What’s the difference between a normal Jew & Zionist Jew?

[TonyMetal___86]

When Israel was reclaimed back in 1948, it's been said that the entire Jews in the world can come back to their homeland again and that they have a country now...

I see a lot of Jews who are against the comeback, plus i saw many Rabbis and Chief Rabbis who are against it because they have mentioned that God had forbid them to have their own country or to reclaim their homeland again and they were ordered to be scattered around the world... etc

Can someone explain to me, what's the truth and who is right, who is wrong? 🤔

[Lliam]

Judaism is a religion and a culture based on religion, similar to other religious cultures. Think Amish, Quakers, Catholics, Anglicans and other Christian sects and denominations, Muslim sects and denominations in various parts of the world, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. who have their own religious beliefs, practices and cultures.

Zionism is a political ideology that has evolved in Israel into an ideology of racism, Jewish supremacy and justification of ethnic cleansing and genocide in the name of ethno-nationalism.

As an ethnocentric ideology, Zionism is similar to Nazism, which strove to create an ethnically pure, master race.

Many Israelis are actually atheist. Yet, for propaganda purposes, claim that God promised them the land of Palestine. And they claim to represent all Jews.

However, many religious Jews, including Rabbis and former Israelis, reject Zionism and the existence of the State of Israel.

[TonyMetal___86]

Thanks for the clarification, so now the people who controls Israel are all zionists?

[Lliam]

Yes. The worst kind imaginable.

[strateguy632]

1. A "non Zion jew" is secular and a jew due to family. A Zion jew wants return to ancient homeland. 2. Some oppose Zionism because "messiah didn't come yet". They quote the traditional "do not return to Israel by force" which is not appropriate after balfour declaration. It was not taken by force. They are objective WRONG and baseless. Zionist is truth and history legitimate.

[TonyMetal___86]

Now i'm lost, what's your opinion about the comments of @Massageman and @Lliam, because their opinions are the opposite of yours...

It's really weird that some Jews supports zionism and others doesn't while they are all coming from the same religion and are taught the same principals...

Anyways, i can understand from your answer that a secular Jew doesn't want to return to his homeland because the messiah didn't come yet but Zionists came back to their homeland, doesn't it means that they believe that the messiah had already came and that's why they came back 🤔

[strateguy632]

sorry no. but all jews agree messiah did not come. secular are separated from bible faith.

[strateguy632]

i agree with @Massageman

[strateguy632]

not same principle due to secular.

[TonyMetal___86]

The jews who opposes the return to their homeland, are they wrong or right? So we can say that the jews in Israel are all zionists right?

[strateguy632]

you would expect that! but it was tricky. the "jews who oppose the return to their homeland," are wrong according to their own books.
most jews in israel are zionist but one group is half zionist. they came for the holy land like place. but opposing the government because the government is secular. they protest it and teach their kids 'better a jordan king rule us, instead of jews who don't obey judaism religion '.

[TonyMetal___86]

And in you're opinion who is the right one?
I though that the jews are all the same, they read the Talmud and everyone follows the same teachings, especially that they are a small group compared to other religions, but now it turns out that they are like us, we all read the bible but each group has their own interpretations snd traditions such as cathlolics, orthodox, evangelicans, mormons and the list doesn't ends haha

[Cidknee]

I think in Isaiah there's the dry bones scripture where Isaiah speaks about the renewal of Israel after it was dead. Isaiah is old testament so I don't understand what their deal is. Also a telling event occurred when taking Israel from the Ottomans by the leader of the British army. His name caused the surrender of the forces and he rode his white horse in.
Allenby or something like that.

[TonyMetal___86]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏻

[Cidknee]

You got it, hoss!

[jshm2]

LOL, a zionist Jew isn't really a jew - only jew-ish.

There can be no biblical Israel without Judah, and most zionists in Israel are immigrants with no link to the Hebrews or the land.

Hence the fight in the place, as most of them are Edomites pretending to be Jews.

[TonyMetal___86]

Thanks for sharing, it's really hard to find what's the real truth, cause as you can see that each one has a different answer 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dargil]

The normal Jew is Israeli. American Jews have lost their way. Except Orthodox and Hasidic. Like Chuck Schumer or Bernie Sanders.

[TonyMetal___86]

Thanks for sharing but you didn't answer my question about the difference between a normal jew and a zionist jew 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dargil]

If you read my answer and applied critical thinking, you would know what I said.

[TonyMetal___86]

Sorry i read it many times but it's like a mind game, i couldn't understand it except that normal jews are israelis, so is bernie sanders and chuck schumer zionists cause they are orthodox and hasidic 🤔

[AngryCarl3]

@Dargil Well Bernie isn't really a Jew because he doesn't follow the religion. So he's just Jewish.

[Dargil]

@AngryCarl3 Hitler would have fried him anyway.

[Massageman]

The Zionist believes in the (re) establishment of "the state". So, while all Zionists are Jewish, not all Jews are Zionists.

[TonyMetal___86]

That the core of the question, they are all Jews but are different, some believes in the re establishment of the state and others doesn't, but speaking religiously, who are the ones who are right? The Jews against the re establishment or the Jews who supports the state?