Why do most anti-feminist takes have next to no academic resources or statistics to help them with their arguments? I don't care about your feelings. I care about cold hard facts and science.
@Johannes8561 I like it when women can get things done without the assistance of guys they are quite capable of doing things. But when they do guys get all stressed about it and start saying it's feminism to blame !!!
Yeah man. I’m far left, going to be voting for Bernie Sanders in the Dem. primary and I agree with everything in this take.
Liberalism isn’t synonymous with approving of things like double standards.
Really, all liberalism is about is low-conscientiousness and high openness as well as a penchant for real fairness and real equality via egalitarianism.
Though I speak as someone different from older generations and different than SJW’s. I simply find conservativism suffocating.
@Robertcw By voting for Democrats or somebody like Bernie, isn't that only perpetuating or making the potential for things like this to get even further out of hand? Why do you believe people go right-wing or conservative?
@UncleJessieRabbit I believe that college should be tuition free for teenagers. I also believe healthcare should be funded by the public for the public collectively. I don’t believe in private health insurance.
I also believe in a $15/hour min wage for teenagers and college students so that they can afford to pay rent while they are in college working part time.
Those things improve the quality of life for everyone.
I also believe in the acceptance of diverse people in the same community.
Therefore I will be voting Bernie, but I’ll take a close look at Warren and O’Rourke as well.
Warren is a capitalist but she believes in putting a floor on poverty. Don’t know much about O’Rourke yet.
Essentially, I support politics that ensure that our basic needs are met at all times by virtue of being a citizen in this country.
If you are familiar with the Maslow Hierarchy of Needs, I advocate socialist policies that help ensure that the items listed at the bottom two sections
are never unmet.
This allows a person to be able to find greater purpose in life and commit themselves to higher quality work than if they were just fighting for table scraps all the time.
The next best musician could be stuck in the McDonalds just trying to make rent in three weeks and the world would never know because they don’t have time to pursue music. They don’t have the option. It’s a waste of their gifts and talents.
I think it is the women's turn to be drafted. Perhaps they need a taste of real problems instead of make believe ones like manspreading and the wage gap😂
What we need to do is make it so all women have to serve a mandatory 10 year service and keep all men out of the military, make the women do the heavy lifting and risk taking for once in god damn hostory
@Malik00 yes, just like any pre-term or severely disabled baby born, the parents and doctors decide between extreme life saving measures that may only prolong suffering and allowing the baby to pass away as they essentially cannot live outside the womb.
Not at all what this poster is suggesting.
Late-term abortions are not undertaken lightly, by people who just don't want a baby. There's only a tiny handful of physicians in the US who perform them, in only a few states. They really don't have time for elective procedures.
@DJZest I don't see you protest this at any maternity ward. Infants who cannot live outside the womb are allowed to die peacefully every day of the week.
I recently just hammered out a take on explaining the historical and cultural underpinnings of a lot of this material in the context of western society, and exactly where some men get offended today.
I try to have a neutral opinion, but I do think that there is a real double standard that isn’t quite right in the grand scheme of things.
@Robertcw Feminists want free anticonception and free abortion, to be independent from men they become dependent on state policy. How is that not socialist?
Because socialism is not about state control. That’s communism. Socialism is where the community literally is the state. The state dissolved into the community.
So rather than no governance, we literally govern ourselves. That’s socialism.
But governing ourselves isn’t enough, socialism tends to be governing ourselves with an egalitarian ethical framework.
To be honest, women are pretty capitalistic. Think about the sexual market. Think about what sexual market socialism might look like. Just imagine what that might entail: ‘everyone has the right to sex.’
Yes it is socialism. You’re confusing communism with socialism. They are not the same thing.
Socialism is direct governance without representation. Communism is an all powerful leader-state that does not represent the people nor is it elected.
Economically, socialism is where each individual gets 100% of the fruits of their own labor. Nobody owns their labor. Nobody owns the means of production.
In communism, the state owns the means of production and distributes the fruits of the collective labor collectively to the group. That’s not socialism.
@Robertcw No you got it wrong. Communism is supposed to create a commune where the state devolves into the people. The end stage of socialism is a system with no market where people are dependent on the state as central planner and distributor of everything. Hence why I said feminism is too socialist as it is relying on state policy for abortion and anti-conception as opposed to the market.
If the state dissolved into the people, then how could that mean the ‘state’ controls anything?
Are you opposed to decisions about governance being made by your fellow citizens? If so, then that’s where we disagree.
Also, do you enjoy being owned by your employer? If so, that’s also where we disagree. I want to own the means to my own production. Period. I’m not ‘okay’ with being owned and having 99% of the fruits of my work go to some business owner.
I support rent control for tenets who are teenagers and college students, and for a clause that prevents renters from discriminating against potential tenets based on their age or eligibility for rent control law and for one which prevents renters from inflating rent above market value for potential tenets who qualify for rent control law, so that they don’t rip off and take advantage of young people in college who need shelter if there is not enough on campus housing.
Students aren’t people to be exploited. I like liberalism because progressives are the ones who stand up and say ‘you can’t do that. Piss off douche.’ And then pass a law that makes X thing illegal dropping the ban hammer on practices that exploit or take advantage of other people in ways that harm the future of the country. It’s the obvious choice in my opinion.
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Why do most anti-feminist takes have next to no academic resources or statistics to help them with their arguments? I don't care about your feelings. I care about cold hard facts and science.
These arguments are beat to death so often that I had to visit a morgue to read them.
Lmao😂
I also hate feminism.
If you against feminist, I'm against YOU!!! 🤧
@ravagesavage sureeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
You were brainwashed by Islam
No wonder why you hate feminism
@HeyThere94 If you would like to tell me how I've been brainwashed?
Islam teaches women that they are second class citizens
Hol up man! You fr believe in feminism?
@HeyThere94 And for reasons you won't understand.
We are equal in different ways.
Feminism is man hating and complaining about men and playing the victim hate feminists
Don't hold back, I love seeing feminists get triggered
If what you say is true. It's great women have the upper hand it's about time. They have been userpted for far too long !!!
No, it's not true and Women are very far from having the upper hand #MGTOW
@Johannes8561 I like it when women can get things done without the assistance of guys they are quite capable of doing things. But when they do guys get all stressed about it and start saying it's feminism to blame !!!
And this my friend is why millions of men are leaving the US and the west, myself included.
Why are people still going on about feminism? Yes, feminism is cancer. It's bullshit. Why not just ignore it and focus on being happy in life?
If you take ideologies seriously you are a LEMMING.
Is there a meaningful distiction between this new feminism and left wing extreme?
I guess they aren't truly congruent, but the two are strongly interwoven.
Yeah man. I’m far left, going to be voting for Bernie Sanders in the Dem. primary and I agree with everything in this take.
Liberalism isn’t synonymous with approving of things like double standards.
Really, all liberalism is about is low-conscientiousness and high openness as well as a penchant for real fairness and real equality via egalitarianism.
Though I speak as someone different from older generations and different than SJW’s. I simply find conservativism suffocating.
@Robertcw By voting for Democrats or somebody like Bernie, isn't that only perpetuating or making the potential for things like this to get even further out of hand? Why do you believe people go right-wing or conservative?
@UncleJessieRabbit I believe that college should be tuition free for teenagers. I also believe healthcare should be funded by the public for the public collectively. I don’t believe in private health insurance.
I also believe in a $15/hour min wage for teenagers and college students so that they can afford to pay rent while they are in college working part time.
Those things improve the quality of life for everyone.
I also believe in the acceptance of diverse people in the same community.
Therefore I will be voting Bernie, but I’ll take a close look at Warren and O’Rourke as well.
Warren is a capitalist but she believes in putting a floor on poverty. Don’t know much about O’Rourke yet.
Essentially, I support politics that ensure that our basic needs are met at all times by virtue of being a citizen in this country.
If you are familiar with the Maslow Hierarchy of Needs, I advocate socialist policies that help ensure that the items listed at the bottom two sections
are never unmet.
This allows a person to be able to find greater purpose in life and commit themselves to higher quality work than if they were just fighting for table scraps all the time.
The next best musician could be stuck in the McDonalds just trying to make rent in three weeks and the world would never know because they don’t have time to pursue music. They don’t have the option. It’s a waste of their gifts and talents.
These boys need to be drafted into war, then they will stop complaining
May your son go as well
lol, fucking reality is some crazy shit.. You can't even tell if this is trolling or legit..
makes you think, ya know.
I think it is the women's turn to be drafted. Perhaps they need a taste of real problems instead of make believe ones like manspreading and the wage gap😂
Imagine if they came back from war, and made women bend the knee and sign away their right to vote using automatic weapons.
Would you still want them to go to war, hun?
That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard in my life
What we need to do is make it so all women have to serve a mandatory 10 year service and keep all men out of the military, make the women do the heavy lifting and risk taking for once in god damn hostory
@Jager66 Indeed
In case you haven't noticed there is already a War on Men, and Women in this Country are losing #MGTOW
@Johannes8561 I don't think you really get what a good thing the #mgtow movement is doing for us.
Troll is gonna troll. 🙄🙄🙄
@piyush8991 a lesbian ain't never going to have no son (or daughter)
Femenist ideals are usually misrepresented. "Girl Power" is an example.
Confronting feminazis each week which could be simply while heading to work or to the supermarket is one of my greatest joys.
I agree completely! Did you know that feminists are trying to support letting babies be aborted 30 minutes after they've been born?
Yes criminal
Let me rephrase: "Some," feminists are. Not all.
Not true at all.
@MlleCake www.cbsnews.com/.../
@Malik00 yes, just like any pre-term or severely disabled baby born, the parents and doctors decide between extreme life saving measures that may only prolong suffering and allowing the baby to pass away as they essentially cannot live outside the womb.
Not at all what this poster is suggesting.
Late-term abortions are not undertaken lightly, by people who just don't want a baby. There's only a tiny handful of physicians in the US who perform them, in only a few states. They really don't have time for elective procedures.
That's not abortion, that's murder
@MlleCake So because they "don't take it lightly", or, in other words, "are aware of the murder", the post-birth abortion is justified.
And thank God that it's only performed in few states. That's another thing we can use to soothe any upsetting morality issues.
@DJZest I don't see you protest this at any maternity ward. Infants who cannot live outside the womb are allowed to die peacefully every day of the week.
@MlleCake those are two completely different circumstances
@Johannes8561 you think so, but they aren't.
This is just a lot of shit that no one ever says
Respect for not denying it. ✊
I recently just hammered out a take on explaining the historical and cultural underpinnings of a lot of this material in the context of western society, and exactly where some men get offended today.
I try to have a neutral opinion, but I do think that there is a real double standard that isn’t quite right in the grand scheme of things.
lmao hell yea bro feminists need to hit the old dusty trail outta here!!!
Well there is hypocrisy everywhere
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Gosh, you're wonderful.
Feminism is too socialist.
It isn’t socialist man. Not really.
Egalitarianism is socialist.
@Robertcw Feminists want free anticonception and free abortion, to be independent from men they become dependent on state policy. How is that not socialist?
Because socialism is not about state control. That’s communism. Socialism is where the community literally is the state. The state dissolved into the community.
So rather than no governance, we literally govern ourselves. That’s socialism.
But governing ourselves isn’t enough, socialism tends to be governing ourselves with an egalitarian ethical framework.
To be honest, women are pretty capitalistic. Think about the sexual market. Think about what sexual market socialism might look like. Just imagine what that might entail: ‘everyone has the right to sex.’
I can imagine women reeling at the thought of it.
@Robertcw Thats not socialism.
Yes it is socialism. You’re confusing communism with socialism. They are not the same thing.
Socialism is direct governance without representation. Communism is an all powerful leader-state that does not represent the people nor is it elected.
Economically, socialism is where each individual gets 100% of the fruits of their own labor. Nobody owns their labor. Nobody owns the means of production.
In communism, the state owns the means of production and distributes the fruits of the collective labor collectively to the group. That’s not socialism.
Socialism consists of worker-co-ops where the worker’s own themselves.
Capitalism consists of owners who own their employees and the fruits of their labors.
Communism consists of a state that owns all its citizens and owns all the fruits of their labors.
@Robertcw No you got it wrong. Communism is supposed to create a commune where the state devolves into the people. The end stage of socialism is a system with no market where people are dependent on the state as central planner and distributor of everything. Hence why I said feminism is too socialist as it is relying on state policy for abortion and anti-conception as opposed to the market.
If the state dissolved into the people, then how could that mean the ‘state’ controls anything?
Are you opposed to decisions about governance being made by your fellow citizens? If so, then that’s where we disagree.
Also, do you enjoy being owned by your employer? If so, that’s also where we disagree. I want to own the means to my own production. Period. I’m not ‘okay’ with being owned and having 99% of the fruits of my work go to some business owner.
And I forgot one other thing.
I support rent control for tenets who are teenagers and college students, and for a clause that prevents renters from discriminating against potential tenets based on their age or eligibility for rent control law and for one which prevents renters from inflating rent above market value for potential tenets who qualify for rent control law, so that they don’t rip off and take advantage of young people in college who need shelter if there is not enough on campus housing.
Students aren’t people to be exploited. I like liberalism because progressives are the ones who stand up and say ‘you can’t do that. Piss off douche.’ And then pass a law that makes X thing illegal dropping the ban hammer on practices that exploit or take advantage of other people in ways that harm the future of the country. It’s the obvious choice in my opinion.
Grr my ovaries are trembling in anger