maybe you don't want to get saved and you don't want to change your life, because you think you're not doing anything wrong. But think about every choice you decide to me you are still hurting other people.

God is our father, and he is not just some God to be worshipped. He is a God and Lord that is worthy to be praised. When you don't have a father in your life physically to take care of you, that's where God comes in. He teaches you and chastise you in a way that you should go so that you can lead a fulfilling life. He teaches you how to treat a woman properly, he teaches you how to raise your children, he teaches you how to be a father if you would, father, he teaches you how to respect your fellow peers, he teach you how to respect and honor the authority figures that are head over your life, he will teach you how to build your finances, he will teach anything that you treat designed as within your jurisdiction to know. When you get good people in your life that wants to help you oftentimes they are from God himself. Because he wants to see you say that he wants to see you do right by others especially when he has a purpose for your life. Everybody in this Earth has a purpose, out of all the sperms and eggs that died out, we are the ones that were chosen to do what needs to be done.

[btbc92]

I got a calling in my life and you have a calling in your life. But if you waste your life on foolish next, and being selfish, and fulfilling the lust of your flesh you going to be a miserable man. While all your friends are partying, drinking to death, having sex with different people, going on cruises, going on vacation, going on exhibitions and everything else you ever dreamed in life you're the one that stuck at home, jealous, on a 9 to 5 job, and hardly have anything going for yourself. Because that's the life you chose. Be out of choice or because you have no choice.

[Darklydarkened]

You can crosscheck history with different sources.

And historians tend to say 'OH, so that's what the real thing was' when somebody corrects their error.

When you just assume everything a book that's written about two milleniums ago contain all the answers and people must accept it as the truest form of law.

I understand your 'spiritiuality' well enough. Its for stupid people. Sorry but it is. It's awfully vague, not very convincing to a critical mind, open to interpretation, directly contradicting with solid facts about a lo tof matters and is just a burden to human enlightenment

And you're demented. And people like you are dangerous to humanity.

[btbc92]

A lot of people don't work hard for what they have, they have to steal or try to bring somebody else down just to make it up the pyramid. A whistle smart as a civilization, and claiming how we don't need no God, then how in the world are we going to try to turn to the government to fix our problems when we should be fixing our own problems? And what makes it worse, we can't even fix those problems? Because most of our problems are not physical, their Supernatural. What do you believe there are demons or Spirits or not is irrelevant. As a human being, you are born with a body, a spirit, and a soul. Your body dies, but the soul and the spirit lives. So where are you going to go at the end of your life when it ends? Not going to just depend some void or some LifeStream like what they say in Final Fantasy 7. Your eithergoing to heaven or hell and that's as simple as of that. You cannot get no proof of Supernatural things unless God wants to reveal it to you or you ask of him. You got to make the effort to want to seek his truth for yourself and show yourself approved in your own heart. Because he knows the heart of man. So anything you think he's going to know. He knew you before you were even born into this life. He knows what plans he has for you. But if you don't want that blessing it will go to somebody else who does. We experience the fullness and the greatness Our Lord. He is a forgiving and loving God. And you said you got that you know you need to repent of he can take it away in a minute. Sure you have to deal with the physical consequences of those sins. But it's better to be forgiven then to learn the truth the hard way when you die.

[btbc92]

That goes to show you how much have issues you. Who you calling demented, and you have no solid facts about anyting, and there's no such thing as human Enlightenment? That goes to show you how they deceived and how stupid you people are. You're not convincing to a critical mom because you're not critical minded either. You think everything is open to interpretation and it's not about yours or my interpretation. It is the way it is. YouTube people that are dangerous to humanity. You're the one that is reaping, taking women and girls that you are not legally married to to have sex with, causing divorces, cheating on them, think you're entitled to everything when you're not, and think the world owes you things and you don't deserve them. Who's the demented one? Like I always ask you people. If you have so much answers has been fix this problem. Get rid of cancer. Get rid of death. Get rid of rapes, and murder, and stealing. You can't get rid of it because you don't know how or you just don't care.

[Darklydarkened]

It must be quite miserable to be so out of touch with reality and deep down, being aware that you're living a life that is completely against reason and your own nature as a human being.

Not even sad for ya, you really don't deserve slightest sympathy

[btbc92]

Oh I'm very much in touch with reality. It's you people who are not in touch with reality because you don't care what goes on around you. It ain't against my nature as a human being. That's in. It's miserable living this life knowing that I am capable of murder, hurting you, hurting your family and also few things and yet you want to talk about human nature? Then we should not have jails then. Because it's human nature to murder. Then we shouldn't condemn people who cheat, cuz it's human nature to have sex with different people. Then we shouldn't condemn men and older people who want to have sex with children. Because it's human nature to go after for what you like. You don't see how stupid and out of touch of reality you sound. They are laws for a reason that everybody must follow. No matter who makes them will permits it. You are asking for a lawless Society, but they want to complain about the government and what they don't do. You need to be responsible for your own actions. You tell them about how I don't deserve the slightest sympathy. Then he did do I have sympathy for you people who died in end up in those positions.

[Darklydarkened]

You don't even care about being logical.

Just holding on to a dogmatic mindset, because it gives comfort and glorifies you as a person of salvation.

You're accusing everybody of everything. Claiming people must be like 'you' or they're just evil.

What was that verse or Ecclesiastes? 'All is vanity'

Quite the word that explains you

[btbc92]

Oh I care about being logical very much. So much so to know to get away from people like you who don't know what the hell you're doing. Or you do know and you don't care. I ain't cleaning for people to be just like me. I call for people to be like Christ. And if nobody wants to be like Christ, that is on them. I will be with people who shares my mentality and desires what I desired as well. This ain't no dogmatic mindset. That is what you have as a mindset. I don't got no vanity. But love for the Lord. You just mad and bitter because you can't live your life fully what I have into giving into your flesh and then you want to complain when you're not getting what you have to get done in your life. I know of people like you because that's all you people like to do. You want to bring me down and be miserable like you because you don't got God. All you got is yourself and it would nobody cares, and they want to leave you alone to be in your misery then you want to complain to other people about your misery.

[btbc92]

To stop downgrading people, and trying to make them to be lower than you because you're low yourself. Your personal issues have nothing to do with me. Whatever problems you have with God and what he says in his work you take it up to God. Don't take it up with me because I am not God and I am not your God. I am my own person trying to serve the Lord and try to live life right until is my time for me to leave this Earth so I can get out of this crazy world that you people considered to love so much. All I ask for is peace in my life like I always ask for my entire life and all I keep getting my entire life, is envious people like you. Your just a toxic person to be around.

[Darklydarkened]

Christ was a jew, by the way. Wasn't even a Christian, his whole story is an imitation of Homeric Epic and pretty much anything you read from the gospels are made up to convince pagans

If you're so 'logical', you'd know this.

But again this will be followed by a redundant comment that explains how cool God is and how sinful we are and how our souls yearn godliness

[btbc92]

Makes me wonder if you really have any friends because it's very clear you have no respect for the people. At least I have friends who don't treat me like you do, and many of them are not Christian. Some of them are atheists. Like I told you before, I ain't claiming for people to be just like me. The last thing I want is another person to be like me and having to deal with the problems and hardships I had to go through my entire life. If anything I want the best for their life. But I can't force them to live a life they don't want to live. So if you people want to suffer than suffer. I don't have to suffer with you miserable people.

[Darklydarkened]

This is why we think Americans are retarded in Europe

[btbc92]

No that's full of your BS because that's what you think and you don't even bother to care to get to know the real Jesus. Christ may be a Jew, but he also cares for those who are Gentiles and still want to be involved in the movement of his kingdom. His story is not an imitation of anything. Other religions or religious and general wants to do so because why? All religion is not of God. God can care less about religion. He cares about your soul and what you are going to do. And if you want to be in hell for your choices that's on you. You send your own self there. I ain't going to be there with you people.

[Darklydarkened]

Seriously. There is a huge scientific debate about the origins of Mark and his following buddies who built the story of Jesus.

And evidence suggest, Jesus' story is a rip off from Odysseus, the great hero of the Greek mythology

[btbc92]

No that's why in Europe your country is burning down because you're in grave sin, and this country is in no better position than you are. Every nation on this planet is going to handle the weight of judgment because not one nation have turned to him and ask for forgiveness. And we are all paying the price. You people are backwards. America is following suit because of what you people instilled for Generations. And now this land is cursed even more what is bad enough has been stolen from the Native American people. So if you want to talk about history, you better double check your facts. Because I have Native American in my family.

[btbc92]

Nobody gives a damn about some scientific debate this is not about some debate. It's about the truth and nothing but the truth. And your version of Truth is not my truth of what I know and what we know as a witness and a testament to Jesus Christ. We don't care for your evidence. Because I told you before as you don't want to listen, we have experienced the Lord for ourselves. There are plenty of us that has been healed with a doctor's condemned us to death until it is impossible for us to get cured, there are plenty of us who have loved ones who have been on a bad path and was able to turn a life around when they could have been killed or had were situation happen in their lives. God can do many things if we allow him in our lives. This is not some rip off person from some fake character. He is a real person who actually walked this Earth and died and went where he had to go. That is a problem with you people. You think everything is a myth or a joke and then when history repeats itself you don't know what to do or you're arguing amongst yourselves. You know what God calls people like you? Do you know what anybody would come in since call people like you who wants to have some type of debate? A fool!

[btbc92]

This world is shutting down, and everything is not going to last anymore. Why do you think the storms come and weather has been so violent? As a victim of Hurricane Sandy, I think it's very clear to know what has happened with the state of the world. I pay attention to everything that goes on around me, because I am spiritually sensitive to these things. and everything that I have said plenty of times and prophesied before has come to pass many of times. Because I pay attention to the signs and what is going on while you people going about life blissfully unaware to the things around you, and when bad things happen you want to know why it happens. Because you don't freaking pay attention. You like a child that is rebellious and end up running in the street and got her big gets hit because you don't want to listen when your parents tell you not to run in the street. And like a child that is rebellious you still do it. Some you shouldn't even be alive right now and you better be thankful to God even have a life to live, and every day you have breath. The government even tells you to stop smoking yourself to death, and you don't even listen to them. So stop talkin about how God is a myth, and your way of thinking is so rational. Because if your way of thinking is so irrational, you would be even listen to the government when they trying to tell you certain things stop. How many you people don't even do it. So no. You people follow your own stuff into a rut, like blind mice. And then you expect somebody to get you out of it after you put yourself there.

[Darklydarkened]

'We don't care about your evidence'

Okay.

[btbc92]

Don't say okay oh, and you can't be responsible for what you say on here and what you do in your life. Do not say okay, when your new life is not in order the way it needs to be. Do not say okay, and you're unsatisfied with what you choose to do. So do not say okay. Because that is ignorance. When things go bad can't say nobody warned you.

[Darklydarkened]

You've really proven that you suffer from delusion, it's not fun when stupidity is caused by mental illness.

No need to argue

[btbc92]

Because you are responsible for what you know and what you refuse to learn. Because unlike you, I don't just read the Bible. I educate myself in many areas and I'll allow the Lord to teach me in areas where I do not understand. I do not lean on my own understanding. And when I did I learned the hard way. You may be my age, but you have a lot to learn. Serving God is hard, but not everybody is going to be able to serve him.

[btbc92]

So you think all this is fun? Who you callin delusional? If you think all this is fun you're delusional one.

[Darklydarkened]

Your pathetic claims about life was very funny and educational.

But looks like you suffer from severe mental instability.

Is tragic, not going to feed it with further challenging your 'reality'

Go speak to your god, say hi and ask him to never let Barcelona in the Champions League again

[btbc92]

No you just got a very dysfunctional mindset. And got serious personal issues about Christians and you got a God complex. Nothing tragic about me having a relationship with God. It's tragic with the fact that you don't and you think you're okay. You sound far more unstable than I do.

[Darklydarkened]

Sure

[Cammy137]

I think that taking any moral advice from a book that is blatantly immoral and heavily politicised (for the time it was written) is an unwise thing to do

[Darklydarkened]

This is a continuation to an earlier phrase. Paul is just trying to connect Roman mindset to godlessness and their tendency to be bisexuals is some infliction from God.

Usual Christian bullocks. Trying to shame and scare the society.

[CountessSarah]

It''s pretty cut and dry. A big part of the reason the bible is morally bankrupt and should be thrown out.

[ecfresh]

Paul is referencing isolators and worshippers of Cybele specifically. Only God is worthy of praise.

[OfDeath]

Ancient homophobia directed towards Romans. Pretty much it accuses all Romans of being fags and lezzos to the point god had given up on them

[slatyb]

WGAF? It's just one person's writing, and is useless for deciding modern social policy.

[mrkdvsn]

It clearly talks about the wickedness of homosexual behavior.

[JustWorthlessMe]

I think you should man up about your prejudices and stop hiding behind that nice book of fiction.

The fact that you obviously support Trump (don't bother lying) proves that the Bible only means anything to you when you use it as a prejudice shield

[Phanta]

So did Donald Trump write the Bible? Please help teach me what's going on here.

[btbc92]

He is not being prejudiced. Sin is Sin. People can do whatever they want. But I don't need to know who your screwing be it another man or a woman. Back in the day, people kept their sexual business at HOME, in closed doors. Trump has nothing to do with the Bible or God. They're all for Satan. And God will use anybody to allow these prophecies to come to past. And we're seeing the fall of mankind.

[incelsr]

yes gay people are stupid

[jacquesvol]

St Paul's Hogwash

[Poormanscomedian]

Homosexuality