In the lords prayer is it debts, trespasses, or sins?

[purplepoppy]

There's actually a couple of versions in the bible and of course the one you know would have been translated and adapted by your local church.

One interesting difference is whether we ask God to forgive our debts, trespasses, or sins.

So out of curiosity, which one are you familiar with?

Debts

Trespasses

Sins

A total of 31 votes were cast: 7 girls and 24 guys. See detailed results

[Laws-Of-Existence]

It is best to wipe all of these ideas out of existence.

It makes people treat "remorse" like a belittling humiliating thing. Which makes people practice remorse less. Which causes emotional illness. Seriously, without regular practice of remorse one is guaranteed to be mentally ill, but it is impossible to feel remorse when prayer is involved. Then it is at most, only regret, or just endless useless shame.

Think about this: amidst emotionally charged "fighting" with words, why do people say mean things? Specifically unsubstantiated mean things that aren't really true (of course healthy people don't do that, just those whose stress tolerance is overwhelmed).

To numb themselves. When we harm others we become less sensitive. That's why people with inner tumroil harm others too. We cope with pain by being evil shits because if we value life less then it doesn't hurt that our life isn't valued.

Then, remorse is a necessary part of what it takes to reverse this numbness. It doesn't actually have to be painful and scary or humiliating. Religion makes it seem so. But humans are capable of remorse that feels as natural as solving a mathematical equations. ㅤ

[andreasderjuengere]

Translated to English 'trespasses' is closest.
The German version/s leave room for interpretation. Pronounce it slightly different, and it becomes something like: ''Forgive our trespasses in the same manner as we forgive them to others.''
This can be seen as a reminder, or as a warning.

[Kassandra1994]

Religoun was invented to manipulate and control people. Church need to be taxed.

[Lliam]

I was raised Catholic and we said trespasses.

[AviatorTom]

I learned trespasses asa a kid, and later learned that trespasses is a fancy word for sins

[BCRanger10]

I think most are familiar with "trespass", but I've also seen it as "debts". It just depends on the translation.

[NathanDavis]

brah brah brah

[LiamJHayden]

Debts in Matthew, sins in Luke. Trespasses is from English liturgical tradition.

[exitseven]

forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us.

[robocop666]

you believe in religion? technology is so advanced your on a computer in the internet and you believe this rubbish

[purplepoppy]

No just curious what people are most familiar with

[robocop666]

oh ok sorry

[LiamS95]

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us.

[mrkdvsn]

"forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors". The way I knew it as I was growing up.

[NoDecision]

Same. I was raised a Baptist.

[mrkdvsn]

@NoDecision I remember our family going to a Baptist church for several years before we, for some reason, switched to a neighborhood "Alliance" church

[Dargil]

I would use offenses and offenders.

[pierre7i]

Raised Catholic it's trespasses !

[lightbulb27]

Isn't it F ups?

[Anonymous]

My church always says trespasses.

[gasman70]

does it really matter, it's all about the forgiveness aspect and the only switch up is for the ability for one to relate. sins, trespasses, debts, all the same idea.

[Opinion Owner]

@gasman70 I’m just answering her question about which one I use, like she asked. I didn’t say anything about it mattering.

[gasman70]

sorry, I thought I was in the general post opinion part, my apologies

[Ill_made_Knight]

trespasses

[Paige2006]

Debts