Do you consider Satan to be a supernatural entity or a metaphor?

[SolitarySolace]

Do you consider Satan to be an actual supernatural entity who embodies all evil in our world or a metaphor to promote pragmatic skepticism, rational reciprocity, personal autonomy, and curiosity?

Supernatural Entity and embodiment of evil

Just a metaphor for my political philosophy

[TheorionMage]

'Satan' is NOT a particular Sentience any more than the common noun 'slut' is a particular female... now the Sentience 'Lucifer' IS a particular being. The foremost ORIGINAL 'archangel' until 'he' got into a hierarchical disagreement with his Creator and especially after an alleged rebellion borne of an unwillingness to accept his Creator's decision that the heavenly host were to accept limited obeisance to physical human beings as having been fashioned in image and 'LIKENESS' of their Creator.

This 'family disagreement' got 'Lucifer' put in an eternal 'time out', not unlike the sentiences known as 'Watchers' who got exiled to 'elsewhere' for their becoming infatuated by human females, teaching them 'forbidden knowledge and hybridly breeding with them; and... got 'Michael' promoted to premiere Archangel of the heavenly hosts enforcers.

The word 'satan' is a Hebrew term which most closely translates as 'adversary' or 'accuser of beliefs'. One who questions the depth of One's commitment or faith taken at face value. Now... if the Creator IS both omnipotent and omniscient anything GOD can conceive of... GOD can simply 'will' out of existence as GOD created simply by thought! Clearly in GOD's omniscience GOD KNEW of... and even created Lucifer's potential Ego and yet elected NOT to 'un-create' Lucifer. Read Isiah 45:7 KJV

[NamerOfStars]

Oh for pity's sake...

Here: https://www.usccb.org/offices/new-american-bible/books-bible is the Bible. All 73 books, free and legal, so you can read through them and see for yourself that what I'm about to say is true. In those books, Satan shows up exactly three times: when he's testing Joshua, to see if he has what it takes to lead the proto-Jews, when he's pushing Job to test his mettle, and when he's tempting Jesus to see if He'll crack under the pressure of His hunger, fatigue, and lust for power. That is what Satan DOES- tests people by tempting them to see if they'll turn, and to teach them what it is that tempts them, so they know their moral weak points. It's not a fun role to have to encounter, but there's nothing the least bit evil about it; it's a necessary confrontation to cut through the bullshit and show people what they truly are. To hold up the mirror when you can't bear to look into it.

Satan is a loyal, if perhaps unpleasant to deal with, servant of God. The whole "embodiment of all evil" thing is describing Ahriman, who's from a different religion altogether.

[rosek]

That's a very interesting concept that I haven't heard of. What about the idea that Satan is a fallen angel? How is he a loyal servant of God if he is a fallen angel?

[MementoMori777]

He was a loyal servant of God until he got prideful and try to be more powerful than God and tried to outrule God so God banished him from heaven where he fell and the angels that followed him, fell with him, that's where "fallen angels" comes from, fallen angels are demons

[rosek]

@MementoMori777 Okay, but how does that make him a loyal servant of God CURRENTLY?

[MementoMori777]

It doesn't, it makes him the cause of evil and wickedness

[rosek]

@MementoMori777 That's not what the post I am responding to said.

[MementoMori777]

That's why I joined the chat, I saw confusion, me fix confusion lol

[rosek]

@MementoMori777 I see what you're saying, but it seems the main commenter has a different belief than yours. What you are stating is what I believe. I want to know what this guy believes and why.

[MementoMori777]

People twist the word, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he meant it in the past tense lol

[NamerOfStars]

@rosek Without getting TOO in-depth, you've got a bunch of different (but related) entities bouncing around here, so let's put together a roster:

-Malak Ta'us, the Peacock angel who defied Xwede, but in a way that the latter approved of (Yadzidism). He's often conflated with:
-Iblis, the lord of the devils, who was thrown out of heaven for the same reason Malak was elevated; refusing a command from Allah to bow down to Adam (the Muslims see the defiance as more important than the reasoning behind it (as they'd been told to bow to none but God)) (Islam). This reaction probably stems from:
-Lucifer, the Morningstar, the angel that rebelled against Yahweh for reasons that aren't consistently specified (Christianity). Modern interpretations of him largely stem from confusion with:
-Ahriman, the origin and source of evil and corruption, an equal (or near-equal; a distinct entity rather than a rogue creation in any case) (Zarathustranism).

All of these get jumbled up with Satan (or Shaitan)(some form of pre-Judaic polytheism), which isn't a name, but a title, a role that may have at some point been performed by a distinct being (the scholarship is sketchy, and my grasp on it even more so), but was applied pretty liberally to many distinct HUMANS in various Israelite texts.

[jorfan3]

The term "satan" is actually translated out to mean "accuser". So instead of their being one named "Satan", I believe there are several "satans" in our lives. I do personally believe in fallen angels and demons, and I believe they are satans.

But we can have satans in our physical lives as well: abusive partners, bad bosses, toxic parents. A satan is someone that accuses, not necessarily one singular person.

[Multi_personality]

Depends who you ask..

For me----

all entities are very capable of evil and good. Satan is not real-

Lucifer Morningstar is an angel

[GreenLanternI0I]

Just look at Hollywood and Music Industry and you tell me. The stuff they are pushing onto people, things like LGBDQ, drag queens in Kindergarten and now pedophilia, this is not natural or normal, but it is satanic in nature. Satan and his minions were able to administer a 100 billion dollar+ DNA changing Death Shots (depopulation agenda by the year 2030) to ALL across the whole world in less than 1 year and yet they cannot provide enough food and water for people in dirty poor countries?

The greatest trick Lucifer has ever pulled on people, is he convinced entire world that he doesn't exist. And when you don't believe in Lucifer, you don't believe in Hell. If you don't believe in Hell, you can do everything bad and brutal to humanity, thinking that there will be no repercussions or judgement. That is Exactly why our world is so dark, so corrupt, so bloody, so miserable sad and depressed.

[sawno]

To me its more of a metaphor or a state of being. The corruption of the good into something evil. Created trough free will, empowered trough suffering. But lets say Satan is real, if he went away the chain reaction of evil would not stop. So there is more to it than just the devil, and just like in the stories most of the actual evil deeds are up to us. You might feel strong temptation, but you can also choose to resist.

[FreyaRed]

Metaphor or rather instrumentalization. Its wisdom and free think that is considered Satan and enemy by Abrahamic cults.

[jshm2]

That's a rather daft dichotomy you have there, kiddo.

[MementoMori777]

I'm Christian so I believe Satan is a fallen angel, so an entity

[FunkyMonkee]

A fairy tale, just like Jesus and god or anything else you might find in the bible.

[AngryCarl]

Satan is a metaphor, what kind of metaphor depends on whether you're a Christian or a Satanist.

[standardguy]

Satan was Lucifer, an angel near the throne of God but he proud of his beauty and then he was jealous on the Son of God and so rebelled against God.

[dancaps2]

He certainly exists and is subtley revealing himself in the present time. The Bible was right after all.

[DesiUwU]

i <3 satan

[slatyb]

Neither God not Satan are real. Ask any Satanist.

[Chazmatazz269]

Could be real. Probably is just a metaphor.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

100% real major p. o. s.

[MountAverage]

Same as God, just a metaphor.

[BBFDancer]

Cause I'm a Christian.