They should be liberal... there conservative community is danger to world...
Why Muslims can't evolve islam with time and not follow stupid ancient rules?
They should be liberal... there conservative community is danger to world...
Well as far as i can see, you believe what only media shows you, or better way convince you. Everything you wrote is just what media always spots on to show people how muslim people are terrorists are hateful, are violent, while the truth? Its not like that at all, not even a 1 percent.
You see, you saw how Muslims killed a 3000 US soldier, but you didn't see how many thousands of innocent people, childs/women/old people, are killed every year, in advance to homes, properties destroyed, by th US soldiers, who fight for what? Because they're protecting the people? Or is it because they want set hands on petrol? For example, tell me, why US soldiers are always found where there's oil?
Islam is the most religion that gives rights to the females, but yet there's a lot of rumours to let people think that islam is wrong or doesn't give rights to women...
Hijab, is to protect the women, but yet Islam doesn't completely oblige you to wear it. She is free to wear it, or don't, so for second time its just rumours... and same goes to christians.
If you want the truth, you don't read what news/media says, you read from the books of islam, and then you will find the real truth, as well as i if i wanted to read about another religion i read it from their books, and not from news/media.
A real advice, don't let media brainwash you.
Al-kaeda, daaesh, or other terrorists parties are not and does not represent muslims or islam in any way possible. They just hides behind islam to again distort the truth and to let people like you believe what they wanted you to believe.
It is exactly as you said, and it's not like you're being biased and helping the Muslims. This is just the plain truth that the vast majority that are outside the Muslim community don't see.
I think that because Islam has such a strict set of laws it is hard for Muslims to feel comfortable changing. Christianity and Hinduism really don't have a strict set of laws that all Governments are expected to adhere to they leave a lot open to interpretation. Judaism does but Jews have been living amongst other people for almost 2000 years and thus have had to adopt to other cultures which were mostly christian ones. This is not to say Muslims never change some countries like Morocco are reasonably liberal, but it is a slower process.
I think there is a huge misconception about the Muslim religion. Look at the Muslims in America... are any of the women suffering and feeling wronged in any way? If they were they would've made that clear, especially with the women's rights campaign. There are 1.8 billion Muslims in this world, and if they really practiced terrorism the world would've ended. I personally know many Muslims and they have never once stated or followed practices of "tolerating violence". In fact, violence is not tolerated in Islam. People who do violent gestures or commit violent crimes have severe consequences. I am an agnostic, which means I do not favor any religion, nor do I hate any. From an unbiased standpoint, there is no proof---in fact, anti-proof that women are abused or mistreated in Islam. Girls wear hajabs and clothing to hide their body in order to preserve their purity, and if you've done any research at all you'd know they are actually treated like jewels.
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thats their major complaint is all about other religions.
they complain that we changed a lot from books and rules.
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Islam is not a tag that you get permanently. Just because you have the name of Muslim or living in a family of Muslim, does not mean you are Muslim. You are a Muslim only if you live by the book and Prophet teachings.
Secondly Muslim does not need to change as our religion has been completed and to be applied until end of time.
Also no one is forced to remain in it. If you cannot agree with the teaching, you leave it and go to a faith that you feel right.
It is simple as that.
If Muslims truly believe their religion is from god and their book is unchanged then why should they change it, it's hard to see how they're even Muslims then and the same goes for any other religion believers who changed their book in favour of people and the world, as opposed to their god, they're following people, not god and from a religious perspective, God > Religion, especially if they believe in an afterlife/heaven and hell, because that's what it's all about, which is why they follow it, the same goes for other religions, despite other religions not having as bad reputations.
I'm not religious, but just saying and not all Muslims follow everything the same way, just search up Quranists, they don't seem to be much like the Muslims you're describing and I know plenty of Muslims too.
Yeah, why can't they be like Christians and give up all their morality and values? XD Christians only care about a few specific rules because otherwise they would be just as bad as muslims (I've studied the bible, it has slavery and laws such as stoning women who get raped in the city and don't scream loud enough to be heard, it has child sacrifice (not talking about Abraham and Isaac, look into Jephthah and his daughter.), forced marriage (deuteronomy 21:10-25:19), and subservient women. Remember that Islam and christianity use the same source material, the old testament is a deeply important part of both religions.), now a days the only "moral values" that christians seem to hold is hatred of gays and abortion.
How would you respond if a famous politician in America (lets use Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer as an example) wrapped the bible in gay pride scarf (or those kente cloth scarves they wore to try and seem reltable to black people) and then burned it. Let's say Nancy Pelosi wraps the bible in gay pride scarf and burns it, how do you and other christians in America respond?
its a good question but have you considered this aspect... to adapt the original teaching to fit a modern world seems hypocritical and maybe those fundamentalist muslims are the only ones who stayed true to their faith... that said, im just playing devils advocate here because personally i think any religion in the modern world is out of place and pace
@ItsTheNephilim thats not really fair, there's some 15 year olds here that are real thinkers so im going to challenge him just like anyone else who chooses to post on my comments.. age shouldn't always be the go to get out clause and i imagine if i said, you are 15 what do you know he would find that far more of a tangable insult in the same way i hate agist comments aimed at me being 53.
Hmm fair enough but then again, age and minds are not completely mutually exclusive. There's a reason why people say that a 4 year old can learn more than 3 languages simultaneously compared to someone older. As far as it's about teenagers, especially early teen years, mind is really vulnerable to accept whatever it is told mostly with apt credibility. But I get your point.
@ItsTheNephilim you always seemed to me to be a thinker so how did you learn to look beyond dogma and not trely on rhetoric? i ask because i learned through being challenged just as i challenged our young friend here. way i look at it is that everyday is a schoolday for all of us but being armed with reason rather than only what the headline says will enable one to learn more
Ig you're right, might need to reconsider that. But as long as he's going to put up a statement and dodge onto another one when the former is countered by a proper argument, challenging would make no sense.
@hknmhmn4 then why do you the the Chruch get mad at Galelio when he gave the theory of Earth's heliocentricism?
@hknmhmn4 either learn to consider other peoples opinions or keep yours to yourself because here, right now, you are making yourself look like a fool... and again as i and my friend have already suggested, ignoring counter points is not a credible way to debate something... all you do is alenate. my suggestion is that you re read everything said here and try to at least understand it... if you dont then you aren't just irritating to others but also being a fool to yourself... have a nice day
@hknmhmn4 correct, the Church's fault it was. Going by your argument, not only the Christians did things for science and mathematics, ever heard of Aryabhatta? Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi?
@hknmhmn4 where did he attack your faith lol?
@hknmhmn4 you didn't answer my earlier question but ok. What makes you think that he can't differentiate between the two religions?
@hknmhmn4 well it's good that you see it through. Plenty of good Muslims out there just like the ones from every other religion. Don't be so ignorant.
@hknmhmn4 either your English is very poor or you just are basic trolling... i quite clearly stated in my very first comment that there is a difference between the two religions... if you persist in going around in ever decreasing circles please do it elswhere because you are now getting to the point of being highly irritating with your refusal to address what has actually been said here... plus im getting a bit sick of all the notifications while im trying to chat with people who can put together a coherant debate... now please go have a nce day and leave my thread so i can too
Hindu fundamentalists in India have commited many atrocities against Muslims. Buddhists in Myanmar have driven out the Muslim Rohynga. White Christians in the US have committed many atrocious ties against Blacks, and of course there are the war crimes in Iraq and other places exposed by Chelsea Manning. Religion is a convenient excuse for violent people.
Islam is the Antichrist religion. It was invented by Muhammad out of jealousy of Judaism. Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization and must be permanently quarantined. Letting Islam in is worse than covid. They have a human right to life. We have a human right to keep them away from us.
Islam is not a race. It is a belief system, so don't bother with the virtue signaling.
I am a Muslim but I think Muslims all over the world have certain differences. Like Russian-Ukrainian Muslims are pretty modern and tolerant towards others. They are nothing like you described. I might start feeling Slavophilic but they are pretty much good intelligent people.
Most ignorant one's seem to be from Indo Pak area. They tolerate corruption and bribery etc
Yes... you're right..
By the way, I was seeing your other convos. Hijab has nothing to do with corrupt mindset of the people. You can see girls in my country with Hijab and being conservative etc but truth is they go around sleeping with guys the most. I don't judge a person but these Hijabi girls have this moral high ground. They can do whatever they want behind the scenes because they are following the doctrine etc.
Normal girl going out at night and these exact girls had an issue. But when they do it then they have. Parents permission etc. This hypocrisy is cringy
But my friend sometimes give me hints that she would like to have some freedom.. not walk on their parents showed paths...😔😔
What're you on lol? Anyone who doesn't 'evolve' is still following the exact same religion as it was laid since its inception. Not only Islam, every religion seems outdated in today's world.
@hknmhmn4 but it is.
@hknmhmn4 atheism isn't a religion 😂.
@hknmhmn4 belief, yes. Religion, no. Atheism doesn't make people believe into the idea of God's existence.
@hknmhmn4 never said it is a bad thing.
Chill
I'd jump in and say atheism isn't a belief but a disbelief. It doesn't even mean we know there is no god, just that we don't believe there is. Especially not a god who cares about what some apes on a small, blue planet somewhere in the vastness of our universe do with their genitals.
@MillieBrunette should we just have a custard pie fight lol incidentally if i was any more laid back i would be horizontal ;)
Hahaha leave my catfights alone 🤣😥
@wankiam That's sort of the way Buddhists are supposed to think. That's their view of enlightenment but you're not supposed to care if you're feeling pain or joy. Both are just the present moment. As soon as you enjoy something, you crave it more and your mind has hopes for the future rather than focus in the present. If you want pain to go away then you are craving a change in present conditions rather than just accepting it.
There's a poem about this by somebody Kipling can't remember the name but it is on the doorway to centre court at Wimbledon. It goes something like: "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two impostors just the same". That's just one line of it but it's the only line written there.
@hknmhmn4 Atheism admittedly is treated by some as a religion. There is an atheist church somewhere in Canada I think. Which in my opinion is a misrepresentation of both the words atheism and church. I don't think it's a religion because a religion is an entire system of superhuman laws rather than an isolated belief (or in atheism's case disbelief) or custom.
@hknmhmn4 hahahaha there you go again... unthoughtout rhetoric and ironically true communism was developed in the interests of all humans having a fair and peaceful life which is what early christianity also taught... not all this far right conservatism where you judge others for not being exactly the same as you
It's a healthy discussion guys... please don't fight like politicians 😔😔
@Asker healthy? Yeah. Very healthily you framed a question.
I can't understand why you can't face criticism...
@hknmhmn4 I consider communism like a religion though. It has missionary aspects to it. For example a devout communist can't be Christian or Buddhist or Muslim because they are expected to accept that communist ideology is a superhuman law and even go to war to spread it. It's a belief. Exactly what atheism isn't.
Communism already was founded by a strict atheist guy, Karl Marx
www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_communism
@hknmhmn4 You're demonstrating an inchoate understanding of what atheism is. Communism is as I explained like a region because it depends on an intersubjective superhuman law among its followers that it is truth. They believe in a communist paradise on earth just as Muslims believe in paradise in an afterlife with 72 virgins and this belief determines their actions. Atheism is a disbelief in god. There are no superhuman laws which atheists believe in. You could say something objective like gravity is a superhuman law that atheists believe but nobody is going to hand out gravity pamphlets or engage in a nuclear arms race in the name of gravity.
@hknmhmn4 Give some examples. It seems like you're blaming isolated ideas and ideology on atheism when they don't determine one another. For example, same sex marriage is not an atheist concept and communism isn't either. Not taking supernatural myths and nonexplanation seriously is atheist. That's about all. Everything else is down to an individual's own thoughts.
@hknmhmn4 Australian politics would confuse the shit out of you. The party most like the Republicans are actually named "The Liberal party" and the party most like the democrats are called "The Labor Party" and then there is a third party called "the nationals". The Liberal Party and the Nationals form a coalition so if the Liberal party and the Nationals win enough "seats" they form government together which is what we currently have as the government now. If the Labor Party want to win government, they have to win by themselves. They often form an alliance with "the greens" who are basically an environmentalist party but they only ever win about 1 or 2 seats max so the Labor party don't really need them. Australia has more people who are atheists than any one religion and they tend to be evenly spread throughout the political spectrum. The nationals would probably have more religious voters though. Whether the prime minister is religious or not isn't an issue for Australians. There have been both atheist and religious prime ministers and even when it is one against the other fighting for an election they never bring god into it like the Americans. You never hear the prime minister end an address with "and may God bless Australia" or anything like that. They do say the Lord's prayer before parliament but it's just pomp and ceremony.
@hknmhmn4 everyone is an agnostic to a degree. I mean religious as in someone who practices a religion. You have to ask people whether or not they are atheists, you wouldn't just assume they are because they don't go to church but even some who do go to church are just doing it for social reasons and are actually atheists. There are people who say they are christian because their family are or just because they were baptised or christened or whatever but when you ask them if they believe in god, they say no.
One of my old bosses used to tell a story about the local priest in the town he grew up in. His mother remarried and after the wedding he asked the priest if their marriage was truly holy since his parents broke their vows and the priest replied "what? Truly holy? You don't actually believe that crap do you?" And then flicked his cigarette away, took a swig of rum and went over to piss against the side of the church.
It was basically his favourite story and it was the same every time he told it so I think it could be true.
@hknmhmn4 Yeah he lives by Christian culture. It's pretty inescapable in western countries. Even me too. I say merry Christmas to people in my family who are practicing Christians but I usually do remind people that I'm only there to be social and I'm not giving or receiving gifts. I still give people gifts for their birthdays though.
It’s written on Wikipedia
“A Colmar Brunton survey, commissioned by WIN-Gallup International, conducted from 4 November 2014, to 11 November 2014 found that 13% of Australia were "convinced atheist”
Not sure about whether 13% is a decent percentage to say most Australians are atheist
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Demographics_of_atheism
@hknmhmn4 those Gallup polls are door to door. I know a guy who did it. Most people just tell him to fuck off and slam the door in his face.
The Australian census doesn't have a box that says atheist on it. It only has one that says "no religion" and that got ticked by 30% of people last time. The overall Christian % was 51 but each denomination was counted together and there was a box for each denomination.
You shouldn't HAVE to convert to Christianity just because you live in a culturally christian country. It's the sort of country where even Muslims give Christmas presents to each other and eat chocolate bar Easter time but these are really just commercial traditions now. The Christian part of them is forgotten. Forcing people to convert would be theocratic and that's wrong.
@OfDeath There is also a such situtation by the way. Some Christians dont consider themselves to be religious. There are spiritual “Christians” so they believe in the Bible and God. But they consider being Christian to be spirituality. There is such word too “Jesus is my savior, not my religion”
Being able to change a religion simply shows howits beliefs and doctrine is flimsy and not set in stone
Hey Pink Anon.. Since you love hiding behind a pink anon name.. Assuming you are Catholic, and follow the Bible.. Are you submissive to your husband? and let him do whatever he wants.. as dictated by the Bible?
I am an atheist...
likely story...
Look Islam is most conservative religion it hurt me to see my friends under that hijab...
It's because Islam teaches that their scripture is not only divine but it's FINAL so it can't be challenged, altered or added to.
That's stupid... things should be changed with time
@wankiam Islam is going to be dead of humanity...
its just a much more savage and violent religion than christianity/judiism. it can't let its people evolve and they kill you if you try. it isn't compatible with western values and will destroy us if we try to get along with it
The notion of "evolving with time" is moronic applied to religion or other eternal truths. These "stupid" rules are just as effective today as they were then.
Yeah i agree conservative Christians are a danger to the world
because the entire ideology is based on oppression, terror and death. Go against the rules and you'll get flogged in public in the best case. In the worst case you'll lose your head.
This was the way christian nations worked too, that's just what happens when a religion takes too much political power. You literally described every theocracy ever. Read the old testament, it has rules specifically telling christians to stone people to death for breaking the sabbath (numbers 15:32-36).
I'd rather it go extinct than evolve to a point where it isn't seen as radical.
Because there is little to no pressure to change. They have entire countries to themselves and western muslims apologize for them.
how has catholic religion changed over the centuries
how has the jewish religion changed over the centuries
christian evolution doesn't evolve either. so why do you expect muslims to do that?
The culture is too close minded and conservative, besides the point you just can't take a religion and spiritual books and adjust to how you desire.
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