When we we all born he gave us all a gift that gift was called choice he said you van be anyone you want to be . And you become that person by the thi gs you say and do..
You are a prime example of that your question reflects on who you really are and that's your choice there's nothing wrong with that for me anyway for him it's a different thing and in the roundabout way he did snuff out sin in a way because his son life was given for our sins there are many things I do in life that are considered a sin I'm a sinner the reason why is because life is to be experienced and in order to understand it you have to experience it I wish I could be a straight-up good person but I'm not
I I'm a sinner I have chosen who I want to be . and I'm focused on that hopefully before I die I have experienced life and everything in it to become a better person . Yeah my answer is only for me I have never read the Bible I know a lot of things that are in it for some reason so I don't know what to even tell you except for this is how I live my life there is one thing for sure as it's happening right now
there are a lot of evil people on this planet. And there is a silent holy War going on and in time it won't be silent no more all the rich people all the businesses all the people that run this world that are manipulating and take him from the little people will all perish due to their own stupidity and their own greed the meek shall inherit the earth
So yes my God has common sense he put you on this planet you made a choice to ask this question for one of two reasons to remind us all who we really are or to remind us who we don't want to be
No I asked this question because the real question is god a moron or just a liar
Why do you people refuse to credit god for the evil he has done
The problem is that if God is love he can´t force people to act the way he wants against their own will because love always includes a freedom of choice. There will always be some kind of mystery about god such as the question which quality of God is being stronger him being omnipotent or him being love.
The problem of sin is that sinning involves an act of turning away from God so if God took away the sin by himself he couldn´t be love at the same time. He would therefore have to do something that´s against his own character.
Omnipotence in terms of god means that he´s omnipotent in being able to do anything that is not against his own character.
Stating he´s "selective omnipotent" is true if you don´t follow the premise I gave in the sentence before.
Otherwise that´s also wrong.
But there are holes in his story because free will doesn’t matter if he already knows the outcome because I believe god chose the best option possible to fix things and it’s shit his plan now doesn’t make sense because there would’ve been less blood shed there is no other explanation other than he wants to punish people and put people in hell or else he would’ve taken care of busy sooner rather than later a loving god wouldn’t have chosen to do things this way
There is a huge gaping hole in the story somewhere between free will, omnipotence, god claiming to be loving and creating people he knows will reject him
Considering god chose the best option he had to choose a version of the world where there are still bad influences but on the other hand ways of fixing problems in the world by good influences.
So that doesn´t mean that he wants to punish people it´s just a consequence of their life choices.
If a person doesn´t want to live with God, why should God make this person do it?
Heaven is a place where everyone and everything worships God, there´s no alternative to that.
Everybody has the choice in this life because heaven is only great of people that love God.
You can’t say that when no one asked to be born the Bible said it’s better to not exist and stop discrediting god for bad things he is responsible for and causing
@creampiekarl420 I don't know exactly where the Bible verse is, but it certainly doesn't mean that it would be better for all people if they didn't live. At least one similar verse speaks of hypocritical Christians who do not love God, just pretend. It would be better for such people if they were not born
I believe that God gives people a choice because he wants to upgrade our blessing and it can’t happen without a period of testing, like wouldn’t you test a person to see whether they love you or only pretend to love you before you date or marry them?
How does he give us a choice when none of us asked to be here
I think you do not realise how much of a gift the gift of life is. You've just asked the most common question christians get asked, google search it.
Also you say like a buffoon: 'None of us asked to be here', well there's a saying, 'Throw someone to the waves and they'll try to swim,' so deep down, something inside of you values life, its easy to take something for granted when you already have it.
I think the North is His choice but the punishment and reward is our choice like there were more than on situation that could have killed me but God kept me alive because I reached out to Him and approached Him and His will.
@mysterio101 there is no greater salvation than never existing
@jennifer_bloom god shows favoritism and stop pretending he doesn’t too many people exist just to be ignored and mistreated how can god be loving when he does not need these people they exist solely to suffer
I believe you pretend to be an atheist to test people because your too nice to be a real atheist.
Im not an atheist I do not like the god of the Bible
The bible is allegorical because a just god would not promote injustice in his word, the ultimate blasphemy is saying that God would contradict his own justice but justice is about mercy and not condemnation, it’s about feeding the hungry and not about killing the robbers who prevent their agricultural growth and harvesting or planting and buying.
God isn’t just so that is a lie
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Heaven is perfect with no sin. Living here in earth is corrupt and filled with sin. The Bible suggests that your life here is to be seen as a temporary residency. The broken world is designed to bring you closer to god and is a test. How do you handle the trials and tribulations that the world throws at you? Do you give into sin and detest god, or do you seek gods guidance and live in the light? If you choose the latter , then you’re worthy of eternal life in heaven. How does one understand good if they’ve never experienced evil? How do you build character and reliance in life without hardship?
By doing nothing ecclesiastics 4:3
All religions even the bible tell us that we are God who decided to experience limitation, with the purpose of experiencing unconditional love. Makes sense? There must be such a thing as conditions for unconditional love to exist. We are particles of god and one with everything that exists, our minds create, and we often punish ourselves by fear, and hate.
Sin is a good tool for governments to enslave you. However even the bible teaches us karma, I've heard occultists teach that "common sense" is a synonym for karma. Having common sense means being able to distinguish right from wrong. Is having sex before marriage (immoral) harmful to anyone? Fuck no, so that's not a sin.
Is impregnating a teen female a sin? Yes, if you were aware of the harm it will do to her.
Bible doesn't say that at all.
not God , but image , and that is spirit. No Oprah has said it thousands of times
@888theGreat I never listened to oprah but you've got lots to learn about spirituality. I know I do too. Just look at the inconsistencies of god being the only creator, Isiah 45.7 and many others say it literally that there is no devil.
And the god in you, creates the world in your image. Like I said before, our thoughts and imagination are acts of creation.
Your arrogance is your problem. I get it we're human we like to think we're in complete control.
I'm going to ask you how many universes, stars, planets etc have you created. And you're going to call it a cop out. And I get that! Faith is one of the hardest things to have. But my point is until you can make all of creation in a week it's futile to second guess why God does anything he does. Our puny human brains can't begin to comprehend how 8 billion lives on this planet intersect into one grand plan. All you need to know is God loves you and wants the best for you. If you truly want answers, put your human arrogance aside and ask God for help understanding. Accept that the answer may not come in the time you want or the way you want. But the Bible promises ask and it will be revealed.
Now you don't need to respond to this. As I will not read it.
God Bless!
If you understand then you should get where I’m coming from why are you people so afraid to disagree with god
Religion is man created , to control the population. And these sheep let themselves be controlled. If anything it's a cult of mass crazies. Believing in invisible gods.. I'm so sick of people saying, amen, sending prayers. Since when do words do more than action? And these "gods" let's all this war, hate, racism, selfishness, cancer, disease's, death etc keep on happening? Imagine back in the days the "holy wars". They would try to take over villages and convert them or they die? Oh man I wish religion would halt to exist. Just he good, do good.
I get it I really do matter of fact within the past week or even the past few days I've gotten into three arguments because I was getting threatened with hellfire and other things because I disagreed with the Bible I wasn't even rude about it at first I just openly disagreed with the Bible and actually one of the times I wasn't even openly disagreeing with the Bible I just disagreed with their interpretation of the Bible and yeah it gets very weird so yeah I get what you mean like there are definitely some crazy cultist people out there but can you please try to be a little more civil
Again I get it I actually grew up in a town full of religious nuts who weren't very nice especially to people who weren't religious nuts themselves but there are also some good Christians out there and we should try to be a little bit nicer to be Christians unless they openly start trying to pick a fight then go hog wild I don't care by that point
He knew they would disobey.. he did not will for it to happen but he made us in his image so it is only fair we would also have free will.. but that is a different topic itself on why God created us when he knew the outcome
Not us but people who are going to hell
But you also have to remember those going to heaven.. when i heard the gospel i had a choice to believe or reject it
There is no point in the others existing
Well that is kind of a bold statement do you not think? Why do you believe they should not exist?
Because they’ll spend eternity in hell
but would that not be their fault? i would have rather not been born.. honestly i dislike working.. the stress.. the repetitiveness.. but it is something i must do i have bills and people to take care of and God makes it all worth the while.. they all have a choice to want to save themselves or not people go to hell because they choose anything else but God
And what if you don’t choose at all where do you end up?
Well there is no middle if you really think about it.. if you choose anything but God that puts you against him.. either you are in or out.. with or without there is no middle ground
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Exactly so why not only make the ones who will accept you a loving god would so is god loving or a liar
That would take away free will.. he mad adam and eve they disobeyed learned what they did wrong and started obeying God.. if he took away free will what would be the point of this life if we were not able to procreate
You’re missing the point their lives have no meaning whether they exist or not because they’re ultimately going to hell
Ok i see what you are saying.. why does he not only bring forth people that are going to believe in him..
That voids the purpose of creating life useless.. if everyone on earth right now repented and came to christ he would just take us all up and this mess would be over.. it is a bold statement to say their lives have no meaning when you can not see how they have affected the world as an individual
ex. 2 athiest have a child.. their child grows up and lets God into her life.. she helps converts one of her parents, does that make the other parent useless that they had no purpose? Their purpose was for those 2 specific people to give birth to that child so God can use her to preach to them and for the parent that rejected the truth that was his own free will
This is the way God willed reality to be.. some things needs to come into place for other things to come to place.. your parents needs to beat you as a child even though you hated it but i do not see you complaining about it now because you understand the purpose
This is a really sensitive topic to people because they look at lens of hatred snd the argument ends up in then he should not have made life in the 1st place.. and ok so what he did are we going to sit here whine complain about it led our pride consume the fact that there is someone that has authority over us or preach to as much people as we can to try and bring them to God
Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
You gotta remember god doesn’t need anybody so what you just said is mute life is pointless so pointless that god doesn’t care about it he only cares about life after death and if god is all powerful he could’ve easily done so without making people suffer or having a stupid plan that will cause billions to hate him god pushes people away from him
If God did not care about life why would he give us jesus to "save" us.. and yes he is all powerful but he gave us free will and he will not take that away from us because that is just.. imagine some cop is like go you are free then he hunts you down puts you in handcuffs and demands your love taking you free will away all because "he has the power to do so"
Then why make people who use their free will to reject him what is their purpose? It’s to be destroyed
You're ignorant of the fact that the purpose of the test is to see whether an intentionally flawed creation would choose to worship God anyway.
The Tree of knowledge of good and evil is a parable. There was no literal garden of eden nor a literal tree of knowledge. People metaphorically "eat from the tree" every time they choose to do evil instead of good.
Are you going to obey God even though he intentionally created you mortal with the capacity to die and not eternal life?
One problem with Christianity is it promises something to "believers" that the Genesis God said was a bad idea for humans to have: Eternal life.
God alone is Eternal. Human beings cannot "become" eternal.
There is no reason to obey god because he only chooses winners
The Good of good is set against the Rival opposite God. Each with their own army (usually made of creatures unaware of being part of it, as well as the broader conflict).
Paradise, not the places of struggle and conflict between good and evil, is the place where everything is according to the God of good's will.
the God* of good.
I understand that but you’re telling me his best option was waiting for the population to grow after the fall so he’d end up killing billions
You are of course free to understand anything you want to understand, with any prejudice. Nothing, however, could be as remote from what I said than what you "understood".
God is amoral. God is impersonal. That's the big answer everyone is looking for <--- right there. You can take it or leave it and keep complaining.
Are you Christian
Only partial omnipotence makes the most sense to me. But I don't take any of these stories literally, or even as stories about some other being.
No. Scripture states that everything that is going on since day one is for God to display his glory and wisdom and for his infinite purposes. Much of what goes on in this world has eternal consequences.
“So now through the church the multifaceted wisdom of God [in all its countless aspects] might now be made known [revealing the mystery] to the [angelic] rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.”
Ephesians 3:10 AMP
Imagine if you were a dog or a cat... you would see people doing a lot of things that makes no sense to you. It doesn't mean that they lack 'common sense'. It means that they are vastly superior to you and you can't wrap your mind around what you see. Likewise it'd be very presumptuous to think you have the knowledge and experience to judge a being that existed since the dawn of time.
I don’t I have common sense and it’s common sense to handle sin minute one before it becomes an even bigger issue
When you know enough about something, you also know enough not to talk about it. I abstain!
Why did God allow Lucifer to fall? If he would killed Lucifer at the uprising, the remaining angels who would otherwise unite with Satan, now they would serve God not because they want to, but because they fear.
I mean he could have made them perfect to begin with
god never did anything. people just keep claiming that but nobody ever provided any evidence for their claim. so if god was omnipotent even just selectively, he would have done a whole lot of nothing with that.
Nope, that would be a human response. If he killed the the angels for their sin or human for their sin then those who worshipped God would be doing it out of fear. Instead God will deal with sin on the day of judgement when all have had time to repent and turn away from sin. Then after judgement all who are left would have already made the choice to worship God and not sin before judgement and therefore worship God out of love and not fear.
Why make everyone else then that’s stupid
God is a just God and will judge everyone with the same measure. The difference is those who have a relationship with Jesus are covered by His blood and the blood of Jesus will make you white as snow. Salvation for those who love God and have a relationship with Jesus as their Lord and savior. There is only one way to heaven.
How is god just when he creates people just to destroy them they’re better off not existing
So they asked to be here? Where was the choice then?
No, God created man to commune with Him in the Garden of Edan and live forever. But man choice to sin which changed everything. As a result sin is passed down from man to children and all are sinners. So to keep from killing everyone through the judgment of a Just God, He came to earth through a virgin birth where sin could not be passed dawn and Jesus became our payment for sin. Trough Jesus we have redemption for those who believe. For those who don't, well judgement is coming...
If that’s true then god should’ve just made the humans who would commune with him you ever ask yourself why did he even make Adam first instead of Elijah, Noah, Abraham, Joseph or Job he certainly would’ve had his utopia then hell I would’ve been better than Adam I hate people and never would’ve had children
You'll find out too late.
You're counting on imperfect humans to define God... but not listening to GOD.
Or, you know, Genesis is a parable, and only stupid Christians think it's a real event that happened.
There's a reason why they insist you take their beliefs up on faith and not evidence.
Not if he wanted to prove that If given free will the scales would always be in favor of good over evil.
Why would he need to prove anything to himself because it doesn’t benefit us
There are answers to this but it’s too long to answer here. I would start with the Bible - specifically the book of Romans. It’s only about a one hour read.
They had FREE WILL , to choose evil or good. We are one big ant farm to God. He watches to see how we react. How come you have no common sense? Why are you so stupid? This is why you won't make it to Heaven , you are too stupid like Adam.
If Adam was so stupid why didn’t god make Noah first
Again, look up FREE WILL and what it means. Adam and Even could have killed the snake instead of listening to it. Then the earth today would still be the garden of Eden with no cancer or diseases. There would have been no need of Noah. We wouldn't have known who Noah was probably.
No reverse that order sir why didn’t god make Noah first was the question
I think the church is what cares about SIN, God probably dosen't give a shit he had more important matters to attend to. The reason God dosen't intervene is because then we don't learn.
We don’t need to learn god is all that matters remember
False, this is something cooked up by the church. Jesus was very much into teaching people when he was alive. In fact his proclivity for teaching is why he ran afoul of the Roman's. Large corrupt governments like the citizens stupid and ignorant, makes em easier to controll. And there's a lesson to learn for our modern day politics.
And what was he teaching carpentry 101 was he teaching nazareans how to build chimneys and sht
He was teaching nazereans how to read and write, as well has how to treat sickness.
So god came here to teach people arithmetic and the fundamentals of hygiene and antibiotics?
Are you saying people shouldn't learn these things?
What good will it do when your dead
It will leave a legacy and inheritance to your children to better help them survive on earth.
So people with no children it serves no purpose everything you just said is fleeting petty and unnecessary
I'm failing to see your point here. If you think nothing has meaning then just lie on the ground and wither away. Bur seeing as how your here arguing with me. Somewhere deep in your soul you feel the necessity to take that next step forward, somehere springs up a desire to change the world. And thats what faith is for. It gives people a healthy direction for that desire the more the world better.
I have no such desire and I’ve actually tried that but if you lay there too long the ambulances will come to pick you up because people will think you’re dead but anyways I don’t care about this world or god or anyone I didn’t create this crap I don’t understand why I’m even involved what good is a apathetic person to god? I don’t desire or care for a better world I didn’t ask for it but it’s human nature to be curious and think about this kind of stuff right?
Can't help you there, Jesus said I can only help those who help themselves
Exactly so why do those he can’t help even exist?
As an example of what not to be?
How do you feel about suicide because an existence like that isn’t worth having
If you wanna die go for it. Just remember to pick an effective method so you don't wake up in a hospital looking like a horses ass
Thank you for clearing that up and letting me know where you stand god made a lot of people just to say fuck you and ignore their suffering and keeps them around just to punish them
We created all the sin through deception and free will.
That blasphemous
Because you’re discrediting god he made all
Discrediting is blasphemous “I created the earth” that’s a blasphemous statement to make because your stealing glory from god and the heavens and the earth is everything doofus
GOD will not be made a liar
GENESIS 3
and to you satan one of eves kids is gonna kill you
for doing what you did
Again adam eve and Satan would’ve been a quick simple fix instead of killing all of human history
god allowed choice
You do not understand sin. When a person accept Jesus the Holy Spirit comes into their Soup. Then when God look upon us He does not see sin. The Holy Spirit leads us to sin less
How can people like you get all preachy like you’re in the same situation
you're a non believer but thats okay LORD already knew your life before you ever lived. Sucks for you, I know Gods real. I do.
I believe I just call out bs when I see it
Yet you dont call yourself out
Neither do you call me out
At this point I'm convinced you're just a troll looking for attention online. ✌️
Okay If I’m a troll then tell me one thing I said that didn’t make sense? It’s okay to not know something ya know
What fucking comic have you been reading? 🤣🤣🤣
The Bible and I’d appreciate serious answers
Thank you for your candor but I have people with brains and opinions to talk to about this
@Guy__ stop instigating😂
I'm just new to GAG and am surprised by how many Christians participate here. So I assume that EmmaMary meant that only Christian's will reply? Since I genuinely want to help, I'd rather save the believers from their own beliefs. The myth about the two people in the beginning, was first of all edited and rewritten, and originally was meant to be interpreted more mystically than literally.
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