So What About The Trans Folks (Page 2)

[Anonymous]

I think the fact that there are people calling themselves transgender means we should abolish gender in total and only refer to sex from now on, or make people accept it to be the mental illness that it is, without using that to discriminate or insult them.

[Browneye57]

They're insignificant in the big picture of things. But here you are trying to make a case. pfft.

[ladsin]

Huh?

[thechesseman]

What I don't understand is why they aren't just happy with being gay. Why cut off your penis or try to grow one?

[ladsin]

Well most Trans persons don't have surgery on their genitals. That's because it's less about biological differences than societal perception.

[thechesseman]

So a man in a dress is a trans person?

[ladsin]

That's not all that's really needed. Most drag queens, for example, aren't transgendered. Many are even straight which is really strange, but hey whatever not my business.
I've been using this photo as an example.

This person looks like a gentleman to me. If I met them I'd call them a fella, and use masculine pronouns for them. Why? Well because they look like one lol. I don't know what they did about their genitals though.

[thechesseman]

I too would think they're a man. But I think they tried to look more masculine with testosterone treatments. What happens to their mental health when you take away the steroids? It's the same thing that happens when they cut off a man's balls. Suicidal self hate. You can't just say everything is this now. It's a delusion that may need counselling during the transition. Finally androgen and estrogen dominance in women will cause uterine cancer. There are no public warnings or information about what these things can do to you. You can't just shut the issue in a closet over fear of hurting someone's feelings. That person looks proud of who they are. That's something we should make sure is happening at every step.

[ladsin]

Well I’m not really sure of any longitudinal studies on the long term effects of gonadotropin and androgen boosts in the context of transgendered persons (separate from say body builders using test boosts to excess resulting in increased estrogen production).

There are plenty of warning of the dangers of steroids, lol you can google them anywhere. I’m guessing that you’re referencing specifically in the context of transgendered persons and I’m quite certain that’s false. And if you’re insinuating that these doctors never inform their patients of the side effects and risks then that’s a massive violation of informed consent and all those doctors should be sued and lose their practices for malpractice.

As for the delusion bit. We’re all mildly delusional, most men think they’re better looking than they are and most women think they’re worse looking than they are. The more you lack skill in a certain field the more likely you are to think you’re rather proficient in it. Most people are prone to hallucinations in various contexts. Etc etc. The question should really be about whether or not the delusion is harmful. Secondarily if we agree that certain norms are societally constructed (let’s just say wearing a dress for ease) then should we be considerate of a person who wishes to engage in non-gender stereotypical behavior? How far should we go in either direction?

I pointed out the twin and sibling studies before, but we also know of many individuals in other species that seem to mimic what we would call transgender i. e snakes, lizards, beetles, fish, and birds.

[John_Doesnt]

It's nobody's business, but Christians like to make everything their business. And yes, it's just Christians who have a problem with it.

[ladsin]

Muslims don't like it.

[John_Doesnt]

Does anybody want to be on the same side as Muslims?

[roaring20sman]

@ladsin don't take what he says seriously. All he does is talk down on conservatives and Christians. Just another troll.

[Lliam]

I'm non-religious but I have a problem with it. I don't have a problem with people doing what they want. But what I do have a problem with is weirdos insisting that everyone accept them as normal. I'm pretty tired of trannies all over social media trying to talk heterosexual men into dating them and accepting them as authentic women. Bruce Jenner winning Woman of the Year was a slap in the face to all women. Having flaming trannies come in to teach elementary school children about how they, too, might be a transgender trapped in the wrong body is a sick form of social engineering.
Transition treatment is one of the biggest (most lucrative) growth industries today. Pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry are getting rich off of it. So they are helping to push sexual dimorphism as normal in order to get more people to undergo treatment. In order to do that, they need to get society to accept it.

[Poormanscomedian]

I wish they would all move to Canada. They would fit in there.

[ladsin]

Bunch of cannucks.

[Smegskull]

There is a huge philosophical chasm here. It isn't YOUR identity, it is societies identity for you. You no more get to choose your identity than you do your nickname.

[Lliam]

Nonsense.

[hawaiiangroove]

People over here judging trans people... but then again what do we call the GUYS that are into trans people? Hmmmmm

[JamesRandiDebates]

Fags?

[The_Dean]

☝️ blunt, but effective

[ThirtyEight]

Anyone who identifies as Transgender is mentally ill.

[ladsin]

Oy vey

[JamesRandiDebates]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRecnqwt9tU

[Wowgirl30q]

It's a mental illness and I hope they all seek help and get well

[loser_boy]

That was to long to read but I'm assuming it was good.

[ladsin]

Good

[honeybunns]

There are only two genders. Men and women.

[ladsin]

I didn’t disagree.

[Smegskull]

I think you mean "man and woman"... Or you mean "there are only to gender demographics"

[Marti434]

Interesting take, thanks for sharing!

[CT_CD]

Interesting myTake

[Leafpool2]

Good take. 👌

[Anonymous]

Good take.

[Anonymous]

Interesting