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I know I'm only 16 but if I still never get asked on a date or still remain invisible to guys, or have any romantic/sexual encounter with anyone in real life by the time I'm 20 I will officially label myself as going WGTOW. I have four years to figure this shit out, if not, I'm winding up alone for the rest of my life.
Not true just relax as a woman you are in the fortunate position of being able to sit back judge your suitors and keep rejecting until one of them floats your boat. Don't worry
@Primemutton lol no guy seems to even like me so it's not like it's ever gonna happen lol
I am 46 and have never had as much as a date. I can assure you that at your age no need to worry just yet PM me if i can give you any advice that you don't want making public
@Primemutton
Chances are good you will figure it out in the next four years.
Oops sorry that was for Lonewolf
@raspberry0416 lol but its about right you need a degree to work out what to say.
@raspberry0416 4 years of intensive study
That's only in America. You people are crazy with everthing, everything is over rated and you are fine with it. I never had this feeling to approach a woman, because am not in over rated murica. people are nice, men and women are nice and pleasant. You created a big bubble that can't be taken a way. People would say '' well Europe is different'' in this case it sure is and it's good. Our young people are doing fine compared to your youngesters.
The connection between MIGTOW and Red Pill is in error. They are separate movements.
As for where it comes from. The way to change this is to stop this campaign of fear, demonizing of men and boys. Men are not inherently dangerous, regardless of what the government would like people to think.
Not exactly. Red Pill is essential to the MGTOW decision. You are conflating Red Pill and PUA. Pick Up Artists have nothing to do with Red Pill or MGTOW. They are a cult unto their own, are not concerned with MRA, feminism or anything of that matter.
The Red Pill Movement as you call it, is nothing but a bunch of old queens seducing angry horny young men into being accepting of gay sex.
There are plenty of straight guys out there who will never swing that way, so no, the species isn't in trouble. Though I imagine plenty of Red Pill guys will wake up one day with a bad taste in their mouth, and a nasty case of nappy rash.
You're a fucking moron.
There is no 'Red Pill Movement'.
Red Pill hasn't a damn thing to do with sexuality.
God Damn you're stupid. smh
@RedCar Take it up with the poster, who says and I quote "The MGTOW or "Red Pill" movement is gaining a lot of steam lately and more and more guys are saying, "to hell with women.""
Not the same thing.
MGTOW's just want a life without the complication of a relationship.
Red-Pillers are glorified seduction artists who pretend to be intellectual because they are familiar with some shoddy psychology they toss around in their echo chamber. Generally shitty dudes as far as I'm concerned.
You're blowing these "movements" way out of proportion. Only a small, vocal portion of the internet even knows about it. I bet you could ask 100 millennials at random, and 90% wouldn't know what MGTOW even means.
Firstly, MGTOW is not a movement, it's a philosophy. There are no organizations and no leadership. MGTOW is growing organically, without the need for proselytize or recruitment.
Second, you might want to take a look at the Herbivore Men in Japan. It's a similar phenomenon to MGTOW, albeit for different cultural reasons. They are about 15 years ahead of western cultures in this regard. Some surveys indicate that 70% of Japanese men under 30 are Herbivore Men.
You don't need to know what Mgtow is, to be Mgtow. Most had no idea what it was but had been living it for a long time.
What would probably happen is that people would start reproducing in a lab style setting so guys jack off and doctors use the sperm to impregnate women. Also assuming that 100% of people would override their evolutionary prerogative is a poor assumption. I don't care how mad you are staying away from the opposite gender is really fucking hard long term (even for me and I'm usually a misanthrope)
I know some that have been staying away for over 30 years, it's not that hard when you have other interests.
In today's western society MEN ARE THE LOSERS and women are the only first class citizens.
It's better to not continue this society at all under the circumstances. Men should either be the only first class citizens, or equal to women. None of this feminazi crap. DIE FEMINIST SOCIETY... DIE!!!
MGTOW isn't gaining steam.. it's becoming a meme to the world attached to the internet. There is one small pocket of people that think it's a serious thing, but it's more of punchline to a joke.
Firstly, MGTOW is not a movement, it's a philosophy. There are no organizations and no leadership. MGTOW is growing organically, without the need for proselytize or recruitment.
Second, you might want to take a look at the Herbivore Men in Japan. It's a similar phenomenon to MGTOW, albeit for different cultural reasons. They are about 15 years ahead of western cultures in this regard. Some surveys indicate that 70% of Japanese men under 30 are Herbivore Men.
@VeritechAce No one said it was a movement or a philosophy. Nor is it growing organically... the only thing new about it is the acronym. A world of connectedness allowing a collective of distributed resources. Being japanese myself, i can assure you that the survey's you mention are nonsense. What's entertaining about MGTOW is the need to proselytize, as if going their own way is not actually believed. It's nonsensical.
I can guarantee it is a growing thing. I never even heard of it until this year but I had already gone with it about 8 years ago.
@randomocity By "growing thing" honestly you might be right... but if you take 2 pennies and double it you still have nothing. Personally, i believe if a guy wants to go do his own thing then more power to him. But like the one fellow said above, they don't go out and proselytize... nonsense. Just go do your own thing, that's what an independent strong minded person does... whether you call yourself MGTOW or not. There have alays been guys like this around long before you and I were here on earth, those guys just didn't have the internet on which to go promote themselves.
Well you would have 4 pennies, not nothing. But I don't really promote myself as anything and I stay away from relationships for different reasons then they say they do although I do agree with there reasons
Apparently my experience so far in the world is completely different, because besides seeing examples of whiny men on here, I really have never had a problem having well-adjusted relationships with like-minded females, and neither have any of my male friends.
This is the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. These guys aren't choosing anything... they can't the women that they really want... and it's because the hottest women are usually shallow... but these guys are pretty shallow too since they seem to simply want a trophy wife... but then they end up resent for acting like a trophy wife? People need to get laid.
I kind of wonder if women believe that their dating pool is only 70% of the male population. If you take the men who have as the question suggests taken themselves "out of the game" and the men who were never in the game because they don't know how to ask women out, surely this then means the men who know how to say the right words at the right time now have a massive advantage , fielders choice almost.
Actually it's funny because the moment I switched relationships (which was too much work) for hook ups (which is easy af to get nowadays) is the moment I became "not bitter" lol
and where is it easy AF, where u live bro
@Justin201 Vancouver Canada, it's a joke how easy it is around here
Canadian women have always been easy. Watch for STDs though!
MGTOW and WGTOW are going their own way in miniscule numbers. It's nothing to worry about.
And to be honest, there's this little evolutionary voice in the back of my mind who's all, "let all the MGTOW -- thin the competitions!" lol
Yea, that's what Japan probably thought, now look at them. They are offering people money for marriage and children.
@Truthatanycost I could be mistaken, but I thought that financial reward only came from childbirth -- not marriage.
I can't remember which but it's most likely from child birth. That whole problem started small just like all problems do. I see a lot of shaming and ''oh it's just a small subset of people'' lol but I bet Japan wished they did something earlier.
We MGTOWs embrace WGTOW! Go ahead, live a bachelorette life. Trust me, you couldn't live a life without a man! A man has more resource, more money in his bank than in your panties and can budget his money much better than you women! All women should go WGTOW and never come back!
bro if WGTOW becomes successful then that will pretty much comfirm the fact that feminism was a failure after all. so in the end guess who gets to pop the last champagne bottles?
aww sounds like you have had trouble with women.
@juliaanita and your point is?
@CasaNorba that is the point
@juliaanita I'm having a tough time comprehending you since you are talking like having trouble with women is an actual trouble to be ashamed of
@CasaNorba I am? From what in my statement did you come to that conclusion?
@juliaanita 'aww sounds like you have had trouble with women.' that's what you told us
@juliaanita "trouble with women"? What are you talking about? We men dont need women, you women offer us sex and children, that's about it. We can masturbate which that part is fully covered. We men are much wiser and more ambitious than you women (thank god for testosterone!). Success is in our blood!
@CasaNorba Us men! Why? Because we can survive more efficient than women!
@Yoloxt23 you tell her brother!
we must not forget that most of the most smartest and successful men in history were not successful with women at all. Isaac Newton, Nikola Tesla, Beethoven, Da Vinci, Aristotle just to name a few. also tell her how the "sex" these women offer nowadays isn't even worth it since it seems like women dont have a sex drive to begin with. they're only willing to have sex with you if they know they're gonna get some collateral out of you in the long run, so why even bother?
lets not forget that sex doesn't give you any shortcuts to success in life.
@CasaNorba Yeah! Women may survive longer (estrogen plays a role in preventing heart disease) but for survival, you need money and women are most likely to be in debt than men which brings me to the fact the majority (not all but most) women can't survive without a man and need his resources immediately.
@CasaNorba Exactly! There is always porn and money is better than pussy!
Naturally, us men always know how to survive. It's been down since caveman times, it's in our nature! Cavemen have hunted to survive, natives have also hunted to survive, nowadays we make money and stash it in our banks for later use! We've always survived better and more efficiently than women did and we still do!
wow. you sound like such dude. such a survivor. wow.
you all sound so bitter. its just not natural.
@juliaanita That's too fucking bad sweetheart. Life's a fucking bitch, deal with it!
@juliaanita feminists have always told us to suck it up and deal with, this can go to women like you too! Suck it up buttercup!
I don't have to suck anything up. I don't deal with men like you, losers like you. The guys I deal with, the men I work with are civil to the people around them, both men and women. We work together and solve problems together as equals. Guys like you, they are a dying species and will go down the same path as the dodo bird and Donald Trump. Sorry to tell you buddy. Haters gotta hate. But I steer as far from people like you as I can.
@juliaanita we dont care about your views and opinions. just remember that you came to us first which I dont see what was your point in the first place now that you've stated that...
"the men I work with are civil to the people around them, both men and women. We work together and solve problems together as equals."
if your coworkers are so damn perfected then I dont see why you are here wasting your time and hours with your overly opinionated statements.
@CasaNorba Exactly, tell her bud!
@juliaanita I feel sorry for any man who steps into your zone. You may think they'll cooperate with you but in their minds, you're just another stupid brainless cunt with nothing to bring into their lives. You're just another parasite in this earth!
These are just a small minority of people that are retarded that have no idea how to socialize because they spend too much time on the internet and developing a pretentious personality because of it. They et this stuff run their life cause they believe everyone is like that. Stupid women hating men, and sad either ugly or women with daddy issues just ruining the internet.
I don't think there is a "gender war." But then questions like this get posted and a gender battle starts which could progress into a gender war if I didn't leave this comment to remind people this whole thing is ridiculous.
There's no problem for women. The only people who lose out are the men who would rather have a partner but can't get one that they are happy with. If they would rather quit than improve themselves, well it's their life and their choice.
you are doing that same gender vs gender crap. ''theres no problem for women'' I can name over a dozen problems with women, but I can also do the same with men but I know, women are perfect and never the problem in this case. I mean, modern day fem didn't hurt a fly lol
@Bobbyhill1
I meant MGTOW doesn't cause problems for women, not that women are perfect
yeah that way of thinking does make women feel salty. After all, there are a bunch of women on the internet saying ''why dont guys get married anymore?'' ''why do guys like girls?'' they truly do care because each gender is pretty similar. I care about how women act in society because it effects me vice versa. Im pretty sure a mass scale of guys acting like this effects women who deal with them on a daily basis unless women are robots or the guy acting like this is truly undesirable to begin with. We are human after all, and the majority of us want acceptance and attention from the opposite gender, dont you agree?
@Bobbyhill1
I don't think there is a mass scale of guys acting like this. And the guys who do are generally undesirable. The fact that they act like this alone makes them undesirable.
haha I guess you do have a point. Not like I can relate with the guy part but women who act like they are to good for anybody is just off putting. I guess these guys also act as if, they are too perfect for any women
Sorry, I don't share your pessimistic attitude. If people were not so hung up about their own needs and try to bring your benefits to the table for others to enjoy with you, your disappointment to life, may subside.
I honestly feel like white older people are the ones who feel like this. The younger generation is definitely not the same lol
Actually, MGTOW started among black men, except it wasn't called MGTOW, or so the claim goes among the IMBOR community.
No! The MGTOW movement is made up of mostly younger guys aged 20-35 years old.
That's a lie. Im labeling as WGTOW and I'm 16.
Im 18 and Im one
almost 18
Sorry to burst your infantile bubble, but the marriage drought is chiefly among those under 35. Good luck to you, you'll need it.
@Lonewolf881 You're just one person lol
@RedCar I don't need luck lol. Anyways to all of you people, I'm stating my opinion so I really could careless what you think or say or what the "truth" is. I really don't care lol