To all the dudes who consider themselves MGTOW...

[JSDavis]

There are other proper balances that can be taken.

Homies, MGTOW is not the way to go.

I mean look, I sympathize with y'all. I grew up with two Karens in the household. I've seen the havoc they cause and the big ridiculous deals they make, with a pushover of a father/husband allowing it to happen. I'm aware of the court system and how there are issues with it. I'm familiar with the drama that some chicks bring. But there are other options.

Really we need to start screening our women better. We can't be putting rings on women who are constantly talking about celebrity drama they saw on TV, or posting woke feminist garbage on their social media pages. This is the type of thing that causes them to leave you. It's about the messages constantly going through their eyes and ears. When finding a significant other, looks are essential, let's be real. But there has to be some kind of behavioral aspect in there that we need to take into consideration, as well.

Look there are women out there who want to please a man. I go to a church full of them. I married my ride or die 12 years ago. However if we find them, we also need to encourage and support them. We need to show and give support for the Kaitlin Bennetts, the Lila Roses, and the Candace Owens’ of this world. Let them know that they are good women and suggest that other women should take guidance from them. Whether in a relationship with you or not. Just today I told one that she was a good woman because she said something along the lines of how the concept of "mansplaining" was just women getting easily offended.

Laws do need to be changed in regards to women “taking all your money and running off with some other dude” I would agree. For example, in my state there was a proposed initiative at one time in my state that didn’t get enough signatures to get on the ballot that would put child custody decisions in divorce cases in the hands of a jury. If more men would take action in these matters in this fashion, I think it could make a difference in the realm of "biased judges". Hell maybe that measure would have gotten enough signatures. Because what are men doing nowadays in regards to issues that affect them? It seems that they’re just sitting on their ass with a beer in their hand saying “it’s whatever, bro……”

We also can’t be letting these twats change the narrative language on us. We need to work to change this narrative that says that we are “cowards” for wanting to possess a weapon when we go out. We need to change this narrative that says that we “have a small dick” or are “insecure” or are “uncomfortable with our sexuality” just because we believe and stand up for what is morally right and proper.

We need to reject emasculation in the media. Call it out where it exists. The husband being a dumb idiot in the TV show (I.e. Homer Simpson) should not be considered funny anymore.

And finally we need to start teaching our daughters and our young girls the proper way to act. If any of us are fathers then we need to be there. While yes, it’s important to let her know that she’s beautiful, loved and protected, there needs to be some teaching and training involved or she will grow up to be a loud, obnoxious, self absorbed Karen. Teach her that men don’t wear the fluffy skirt at the tea party. My daughter knows that principle very well. Teach her that there are constructive ways to talk about your feelings rather than yell and scream and be a raving biotch.

So unless WE start making some changes nothing is going to change for the better, u feel me? If you just say “screw all women” and want to jack off the rest of your life, then you’re just ignoring the problem while it runs rampant and destroys everything.

[MzAsh]

Many mgtow are too far gone to the point where they are the male version of the loud, obnoxious, self absorbed Karen. They don’t want to self reflect, take any accountability, or responsibility, or emotional work. In that case, I say, let them go. They’re better left out of the market.

[NathanDavis]

I just wish they actually GTFO and stay away... lol

[77five]

I dont see a problem with MGOTW. No one is obligated to date. The more men that leave women tf alone, the better.

[Anonymous]

I'm impressed that you, as a woman, took the time and jumped through the hoops to open second blue account to post this. Very impressive indeed.

[Anonymous]

hmm, why do I get the strong sense that you are a woman posting this?

[USLegionary]

Most MGTOW guys or incels are usually young guys who can get a woman or guys that have been hurt by women.

The law treats women like they are children with special needs that never have to be held accountable for their actions or crimes. I mean women are instigators of most domestic violence, they start it to get a response, manipulate until the man breaks. Look at how high domestic abuse is with lesbian couples higher than any other kinds of couples and I'm guessing because both partners are claiming to be the victim and are more likely to instigate violence and abuse.

The divorce rate is 50% and its like 80-90% women are the instigators. Usually its the case of the husband happily working hard to support his wife and kids but the wife gets bored and resentful of him because he can not provide the grand lifestyle she sees on fbook, Instagram or TV and ultimately craves the drama she watches with the Kardashians so she starts cheating with guys who start paying her attention on fbook of at work, they know she's dtf because of her posts on fbook and narcastic pictures looking for attention and affirmation. She cheats away behind his back for a year or more waiting for one of the guys to offer her any small show of commitment and she enacts her plan having already been to see divorce lawyers a year or more b4. She alleges abuse and false allegations, alcoholism etc and may even instigate a domestic abuse incident so the police arrive and will of course automatically arrest him even if the husband's face is banged up, she will usually do this at the dnd of the week or close to a holiday so he will been in county lock up for a few days before court can grant him bail and in this time she will have changed the locks to the family home, filed a restraining order, emptied their bank accounts, run up credit card debts in his name, sold his truck, sold his personal belongings and has been going around family, friends and neighbours blackening his name. So in the end the husband's ex ends up taking half of everything he worked for, half of anything wealth that was passed to him through his parents/grandparents, she gets the family home, full custody of the kids, full child support and alimony along with being free to earn and work herself and of course he has to pay the legal bill for the whole thing. Meanwhile he's living in a crappy apartment, barely scrapping by, health suffering from the stress, broken hearted, financially ruined from child support and alimony, missing his wife and kids just feeling depressed and bitter while another guy is playing father to his kids, boning his wife, drinking his beer, watching his TV etc its no wonder so many guys are MGTOW.

But seems to be the case that this can happen with any woman. The law and soceity rewards and applauds women's shitty behaviour. All she has to do is come out with the usual clichés and she taken at her word such as "he was abusive to me", "we had no communication", " we grew apart", "we had no spark", "we married too young", "he was to controlling" etc when the real truth is he was a good partner to you and father and you ruthlessly shafted him and your kids simply because you could as it suited you at the time and what you wanted. These same ex wives who do this them get bitter when their ex husband's eventually thrive and maybe start again with a younger hotter woman, espicially when the child support and alimony payments stop. Dating as a single man over 30 is a minefield its full of the same kind divorced women and single mother's I previously mentioned but because of what they maybe did to their ex husband you can't 100% trust them but they are often more willing to please as they hate rejection.