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In Revelation, there are several facts which prove the original author somehow was given futuristic knowledge of materials science and physics.
1) He knows the only substance strong enough to make the New Jerusalem is Diamond.
2) He knows what Black Holes and Worm Holes are, which weren't postulated Scientifically until John Mitchell proved they existed, about a generation before Einstein was even born.
3) He knows the Sun has a Red Giant phase which is "seven times hotter" (in Hebrew, when someone says "seven" it means an indefinite number larger than seven). The Sun will actually burn around 2000 times brighter during the Red Giant phase.
3b) He knows that if the Sun burns "seven" times brighter, the Oceans on Earth will dry up and boil away... yet he claims humans will still be alive on the Earth during this time period... somehow... which as far as we can tell scientifically, that would be 5 billion to 5.5 billion years in the future.
Yet, Revelation claims Jesus was God in the flesh and some 28 times makes the claim that salvation is by the "Blood of the Lamb" (Jesus)... even though Numbers 23:19 says God is NOT a man nor the Son of Man.
So what is a person supposed to believe about this stuff after all?
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Numbers 23 was written roughly 1,500 years before Mary was even created. In the time of Moses God had not taken on flesh, thus when God spoke through Moses 1,500 years before the creation of Mary this was a true statement that God is NOT a man nor the Son of Man as your New King James Bible states. It doesn't say that God won't ever take on flesh, it's just a truthful statement at that time in history when numbers was written. I don't see where the hangup for you is here. If you were to ask me right now if I am drinking coffee and I were to say I'm not drinking coffee. Then in a half hour from now I go make a pot of coffee and pour a cup to drink, would you be like AH HA! You were drinking coffee I knew it! You said you were not drinking coffee, but you are in fact drinking coffee after all.. What am I to believe? Contradiction! Contradiction! No, you have to consider the conversation's context.
God does not need to become a man to forgive sins. it says so in Isaiah 5 that an Angel forgave the speaker's sins and God forgave him. The claim that God would become a man and die in humans place is nonsense, because God can already forgive sins without that step. He's Almighty.
I don't understand what the hangup is for Christians. "They claim to worship God because he allegedly died for them, but then they don't actually obey any of the commandments of God. Why can't Christians obey and Worship God because He deserves it to begin with?
I don't understand what the hangup is for Atheists either. They know there's a God and they know prophecy is real, and yet they reject God anyway.
Explain why there are at least 9 or 10 different contradictory origin stories of Jesus in the NT. It's as if the disciples and Paul couldn't make up their mind who or what Jesus was. One place calls him the Son of Man, another place calls him the son of a Virgin Another calls him the Son of God, another calls him the Son of the Holy Spirit, another calls him "the entirety of God dwelling bodily"; but then who did he pray to? And so on.
Your argument is akin to someone saying, "God is not a Cartoon character yet, but he could become Mickey Mouse if he wanted to be."
Then if some idol worshiper says, "God is in fact Mickey Mouse," then you might believe that God has become Mickey Mouse just because someone claimed to see Mickey Mouse perform a miracle.
You sure do type a lot to try to avoid the context of the text. Are you that scared to face the truth?
I'm not avoiding the context at all. God is Almighty, and as such doesn't need to die on a cross to forgive sins. It says so in Isaiah 5.
Anyway, regardless fo what people think of Jesus, these three prophecies in the Book of Revelation prove that Divine Foreknowledge is real, and that proves that not only is Atheism wrong and ridiculous, but that Atheism is unscientific and immoral.
Nobody said the Word had to specifically die on a cross for men, even though prophecy of Messiah strongly confirms the details of Jesus' arrival, life, and death up to and including how Roman soldiers would gamble over his clothing. What people said, is that God choose to die in the human sense for men out of love and then resurrected. So not only can't you not admit that Numbers came 1,500 prior to Jesus' arrival in the flesh temporarily, thus it is not a contradiction, but you can't even be honest about what other's people's religions state openly and clearly, nor can you be honest about what prophecy in the Tanakh states. You don't seem to be interested in truth whatsoever.
BS. I study the Rabbis and they all reject Jesus. The Emanuel prophecy in context was clearly talking about Isaiah's first son, not some coming god-man redeemer.
So you're telling me that all the Israelites reject Jesus, yet somehow Christianity became a religion due to what happens among the Israelites in the middle of Judea. All of the Apostles are Israelites (i. e Jews). Paul for example leaves the Sanhedrin to become a Christian and faces constant persecution for his reward, yet "all reject Jesus". How's that work? You know ten tribes of Israel don't just "vanish". Most of Israel accepted the prophecy of Messiah, and you are left with some Jews who cling to Rabbinic Judaism, Kabbalah, and other deviations from Torah whom claim to be primarily from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin. It would seems the opposite of what you say is truth. Most of Israel accepted Messiah and some rejected him, but among those who rejected Jesus even today you have those who are moving toward Messianic Judaism. So when you say "all", it comes off very disingenuous.
You cannot find a single jewish rabbi who accepts Jesus as anything other than a false prophet.
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Leading jewish rabbi says exactly what I said. "God is not a man".
There is no God before Yahweh, no God beside Yahweh, and there shall be no God after Yahwah - Isaiah.
Therefore there is no trinity and no "Son of God".
If you want to put your faith in the Talmud rather than the Torah that's on you. One is man's law and the other is God's law. So choose to believe in man over God if that's your prerogative, but I would argue that it is an unwise position.
no, i believe in God. Christians are the ones who believe in a dead man. Stop lying. you're projecting your own false doctrines onto me now.
If you watch Tovia Singer's videos, he proves from the real Hebrew language that the Christian bible, including the Septuagint and the King James, FAKES prophecies that absolutely do not say the same thing in the original Hebrew. For example, the Emanuel prophecy in Hebrew absolutely does not promise a "Virgin" giving birth to anyone. It says a YOUNG WOMAN who was Isaiah's own wife, was going to have a son named Emanuel. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Messiah or Jesus.
Later, the christians FAKED the fulfillment of those passages, and they FAKED the resurrection of Jesus.
Dying for a cause does not prove the cause was true. Muslims blow themselves up as terrorists. Jim Jones cultists killed themselves just because he told them to do so, so 900 people drank cyanind and died in one day because their "god-man" told them to do it.
There is no such thing as a god-man. Period.
Malachi said God does not change, so how can you claim God changed into a man to die on a cross for no good reason whatsoever? Dying on a cross solves absolutely nothing for anybody and only adds to confusion and nonsense.
I'm positive that you don't even know your own doctrine...
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One question. God is not Mickey Mouse, but do you believe God could become Mickey Mouse in the future just to save Cartoons from Hell?
I never claims God changed into a man, nor does any Christian. The Word of God took on a human nature and maintained a divine nature that has always existed. You don't even understand Christianity or Judaism, yet you think you are the judge. It's pretty funny really. You just shoot in the dark.
I mean, how do you know Cartoons aren't "real"? Your version of "God" could change his mind and make cartoons real, then he'd need to be Mickey Mouse and die in Mickey Mouse's place to save Mickey Mouse, because Mickey Mouse is a Wizard and Wizards go to Hell.
You are ignorant. I was born and raised in a Christian family and thought I worshiped "God" AS A CHRISTIAN FOR 36 YEARS. God never once answered a single prayer of mine the entire time i was a christian, and when I finally understood that Numbers 23:19 is a pre-emptive rebuke of Jesus, I RENOUNCED JESUS AND CHRISTIANITY, and I heard a voice from HEAVEN speak to me and say, "BLESS YOU, WADE."
Christianity is a demonic religion and I am NEVER going back to it for any reason whatsoever. I dont' care if it is somehow real.
Yet you don't even understand the core doctrine of Christianity. It's pretty amazing that you can be a hypocrite 36 years and not realize it.
You can pray in the name of Jesus all you want, and God absolutely will NOT answer your prayers.
You can cry and huff and puff, and prya for other people's well-being and healing, etc. You can fast and pray five hours per day seven days per week for TEN YEARS and God absolutely WILL NOT answer your prayer in the name of Jesus. I know because I've been there and tried all that, and it's a LIE.
I do understand the core doctrine of Christianity, that's why I reject it. Idiot.
The core doctrine of christianity claims that God cannot forgive our sins except by becoming a man and dying on a cross. That's what the entire New Testament is about, and it's a DEMONIC LIE.
That's what I've been telling you and you're too damned brainwashed to use your mind for anything other than parroting what some dead man allegedly said 2000 years ago.
Yeah well I kind of slack on all that prayer, ritual worship, and church stuff. I just try to live a good life and don't ask for much from God, but tend to get a lot of help and signs... I don't know if I'm deserving or not, but that's not my call.
I got a challenge for you:
If God is Jesus, this should be easy for Him to perform this simple test of the Divinity of Jesus.
Get a Six-side dice from a game board you own, and pray over it in the name of Jesus.
If God is Jesus, let the Six Sided Dice roll a "1" three times in a row.
If God is Jesus and Jesus is Almighty, why can't Jesus prove it with such a simple test?
I've done the NEGATIVE and prayed "If Jesus is not God, let the dice roll "1" three times in a row" and it rolled "1" three times in a row.
I promise you, Jesus of Nazareth and all of his disciples are false prophets and they died deaths appropriate for false prophets.
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So you asked God to help you win a dice game? hmmm... Yeah I don't see myself ever doing that, especially considering the Roman soldiers cast lots to gamble over Jesus' clothing (Psalm 22:18)... That kind of seems inappropriate.
The disciples cast lots to determine who was going to be the new 12th disciple you devil -worshiping hypocrite.
It kind of seems like a sore point, you know like rubbing salt in a wound...
Psalm 22:18
hey divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment.
John 19:23-24
When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.
“Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.”
This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled that said,
“They divided my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.”[a]
So this is what the soldiers did.
Jesus claimed that if you asked ANYTHING in his name, he would do it.
I asked Jesus to prove he was Almighty God on camera, and he failed to do it.
Therefore Jesus lied, which means he is not God and since his entire fake "ministry" was him claiming to be God and demanding everyone worship him, that proves he was a false prophet.
That was written by JOhn, who was verifiably insane. The only reason the Romans didn't put John to death is because their law pardoned people who were insane, and so they put him into exile.
They executed all of the other disciples for preaching a provably false God-man.
I already told you, the Jewish Rabbis have proven the Christians faked all of this anyway.
All I need to prove Jesus was a liar is quote JOhn 3:16. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beiieveth on him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
Every christian who has ever believed in Jesus has perished, including the 12 disciples, so Jesus was a liar.
You should realize when lots were cast in the Bible, it was in front of the Lord so that men did not make the choice in their favor. It was to detach important decisions making from men and place it in Gods hands, so that impartially and unbiased results could be achieved. It was up to God. In contrast you specifically are doing the exact opposite, asking for favoritism so results are always decided in your favor to satiate your greed. Like I said, you don't understand Judaism or Christianity.
YOU DON'T KNOW ME YOU FALSE ACCUSING DEVIL.
What have I done that had anything to do with Greed?
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.
Gideon Asked God for a SIGN to make a wet fleece and then a dry fleece.
I asked God for a SIGN to prove whether Jesus was God or not, and God proved Jesus was not God.
You are the lying and fallse accusing hypocrite here. I've done nothing wrong.
I have never stolen anything in my life since I was 6 or 7years old, and have at times given away my entire paycheck to poor people.
You are a lying false accusing devil and that's all you are.
I did no such thing, liar.
I asked God to prove whether Jesus was God or not and he proved Jesus was not God.
That's all I did.
you are a liar and don't even know the Ten Commandments.
Read your bible tha tyou claim to believe in, buddy, because the Real God is going to judge you by the Book of Revelation that you claim to believe is inspired and infallible. Your God-man told you ALL LIARS (FALSE ACCUSERS) HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
YOU JUST FALSELY ACCUSED ME SEVERAL TIMES OF THINGS I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NEVER DONE. AT THE VERY LEAST YOU OWE ME A FOUR-FOLD PENALTY.
Did you not ask to receive favoritism on the dice roll to land on the number 1 three times in a row, rather than leave it up to God?
LOOK, I'm not conversing with you anymore. You are a false accuser first of all, and secondly I absolutely proved you wrong both from the Bible and from a very simple test. If Jesus was who he claimed to be, why didn't he answer a very simple prayer?
Because he can't' answer prayers. He's dead and in the grave, and praying in the name of Jesus is blasphemy and Necromancy, that's why.
greedy (adj.)
Old English grædig (West Saxon), gredig (Anglian) "voracious, hungry," also "covetous, eager to obtain,"...
Were you not eager to obtain an answer on your own terms rather than willing to wait.
No I tried to have a civil discussion, and then you accused me of not een knowing my own religion and saccused me of beeing "greedy'.
You'pre a false accuser and you're not worthy of someone like me to ttalk to you. i hope you rot in hell to be honest.
You don't know your religion. Repeating that you know it when you contradict the religion at every turn shows you don't know it. You've proved my case over and over again.
At that time god was not a physical man yet. As phrase elaborated here.
Atheists would answer "none of your quotes were actually written. "
Atheists have avoided this thread, because they know they can't win the debate about the Scientific Foreknowledge. So instead, they just hardened their hearts against God that much more.
Probably none of this really matters to anyone.
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