How did John in Revelation get some things so right and others so wrong?

[SeekerOfTruth007]

Correct Predictions or Descriptions:

-Red Giant phase of the Sun. He describes the Sun as becoming "Seven times brighter' and the sea boiling away.

-New Jerusalem: He correctly knows that Diamond is the only substance you can build a city that big from and describes several types of diamonds and other very hard gemstones used int he foundations of the city.

-He describes a "Bottomless Pit" or Black Hole concept prophetically around 1700 years before anyone else explored this concept scientifically.

Incorrect predictions:

-If an object made of Diamond the size of the New Jerusalem was set on present day Earth's continents, it would melt through the crust and sink into the Mantle. So this prediction is ultimately wrong.

-Flat Earth. John describes Earth as "Foursquare" with angels on each corner holding back the winds. The author of the book of Job knew the earth was a Sphere, so why did John get it so wrong?

-"End of Time". There is no evidence that time would end even if the universe itself ended. After all, Time is just a measure of relative changes between two objects. If Time itself ended, then our existence in "Heaven" would be one MEANINGLESS debacle.

-John's God is a petulant child who destroys all life on the planet several times in Revelation, even though the Genesis God promised to never do that again and made an EVERLASTING COVENANT with humans to never destroy life again.

-The Jesus in Revelation claims to both be God and worship another God other than himself. Isaiah instead says there is no God formed before Yahweh, no SAVIOR beside Yahweh, and there shall be no God after Yahweh. Therefore, Jesus cannot logically be one and the same as Yahweh.

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So I obviously don't believe in Infallibility of the bible, but how did John get the correct parts correct after all? Was it just some lucky guesses?

[strateguy632]

I select 3 easy ones: Isaiah 'after me no god will be' but as you yourselves wrote 'same' therefore Yahweh is still there so not after. Easy.

2. Flat means in the revelation vision he saw the four corners. But agreed with job-book about land. Easy.

3. A diamond the size of a city would be massive and heavy! so even without a miracle, would sink due to weight. Like a house settles so a city size diamond even faster! If i am wrong and naturally IMPOSSIBLE then it will happened by miracles. Easy! So the others are also true by knowing.

[strateguy632]

Wait you meant it WOULD sink so why won't it sink? Okay that is the miracle.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

You can't invoke miracles to explain everything in the universe. Isaac Newton proved the Universe obeys LAWS. By definition, a Miracle does not obey laws, so miracles cannot and do not explain anything.

I believe in God all my life, but I have never once seen a Miracle, unless you count minor healings. If miracles are real, why can't so-called Pastors heal people in a wheelchair or people who are born retarded or both retarded and in a wheelchair, or whatever we're supposed to call vegetables? It's nonsense.

[NathanDavis]

plenty and many of other ancient civilizations like the Maya, some Hindu, and Asian cultures already had concepts about "endless voids" which are far more "accurate" and akin to what in theory, is a black hole... and that's a singularity point

the concept of a "bottomless pit" is not really the idea of black hole... and the whole point of gravity going weird like that just makes it "wrong" and not a "prediction" lol

[slatyb]

Because it was just made up, maybe epileptic hallucinations. (Look up Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and Religiousity). Given any long text we can connect parts of it to actual events and then pretend it predicted the future.

[BCRanger10]

You should read a book called The Lamb's Supper by a man named Dr. Scott Hahn.