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George Floyd vs. Ahmaud Arbery, why don't both their black lives matter? (Page 3)
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i feel like you didn't need to put black in that title just put "Why didn't both their lives matter?"
Nobody cherrypicked. We did acknowledge aubrys death, but when george floyd died u flipped the switch because " enough is enough"
I don't know how hard it is for you to understand, instead of bringing up these dumbass strawmans
The primary difference is that the latter was murdered by a couple of random yahoos. The former was murdered by a police officer acting in his official capacity.
The level of chaos that ensues is not an indicator of how much someone's life matters. This guy had his throat slowly crushed by a cop. That doesn't justify the shitstorm that followed but it's what sparked it.
How on Earth did you get to this half-witted conclusion?
George Floyd, an armed robber who held a gun on a pregnant woman and died likely from fentanyl overdose.
Now basically a saint to blacks. How fitting.
Y'all always want to look at the negatives. So what? He wanted to make a better life for himself and now he can't do that. Not every robber deserves to die.
@Froyologirl when we Whites get upset over a White victim we only care about 100% innocent victims. Kate Steinle, Tessa Majors, Justine Damond. Then blacks claim we're evil racists for caring about murdered Whites.
Black people seem to mostly get upset over career criminal scumbags.
Literally no one claims all whites are evil and racists. Stop victimizing yourselves lmao.
@Froyologirl not all. Only the ones who notice interracial crime the way blacks notice it.
White kills a black? Nationwide horror.
Black kills a white? Only racists notice.
Go back to praying to your drug addict robber now.
You're victim blaming again. Who cares if he did drugs. Many people do and that doesn't make them a bad person. And besides how do you know he was on drugs at the time the cop killed him. Regardless real $20 bill or not, there was no need to use force.
@Froyologirl LMAOOO because the toxology report showed he was on fentanyl and meth when he died!
Black people need to stop victimizing themselves when a black criminal gets killed. You people carry out like 90% of interracial crime. Take responsibility for the fact majority black cities are high crime hell holes.
You people really need to apologize and make amends for all the innocent people of other races that blacks rob, murder, and rape.
Seems like your victimizing yourself. And where's your proof from your "stats" Seems like your picking numbers from your ass.
Also stop trying to be oppressed. White people never was and never will be opressed.
@RationalMale In conclusion give me proof
@Froyologirl That would be like trying to explain facts to a squirrel. 😂😂
@RationalMale Well since you won't back it up your opinion is invalid. have a good day
Because of media attention.
It's why Joe Biden is the candidate for the Democrats.
It's why Donald Trump is the candidate for the Republicans.
And it's why it's George's murder specifically gets more attention than any other.
Because the guy who shot him did so in a struggle. He didn't spend 7 minutes where he could have changed his mind.
they do the differnce is you expect the police to protect you and not kill you. murder by another is different because you expect or know that is likely but not from cops
All these people rioting out there all brainwash n the ones that set it all up are getting paid, so sad what's happening in our beautiful country today
Why are we the brainwashed ones. What about y'all.
@Froyologirl are u getting paid paid tongonand protests?
speak English
Auto spelling.. are you getting paid to go n protest?
@Geminiheart69 No I'm not
@Froyologirl sorry dear u are a brainwash one.. because all of the organizers are getting paid their cause is not urs, I bet (unless u r out there looting n rioting.
@Geminiheart69 where are your sources?
The ahmaud arbery case you mischaracterized completely
george floyd once put a loaded gun into a pregnant woman's belly, obviously he was shit and we decent people are glad he is dead
Yeah, you keep saying that, but if it's based on this fuzzy twitter posting, perhaps you'd better try getting a better copy where you can see the case number, anything about a pregnant woman, and explain why the official court document doesn't have his full name.
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In the mean time, listen to what the man, himself, had to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUaeV_8RXxY
@goaded it is quite clear he spent 5 years in jail for the crime. it is dishonest of you to pretend we don't know what happened. stop lying
No, it's clear that someone with a similar name (these documents include the whole name, his full name was George Perry Floyd Jr.) spent 5 years in prison for something, in Texas, before 2010.
This wouldn't be the first time "proof" anout someone put out by the right wing turned out to be about someone completely different. Including on this site.
You are acting like we are marching for him. We aren't marching for Floyd and if you think that's what these protests are all about then you're part of the problem. The protests happened because of Floyd. He was basically the last straw escpecially because his death was so devastating. And stop bringing up his past life. Who cares? pregnant woman or not robber or not, not everyone deserves to die. People can make a new life for themselves.
@Froyologirl you literally keep telling us you are marching for him... but alright let's say you're not
what are you protesting for? because according to the data black people are under represented in police use of lethal force, there is no statistical trend of cops killing black people. only a trend of the media propping up those stories for ratings
you have no legitimate cause
Where is your proof?
@Froyologirl i don't have the ability to post links on here... but i think you can use google yes? its not a secret
Well every news source posts something different. I want to see if yours is the fake news one
@007kingifrit And honestly who cares about his past. He wanted to make a better life for himself. I didn't know that some people couldn't have second chances. You don't know the full story. He has a daughter, maybe he needed the money. Again not justifying, but don't judge people. And how long ago was this. If it's 5-10 years ago he probably changed.
@Froyologirl why would you say he wanted to make a better life for himself? he was STILL a criminal. why are you so easily manipulated by emotions. he never stopped doing illegal things
9+ convictions
Still didn't deserve to die
@007kingifrit still didn't deserve to die
It was the police, involved with Floyd.
They say it's police brutality why he died...
"there is video evidence to prove he was hunted and killed like an animal."
You mean the part where he chose to run toward them and fight over the shotgun?
You do realize you described precisely what happens when you're hunting bears right? They'll run at first but eventually they'll try to fight back because nothing runs forever
You mean the part where he felt like he was being hunted by armed assailants and felt like he had no other option?
Except he wasn’t a bear and when someone tries to take your gun you’re going to defend yourself.
“No other option”
Literally do anything other than try to fight the guy with the gun. He ran around 270 degrees around the truck instead of running away.
He wasn’t being “hunted down”. They were trying to detain him until the cops got there (who they had already called). You don’t call the cops if your plan is to commit first degree murder.
It's very clear that you believe the right to self defense only applies to those with guns
“Very clear” huh?
I mean you literally can’t point to anywhere I’ve said that so... nope.
You clearly show that you believe Arbery shouldn't have fought for his life while he was being hunted by 2 armed men, on top of that you make it seem like his hunters were on the defensive when both attempted to make illegal citizen's arrests on someone they did not know. The fact is he was running beforehand for some time and tried to get away from the men who clearly had no intention of leaving him alone, his only other option was to fight.
Thus you believe only armed people have the right to self defense.
Firstly, IF he was being hunted then you could argue he attacked in self defense, but nope, he wasn’t being hunted down to be killed, so sorry, wrong.
More hilariously, that doesn’t lead to the conclusion that only armed people have the right to self defense. That’s just you falling over yourself.
Everyone has a right to self defense. Which also means shooting someone trying to take your gun, even if they think they are acting in self defense too.
So only murderers can hunt? Because an illegal citizen's arrest is kidnapping.
Am I allowed to defend myself from kidnappers? Do kidnappers not hunt people?
The fact of the matter is they knowingly hunted him with the intention of abducting him. He ran for his life until he couldn't anymore and attempted to fight off his kidnappers.
Your logic all revolves around the belief that they were not committing a crime. If you're robbing a house and the owner tries to defend him by attacking you, and he ends up dead, that is murder period.
@Hypnos0929 "So only murderers can hunt?"
No Cathy Newman, that’s obviously not what I’m saying.
“Do kidnappers not hunt people?”
Wow, what a disingenuous perspective.
Rather than explain how ridiculous that is, I’m just offer to offer a comparable alternative: Am I allowed to defend myself from thieves trying to rob me of my weapon?
“The fact of the matter is they knowingly hunted him with the intention of abducting him.”
Nope. That’s you assuming you know their intent. You don’t know.
“He ran for his life until he couldn't anymore and attempted to fight off his kidnappers.”
Lol no. If you can run, then you can run away. He didn’t run to anyone else’s home for help. He didn’t call the police.
“Your logic all revolves around the belief that they were not committing a crime.”
Well they weren’t. Go figure.
“If you're robbing a house and the owner tries to defend him by attacking you, and he ends up dead, that is murder period.”
Lol, the irony here is that Ahmad was the one entering other people’s homes. Great example. Yes, Ahmad attacked a guy and got shot.
*Your* assumption is that they believed they were acting illegally by detaining Ahmad.
Here’s what it looks like happened. Ahmad knows he had been trespassing and had people chasing him, he didn’t want to get caught, so he only run’s and doesn’t look for help. The Michelson’s, who the owner of the house was directed to *by the police* went out to try to catch the Ahmad, while the owner called the cops and followed in his car and documented. They catch up with Ahmad. For some reason he runs around the truck and chooses to engage. Given the layout, it seems like he didn’t realise there was a shotgun involved until after he ran around the truck and he was already in close quarters. At that point, both parties feel like they’re defending themselves and the fight just plays out. If the Michaelson’s had just stayed in their car and kept eyes on Ahmad then everything would have been fine. If Ahmad hadn’t charged the shotgun then everything would have been fine as well, not to mention if he hadn’t been trespassing regularly. It was an awkward set of circumstances that escalated.
There's literally no speaking to you. Even people on the right know they were committing an illegal citizen's arrest but you're so caught up in condemning a dead man that you refuse to admit it.
On top of that you can't even admit Aubrey was trying to defend himself.
@Hypnos0929 “Even people on the right know they were committing an illegal citizen's arrest”
What people think they know doesn’t matter. What matters is what the people involved thought.
“but you're so caught up in condemning a dead man that you refuse to admit it.”
I gave a fair and honest representation. You demonstrated that you can’t do anything but take it to the most absurd place.
“On top of that you can't even admit Aubrey was trying to defend himself.”
Except for the part where I *literally* said he was. See how you’re not even paying attention to the words right in front of you? You’re not fooling anyone. You’re blind at best and disingenuous at worse. You have no business engaging in these discussions when you can’t even just be honest about what’s in front of you.
I find it funny how you think intentions matter now that I've pointed out it was an illegal citizen's arrest aka kidnapping.
It's pretty clear that you're just on the side of Aubrey's murderers because they had a gun and he didn't. You have no real excuse for their behaviors and you can't even admit Aubrey shouldn't have been killed.
I mean you are determined to say the intentions of Aubrey doesn't matter but you can't say the illegal citizen's arrest was a factor.
Does anybody know who David Dorn is without Googling his name?
Uh you know we are marching for more than one person right?
He died by the hands of a klans man and the supporters of the ku klux Klan and the president who attended klan rally's at a younger age. Racist people only care about raids and looters. Not a black man's life. That's why BLM is a thing
George Floyd’s was a criminal. If people quit defending black thugs and the innocent instead people would take it seriously. Quit virtue signaling
So what? All criminals deserve to be killed now. And he was starting a new life for himself.
The issue was public servants killed him who are paid by government
George Floyd was really the tipping point.