Where do christians get the claim that "Lucifer" and "Satan" are the same person?

[Wade12345]

The Bible does NOT say that.

The Bible clearly states that Lucifer is an evil MAN who died and went to Hell.

The Bible clearly states that Satan has never been to Hell and even has access to Heaven at times.

Both of them are EVIL, but the point is that claim is bogus.

Who told some girl on here that there is only one Archangel?

Im not a christian, but since she was a christian, let's talk about Revelation for half a moment. Revelation draws heavily on Daniel, Ezekiel and Isaiah. Revelation claims there are "TEN THOUSAND TIMES TEN THOUSAND AND THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF HUMANS" WORSHIPING GOD IN HEAVEN.

This number literally multiplies out to be at least 400 QUADRILLION.

How many Angels do you think are in Heaven. There's more than one Archangel, just as there is more than one Cherubim and Seraphim. Traditionally, Archangels are thought to be the second LOWEST rank of Angel. There are at least 4 Cherubs seen in the Law and Prophets and at least 4 Seraphim seen there also. So how many Archangels do you think there are? That implies there are at least as many archangels as there are Cherubs and Seraphs, because most chains of command are massively pyramidal, which means for example every Cherub might be over 30 Archangels (hypothetical example only).

I saw in a Dream an Archangel in armor with a sword tell me my sister's cancer was CURED and the next day my sister's cancer was cured. several months later, she was on nation-wide television as a Cancer Survivor on the halftime show for a New Orleans Saints game. You can disbelieve this testimony if you like, but that just makes you a denier and willfully ignorant.

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Anyway, Paul in the Christian new testament claims there are nine ranks of Angels.

Orthodox Jews believe in ten ranks of angels, and Archangels are generally viewed as being the lowest rank.

Cherubim and Seraphim are higher than Archangels and are allowed to carry the Chariot of God and the Throne of God, at least when God appears to a Prophet in that form in Ezekiel and Isaiah.

Note that God does not actually "need" a chariot, but for human understanding he sometimes appears in that form.

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YES, SOME QUESTIONS ARE FLAT OUT STUPID AND MISINFORMED, LIKE THE PERSON BELOW.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MOCK GOD OR ASK A STUPID AND MISINFORMED QUESTION?

[Anonymous]

The idea that "Lucifer" and "Satan" are the same person is not explicitly stated in the Bible, but it is a common interpretation among some Christian traditions. The term "Lucifer" comes from the Latin translation of the Hebrew word "heylel," which appears in the book of Isaiah as a description of a fallen king of Babylon. In some Christian traditions, this passage is interpreted as referring to Satan, who is believed to have rebelled against God and been cast out of heaven.

Regarding the number of angels in heaven and the hierarchy of angels, it is true that the Bible does not provide specific numbers or ranks. However, there are various references to angels throughout the Bible, and some Christian traditions have developed their own interpretations and hierarchies based on these references.

Regarding your personal experience with an archangel, it is important to remember that personal experiences and beliefs can vary widely, and it is not always possible to provide a definitive explanation or interpretation. It is important to approach such experiences with an open mind and a critical eye, and to seek guidance and support from trusted sources as needed.

[Wade12345]

lol. unfortunately, I've had one too many run-ins with abusive false prophets so that I basically do not trust anyone except God and Myself... and I'm not entirely certain about trusting myself.

[Opinion Owner]

It's understandable to feel hesitant and mistrustful after experiencing abusive behavior from religious leaders or authority figures. It's important to prioritize your own safety and well-being, and to take steps to protect yourself from further harm.

It can also be helpful to seek support from trusted friends or family members, or from professional counseling or therapy. Talking with someone who can provide a safe and supportive space to process your experiences and emotions can be an important step towards healing and rebuilding trust.

Ultimately, it's important to remember that not all religious leaders or individuals are abusive or untrustworthy, and it's possible to find supportive and caring communities that align with your beliefs and values. It may take time and effort to find the right fit, but it's worth pursuing a sense of belonging and connection with others who share your faith or spirituality.

[TheorionMage]

'SATAN' is an ancient Hebrew COMMON NOUN which translates to "opponent, adversary, accuser"
"Lucifer" is reputed to have been GOD'S foremost first Archangel formed with the fault of Hubris / Ego.

'Evil' is pragmatically defined as: "Gratuitous or UN-necessary harm" ... expending effort and/or resources to impair the betterment of a person or circumstance.

[Wade12345]

No. The only instance of Lucifer in the Bible specifically states that it is the name of a mortal man.

The claim of Lucifer and satan being the same creature is a complete falsehood. A" man cannot be an Angel so Lucifer is not Satan.

[Siri137]

Yes, you're basically correct on your two main points here, i. e. Lucifer isn't Satan, and there is more than just one Archangel. As I understand it, Lucifer was a reference to the then current king of Babylon, and at least two Archangels are mentioned in the Bible, Michael and Gabriel (the Orthodox and Catholic bibles mention by name even more).

[Anonymous]

Religion is the true evil.

[Wade12345]

Tjhe people Moses was referring to were Baal Molech and Chemosh worshipers who BURNED THEIR OWN INFANTS ALIVE ON BRONZE ALTARS AS A SACRIFICE TO PROVABLY FALSE GODS."

THE WORD TRANSLATED "CHILDREN" HERE IS NOT WHAT AN English SPEAKER THINKS OF AS A "CHILD". IT MEANS "CHILDREN OF THE FALSE GOD (S)".

in HEBREW "CHILDREN" IS USED AS A GROUP TO REFER TO PEOPLE WHO ALL HAVE THE SAME BELIEF AND FOLLOWING. SUCH AS THE "CHILDREN" WHO MOCKED ONE OF THE PROPHETS AND WERE EATEN BY BEAR BECAUSE OF IT, THOSE WERE NOT "CHILDREN" EITHER, THEY WERE GROWN MEN ABOVE AGE 12 YEARS OLD AND THEY WERE KILLED BECAUSE THEY MOCKED THE ONE TRUE PROPHET OF THE ONE TRUE CREATOR GOD.

THE 155MPH HURRICANE IS GOING TO HIT SOUTH CAROLINA AND GOD IS REBUKING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR ITS CONTINUED HUMAN SACRIFICE THROUGH ABORTION AND FOR SEXUAL IMMORALITY, WHICH YOU PEOPLE LOVE TO PROMOTE TO ONE ANOTHER.

[Wade12345]

THAT is why the Conquistadors correctly executed every man and woman above 12 years old when they conquered the indigenous tribes of South and Central America, because the people above 12 years old were GUILTY OF PRACTICING RITUAL HUMAN SACRIFICE, AND THE LAW OF GOD WHICH THE SPANIARDS TRIED TO OBEY TO THE LETTER, SAID THEY ALL DESERVED TO DIE.

[Wade12345]

sO YOU SEE, ATHEIST, THAT VERSE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN THE TRUE GOD TELLS BELIEVERS TO EXECUTE MURDERERS ARE THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE EYE-WITNESSES.

THEY SENT SCOUTS TO SCOUT OUT THE NEIGHBORING LANDS TO DETERMINE WHO IT WAS WHO PRACTICED HUMAN SACRIFICE, AND THEY OBEYED GOD'S COMMANDMENT TO THE LETTER AND ROUNDED UP EVERYONE 12 YEARS AGE AND OLDER AND EXECUTED THEM IN THOSE NATIONS GUILTY OF HUMAN SACRIFICE AND RITUAL CANNIBALISM.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH.

IF NOT FOR ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS OCCUPYING AFRICA AND THE AMERICAS, PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE PRACTICING HUMAN SACRIFICE AND CANNIBALISM IN THOSE PLACES. AS THINGS STAND, THOSE PRACTICES DID NOT STOP UNTIL THE YEAR 1918, EVEN THOUGH THE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS WERE ENFORCING THE LAW OF MOSES WITH A DEATH PENALTY AND TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE TO STOP MURDERING THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

EDUCATE YOURSELF. YOU ARE ONE IGNORANT FOOL.

[Wade12345]

Study some real world history and Archaeology instead of whatever bulllshit they write in your school textbooks these days.

if not for Abrahamic religions enforcing the God-given death penalty for human sacrifice and cannibalism, most world religions would still be burning their children alive, or drowning them in bottomless pits of water the way they did in South and Central America, or carving out their hearts and eating them, etc... that's a historical FACT that you misinformed people are no longer taught in schools or university because it's not "politically correct" TO teach you that Native Americans were mass murdering genocidal maniacs who started by butchering their own children.

The God-given penalty for human sacrifice and cannibalism is death.

[Wade12345]

Also, I'm not saying slavery "should have happened", but slavery actually worked to the African peoples advantage. If not for being conquered by Europe, African Americans would still be living in Africa worshiping provably false gods and burning their own children alive. Again as things stand, they kept doing it right up until 1918, which is the last known documented case of ritual cannibalism in Africa, which the Abrahamic Religions FORCED THEM TO STOP MURDERING THEIR OWN CHILDREN UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH.

[Wade12345]

iF YOU OR THE MODERATOR DON'T BELIEVE ME, READ A REAL HISTORY BOOK INSTEAD OF BEING IGNORANT OF REAL HISTORY.

[Wade12345]

AS THINGS STAND, THE PAGANS WHO REMAIN IN AFRICA STILL EAT BUSHMEAT (BARBEQUED MONKEY) BECAUSE THEY KEPT WORSHIPING THEIR FALSE GOD AND JUST REPLACED EATING HUMAN FLESH WITH EATING MONKEYS.

IF THE PAGANS EVER GAIN THE UPPER HAND AGAIN, THEY'LL IMMEDIATELY RETURN TO EATING THEIR OWN CHILDREN AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY REALLY STILL BELIEVE IN.

[Wade12345]

THE TRADITIONAL "AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY" IN HEBREW THOUGHT IS 12 YEARS OLD. ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY WRITTEN IN THE HEBREW BIBLE, IT HAS BEEN TRADITION FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

WHEN A MAN OR WOMAN TURNS 12 YEARS OLD, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO AN INHERITANCE FROM THEIR PARENTS. YES, WOMEN GOT AN INHERITANCE IN THE BIBLE (SEE JOSHUA AND JOB, ETC) AND ANYBODY CLAIMNIG THE BIBLE ENSLAVES WOMEN IS A LIAR. THE JEWS GAVE WOMEN MORE RIGHTS THAN ANY OTHER CIVILIZATION IN HUMAN HISTORY.

WHEN YOUR PARENTS DIE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ANOTHER INHERITANCE.

WHEN A MAN OR OWMAN TURNED 12 YEARS OLD, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY IF THEY WERE FINANCIALLY STABLE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES.

THE WOMAN WAS NOT IN ANY WAY OBLIGATED TO MARRY IN ARRANGED MARRIAGE SITUATIONS. THE WOMAN ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TO MARRY THE MAN AND WAIT FOR ANOTHER SUITOR. ANYONE WHO CLAIMS JEWS FORCED THEIR WOMEN INTO MARRIAGE IS A LIAR.

[Wade12345]

THAT'S THE ORIGIN OF THE "AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY" IN BOTH JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY, AND IT IS WHY MUSLIMS ALSO STILL HAVE "CHILD WEDDINGS" AND IT IS WHY THE CONQUISTADORS CORRECTLY EXECUTED EVERY MAN AND WOMAN 12 YEARS AND OLDER.

[Wade12345]

THE REASON THE DEATH PENALTY EXISTS IN THE BIBLE IS BECAUSE MURDERERS AND RAPISTS AND CANNIBALS NEVER REPENT. THEY ALL CLAIM TO BE "INNOCENT".

ATHEISTS ALMOST NEVER REPENT. I'VE DEBATED LITERALLY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS, AND I THINK I'VE SEEN JUST ONE AGNOSTIC REPENT, AND THAT IS DR. MICHIO KAKU, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN AN ATHEIST REPENT THAT I KNOW OF.

I HAVE SEEN ONE OTHER AGNOSTIC SORT OF REPENT BY SAYING, "I DON'T PRESENTLY BELIEVE IN A PERSONAL GOD, BUT I LIVE MY LIFE AS THOUGH THERE IS A PERSONAL GOD JUST IN CASE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT."

HE MIGHT FULLY REPENT ONE DAY, SO THAT WOULD MAKE TWO.

OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG, MUCH LESS REPENT TO GOD ABOUT IT.

i'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN A TRUE ATHEIST ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

[MementoMori777]

They are the same person, lucifer is his name when he was an angel and I don't think the Bible mentioned lucifer as Satan, humans use Satan and if I'm not mistaken the word Satan was how the world called him, and I completely disagree with the way you speak and approach people with the word of God, compared to the Bible I don't know much but I do know people will and do twist the word and my gut instinct is telling me you ain't it bro.

[Wade12345]

i haven't twisted anything.

Go on Youtube and find Rabbi Tovia Singer's channel and ask him what he thinks about Christianity and the alleged virgin birth of Jesus and alleged incarnation of God as Jesus.

The first thing he will do is quote Balaam "God is not a man" and the second thing he will do is prove that a Virgin Birth can never be a valid "sign" from God, because there is no conceivable way to SEE a virgin birth and prove that it was a virgin birth.

Deuteronomy tells you that the sign of a true prophet is this:

1) Does he speak for Yahweh?

if yes, continue, if no stone him to death.

2) does his sign or wonder or dream come to pass?

if yes, obey that prophet.
if no, stone that prophet and do not reverence him.

The reason the Jews stoned and later crucified Jesus is because Jesus claimed to be "I AM THAT I AM" in the flesh when he told the Jews "Before Abraham was I AM".

So the Jews stoned him and they told him they were stoning him because he blasphemed God and claimed to be God... and they brought this same charge against Jesus on the day they crucified him, they literally quoted his words and the christian gospels record him claiming to be "God in the Flesh' repeatedly... even though Balaam prophesied 1300 years earlier that GOD IS NOT A MAN.

Understand that is a contradiction. I'ts pretty obvious God is not a man, so Balaam is correct and Jesus is a LIAR.

[Wade12345]

What prevents Christians from worshiping the Dalai Lama or the Emperor of Japan? They claim to be God in the Flesh too. Matrayah claims to be Jesus' second coming. Why don't you christians worship Matrayah? Have you proven him wrong? Many idiots claim to think he really is the second coming of Jesus. I'm not telling you to worship any of these people. I'm trying to make the point that NO god-man is real and neither is any god-woman, such as Mary.