Why MGTOW is Bullsh**

[TheInvisibleMan]

I see more and more guys around here saying they are MGTOW. So let's clear up some things.

Men Go Their Own Way

Fuck me, that sounds powerful! And all the guys who are saying that, they say it in a proud way. You'd think this is a strong organisation, you'd think this is some big tough masculine movement.

Sadly, it could not be further from the truth.

Let's break it down:
M - Men

Misleading from the first word. There are no men in this group. Just because somebody is male, doesn't mean he is a man. That's something I hope most people already know. And these guys are not men in any possible way. They are little whiny bitches. Reminded again, of the story of The Fox And The Grapes, this is what they are doing. They are too weak to achieve even some average results, so they give up and go cry. Is that a man? I know society changed a lot, but that will never be a man. Men get shit done.

G - Go

Again - misleading. Go implies some sort of movement. But these guys aren't going anywhere. There is no end goal. There is no purpose. The only difference is that now, instead of bothering other girls who don't want them, they are gonna ignore those same girls.... who still don't want them! How lame is that?

T and O - Their Own

Partially true, partially bullshit. Their Own would imply that it's something they chose. While it's more the only thing they could do. They weren't intelligent, or strong enough, or whatever to achieve what they wanted, so instead of admitting they are the ones who are fucked up, they decided to blame 3500000000 people instead. How retarded is that? You have to be in serious denial to think that. But from another point of view, it is their own, because it's now the common name for whiny little bitches. So we will let this slide, since it's the only thing here somewhat close to the truth.

W - Way

If it wasn't sad, it would be funny. Which way is that? Chronic masturbation? Are you fucking kidding me? It's not like you have much of a choice here, there aren't 50 genders you are compatible with so you can be like "Man, I'm tired of women! ". What is your alternative? There are only 2 genders, and you are already one of them, so it leaves you with only one you are compatible with. So if you give up on that one, you are essentially left with nothing. That's not going another way, that's being a little bitch and staying in your place instead of going forward like everybody else.

So there is absolutely nothing masculine about this. It's not feminine either. It's just retarded. And there is absolutely nothing to be proud of.

Instead of being ashamed, they are proud.

But again, that's how mankind becomes better. Weak, pathetic little bitches like these are not gonna reproduce and they are not gonna spread their weak pathetic genes. So this might be even natural from a certain point of view. But that's another topic.

Yes, girls can be really hard to deal with. Especially nowadays. And for weak pathetic guys like them, it's even harder. I get where they are coming from. But that's a good thing. If girls settled for weak pussies, it would ruin us as species (again on that topic). This way girls want a man. Or at least somebody on their way to becoming one. And they are doing us a favor. Because guys have a challenge to become better, and they work on themselves in order to get a girl. They are helping us. Imagine if every nerd, loser, gamer, or whatever could get laid. Almost no guy would work on himself and we would all become retards.

So be grateful to girls. And rise up to the challenge.

Or, you know, don't. Keep being a little bitch and keep crying about how sad your life is and how girls are all bitches, and the whole world is fucked up, you are the only ones who are right. It's your life, fuck it up in whatever way you want to. But know this:

The world doesn't owe you anything. And unless you fight for what you want, you will always remain a degenerate loser.

I know I'm gonna probably get hate from these retards, and maybe a few more people. Fortunately, I don't give a fuck.

Thank you all for reading!

[redeyemindtricks]

1)

"Mgtow" is a PERFECT example of how the internet can make people (mistakenly) think there are tons and tons of like-minded souls out there... when in fact there just aren't.

These guys represent a completely insignificant fraction of straight men. Definitely less than 1 percent. Maybe even less than 1 percent OF 1 percent.
... But, they find each other on the internets, and they suddenly think there are tons and tons of people out there.

News flash: Nope.

Analogy:
Friend of mine had a really rare bone disease in her wrist a few years back. She found an internet community of people with that disease (helpful for tips, hints, coping mechanisms, etc).
Because there were a certain number of such people on the internet, it SEEMED that her problem wasn't so rare anymore -- but, as it turned out, the problem is so rare that only about 10 cases are diagnosed per year in the entire USA. In fact, it was so rare that the first two doctors she saw had never even heard of it, and so she was misdiagnosed until she saw a renowned hand and wrist specialist from another city.

Point is... the internet can MAKE IT SEEM like there are lots and lots of people out there like you... when, in fact, that little group on the internet is honestly ALL of you.

2)

I've never met a "mgtow" in real life (... not surprisingly lol)... and, of the "mgtow" I've seen on the internet, basically 100% have already been through marriage and divorce.
So... what we have here is... a bunch of men who are too bitter to RE-marry. Which, in all honesty, isn't going to make much of a dent in the system -- since they've all been through the system already.

I mean, look, I have sympathy for anyone in a shitty situation. If someone -- man, woman or child -- is fucked by the family court system, then that person has my sympathy, and (if they're a personal friend) a helping hand from me wherever I can lend one.

ON THE OTHER HAND... If these "mgtow" dudes really think the system is rotten at its core, then THEY SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO CHANGE THAT... and, at the end of the day, THEY'RE DOING NOTHING.
They don't organize.
They CAN'T organize. Because they seem fundamentally incapable of bonding, with ANYONE -- EVEN EACH OTHER.

I mean... lol. I've read "MRA" message boards before -- mostyl just for the lulz, because it's hilarious how fast that just devolves into bitching, squabbling and fighting.
At least feminists understand how to team up and actually fucking WORK TOGETHER.

[alphadoggystyle]

completely wrong and stupid response. Men who have this mgtow mentality even if they are not aware of the movement are huge in number, but of course they won't mention it around women because that will only lower their chance of getting laid, but these same guys won't ever commit to a woman and definitely not marry her, and modern anonymous polls show that a large percentage of men in the age bracket of 20-35 are not interested in marriage, while the percentage of women who are interested in marriage have remained the same since many decades ago, or even increased. This will have an affect on society eventually, and women are not going to like the changes it will bring.

[redeyemindtricks]

@alphadoggystyle Most guys in their twenties aren't interested in marriage yet anyway. If you're talking about two generations ago -- like, until the 1950's -- sure guys got married younger... but only because they HAD to.

If highly desirable guys were doing this, it would have some effect... but they aren't. I mean, I dare you to name even ONE high-profile guy (someone whose name is known to the general public) who has gone "mgtow".
Just ONE.
I'll wait.

[alphadoggystyle]

If you really want to have a serious debate and learn for real why you are wrong here, then take a look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjku5w_34U
But i suspect you are like the majority of women who dont want to debate for real simply because you dont like the truth, and would rather be in denial because it makes you feel better about yourself.

Anyway i will humor you, men in older brackets (35+) are also losing interest in marriage compared to a couple decades ago, and it hasn't stopped decreasing.

[alphadoggystyle]

Highly desireable guys are doing this, look at guys like Dan Bilzerian, he is never going to get married i can guarantee you. Although some celebrities still marry women because it is good for their image, and they can afford to lose a lot if they end up in a divorce. It doesn't mean they dont have similar mentality to many mgtows. And you have to realize, those men you refer to as "highly desireable", they are very few in number, they are not even 10% of the total male population. So many women will be left out.

[redeyemindtricks]

@alphadoggystyle Lol... the same Dan Bilzerian who's currently involved in a lawsuit for kicking a woman in the face at a club, and who has already been in legal trouble for throwing another woman off a balcony? And who will probably not even live to be 45, given his drug habits? THAT's yr example?
Oh dear god.

In the social classes that actually *run* society, marriage rates are not decreasing at all. The upper-middle and upper classes are getting married just as much as they ever were -- the only difference is that they're waiting a couple extra years on average, mostly because their average educational level is higher (so they're in school for longer than ever before).

If this MGTOW philosophy actually held any sway, then marriage rates would be decreasing the most among rich upper-class men -- and those are exactly the men who are still getting married every bit as often as they always have.

The guys who are getting married less often these days are the ones with

[redeyemindtricks]

few or no financial assets -- which pretty much proves that "mgtow" has nothing to do with it. Mostly, THOSE people aren't getting married because government benefits have been set up in a way that discourages the formation of stable families, and that (unfortunately) encourages mothers to kick fathers out of lower-class homes.
THAT is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. "Mgtow" is not even a thing that really exists.

[alphadoggystyle]

Again you're wrong on everything. Dan Bilzerian might have some bad habits but that doesn't stop him from being considered a highly desireable male to most women, because of his wealth, and he isn't letting any woman getting a piece of that cake, he just fucks them let them take pictures and party with him, then he kicks them out. Leonardo Dicaprio is another highly desirable male over 40 who has never been married, its highly likely he is aware of "red pill" knowledge.
The upper class does not run society. Only the elite politicians that dont even account for one percent of the population runs anything. And the reason marriage rates haven't changed that much in the upper class is because majority of these people are in the 40+ age bracket so they haven't grown up with the same type of environment that young men have. Also this "elite group" you are referring to only includes those with 4 year college degrees minimum, which is like 10% of the population. Everyone else marry at lower rates

[alphadoggystyle]

another thing you fail to realize, is that if you are a man that shares some views with mgtow, the only woman that you would consider marrying is one who has her own stable economy, a woman with a 4 year college degree is less likely to be able to take half your stuff if you end up in a divorce, and if you want to reach this elite class level of wealth, combining wealth with someone of equal education is the fastest and easiest way to get there, and its also an investment for your children. Regardless the people who are considered elite upper class today is a smaller minority compared to what they where in the 60s, so technically the ammount of upper class man that marry has decreased since there are less upper class men around in relation to the total population. And a man with a high level college degree who choose not to marry will have less accumulated wealth compared to a married couple of similar age and education, so he might not be considered upper class then, this can skew

[alphadoggystyle]

So no, there are countless men with large ammount assets that choose not to marry, and it wil only increase with this generation and further with the millenials. Mgtow definitely exists among countless males and it will only increase until it is everywhere. You can't stop it.

[Bluemax]

As I said to Bandithe 74 (but for different reasons)...

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!

They are a vocal minority. Although I believe I met one in person. My friend's neighbor up in Mariposa. Not nearly as unpleasant as the online MGTOWs. But weird. Spouted all kinds of theories about jet contrails, UFOs, and black helicopters. He never identified himself as a MGTOW, but he had many of the "symptoms."

[SovereignessofVamps]

@alphadoggystyle What people say online and do IRL is completely different. I heard like a few years back, some mgtow leader got married after telling hundreds and thousands of men to be against marriage. I think guys may say that but... to put so much focus on not needing women, it probably means that emotionally they feel totally the opposite. And your username is a great example. You focus on sex, alpha... how women view you amirite.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@redeye you said welfare encourages women to kick guys out? Can you explain?

[SovereignessofVamps]

Oh! redeye is actually a user. LOL I meant @redeyemindtricks

[redeyemindtricks]

@SovereignessofVamps Yeah. Income-based welfare programs actively discourage marriage/cohabiting/stable relationships.

"For example, a single mother with two children who earns $15,000 per year would generally receive around $5,200 per year of food stamp benefits. However, if she marries a father with the same earnings level, her food stamps would be cut to zero. A single mother receiving benefits from Section 8 or public housing would receive a subsidy worth on average around $11,000 per year if she was not employed, but if she marries a man earning $20,000 per year, these benefits would be cut nearly in half. Both food stamps and housing programs provide very real financial incentives for couples to remain separate and unmarried."

^^ taken from here
www.heritage.org/.../how-welfare-undermines-marriage-and-what-to-do-about-it

[SovereignessofVamps]

Wow!! Had no idea about that and thanks for the link too.

[redeyemindtricks]

@SovereignessofVamps Yw.

[alphadoggystyle]

@SovereignessofVamps nope, just your wishful thinking. Any source for that mgtow "leader" who got married? I think you made that up, and regardless, anecdotes does not matter here, the basis behind the mgtow mentality is solid with facts, and the radical changes mentioned when majority of men going mgtow are also plausible and likely to happen.
And again, you dont need much focus to be a mgtow. Sure men are designed to want sex and to reproduce, but its quite easy to deal with this instinct, since its not technically a need, if you disregard reproduction men dont need sex or women to survive, women however even if they could reproduce asexually would not survive without men, so you are less independent than us.
Mgtows emotionally do not feel much at all when it comes to women, just apathy and in some cases disgust when being aware of female nature. My username is just for fun, on a site like this its fitting to have a name with a sexual pun.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@alphadoggystyle I tried to Google it but couldn't find it. I'm serious, I had seen some articles and I think a vid about it... people were shocked and I had just looked it up for fun since it was popular back then. I think because of the UofT feminist Big Red really popular vid from 2013. People in the comments mentioned mgtow so I had looked it up and wanted to find stuff about the leader or whatever.

[redeyemindtricks]

@sovereignessofvamps Here's an article where some MGTOW dude is explicitly saying that they *should* consider getting married:
https://archive.is/iG58I

... so yeah now I'm really confused lol

[JuicyBrain]

"Maybe even less than 1 percent OF 1 percent."

There are dozens of us. DOZENS !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKie-vgUGdI

[Papirus]

Baby, I am 24 and I have my own business since I was 18, my own house... I consider myself "alpha"(I really don't like this term)... well, I am let's say average looking, maybe a little above average, I am 6'4'' tall, very strong and muscular, I have NO FEAR to stand up for myself, fights... if you align me to most of my peers I will be stronger physically, mentally, verbally than MOST of them, I tell you that... from my observation most MGTOWS are alpha males... I know you will find this as a shock, or even as a joke, but trust me MOST MGTOWS are strong males... not nerds and some losers...

Personally, many women approach me, DAILY... I reject them... I do not want to do anything with women anymore - they scream and shout, they act like men, they swear, they attack and do not expect a men to attack back... they FAKE up all day long... you know the deal :)

Yes, I have been hurt personally - many times cheated on, and my money wasted - women are so hysterical nowadays - just chill...

[Papirus]

And one more thing... I CAN ABSOLUTELY assure you the following FACT:

If you put let's say 10 000 MGTOWS (and this is a really small portion of us, we are going by the millions, you will hear in a few years) against 10 000 "real men" liberal white knight "gentlemen"(in woman's words), guess what will be conclusion on average:

1. MGTOWS will be stronger physically;
2. MGTOWS will be stronger mentally;
3. MGTOWS will not be useless like your white knights - we ACTUALLY do stuff - we ACTUALLY work our ASSESS OFF, we know how to build and maintain a house, do electricity, fix a car and so on - MGTOWS are all about being a REAL MAN - a man that wants to control and adjust the reality - and so he has to learn how stuff work.
4. We preserve or regain our masculinity - and for that NO white knight mangina has A CHANCE against us - they do not have the man ingredient in them - the warrior, the animal, the BEAST!!! They are domesticated, to suit woman's needs.

[Papirus]

How can ANYONE call a MGTOW a loser?
MGTOW is all about:
1. Standing our ground as men and our masculinity;
2. Being aggressive and fight for your well being;
3. BREAK FREE from society norms - STAND AGAINST the masses;
4. Learn how to earn money ALONE, build a business, save money, be minimalistic, think for the future, invest and retire younger;
5. Learn how to fix stuff, how to be self reliant, grow food;
6. Break free from mainstream media, read books, listen to alternative sources;

MAKE YOUR OWN MIND - DO NOT LISTEN to what the modern society thinks, have your OWN opinion.

Feminists are the OPOSITE - they are not going their own way - they want benefits from society and to be in the crowd... if feminists hated so much patriarchy why didn't they find their own way to be independant - because THEY CAN'T!!!

Anyways - I am new to the red pill philosophy and I am overreacting, I am sorry - the bitterness will go (it is going gradually) and I will be completely free soon.

[Papirus]

I am sorry for my English skills, I learned English watching movies without subtitles, and it is a little bit harder for me to get my point accross. Russian and Bulgarian are my native languages, I know Serbian and Turkish and German a little bit too... anyways.

I am from Europe and feminism destroyed our ancient civilization too, THE MEN (including me) ARE NOT WILLING to protect women anymore - you called US (the western men) for 50+ years now:
1. MISOGYNISTS;
2. OPPRESSORS;
3. TOO MASCULINE;
4. TOO AGGRESSIVE;
5. HOMOPHOBES;
and so on...

All the men did was serve the society, DIED FOR SOCIETY... MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of young men in their PRIME died to protect women and children FOR CENTURIES to BUILD the West... what do our ancestors get? Women call men that "THEY OPPRESSED" THEM, they needed liberation"... THE WESTERN MEN gave you the rights to vote, the sexual liberation, and so on freedoms...

[Papirus]

We men, WILL NOT BE WILLING to die to save society ANYMORE - it will be literally for black men to fight for slavery - we SAW what modern society did to men who BUILD EVERYTHING - the infrastructure, the internet, the computers and tablets and phones which FEMINISTS are using to downgrade them...

You save yourselves, wars are coming, I tell you! I am in Europe... I see it coming.

You can see more muslims in France/Germany then white native people - wars are coming... you keep living in your fantasy world of purses, fingernails, trendy clothes and money and status. Wars are coming, and men will not be there to fulfil their gender roles, you abandoned yours decades ago - MGTOW is just a long awaited liberation movement for men - yes most of us MGTOWS go throught a hating-women stage - but that is just in the beginning - because we are programmed to care for women - but that is going away - most of the mysoginistic MGTOWS you see on the internet, are newborn MGTOWS!

Have a nice life!

[Tarvold]

How the hell did I miss this!

Argh. Am I too late to weigh in? I hope I'm not too late. Fuck it, here goes...

MGTOW is just men advertising the fact that they don't know how to fuck.

See? It's not so complicated.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Tarvold Lol

[PapirusIsBACK]

I see you are talking about "heavy lifting" on your profile, but still your picture shows you almost breaking your arm picking this 10 grams plastic gun, you bought by the 1$ for 10 shop

[PapirusIsBACK]

Admins, please do NOT bann me again... I will be a good baby boy from now on... eventually...

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

I got this Papirus, and PapirusIsBACK profiles banned... let's see how this one will go.

I think I made my points... I will try to be more soft from now on :)

[Tarvold]

@Papirus yes... because well hung men are known to be easily triggered and argue like you do.

Thanks for proving my point.

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

@Tarvold You missed my point... I am average - 6'5 inches... but that was not my point at all. For all my comments is this ALL you got? :D

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

@Tarvold MGTOW is well into the gender dynamics nowadays, well into the feminist bullshit, well into the political and judicial rigged system - divorces, alimony and so on... well into the dominant behaviors of women nowadays, the double standart... it is such a wide topic...
Your point was if I am hung like a horse or not? Really?

[Tarvold]

@PapirusIsBackAgain look. It's not rocket science, but clearly you need a bit of help figuring shit out, so I'll break it down for you.

Men who are good in bed wouldn't be bothered with MGTOW because all the shit that MGTOW complains about can be solved by being good in bed. So stop embarrassing yourself.

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

@Tarvold How many children do you have? How long is your marriage lasting for now?

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

@Tarvold Not all of us men are there for the sex only, my friend... some of us want a genuine relationship - two people bond and form a nuclear family, have kids, raise and teach them... THAT is what I am talking about...

If you are living like a bachelor and this is your end goal - fuck all the women you want... I don't care.

You can fix your finances with sex? You can make your woman submissive and less entitled with sex? You can make your woman spend less with sex?

Again I bring the topic of sickness and starvation, because many people are in that situation.

What if you fall down and get really sick as of NOW... will you make your woman stand by you with being "good in bed"? You are so superficial.
You know that men's IQ are more diverce than womens - Women are floating around the average - 100... men go WAAAY down to 60 and WAAAY up to 160 - the geniuses...
I am pretty sure you are not one of the lucky ones :D HAHA

No offence!

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

@Tarvold Not only you insult many fellow men with your stupid comments... I think you insult many women too (which I am guilty of too)... so superficial - so you are telling me that it is SEX ONLY that determines a good family, children, home? Good sex? Is that all? Nothing more?

[redeyemindtricks]

@PapirusIsBack In a long relationship or marriage, "sex only" isn't even a thing that exists.
Sexual chemistry is a reflection of yr entire relationship with someone. The relationship affects the sex, and the sex affects the relationship. It's *impossible* to adequately consider one without the other.

[Tarvold]

@PapirusIsBackAgain i am insulting you. You guys are bad fucks and giving the rest of us men a bad rep. Get your shit together and stop whining like a bitch.

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

I am not delusional about the importance of sex, dear :D
The Asian man-boy thinks it is all that is important... but I am not sure about that :)

I have had my good share of relationships, do not worry about me.. I have been cheated on many times - and NOT because I am bad at sex (no one has complained), women want to "experiment", to whore around in other words - well, I do not want that - they are free to do whatever they want, I am not willing to invest my time, my money, my property and acomplishments in that - and if it is just for the shallow and empty sex - I can get that for a few hundred bucks really easy - and I do it for quite some time now.

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

@Tarvold And again you are the most pathetic individual I encounter here, well maybe the admins are the most pathetic ones.

You are a man and feel threatened and ashamed by other men who want to go their own way? They give YOU personally a bad name? Are you so lost that you cannot PROVE YOURSELF as a man? :D OMG 35 year old boy

[PapirusIsBackAgain]

Anyways... I should really get away from this pit of shit website... This is just unreal... this website is all about safe spaces, making people comfortable and cuddly... real issues cannot be discussed here.

I am telling you, this website is full of shit, deleting 20+ comments, banning 3 of my profiles... for being real? For speaking my heart out (I know this sounds gay)... you do not appreciete people like me, I understand why most MGTOWs are not giving a shit about pit wholes like this one and many more... cuz they are liberal - people are not ready to get our prospective... and it is quite frankly sad...

[Tarvold]

@PapirusIsBackAgain well. I've had my fun but now you're just boring me. Tag me back in when you think of a new insult or something.

[ConservativeMan]

Hi, I am that idiot, who wrote so much on this thread... this is my newest profile and I am not planning to get banned... please ready my main comment on this thread under ConservativeMan - I kept my tongue, and I think I explained my self for once

[Khalian]

I have never married. Never had a girlfriend, hookup, date etc. Actually I am completely asexual. I don't think either my sex organs, so I am not blind. And yes I am a MGTOW.

[shephardjhon]

"THEY SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO CHANGE THAT."
We did two things. One is horrible but MGTOW is at least partially responsible for and the other is kind of good but hasn't got enough traction yet.
Here is a description of 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOMpxsiUg2Q
Here is the second:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY
And I have heard radio adverts from divorce lawyers admitting men are treated worse, There are abused men's shelters FINALLY opening YEARS after the woman who first opened the abused women's shelters called for them and was PHYSICALLY threatened by feminists.
And I admit, there are horrible woman-hating MRA and "MGTOW" just like there are horrible man-hating feminists but my version of men's rights is more like this: www.reddit.com/.../

[SarahsSummer]

Well said. Perfect in fact. Ever since this acronym first emerged, I've recognized its members as persons who have painted themselves into a corner by their own actions or inactions. They've left their only means of saving face to create the badge of honor called mgtow.

[Mrwoo99]

Yeah but dating is unequal so why participate.

[SarahsSummer]

@Mrwoo99 so I see you're one of the guys who's painted himself into isolation from women, and joy, and life, and satisfaction, and children, and a partnership. To each their own.

[Mrwoo99]

So dating is unequal but you're happy with it been like that?

[Cosytoasty]

@Mrwoo99 Can you list a couple reasons why it's unequal?

[Mrwoo99]

@Cosytoasty www.antifeminismaustralia.com/.../

[Cosytoasty]

@Mrwoo99 It makes fair enough points, I even agree with some of it like a shy man is fucked when it comes to women. But, is the entire MGTOW idea based on online dating (and the odd divorce stories)?

[Mrwoo99]

@Cosytoasty Its everything when it comes to dating, relationships and marriage. Also if we commit they can have the privilege to screw us of half our resources and even if a woman cohabits with you for 3years they can legally screw you. Reasons why I just want to fuck escorts, sluts, ONS and friends with benefits.

[Cosytoasty]

@Mrwoo99 Has it actually happened to you? You seem a little young to have gone through stuff like a divorce.

[Mrwoo99]

@Cosytoasty No I've done research and thats the law?

[Cosytoasty]

@Mrwoo99 Assets are indeed divided after a divorce (sometimes unfairly), i'm just asking if any of these negative things have actually happened to you? Not just marriage, but all the negative things about dating too?

[Mrwoo99]

@Cosytoasty Not the divorce part. I have experienced when dating plus research and millions of people are saying the same thing

[Cosytoasty]

@Mrwoo99 I see, so you did have many bad experiences dating and are not basing this off what you read and appear to have heard. That's fair enough, you have a reason.

It's the people who have never dated, read stuff on the internet and assume it applies the vast majority of women in real life - I don't understand this mindset and i think it's a little silly.

[Mrwoo99]

@Cosytoasty I have done both dated and did research. Millions of men globally are saying the same thing and mgtow is growing everyday. Soon the west will end up like the herbivore movement in japan where over 70% of men reject women for relationships and marriage. Birth rates are crashing down in japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PauK7o0-2Bo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVbR1oI_200

[cth96190]

Perhaps, but MrWoo99 gets to keep his home, his future income, his retirement savings and he will not be imprisoned indefinitely for inability to pay court-mandated child support.
When all the pluses and minuses are put in their respective columns, going MGTOW is the rational course of action.
The West will soon be similar to Japan, where a reported 60 per cent of men in the 20 to 40 age range have no interest in relationships or even sexual contact with women.
Women have made themselves too legally dangerous, too bitchy and entitled and generally so toxic that an increasing number of rational men are walking away.
* www.shavemagazine.com/politics/The-Soushoku-Danshi

[Papirus]

I AM MGTOW, alpha male scumbag! AND I WEAR IT PROUDLY!!! :)

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus congratuations.

[Mrwoo99]

Never buy women... always rent!

[PapirusIsBACK]

Babe... I am here for you, I am coming to save you from your mangina, so you can feel what it is to be in REAL MAN's hands!

[ConservativeMan]

Hi, I am that idiot, who wrote so much on this thread... this is my newest profile and I am not planning to get banned... please ready my main comment on this thread under ConservativeMan - I kept my tongue, and I think I explained my self for once

[SarahsSummer]

@ConservativeMan or papyrus or papyrusisback, or whatever else you change your name to, isn't this where you Go Your Own Way? Preferably far from this website. And post.

[ConservativeMan]

I just wanted to clarify myself for once... I had written all I wanted to say yesterday (I am not including my bullshiting comments, haha... you are a beautiful girl, for sure... do not attack me for my sexual comments... I am still a man :D)... The admins deleted 20+ of my comments for being too explicit, inappropriate... I decided to come back and explain my thoughts in a gentler manner... but I have the suspicion that they will be deleted again.

I hope the Author sees them, that boy is good... hope he doesn't get hurt like me and my fellow MGTOWs.

P. S. If I was next to you now, I would do all I said yesterday, and MORE :D

HHAHAHAH

[SarahsSummer]

@ConservativeMan and you'd end up in the hospital emergency room with a crushed trachea from the massive throat punch I delivered.

[Mrwoo99]

Woahh... hello... people. We got a strong independent woman here. Well until things get a bit too rough for her and she might need a mangina or white knight shoulder to cry on.

Obey the powerful oh mighty penis!

[SarahsSummer]

@ConservativeMan k. Bye.

[Mrwoo99]

Sarah when your looks fade and you become infertile your man will swap you for a fresher one.

[SarahsSummer]

@Mrwoo99 why are you so bitter?

[Mrwoo99]

What makes you say that?

[SarahsSummer]

@Mrwoo99 you're saying mean things about my relationship. It makes me assume you are jaded and bitter towards love.

[Mrwoo99]

You honestly have no idea what women have done to me lol

[SarahsSummer]

@Mrwoo99 I do not know what a very select group of women have done to you. But that doesn't give you the right to lump us all in together and be crude to a woman who has never done anything to harm you. That's the problem with you mgtow guys. you lump every single woman on the planet into a container that such a tiny, infanticidal group belong and pretty much create your own destiny because behavior like that with a new woman in your life is absolutely positively going to end badly for you. by your doing, and nothing to do with what may be the sweetest, most lovingly loyal girl you could ever meet.

[cth96190]

@SarassSummer
What you failed to take into account when you wrote that response was that there would be no new women in the life of a MGTOW. That is point of being MGTOW.

[SarahsSummer]

@cth96190 even better. Lol.

[bcromartie]

I strongly disagree with this take.

This is something you write when you're trying to win female approval not when you actually have an argument. Let's go over it:

"There are no men in this group. Just because somebody is male, doesn't mean he is a man. That's something I hope most people already know. And these guys are not men in any possible way. They are little whiny bitches."

But never once do you define what a "man" is. You just state that they are not. If this were about women and you simply said "Real women don't get abortions" that would probably be seen as outright ignorance (hopefully). But it's men so people are all aboard failing to realize the parallel.

"Men get shit done."

Again, "what shit?"; you see my concern is not that a person has these thoughts but that they are so poorly thought out. What constitutes any of this? Is it the number of sexual partners that makes a man a man? What "average results" are we talking about? Not meeting an average median of sexual activity, romantic activity or success in dating or what? Arbitrary.

"Go implies some sort of movement. But these guys aren't going anywhere. There is no end goal. There is no purpose."

First, it's "going" and second, actually they are going somewhere. The end-goal is really quite simple; to avoid gynocenctric set-ups and lose/lose situations involving the law. MGTOW exists particularly because of the marital system which men almost always lose in, and before anyone says "pre-nup!" they can actually be overturned by the court; they are literally one of the most worthless legal documents in existence.

"they are gonna ignore those same girls... who still don't want them! How lame is that?"

Again, a presumption, but actually many MGTOWs date and are sexually active. This falls under the same trap as the previous proposition where manliness is vague and now we have this vague jab at some unknown person who supposedly constitutes the majority of those who actually sign up under the banner of what is essentially a pseudo-civil rights movement that arose from Men's Rights with the plight of the commoner being the foremost element.

"They weren't intelligent, or strong enough, or whatever to achieve what they wanted, so instead of admitting they are the ones who are fucked up, they decided to blame 3500000000 people instead."

No evidence of that at all. Ironically this is on GaG which is the premier place for people who are as you describe to hang out. Continuing...

[bcromartie]

"If it wasn't sad, it would be funny. Which way is that? Chronic masturbation? Are you fucking kidding me?"

MGTOW doesn't avoid women it avoids social contracts with women. This is the most glaring point that shows that either A) you're trolling or B) painfully ignorant on the movement itself. Even as a non-supporter I know that. No one is actually afraid of the female beast just afraid of the legal system, the female beast's being preferred no matter what and the fact that this problem is accepted as a norm and even embraced.

"So be grateful to girls. And rise up to the challenge."

No.

Why exactly is it a good idea to be grateful for difficult people?

If this is your logic, your genuine heartfelt feelings on the matter of dealing with other humans, period, your life must be shit. I mean total SHIT. I can't imagine wasting time on people who are just not agreeable regardless of their sex and especially not just FOR sex. It's why I'm fine with not having sex.

[bcromartie]

See, the myth is pretty simple here:

You having to "rise to the challenge" would mean that you needed to provide a good argument for female approval. You didn't. You didn't at all. So either the women are dumb, the women simply applaud what is in their favor (bias) or the women feel pity on you and are accepting your existence for what it is and mating with you out of the same pity.

I'm not even being factitious. None of this is actually true. It's a poorly constructed opinion with poorly constructed argumentation and huge glaring fallacies (of the Consequent) and assumptions about a populace that you clearly don't know about and a movement you didn't take two minutes to actually read through.

You're probably right about at least one person but the odds that most MGTOW are actually unsuccessful basement dwelling losers who can't get sex is just unrealistic. Most humans, regardless of their attractiveness excluding deformity and infirmity, have sex. Period. It's just a fact.

[CasaNorba]

Jackpot, you put Einstein to shame on this one brother!

[TheInvisibleMan]

You must be REALLY offended by this, look at the effort you put in trying to prove it wrong. Sadly, it was in vain. First, definition of a real man is a different topic and a very wide one. But thats not the point here, here I was focusing on whats NOT a real man. And you can't say that a whiny guy who only complains and hides from the problems is a man by any definition. About marriage - the answer again is man up, dont marry the first girl who wants to fuck your 2 inch dick. If you do, of course you will marry a bitch who is gonna divorce you and take everything from you. And I never saw any guy who is mgtow and has sex. Thats a myth maybe, or maybe there are a handful of those guys but like over 90% are just the type I described

[bcromartie]

"You must be REALLY offended by this, look at the effort you put in trying to prove it wrong. "

Misinformation has always bothered me.

"First, definition of a real man is a different topic and a very wide one."

And yet you make claims requiring this definition to be established.

"And you can't say that a whiny guy who only complains and hides from the problems is a man by any definition."

But you did. I see no quotes from a source of MGTOW showing it wrong. Instead I see an explanation that starts off with "You must be offended!" as though you have power, an allusion to yourself of the illusion of your impact. But it is just that, an illusion, a scapegoat that allows you to dodge a required definition which you do so in the most inept way.

I know we are on totally different levels. I do not need to brag about it. I do not need to make claims I cannot actually back up. You however require a "broad definition" to fit your "narrow means". You can't even be ashamed of yourself.

[bcromartie]

"About marriage - the answer again is man up, dont marry the first girl who wants to fuck your 2 inch dick."

And beyond the jab at "manhood" which has a "wide berth" you use a penis and it's length as a sociological weapon. Do you not feel stupid? Does this not strike you as idiocy? You fail to explain anything about marriage and instead just say "Man up!" and "Think about it seriously!" as if people DON'T do that and you somehow would never fall victim to the natural expiration date of love. How do you sleep at night? Seriously, I need your secrets.

"And I never saw any guy who is mgtow and has sex."

You never looked so there's no surprise there.

"Thats a myth maybe, or maybe there are a handful of those guys but like over 90% are just the type I described"

Oh good, another completely unsubstantiated claim about hundreds of thousands of individuals around the world. I don't think you understand how unfair you are potentially being to yourself. I actually feel sort of bad.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Dude, I said you must be offended because you wrote a full post and two comments (with no real arguments or points btw). Is this take the most important thing of your life? You act like it, if it is thats a plus for me. Now, mgtow guy consider themselves men, otherwise it would be pgtow (pussies go their own way). if I offended your ego, I will change it to "any woman who wants to fuck your 20 inch dick". there. dick size isn't the point here at all. and you are saying I am writing false stuff while you wrote "hundreds of thousands of people". there isn't even half as many pussies in this "movement". get your shit straight first

[IAO-369]

bcromartie! Dont try to explain to him! He is a 20 years old boy who do not have any experience in real life! Besides he is from country (serbia) in eastern Europe where the femininism not yet poisoned the society that mutch as in western countrys.
Under these conditions if he even wanna mentioning this topic-when in serbia is no mgtow yet-he realy has some problems in his own life. Everithing abouth maning up in his article is about him actually. H e is not a men yet, just a boy who need girls aproval!

[CasaNorba]

@IAO-369 I agree all the way, you couldn't of explained it any better

this dude was the god of all the scumbags in history, have you seen all the other comments he made on other people's opinions here? talk about experience if you look at my opinion this dumbass tried to say he's experienced in life more then me and everyone else who proved him wrong in this article.

anyways you should see all his other mytakes. this guy even admitted that he was a kissless virgin himself and he even wrote another mytake about how sexually frustrated he was weeks after this one. i can see why he cancelled his account

but most of all now we definitely know why he called himself THE INVISIBLE MAN

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@bcromartie I'm normally the one writing lengthy responses to nonsense, but the work is already done here. Solid stuff.

[JustWorthlessMe]

looks like you give a fuck after all... you come off as a geek trying desperately hard to seem what he believes to be cool

[normalice]

Humanity in general seems to transitioning (slowly) from a world of physical dominance to mental dominance. The preferences of women tend to reflect that (though that, too, is in transit and by no means a unanimous preference).

Anyway, the point is that the whole thing is chaotic - more so than usual because new alternative standards are being invented every day. The 'weakness' to which you refer might simply be the inability to cope with chaos. Or rather, to be able to cope with man-made chaos, but not woman-made chaos. To that end, I don't know that 'weakness' is the right word so much as 'unadaptiveness'? Though, if you subscribe in any way to the theory of evolution, then they are the same thing. Perhaps the MGTOW people are a dying subspecies of humanity?

And I don't mean "subspecies" negatively, just as in "subset". There might be many different subspecies of humans, if there are any at all. And if there are any at all, then everyone belongs to a subspecies of some sort. I'm not saying the MGTOW people are stupid or lesser, only that they are doomed to extinction.

[TheInvisibleMan]

You've got some valid points, however you might not say it but I will: mgtow guys ARE stupid and lesser

[normalice]

I'm actually beginning to suspect that the mgtow and incel things were created by the russians.

[SaskiaBlueRaySoul]

russians how so?

[normalice]

@SaskiaBlueRaySoul oh, just a dumb idea they promoted to create division in the U. S. All they needed was a few hundred or so guys in the u. s. to buy into it and stay in communication with each other, and the division takes care of itself.

[Idonthaveausername]

That evolutionary extinction thing is something I've wondered about myself. MGTOW, abortion, LGBTQ... are all political movements centered on sex and children, specifically intentionally halting reproduction. Whatever side you take really depends on if you want to procreate or not. It would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint, that if we have developed as a society to the point of defeating "survival of the fittest", we would as a species develop an ulterior form of trimming the fat off our gene pool

MGTOW guys are essentially saying their genes aren't fit enough to survive in a society where women don't have to depend on them. These men may have been forced to marry 200 years ago due to societal pressures, so the freedom to choose these days is finally an opportunity to flush them out. I am pro MGTOWs leaving women alone because that mean our next generation of men will respect our daughters more

[normalice]

@Idonthaveausername none of those "halt reproduction". Abortion is more about delaying it until the parents have the means to raise a child without financial struggle. The LGB thing is not about halting it so much as working around the natural methods for it (i. e. in vitro fertilization, sperm donors, surrogates...).

As for the MGTOW thing, that's just the russians trying to channel the energy from sexual frustration in the U. S. against progressive politics. Same is true of incels.

[Idonthaveausername]

We can agree to disagree. Just a thought I've had since you brought up the extinction subject. Strictly speaking with evolution, the whole sperm donor thing wouldn't apply because that would affect both straight and gay couples equally

Interesting view on the Russian thing... I haven't heard that one yet

[normalice]

@Idonthaveausername sperm/egg donors aren't going to affect both straight and gay couples equally, because straight "couples" by definition wouldn't need a donation (unless there's a rare problem), whereas gay couples would rely entirely on it.

The extension thing was more a joke. I'm just not funny..

[ThisAndThat]

@Idonthaveausername MGTOW never was the problem. Feminist was and is. MGTOW is about men protecting them selves from what feminism has done to men. So maybe if we were to flush the feminist out, maybe our next generation of women would respect our sons more. See there, that works both ways.

[normalice]

@ThisAndThat What's that? sorry, I don't speak russian...

[ThisAndThat]

Ну тогда ты никогда этого не получишь.

[Anonymous]

First, you must understand why MGTOW exists and what bring these men together. MGTOW may have started with the right intent of defying the gynocentric system that exploits men, but it has quickly turned into a congregation of young men who come together to validate each other’s bitterness and frustration. Instead of doing anything to improve their lives, the majority of MGTOW feel the need to attack anyone who suggests self-improvement because it reminds them of their own lack of effort (just note how often they come to this site to spew their hatred instead of staying in their own sphere).
And for all the cries about society “shaming” them, the members of the MGTOW are the most vitriolic group today (along with the feminists) that constantly shames men for sharing tips on improving their lives. I can somewhat accept bitchy behavior from feminists as they’re women, but to watch these “men” throw a hissy fit over articles on attracting women or becoming a better man (none of which they were forced to read) is both hilarious and cringeworthy at the same time.
Ask yourself: what compels a man who has supposedly “gone his own way” to come to a site they claim to hate, read an article on attracting women which they clearly don’t care for, then leave a comment to “shame” and attack other men? Simple: jealously and insecurity.
Ask yourself: what compels a man who has supposedly “gone his own way” to come to a site they claim to hate, read an article on attracting women which they clearly don’t care for, then leave a comment to “shame” and attack other men? Simple: jealously and insecurity.
MGTOW also claim that their group isn’t about rejecting sex altogether, but as soon as another man makes even the slightest effort to have a relationship with a woman, they go apeshit about how he is a “slave to pussy” or a “PUA loser” (for some reason, they think anyone who has sex with a woman is automatically a “PUA.” I’m sure only a very small number of writers and readers of ROK are actual PUA’s).
Many of these men have a twisted worldview where all relationship between men and women are either slavery through marriage or a charade by men dressed like clowns who are desperate for sex. Some even develop more bizarre conspiracy theories where every word or action of another male group is an effort to force marriage or sell books on pick-up.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Someone give this guy a medal! You are 100% right

[Eva323]

I have a love hate relationship with the MGTOW movement. On the one hand it is a group that bases it’s values on real life issues, many of which I agree with. This is in stark contrast to feminism which is based on issues that have long been resolved in my country. I don’t consider myself a feminist, and in fact am probably slightly sexist. Sorry, it’s not based on emotion, just facts. ( I believe men can do more things proficiently than women can do which would make men more capable humans hence I’m probably considered sexist)
The issue I have with it is that it isn’t productive. One of its tenets seems to be to walk away from the broken system and do nothing to change it. But society is made up of people who engineered the system, people who let the system happen, and people who fought the system. The first two groups are the ones responsible for putting men in the cruddy situation that they’re in. by not trying to fix it you play the same roll as one part of those who created this unfair system to start. So the next generation of MGTOW members will in part have you to blame. I get that they don’t think it’s their responsibility to fix it, but it everyone’s responsibility to fix broken society and they are a part of everyone.
The second thing is that it leaves me in the dust. This personal. It’s an emotional opinion. Sorry it’s how I feel. It is: The feminist men hate me because I’m not feminist and the men’s rights folks hate me because I’m a woman. No matter what, I’m wrong. it’s this kind of devisiveness that’ll drive otherwise neutral women to feminism or apathy toward men’s rights issues. At least they’ll be accepted by someone.
This is where both movements merge in my perspective. They both complain and divide and change nothing. I just believe more closely to what MGTOW believes. But that doesn’t make it any more productive.
I feel like screaming just tell me what to do and I’ll do it. I want to be a good and moral person. I try hard for that, so if I’m fudging it up someone needs to tell me what I’m supposed to do. Feminism goes too far in being bossy and MGTOW doesn’t waste the breath. So where is my rational discussion group?

[ThisAndThat]

And I feel a lot like you do. How do you think I feel knowing first that I have no value because I was born as a male. And not only that, after a life of longing for females loving them, I find out that they want me out of here, dead, gone. I find out that all women want is men for their resources. I was cheated out of not only having a wife, but having children. And if that's not bad enough, men can't even look at children much less be around them for being accused of something just because they are men and that means zero children in my life. Now to address your question what to do to correct it. You know feminism is connected to bankers communism and the United Nations right? This is why they have so much power and they're too dumb to see the big picture that they won't be a part of on down the road once the UN agenda is fulfilled and the population purge begins. I'm willing to try to change it, I'm MGTOW monk, but I love women I always have always will. To add I wanted a wife and daughters, not sons, that should tell you a lot about me. But I'm like you, what do we do?

[Eva323]

@ThisAndThat I think that the simplest solution, although it’d take forever, would be to find like minded people, have kids, and raise them right. Not to be feminists. And frankly to appreciate themselves for who they are. All this “I can do anything you can do better” stuff is putting people in situations where I honestly think they’re lying through life, not just to others, but to themselves. People are denying themselves and their children what they actually crave to live out a political stance. It’s quite sad.
I don’t really know what monk means and maybe it’s not standard, but if instead of swearing off sex entirely I really wish that men would raise their standards. I mean worse case you have no woman which would be your choice and no different and best case you find the one in a million. But women spend soooo much energy being choosy. Men need to start rewarding good behavior and rejecting bad behavior. Be choosy. This feed back loop is how capitalism works it’s how life works. If you do good, work hard, etc you get what you need. All out, no exceptions, rejection just teaches that there’s no point in trying anyway.

[ThisAndThat]

Men are oppressed devalued and we know it. To expect men to ignore the obvious and get married knowing what the threats what we potentially face ahead and carry on like it's not even there, that's equivalent to asking us to be delusional and it will never ever happen.

MGTOW monk means you don't touch anyone, no sex, no relationships nothing like that.

Before you say it's men that need to raise their standards, just take a look and compare the answers between females and males right there.

How many people have you slept with this year? ↗

[NotCompatible]

@ThisAndThat You can't always trust statistics, modern day feminism and MGTOW should be pushed away and there should be a group calling for Equality.

[Eva323]

@ThisAndThat so I think you misunderstand. By raise your standards i mean don’t take those risks. Be extremely choosy about who you’re with. And don’t get a marriage license. Draw up your own contract. Stop thinking women are out of your league and stop determining a woman’s league only by her looks. Factor in her personality and the risk involved with that type of personality.
I don’t think this is all men’s fault, but I cannot change other women. I mean really, I already an outcast and once they throw you away they don’t have to listen to a word you say. But women need something from men. As is evident in your pole and in other obvious places. We need men. Depression is higher in women over 30 without a man in their life. You guys have the power in this in a way that isn’t recognized but that’s 100% true. You should wield it.
I don’t want equality or the vote or a place in the cabinet or on the front lines. I just want to be happy and content with life. I want a family. I don’t know how common that is. I don’t know how many women suppress that in themselves. but it’s natural for us. Take advantage. Be willing to walk away from a woman who is what caused you to go and be MGTOW. If all those gals who had tons of sex were rejected that much instead, they’d be forced to try behaving in a different way.

[ThisAndThat]

I haven't taken those risk in over 32 years. I got it down after the 2nd one. I know where you're coming from wanting a family. I was raised extremely lonely. There almost zero girls in my life, not growing up and not after the two years dated if I wasn't sitting with them. I went life that way, I wanted a wife and daughters, I didn't get what I wanted and I watch as those dreams begin to fade to zero reality. I don't know if anybody alive on this earth has ever known what I've felt like. So believe me I get it. I don't want to be MGTOW especially monk. But the risk now is real and it's getting worse it seems like every single day. Believe me men are seriously oppressed we have zero advantages while women every advantage over us. We have the UN against us, we have the bankers against us. we have the mass media against us, we have the laws and the system against us. Men can be accused of something for simply saying hello to a females these days and now they're even raising the statutes of limitations so that men can be accused of something many years later. Men see women as dangerous now and I don't know how to change that and neither does MGTOW that I know of.

[Eva323]

@ThisAndThat without family and trust society will self destruct. My parents divorced when I was 4. I crave togetherness and belonging and stability in a way I don’t think many people appreciate. I guess I want to fix their mistakes with my life. Give my children the life I didn’t have. That’s a personal thing. But all this hate and politics is getting in the way of that ever happening. And it’s sad.

[ThisAndThat]

I'm just like you I have the exact same desires as you. Your description is make us pretty much identical except for the fact that I am old now. Believe me I have lived with the fear of not having any of it as I watched it all happen.

[Eva323]

@ThisAndThat I don’t know what to say except that I hope you are wrong. I hope things get better.

[ThisAndThat]

Watch this video. A doctor explains why even relationships won't work for men.

https://youtu.be/DQ8j3DjFnyg

[LogicBomber]

I am not MGTOW, and I do believe there are some bitter angry little boys in the group (just like there are hateful women in feminism) but seeing the number of men who get screwed over by women, used by women for financial gain, and generally treated as disposable... because of the destruction feminism has caused society and men... the idea behind MGTOW is a good one.
commons.wikimannia.org/.../MGTOW_in_a_nutshell.png

Generally dickless white knights and man-hating feminist will do everything in their power to try and silence any group which tells women to start taking responsibility for themselves and stop using men for their personal gain.

Those who try and act all alpha by jumping on the bandwagon sound like those little boys who hate on Justin Bieber simply because everyone else does.

Male rights groups fight to stop ACTUAL issue faced by men...
- Like the male suicide epidemic. (80% of all suicides)
- Male parental rights (of which we currently have zero)
- Male homelessness
- Male sexual assault/domestic violence (which is currently ignored completely)
- Boy's dropping out of schools at record numbers because of the massive bias against them in the school system.

They don't fight fabricated bullshit like wage gap, or rape culture. These issues are real and because they are men's and not women's issues they are scoffed at and treated like a joke.

I am lucky to have a beautiful wife (by western standards) who doesn't act like a child and takes responsibility for her actions, doesn't expect society to protect her from herself or everything negative, and does not believe in using her privilege as a white western female to get through life the easy way... but that doesn't stop me from fighting to help those men that women are trying to destroy for some reason or another. (Which is a major part of the suicide problem).

You are only 19 and have yet to experience the sheer destruction a female can easily cause to your life if she chooses... so I don't expect you to see what I am talking about until you are falsely accused of rape, or are refused access to your children, or have a female claim you hit her as a means of destroying your character... but when it happens, remember this.

[TheInvisibleMan]

You wrote too much in order to prove a simple point. And you answered it yourself. The solution to avoiding this is find a good normal woman, don't marry some random bitch. And you said you did that yourself. Instead of bullshit like mgtow which teaches men to shy away from problems, we need to teach men to get better with women so they can choose which one to marry. And protector/provider role is not something society made up, its the natural male role (as you probably know cavemen even did it), but thats what a man should be like to a real woman who fulfills her gender role, not to some feminist bitch.

[LogicBomber]

The key is that regardless of how much I wrote... I proved my point.
My current relationship is the result of no longer putting up with female shit tests and childish games. I have been with abusive women who used the system to get away with it, I have been falsely accused of sexual assault by a jilted ex who wanted to use the system to try and destroy me. Every male I know with kids who is divorced has had the female use them as a weapon.
MGTOW doesn't tell me to stay away from women... it simply tells me to stop letting them control you and use you.
And that is exactly the same belief you have which you stated in your last sentence. Men need to take back control of their lives and choices and stop allowing psycho feminist nonsense to simply happen.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Again, a normal woman won't control and use you. If you ask me any man who marries a bitch or a feminist (or both) has noone to blame but himself. Its like keeping an angry dog and then complaining why it bit you

[Papiruska]

GOD DAMNIT... you GOT IT!!!

[Papiruska]

I have many friends of mine who are 40-50 years old - good, hard-working men, who are divorced and destroyed by their wives, they TRULY are forbidden to see their children by the law, expected to pay child support, and ON TOP of that their ex-wives teach their kids to hate their father, keep calling that all man are pigs - imagine if you are a boy raised by single mom, who keeps bashing your father and breeds that hate in you, on top of that a study shows that most single moms are super abusive towards their children.
I am telling you, I have been in the situation of seeing a grown up man, had his back broken, cry like a little baby, when we are at the bar, talking about his children.
Most men say that their ex-wife didn't act like a bitch before they were married, but started RIGHT after they did - the sex stopped, the entitlement went up the roof.
If you want a woman, DO NOT MARRY her, if she is a "good" you she will agree + a wedding costs a fortune nowadays.

[Papiruska]

All of those friends of mine, destroyed by the entitled bitch, claim the same:
1. They cannot see their children;
2. Their children are raised to hate them;
3. They lost their property... and will to LIVE!
Many commit suicide, MANY!
The children - if they are girls - they become HYPER FEMINISTS, if they are boys they become thugs, or manginas... to two ends of the spectrum.
Those men will grow up not knowing how to control their emotions and how to interact with regular men (men like YOU, men raised with a strong father). End eventually at some point they realize that their mother was wrong, and become women-haters.
Why do you think there are so much women hating men, and so much men hating men... because of single mom homes...

YOU have to be VERY grateful that you had your father figure in your life, a good father... you are lucky... :)

[Papiruska]

It starts after the marriage... do not think those men are stupid... the men I am talking about are engineers, plumbers, teachers... different professions... but are not morons.
Most women want marriage for various reasons, they are not stupid and know the benefits...

Brad Pit was with Angelina Jolie for 10 years without marrying her... is he stupid? She divorced him 1 year after the marriage or so... was Brad stupid... Johny Depp? So much examples...

Women know that marriage gives them rights on the mans property, money, resources, CITIZENSHIP... and so much more benefits.

You believe in genuine love, tell your loved girlfriend that you will never marry her... or marry her with pre-marriage agreement that will not allow her any benefits... wet's she if she will agree.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Papiruska thats why you dont marry the girl right away. you get to know her and you read her. and yes, brad pitt was stupid if he couldn't see her real face for 10 years. there are skilled bitches who are good at playing nice to trick men. but an intelligent man who can read social cues and such stuff can see what a woman is really like. about 4 years is the most it takes to read a woman, usually less is enough

[LogicBomber]

@TheInvisableMan I don't want this to sound like a personal attack, it isn't meant to be. It's more of an observation... but you mention in other posts that you have never even kissed a girl. Is this true?
if it is, then I have to suggest that until you have even been close enough to a female to understand how manipulative they are in general, then it doesn't really make a lot of sense for you to assume you understand them.

[TheInvisibleMan]

That is true however I know many people who are experienced in that field. I know people who got manipulated and fucked over and I know those who were smarter and didn't fall for it. Im not saying I should be anybody's role model here I am just saying its possible to read through the bs and make a smart choice.

[PapirusFinal]

This is my last comment - I am the one wrote those novels and got banned numerous times.

Author, I think we men here got a little bit rough on you... sorry about that, we are just mad because everyone is shaming us all over the internet.

You are a good young men... and YES, YOU ARE RIGHT in some things in you initial article:
- YES you can "rise UP to the challenge", BUT you HAVE to be skilled enough to handle the woman you want.

If you find your woman, you have to CONSTANTLY keep her away from the feminist propaganda that has flooded everything.
CONSTANTLY! Constantly remind her that YOU are the man, SHE is the woman - you are good in some things, SHE is good in other things - we are NOT EQUAL.

I do not sound bad, but if you hae ever raised a dog, you know what a commitment that is... if you have a dog you have to CONSTANTLY remind it that you are the "alpha" in the pack, YOU dominate, YOU control, or it will quicly forget and try to rise in the heriarchy - that is nature.

[PapirusFinal]

You want a woman, you have to TRAIN her :D She WILL NOT come trained, WILL NOT, I repeat! And she will be fighting back all the time, because she is raised to be entitled princess.
She has to be mature enough to understand, and you hav to be skilled enough to not put with her manipulations... it is easy for her to leap to the feminist bullshit and disregard you as disposable... and destroy your life - financially, judicially, mentally...

So YES, you are RIGHT when you say RISE UP TO THE CHALLANGE... it will be one hell of a fight I tell you, CONSTANTLY, every minute, day, week, month, year... do you have the nerves for that... Feminism is behind every corner.

Just wanted to appologize on my behalf, and other MGTOWs around here, we attacked you all together, and that is weak... you stood alone against a pack of angry people :D... we have our reasons for that , don't blame us.

Have a nice life MAN, and good luck, you will need it!

[PapirusFinal]

Bye, for real, this time!

[TheInvisibleMan]

@PapirusFinal best of luck to you, thanks for being the only reasonable mgtow guy here

[ConservativeMan]

Author... here I am again... after 3 times banned for expressing my free speech... I will keep my opinions "politically correct" from now, that's what you liberals want, right?

I will be honest with you, I didn't fully read you article... just went on a comment spree of hate... and now when I read it fully... it got me completely MAD! :D

But I will keep it cool from now on.

I see you are Serbian, you are a neighbour of mine - we are Slavs, strong people, the Turks didn't crush us for decades...
We still have that conservative flavour in us, and woman have somewhat of appreciation of men. They know they are the weaker sex... Just Eastern Europe, is not zombified completelly yet... I am pretty sure you can see the good woman in your mother's role and the older generations.

Keep in mind, that this is due to the Communist regime we are living in, men where appreciated, they fought "fascism"... I have very against the Communists, I have read 10 books on it and pretty much know what bul*hit of a system it was... but I won't talk about that now.

The younger generation, your and me are part of it, women are raised with Western propaganda, the American dream, MTV, recently Fifty Shades of Grey - a woman finds a super attractive 20 some man, who is a mega wealthy... and they fall in love, some sick sadomasochism was displayed there - women went nuts for this film, and this is another symptom of the sick society we are in.

I see that you are an "alpha" man, you want to be the dominant in a relationship - most of us people on the Balkans are like that, we are not still so pussyfied as the Frenchies and the Englishmen...

We men here still are quite conservative and have our minds straight... BUT WOMEN... that's another deal...

I have know PERSONALLY many women of my age (some of my high-school even back when I was a student) who RAN AWAY from my country and were fat enough to catch a foireighner for a man...
I can think of 3 who got rich Italian guys, one got a Portugese man, about 7-8 got merried in the USA after student brigades (3 months duration)... they managed to get married in 3 months... and got a CITIZENSHIP!!!

Let me give you a pattern of those women, when they come back to my miserable country... THEY whore around... they like us strong tough men here... and they hate their foreign husbands - but they admit that they are there for the money and financial security...

[ConservativeMan]

I have fucked the brains out of a girl, named Julia, who was freshly married (2 months) to an Italian guy, in his mid thirties, who is very VERY rich - he looks like shit...

Boy that girl looks like an angel, you will NEVER think that she could cheat to her man... NEVER... so submissive and quite... smart and beautiful.

There is a pattern with the new generation women.

And I really hope you get what you are striving for... but believe me, man... young men LIKE YOU - are the ones who suffer the most... I was like you! I shamed men, who were not like men...

Hell I even didn't talk to my father for 2 years, because he was bad to my mom...
I shamed my big brother for hitting his girlfriend, when she was initially punching him in his face, because she didn't get what she wanted...

I have changed... and I have very good reasons for that.

Men are attacked, REAL men, who WANT to be providers are being attacked... they give up... with great numbers.

[ConservativeMan]

And, author... please, PLEASE stop calling MGTOW men bitches... or say things like "Instead of being ashamed, they are proud."... you are still a virgin... of course you feel like a man... and you probably are... but STILL, you are a virgin, BRO!!!

Please have realtionships... see it for yourself... I understood what women are when I was 16, a hard wake-up call... but I didn't give up on women so fast... I tried many more times... I am done... for now... I will focus on myself and build my wealth... in the future, WHO KNOWS?

You are shaming men... and PRAISING women, quote "So be grateful to girls. And rise up to the challenge."... I bet MOST women will shame you for being virgin by the age of 19-20... they won't tell you that, but they ARE laughing at you be sure about it.

Women are not the angels like you think, they are (OOOOH I hate political correctness... I won't risk getting banned again)... they are let's say, going for the money and resources... I bet you that!

[ConservativeMan]

And I love Serbia!!! I have friends from there and worked for a few Serbians - great guys - strong nation... I know you may hate us, for Kosovo... not my fault, brother... Serbians are OUR BROTHERS, and we love you!

Just know, I think that you are not in the EU still.. when they accept you... WATCH WHAT WILL HAPPEN :) A MASS of your young women win run to France, England (not sure about that Brexit), Portugese, Sweden... and so on... you will be able to travel with a national ID card only... and men... our Balkan women, loooooove those Italians :D

Give it a time... hope everything is well with you, and anyone for that matter.

[ConservativeMan]

I have another very VERY important point for you, and everyone... but people around here, are not deep enough in their thoughts (I have spent a very long time being alone and am ok with quietness, thinking deep, reading books and educating myself... anyways)... people here are for the FUN, for the SEX, for the ENTERTAINMENT, for the SUPERFICIALITY...
For me... life is not about that, YES, I may be still young about these kind of opinions, but I come to be very concervative... I was a liberal when I was very young 16-19 - I have had numerous young women, shaved my legs and hands, bleeched my hair and had earrings... I was a bitch back then, but I got women I tell you... I had 3 girlfriends at the same time from 3 different cities... HAHAH I remember I was on the birthday party of my, let's say, "official" girlfriend, and another one called me RIGHT there, by my phone, why my girlfriend was sitting on my knees, and said "Hi, Baby"... nobody heard, hope so :D HAHAHA

[ConservativeMan]

Anyways... ooooh I should become a novelist or some shit... this is UNREAL... I can't keep my thoughts straight... anyways...

You seem like a bit conservative like me (nowadays)... give me your opinion ON the following questions:

1. What do you think about gays and lesbians?
2. What do you think about transsexuals, and "drag queens"...
3. What do you think about the new gender trend RIGHT OVER the Atlantin ocean - in the USA and Canada - some young MEN and WOMEN think that they are not men, not women, not even gays or lesbians, they come up with genders of their OWN :D
4. What do you thing about the 50+ old guy who dressed himself as a 5 year old girl and DEMANDED society accepts him - and they did - in US.
5. What do you think about some laws in the US that allow BOYS and MEN, who THINK they are women/girls to use the WOMENS room in public places...

This is all liberal stuff...

[ConservativeMan]

And, man... if you oppose most of these things... keep in mind really good:
Most young women will shame YOU for that and dismiss you... the SOCIETY will SHAME YOU for being opposed to THIS bulls*it...

And yet, you are HERE... shaming MGTOW - a group, with no central organization, people who do not want to harm anyone, people who are tired of divorces, alimony, child support, losing HALF of their stuff to unfaithful women... PEOPLE who just want to PROTECT themselves from the modern day feminist liberal social justice warriors propaganda... and men... WE ARE TIRED... we are. I am...

Why everyone ELSE is allowed to express themselves - to be gay, to be lesbian, to be tranny, to be a "business" woman, "independant" woman, to be nagging b*tch woman...

But MEN, regular men, are ashamed to express themselves? Because that is what MGTOW is, and it is way WAY much more that some loosers club for socially awkward people. :)

[ConservativeMan]

... And one last thing and I will be gone forever...
Do not believe the Westearn propaganda that women and men thing only about sex...
Most women are not for the sex... most women USE sex to get what they want - stability, resources - money. And again... in this definition - if you accept it is true and think about it from another prospective - it is LEGAL pr*stitution... AND I DO NOT BLAME WOMEN FOR THAT!
And most men do not want only sex either, as women think, they want Appreciation and Acceptance.

You HAVE to understand, the natural female and regular ALPHA male, ARE NOT made for each other - they are in CONFLICT - the woman wants to dominate, the male wants to dominate...

[ConservativeMan]

Look at nature:
- with the lions - the female and male are in constant conflict, the male is the dominant;
- with hyenas - the female and male are in constant conflict, the FEmale is the dominant, even the just born baby FEmale hyena is higher in rank than the OLDEST male hyena;
- with the mantis - the female WAITS for the male to fertilize her, and the EATS the male mantis;
- with the BEES - most bees are female and are dominant - the drone male bee is attacked too...

The male and female are ALWAYS in conflict in nature - either one is dominant, and the SEX war has always exists - just in older decades it HAD to leave men dominate - because there was blood, tribes, war, swords, everything was done by hand - and males were apprecieted.
The industrial revolution got rid of most hand labor, and women start to DOMINATE - they do not need men like they used to... they used men to create the civilization, electricity... and you get THE "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"

[ConservativeMan]

I am a MGTOW... one of many...
I AM smart... I have 130IQ on a Mensa test, well Ainstein is 160... so I do not want to brag about it.
I AM strong and masculine.
I AM manly and DO stuff.
I AM willing and ready to defend myself my own at ANY time.

Most of MGTOWs are like that... AND... SURE there may be some young boys who are skinny and qualify as ugly and women do not give them attention and they turn to MGTOW... I am not for that and NEVER WILL BE!

If you are a VIRGIN, and never had even a relationship with a woman - MGTOW is not for you...

And this is MY OWN opinion - we ALL MGTOW men have OUR OWN opinions, and you can see that there are ALWAYS conflicts between MGTOW men.

But we come together on a few important topics:
- FEMINISM IS destroying men and young boys;
- There IS a war on masculinity;
- Men SHOULD be appreciated MORE, because STILL we are the ONLY ones in the DRAFT - so we are still NOT equal - if war comes - WE are about to die;
- THERE IS A double standart;

Bye

[TheInvisibleMan]

Dude you seriously need to write less. Is this take so important in your life? Try to write less messages. I seriously don't have time to read everything. Also you have like two sides, sometimes you seem nice and calm, at other times, you are a complete angry caps lock asshole

[Papiruska]

I do not have two sides... my friend... I am completely MAD... but I need to keep calm... because YET AGAIN... I AM BANNED...

About you wanting to beat up my ass... we can do that... You are in Serbia, right?
I have an apartment in Sofia and will be going this week... I have a friend of mine called Vladeta Marinkovic in Serbia and can come to you. Which city are you in?

[Papiruska]

I am sick of political correctness, people dismissing all the points of a person, who maybe is a little bit too aggressive, or an asshole... I am sick of people being trendy, calm, fashionable, gentle and so on... am a man, I HAVE THE PENIS... Read my comments about the gays and lebsians... answer my those questions, if you dare to think about it... and move on.

[Papiruska]

One more thing... I had an argument with one irrelevant Asian guy... down in the discussion... who told me that WE - MGTOWs were giving a BAD NAME to men like him, we are "bad fucks".

Why?
The guy clearly wants just to use and fuck women, I searched his profile... I think men like him, who pump and dump women, and that is their whole life give "bad name" to men... But my manhood is not determined by others man's actions...

Why aren't you mad of men, who are gays (and come oooon... most of them were raised like women, and adding the fact that most foods mimic Estrogen and suppress testosterone... it is cool to be gay... I am not saying that some are born like that... but let's be real many CHOOSE to be... do not hate me for that, please).

Why aren't you mad that almost every single ad and movies SHOW men to be dumb and lazy and the woman is always the smartass - Al Bundy... men are dumb all over the place. I can easily write a BIG list of movies that depict men as pathetic creatures.

[Papiruska]

ALLL RIGHT... I am giving up on this website... I tried and tried to explain myself over and over again... goodbye...

I gave one hell of a fight, a? :D 5 profiles banned, 80 comments abd 20 banned... HAHAH...

Never again...

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Papiruska the sad thing is like 80% of people here didn't even read half of the stuff you wrote (including me). but from what i did read you were talking about some thing you achieved and kept calling yourself and other mgtow guys alpha males and real men (while that could not be further from the truth). so yeah, instead of writing 80 comments of random bullshit you could have written one or two but make them straight to the point. that way people would actually read it and actually talk to you

[Anon-ymous1]

You sound like an idiot just because of your lead up; as such, I didn't bother reading what you read. Try a different delivery next time.

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

A lecture from a 19 year old kid about being a man. How cute.

MGTOW aren't real men, hmm? Well, son, this combat veteran who has survived multiple murder attempts from his alcoholic mother, and done time due to false accusations, one of which by that alcoholic mother, is one.

I'm not quite old enough to say, "I got boots older'n you boy," as some of the saltier sergeants liked to say during my time in the military, but I'm getting close, and I have to wonder: what qualifies you to judge?

Being male does not make one a man indeed. Tell you what. You get your first divorce where you pay 2k+ a month to your ex despite her cheating on you being what caused the divorce. You get your kids taken, not be allowed to see them, get $1,500 a month taken from you to pay for them, then spend 5 years not being allowed to see them, despite a court order that she do so, and watch her get precisely ZERO consequence for defying that court order.

Spend a night in jail because your girlfriend was "scared."

I can go on. And on and on. A guy who got the cum filled condom his wife let someone else use to fuck her in the mail in Iraq comes to mind. But yeah, you try one of those happy fun time experiences of being a "real man" then you go ahead and come talk to us about it.

Yeah, you tell us, teenage boy. You tell us what it takes to be a man, and with such a magnanimous concession of, "Yes, girls can be really hard to deal with. Especially nowadays." My, how generous of you.

Funny thing is, even knowing what you've said today, even if you introduced yourself with a link to this very article, at the MGTOW site I frequent, you'd be welcomed among us when you got your eyes opened enough to realize some truth.

[TheInvisibleMan]

You do realize you are blaming women for bad choices YOU made in your life? And instead of bragging how you are older tgan me, you should be ashamed. At your age you should start a family or at least do something with your life instead of following retarded online trends. That being said, if you really are a veteran, I have certain respect for you

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

You're absolutely right. It was completely retarded of me to choose to be born to that woman.

And again, advice about what I should do from a man barely old enough to shave? Telling me what I "should" feel? Your inevitable future makes me smile, boy.

[TheInvisibleMan]

I was talking about divorces. Fine, don't take my advice, keep being a member of a degenerate loser group and keep telling yourself you are a "real man". Whatever makes you feel good. But then get the fuck off my take

[Centurion20000]

Some woman is going to come along in a few years and asset strip the hell out of him via marriage.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Centurion20000 if you guys knew anything you wouldn't be mgtow so stfu

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

@Centurion20000 Aw fuck. He got us. If we knew anything, we wouldn't be MGTOW. He wins.

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

You have bested us all with your superior logic. "Fuck off my take" and "stfu"... Really, brilliant stuff.

And I haven't been divorced... ? Don't know what you think you're talking about. Helps to know what you're talking about before you talk. Keeps you keep from looking like, well, you know... you.

[Centurion20000]

If we knew anything. Little bitch did it EVER occur to you that the reason some men stroll down that MGTOW path is precisely because they know things? Let's make this loud and clear; you are a 19 year old Serbian who know JACK SHIT about the planet.
You haven't fought in a war; you're not married; you're not divorced; you're not a father.
Sit down, shut the FUCK up and listen for the next 10 years before you sound off thinking you know shit because right now you DON'T.

[TheInvisibleMan]

How are things I wrote any different than things you bitches wrote? Your argument was basically "Im a tough guy and a man, trust me, so you are wrong". Obviously neither is true. Real men don't whine and bitch the way you guys do, certainly not online. Also I didn't mean you as in YOU for the divorce thing, I meant guys who join your bullshit online trend because of a failed marriage - its their fault

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Centurion20000 Also centurion, I obviously know more than you.

[MGTOW299]

Brilliant reply. This boy has yet to live life and speak intelligently. He will learn by 40 that chasing women is a series of bad choices that only ends one way for men in todays society. He has yet to even realise that content creators are referring to his drivel as a brilliant example of how to be a manjania.

[cth96190]

@TheInvislbeMan, you are a blue-pill man.
Somehow, in the convoluted and inverted place that you call a brain, you think that it is a good idea for men to sign a legal contract (marriage) that carries with it a 50 per cent probability (the current divorce rate) that they will be destroyed on the whim of a woman.
With your mindset, there is a better-than-average probability that one day you will find yourself homeless, penniless, on a park bench and looking at spending the rest of your life in the modern version of debtors' prison, because you were unable to pay the court-mandated child support.
It is not a rational act to enter into such a contract.
Nor is it a rational act to interact with females, because it has become so dangerous that such interaction fails a rational cost/risk/benefit analysis.
1. Show interest in a female: risk of sexual harassment complaint.
2. Fail to show interest in a female: risk of false sexual harassment complaint.
3. Date a female: risk of false rape allegation.
4. Have consensual sex with a female: risk of false rape allegation.
5. Refuse to have sex with a female: risk of false rape allegation.
6. Have consensual sex with a female: risk becoming her slave for life, via count-mandated child-support payments.
7. Marry a female: there is a 50 per cent probability that she will decide one day that that she is 'not happy', or, driven by hypergamy, she finds a better male and decides to trade up. The court will give her almost everything that you own personally and jointly, then use a child-support order to enslave you for life. In some jurisdictions, add a lifetime of spousal support payments to that happy scenario.
TheInvisibleMan, you gave the old 'man up' speech.
Sadly, I think that you really are that blind to the enormous dangers that interaction with women carries these days.
I hope that you wake up, before you find yourself on that park bench.

[jacquesvol]

@cth6190
One wonders how you did manage to survive all those dangers.
jk

[cth96190]

@jacquesvol
Things are much worse for young men today than they were when you and I were in the market.

[jacquesvol]

@cth6190
You think about fifties' stories.
I just witnessed a divorce. The woman had to go to court to get her savings back. No child maintenance, no alimony.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Its funny how you are quoting my "man up" words instead of actually thinking about them. All those things happen to weak guys mostly. You see, if you get good with girls, become attractive and get experience with girls, its a different story. You will never get a sexual harassment complaint or anything like that. But also (probably more important) is that you will know women a lot better, how they work, and you will think more objectively instead of falling in love with the first girl you see. And then you can choose the girl you want to marry. You can read her and see if she is a bitch or not. And dont get married right away, be in a relationship for a few years. That way you can see who she really is a lot better. And by doing all that you are significantly improving your chances. Of course, thing can always go wrong and a divorce may happen, but you did what you could. And marriage is something that exists for so long and its the foundation of society

[castratedwhiteguy]

Mainstream feminism has undermined that foundation...

[TheInvisibleMan]

@castratedwhiteguy it is trying to do so, no argument there, but it hasn't succeeded yet. although some symptimes are visible nowadays, its still alive

[alphadoggystyle]

you're wrong about everything you said basically. And the pathetic women here praising you because your take caters to them are equally misguided and wrong.

Feminism is laughable, mgtow is not.

Being a mgtow doesn't mean you aren't sexually active, we just realize that men are superior to women and that modern society is set up in a way as to discriminate against men to bring us down to the level of women, so things look equal on the outside. But women cannot handle living under equal circumstances, as they are weaker both mentally and physically than men, and they are designed to want men better than themselves as a way of sexual selection which is the main reason why men are better than women in first place. You hinted on this when you mentioned men improving themselves to get women because of the hypergamy instinct of women. This is a good thing sure, but without feminism the average guy would already be better than the average woman by default, now some men makes life easier for the average woman so she doesn't need the average man, and instead only wants the top percentage of men, and it is a problem for society because not enough children is being born, marriage is dying and women are becoming more unhappy since they mostly cannot have a succesful career and be a mother at the same time, and they also fail at securing a relationship with an top alpha male since there are so few of them around.

But being mgtow doesn't mean we stop improving ourselves, we simply will fuck women but not commit to them. Avoiding marriage and relationships because the rules are set up against us. Women are bitter about this because they cannot find a man, the alpha males won't commit to them, and the average guys have stopped giving attention to women. So they feel lonely and their biological clock is ticking.

[TheInvisibleMan]

First of all every mgtow post I saw was about giving up completely (by guys who never even could have any girls). Also every mgtow guy I ever saw was a weak whiny pussy and I dont think any of them have casual sex like you said. Maybe your definition of mgtow is how it was meant to be, but its not the way it is. You have a group of little whiny bitches. And no woman wants sex or commitment with guys like that. About society, thats a whole another topic, very wide one, that has little to do with this and I dont want to start it here, since its just too big

[alphadoggystyle]

nope, again you're completely misguided and wrong, of course some mgtows are involuntarily incels and bitches etc, but the same can be said about a large ammount of male feminists. Majority of mgtows are average or above average guys who keep these thoughts hidden while taking an opportunity to sleep with a woman when it appears, so many guys i know who have girlfriends are still aware that men are superior and that feminism and modern marriage is a joke, but they won't tell it to their girlfriends of course because women cannot handle facts that make them feel bad about themselves.
Many mgtows are also divorced middle age guys who got abused by the biased juridical system that is gynocentric in nature.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Majority of mgtow guys are BELOW average weak pussies. And just because somebody believes men are superior or is against marriage or feminism, doesn't mean he is mgtow. I am talking about guys who identify themselves as such, I ran across a billion mgtow guys online and they were all little whiny bitches, I never met a normal one

[alphadoggystyle]

Nope, because many men who technically are mgtow dont identify as that openly in public, mainly only on the internet anonymously or among close male friends. And many others have the same beliefs without even knowing about the mgtow movement. This means that a lot of the players out there pumping and dumping women have a mgtow mindset, i am one of them. I have no problem attracting women, but i won't commit to them because the women on my level of looks still expect me to chase, entertain and cater to their needs just so she can feel validated, they think we are equal yet want to be treated like she is the superior one, this is the reality of hypergamy and female nature, and why it cannot coexist with feminist values. Men are naturally superior to women, its fact, and women are wired to be attracted to men for this reason, so using government money to make the genders seem equal only fools women into thinking that they dont need men.

[alphadoggystyle]

by the way, if a guy is aware that men are superior, and he avoids marriage and is against feminism, then he pretty much follows the mgtow principle competely, so even if he is not aware of the mgtow movement, he essentially is a mgtow, because that is how the majority of mgtows act and think. Most men hate feminism for the same reasons, because it aids women and puts men down at the same time. And majority of men avoid marriage for the same reason, because it is a bad deal for men due to feminist changes to the laws.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Thats pathetic. MGTOW is not about casual sex and having fun. Maybe it was the original idea but that's not what it became. I have never met a normal guy who identifies with MGTOW. And what you described is the player mindset, not MGTOW mindset. Players are those who are getting laid and having fun, MGTOW guys are those who are chronic masturbators and pussies who only whine and complain instead of doing anything. Again, maybe that wasn't the intention originally but thats how it is now

[alphadoggystyle]

no its not pathetic, and you dont decide what a mgtow is or isn't. mgtow simply means being aware of female nature and taking precaution whenever engaging with women, there are different levels to this, some only avoid marriage, some avoid relationships aswell, and some avoid casual sex, some avoid even friendship with women, but majority only avoid marriage, and a large ammount also avoid long term relationships. The difference between a player and a mgtow is the goal and reasoning for their behaviour, a player who doesn't identify with mgtow simply wants to get laid as much as possible with as many women as possible but would still consider settling down eventually when he gets older or tired of it. But a mgtow will never do that unless the laws change but nothing prevents a mgtow from also enjoying a player lifestyle if he has the looks and game to do it. Again you dont decide who is a mgtow or not, you dont have a clue.

[TheInvisibleMan]

I don't decide, of course. And what you wrote maybe was the original intention. I am just saying what mgtow became and what it is now. And it applies to 100% of mgtow guys i came across

[alphadoggystyle]

Mgtow ideology is the same as it was from the beginning, the personal reasons why someone might start to believe in it and join vary of course so it will include the incels and losers you describe, but talking about only them specifically and your own anecdotal experiences is pointless, 99% of all male feminists I've talked to where whiny feminine pussies/losers who had less testosterone in their whole body than i have in just my toes. Instead of trying to attack some individuals of a movement try to attack the ideology instead and the basis behind the mentality. Of course i know you cannot do that because if you have any sort of common sense and experience with women you will at least try to look into it and then you will proceed to fail to find any facts that contradicts this view of women.

[TheInvisibleMan]

I didn't attack the ideology, I destroyed it in my take, piece by piece. I explained how all of it was bullshit. Thats why you can see a billion of these whiny guys barking at me in the comment section (which ironically, just proves my points). I don't know why you brought up male feminists since they are not the point if this discussion. And "same as it was from the beginning" - what beginning? This bullshit appeared this year I think. Maybe last year at best. You are talking about it like it has some history

[alphadoggystyle]

No, you didn't destroy anything, you had no argument, your "solution" was just to accept things as they are, but you fail to realize that that is what mgtows are doing, they are not asking anybody to change, they are just walking away from the situation, although which we know will have ramifications eventually. Of course online some people get vocal especially when someone attacks them for having this mentality with laughable arguments, like you did. But in real life mgtows are mainly observable by their actions, not words, Leonardo dicaprio is a mgtow for your information. Just claiming something has a beginning does not mean i think it has a long history. Im talking about since the start of red pill knowledge.

[TheInvisibleMan]

DiCaprio isn't mgtow, some other asshole here said it as well and I checked, as it turns out - he is not. So don't write bullshit. And this take was never going to find a solution for these guys, this take is more like a "fuck you" to those guys, and an explanation why their whole way of thinking is retarded and how it makes no sense whatsoever. Of course they don't understand it or refuse to. And I didn't expect they would, because if they were intelligent, they wouldn't be mgtow

[alphadoggystyle]

Listen dude, mgtows dont care abut your opinion, they know you lack intelligence and are not going to change your mind regardless how many times you get proven wrong, but we still take this opportunity whenever the subject comes up to educate people who might be reading that aren't biased, so more people will learn what mgtow really means.
Leonardo Dicaprio is likely to be a mgtow, he hasn't come clean about it of course because it would be bad for his image, but there is not any evidence around that can prove that he isn't a mgtow, but plenty of evidence that suggests he is, so you're wrong again.
Majority of mgtows including myself are clearly far more intelligent than you. thats not even up for debate.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Hahah you are fucking pathetic. "There is no evidence he isn't mgtow" - there is no evidence for plenty of people that tgey aren't mgtow, following your logic like 30 - 40% of guys would be mgtow. Also "no matter how many times you are proved wrong" - find me one time somebody proved me wrong here among hundreds of comments and replies? Again you are writing bullshit. And "mgtows are more intelligent than you" - again based on nothing. you guys already proved you have low levels of intelligence considering you are a part of this bullshit trend. And all you did here is keep humiliating yourselves and just proving my point even more.

[alphadoggystyle]

ah, its you who are pathetic you little whiny bitch. And if you had any intelligence you would have noticed that i said that there is a large number of people who follow mgtow mentality even if they are not aware of or associate with the movement, that would be people such as Leonardo Dicaprio and he has to thin about his image so it makes sense he won't mention mgtow even if he is aware of the movement. You said you had proof he wasn't mgtow which you do not, so again i proved you wrong just like i have done with every previous post. You keep humiliating yourself the more you write, myself and other mgtows are much more intelligent than you, you lost the argument, no gtfo and and keep begging for girls to get rid of your virginity.

[MrOwens]

Reality of a MGTOW is a guy that has been taken advantage of by a lot of women or can not attract the type of woman that they are wanting. So they settle and they hate the choice of settling. They can not or will not live up to a woman modern unrealistic expectations. With so many Narcissistic and Materialistic women looking to use men as a means of Utility to get what they want. What the MGTOW Fails to understand in their frustration is they are the same way. They want the utility of the nostalgic woman around the home while the woman that society has painted in mens minds does not exist anymore. Really I do not blame men or women stopping themselves and working on their legacy or careers with so many people mooching off each other. Their is absolutely nothing wrong with self accomplishments and dignity. Personally I stopped trying to impress the opposite sex because it left me tired or used. I have not completely locked out women. I now only invest as much time into someone who is investing the same into me. Lot of women will say its because we are bitter and various other reasons. I am generally a fair guy. I go after what I want in a woman and if nothing is reciprocated. I move on. A man with any kind of decency would do the same. Most coming up men these days are not even self reliant and require someone to take care of them or complete them. You have to love yourself first. Before you can be equipped to love someone else. I have a guy that is an acquaintance that wants to date these stunning women. However he refuses to establish his career, workout, get a new look. He is constantly mad because he has not even started with loving himself first. Talking to him is like talking to a wall. I stopped advising him because he had nothing to invest or improve himself. Just saying it starts with the person looking at you in the mirror.

[TheInvisibleMan]

That sound like a very healthy attitude

[hellionthesagereborn]

Clearly you have no understanding of what MGTOW is. Most can and do get women, they simply refuse to marry due to unfair marriage laws, some refuse long term relationships because of how hypergamous women are and how they feel women are currently untrustworthy mostly due to how society and men (kind of like you) coddle them to the point where people see them as perfect allowing them to due essentially what ever they want without consequences (which is actually backed by statistics). Yes some do give up because they are frustrated with the games but that's not all of them or the majority of them. That's just something people say so they don't have to actually consider what they are saying so they can more easily dismiss what is stated so they can pretend everything is fine even as we can see from studies and statistics as well as just anecdotal evidence that its not. Now I don't personally agree with it, I think ignoring the problem is not going to help the situation or resolve conflict but to pretend like their is no truth to their statement and that so many men just suddenly became "pussies" is not really a rational conclusion to come to. In fact your response is basically what creates them to begin with because every one would rather keep their head in the sand rather then fix things thus causing men to just give up on everything and make due the best they can.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Every post about mgtow I saw here was about completely "giving up" (while in fact they are giving up on something they could never have). And I agree with your points, but based on what you wrote, you agree with me too. Ignoring ANY problem will not solve it. And instead of manning up, they are hiding and crying about it. Im sorry, but how do you call such guys if not pussies?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@TheInvisibleMan Talk to feminist, talk to women (who are largely indoctrinated into this process from start) and you will quickly see how talking about the problems doesn't do anything. Most refuse to hear, MRAs have been slandered in the media and had everything they do twisted to falsly represent them thanks to media bias. Do this long enough and it will be quite understandable to want to give up on women all together as even talking to a woman can get you imprisoned at this point or have your life destroyed. All she has to do is accuse you and you are as good as guilty, hell one man whent up to a woman in a bar to try and talk to her, she bashed his face in with a glass resulting in him getting multiple stitches in his face. She had done this before, second time actually. Police didn't arrest her and she was given a warning. You see this enough and its pretty understandable why you would just check out.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As I said I don't think that fixes the problem but I cannot blame them for wanting to give up when everything is stacked against you. I think that if they want to live their lives without women then they should be allowed to do so, otherwise how are we any different to feminist? Your basically telling the guy that he has to be in a relationship with a woman to be a man, that he has to play a game that's rigged because that's what it means to be a man, to be exploited by women and a society that couldn't care any less about him. See the problem with that? It doesn't fix the problem either, it says either participate and be worthless or don't participate and also still be worthless. Where is the option to not be viewed as worthless? Do you know what I mean? I can see where your coming from but I don't think these people do this because of just one bad experience (if they are then yes they are pussies as you say) its from multiple screw overs.

[hellionthesagereborn]

If you go to a casino multiple times, and ever single time you lose why would you ever go back?

[TheInvisibleMan]

You are wrong. First, Im not telling them to be in a relationship in order to be men. Im just telling them to get girls, one way or another. If you want casual sex, work on becoming a player and have casual sex. If you wan't a relationship - go get a relationship. Shying away from all women is a bitchy behavior. And you are talking about feminists and bitches but did you ever think not to look there? Don't focus on them. Feminists are always either single or in a relationship with a guy who is a little bitch (just like these guys). But rise above the problem. Become a man and find a woman. A man would never be with some feminazi bitch, and feminazi bitches can't do anything to real men. But when you are a bitch yourself, then feminazis can be intimidating so you go and form an online bullshit trend

[hellionthesagereborn]

But that's what I said, MGTOW are for the most part against marriage not against sex or relationships. I also am not a MGTOW so I think your mistaken in addressing that statement to me (unless you meant it empirically?) The fact is if a man is tired of the bullshit why is it wrong for him to just not deal with it? I mean again, I don't think that resolves the problem but then people refusing to acknowledge their is a problem to begin with or telling others they have to set aside their values anyway is also a problem. I don't agree with it but that doesn't mean its wrong, it just the way they decided to deal with the problem.

[TheInvisibleMan]

I didn't mean "you" as in YOU. I was talking about them. Most mgtow guys I saw were against any contact with women (mostly because women didn't want them in the first place). Also this is not a way to deal with the problem, this is shying away from the problem

[hellionthesagereborn]

Never claimed it was, In fact I stated I don't think this is a good way of dealing with the problem but it is an understandable way of dealing with these problems if you feel like their is no solution to it. If you look MRA's have actively fought to alter these clearly sexist laws yet they are ridiculed, derided and have hit pieces made against them, i. e. they have gotten no where. So some people have given up, just like if you have worked hard at a job and nothing you do seems to have an impact eventually you leave the job, like a relationship where you have done everything you can to fix the problems but they are still their so you leave. That's all MGTOW is, not saying its a good solution only that its a perfectly understandable one given the circumstances (and many of them come are men who where dragged through the system or men who watched a relative or friend get dragged through the system so I don't think its fair to characterize all of them as men who simply couldn't get any (not suggesting some are not, their definitely are, its just an over simplification of MGTOW ideas to make that claim and its unfair, no different then if I where to call you a white knight who is trying to impress women by attacking a group that calls out women (its possible but more then likely their is far more to it then that).).

[QooLipBite]

I agree with you on this.

Gents, as corny as it sounds... We need women in our lives. The right ones. We're all different and thus they're our complement (complement - means to complete). Instead of just seeing them as enemies, you should strive for unity and mutual assistance.

It's only the best option. You might think you're better off by yourself, but from my experience, I can conclude that women are crucial (don't mean it in a beta/phaggoty/white knight way).

You have to ditch that thinking where all girls or people should be sympathetic towards you and give you what you want. No, if you want to be admired by people and get what you want from them, you have to be pro-active about it and take accountability for your own shit. Look to yourself. The solution originates from you. It's not the fault of other people.

Some of you probably allowed yourself to be exploited by women, some of you maybe met the wrong women for you (and then you conclude that all women are evil because a handful treated you like shit). But if you changed your attitude and your presence to a proper alpha-like 'Manly' state, I GUARENTEE you Brotha, that shit will never happen. If anything, YOU would be the one exploiting them.

Whatever it is you decide, the thing is... They're always there. Women will never just disappear completely out of your life. You can either choose to treat them as distractions and enemies or to make peace and embrace what they have to offer by changing your attitude and appearance/presence.

[Audi-A5]

On point!

[DooMguy]

https://youtu.be/Gy38yEo_7Io

by your definition of men there are men in the group as they do get things done, from what I've seen most of them don't whine.

There is an end goal, for some that could be winning custody battles/raising their children, planning to buy a house, fast cars etc. Most of them will have their own individual goal. The thing is that some of them will still have sex with women and some of them were married. So girls did want them at some point (also they won't necessarily ignore women)

Yeah. . . No, that's not close to the truth. They don't blame women instead they'd put the blame on laws, "the system" and the ones who enforce it. In fact some of them may blame themselves for getting into a bad situation to begin with

That's not the way they'd see it, they aren't left with nothing they're left with more money and free time with personal freedom on top. Being left with nothing (in the long term) is what they're aiming for. Why should they be ashamed if they came to that conclusion and made that choice?

So you're saying that if nerds, who are often thought of as being smart, get laid then "we would all become retards" . . . ok then. Sounds like you're in favour dysgenics

So you write "The world doesn't owe you anything" and "So be grateful to girls". That's just a contradiction. The world doesn't owe girls anything so why should they be given gratitude?

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All in all there was a lot of mis-information here so I'm wondering what where your sources / your experience with MGTOW?

[TheInvisibleMan]

Ok, lets go: every mgtow I came across was a whiny loser. if you din't believe me just check out pro-mgtow comments here and you will understand. Raising kids, winning custody and buying cars is not something you achieve by ignoring women and crying about it over the internet. So there is no goal of mgtow, you are mentioning individual goals that have nothing to do with this bullshit trend. And yes, they do blame women. Just check out this site and you will find bs like "all women are bitches and whores and feminists". They should be ashamed because its degenerate behaviour. Being a nerd has nothing to do with intelligence really. I explained why they should be grateful to girls. And my sources are the pussies I ran across online, since mgtow isn't even a thing in the real world, they complain only over the internet

[DooMguy]

I don't believe you because what I've seen on MGTOW forums paints in different picture. I've seen many of them discussing online articles, I wouldn't call it whining at all.

Well you implied that they aren't real men because they don't "get shit done", by following individual goals aren't they getting shit done (and by your definition) that makes them real men

The goal as a whole is mostly to avoid/limit gynocentrism , unfair laws, male disposability etc.

You should lurk more. How do you define nerds then?

Well by that logicwe should also be grateful to men then? Athletes, body builders, inventors etc. men can work on themselves in order to compete with other men

That's not really a good source at all. MGTOW is a thing in the real world. There are similarities between herbivores (Japan) and MGTOW

[TheInvisibleMan]

Being a real man is a very broad term. And they are not men because they only whine, complain and shy away from problems, instead of facing them. Real men don't do any of that. You are talking theory, but before that find me a single normal mgtow guy? I have never seen even one. Nerds are usually weird guys who are into fantasy shit, movies or video games and in real life they are usually socially awkward. Sometimes they are smart, sometimes they are not. And no, because you need to live up to some standards in order to get a girl/ get laid. But if you live up to standards of some guys, you really don't get anything. Of course if its your goal to be more muscular or whatever, then you can thank guys who you can use as a role model. But when it comes to relationships, it doesn't go both ways, since a girl can look and behave any way she wants and she can still find as many guys as she wants

[Bluemax]

So as not to clutter Bandit's opinion box, let me respond here.

I'm no angel/shepherd myself. I'm not calling on people to be angels/shepherds. What I am suggesting is that people do things that actually achieve something.

I don't know how long you've been on GAG, but if it's been more than a month or two, then surely you realize these MGTOW/"Nice Guys"-are-bullshit takes are a dime a dozen. And your take hasn't a single new thing to say, just like all the others. Nor does it have anything particularly useful.

"My goal wasn't to change their perspective, my point was [blah blah blah...]"

Congratulations on alerting the world to water being wet. Next mytake: The sky is nlue!

Virtually everyone knows MGTOW is b. s. Furthermore most people know they are a very small minority, albeit a vocal one on the Internet.

But I don't believe that was your intent. I think your intent was just to complain about people who irritate you, not unlike MGTOWs complaining about people who irritate them. If you're about to deny this, just know I believe such denial like I believe the earth is a cube.

Nah, I don't think you're writing this to enlighten the world to the b. s. of MGTOWs. If you are, that's like enlightening the world that sand is sandy. I thinkthis mytake, like the gajillion others just like it, is just useless venting laced with language that will rally supporters but accomplish little else.

[TheInvisibleMan]

You are overanalyzing it. I just felt like somebody had to say it. These assholes are bragging with their degenerate behavior all over this site but normal people usually ignore it or something like that. I never saw a post telling them "you are the retarded ones, not us, now fuck off" so I put it in this take

[jennyPuss]

You really highlight something. You use a lot of derogatory language to identify men who don't do what you apparently do- chase women. Do everything possible to appease women and get their approval.

I have more respect for a man who stands in his integrity and draws a line in the sand than for you. There's some men out there who aren't successful with women, and no surprise, women as a whole are becoming demanding childish brats more and more, and having higher and higher unrealistic expectations. If some men say... you know what? Fine. I'm going to quite while I'm ahead and focus on my own life rather than forever pandering to these insufferable gold diggers... I respect that. I'd rather walk away than be a people pleaser.

What you're basically saying is that the approval of women should be the ultimate goal of any man, and if he can't get it, then he's a loser. You don't even consider for a moment, that there is the possibility that someone is just surrounded by assholes. The Bible says only Lot was righteous between the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

You are a simp and I hope you enjoy chasing pussy all your life. The more you chase it the more it will escape you

[Atton]

“What is your alternative? There are only 2 genders, and you are already one of them, so it leaves you with only one you are compatible with. So if you give up on that one, you are essentially left with nothing.”
Actually, you are left with a clean criminal record, a house and everything you have worked extremely hard to earn and limitless opportunity. Think Nikola Tesla the man that brought light to the world and that is just the tip of the ice berg of his achievements.
For a man who is truly free there is no upper limits on what they can do. Freedom is the greenest grass and the Neo Traditionalism your trying to sell is anything but. The deal for men with the status quo is terrible, the fact you cannot see that speaks to why MGTOW exists.
You cannot see what is right in front of you the deal you are offering is terrible. MGTOW solves for the individual man the problems you refuse to solve. The abuses and the horrifyingly abusive nature of the social contract.
You are going to lose the culture war if you decide to use shame. MGTOW is growing because men are being in a proverbial sense raped, if they decide to continue the status quo. Deciding between being raped and shame is an easy choice.
Most men would rather be called a wimp than be sent to prison. Because some douche bag in stilettos wants to use the law as a form of proxy violence on a whim. That is why InvisibleMan you are losing this argument, because you refuse to face the issues head on but rather deflect. That in my view is the ultimate form of cowardice you would rather face MGTOW than the abuser that is the modern woman.

[ThisAndThat]

Well said.

[Chemdawg99]

MGTOW is a pathetic means for justifying a lack of motivation to improve yourself as a man. Every man needs a good woman in their life and the best way to get a woman is to be the best version of yourself as a man that you can be.

Learn how to dress with style. Learn how to take care of your body and mind. As a man, you have to love yourself (not in a narcissistic, self-absorbed way) in order to attract and care for a good woman. Work on being a well-read man and educating yourself in order to be able to talk to anyone on any level and not sound like a moron.

Not wanting to enter into “social contracts” with women is a rather stupid and misguided philosophy. Life is all about taking risks and success in anything worth pursuing requires a certain degree of risk-taking, and that includes taking the risk of being rejected by women.

If you work on being the best man you can be, you won’t have to “go your own way” because the women will want to find out what you are about.

Confidence and knowing what you want in life as a man is a powerful aphrodisiac.

[BellePepper]

I came for the take and now I'm staying for the bitchy blue anon comments. Like they're so proud and so ready to stand up for what they believe that they posted anonymously.

I think you nailed this one OP.

[SarahsSummer]

Lol. Yup!

[Dred1614returns]

You and me both. It gives me some much needed humor.

[BellePepper]

@Dred1614returns Like how can you say you support and believe in your choices if you have to hide when you post about them?

[Afro-dite9]

*eat's popcorn* ohhh don't mind me lol...*Marshawn Lynch voice* "You know why I'm here" bahahahaaa

[BellePepper]

@Afro-dite9 Lmfao!!! 😂😘😘

[TheInvisibleMan]

Thank you all for support. Its funny how all these comments have only blue downvotes

[Afro-dite9]

Don't forget the outweighed 10 up votes... dork lol

[BellePepper]

Hmmmm such a mystery on that one OP...

[Bandit74]

You should read his comments he posted to people in his previous take (https://www. girlsaskguys. com/sexual-behavior/a32573-sluts-the-essence)
where he talks about how sluts are good for fun and how he wants to marry a virgin. Also how a guy can still be marriage material even if he was promiscuous while a girl really can't and that the hymen is the best indicator of a girls virginity.

Something tells me you won't be thinking as highly of the OP after reading those comments.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Bandit74 nice and childish. and how are things like who i want to marry or sleep with anybody else's problem except mine? you are just proving my point, i said you guys are whiny little bitches and you are acting like it in the comments. thanks for helping my take with an example :*

[Bandit74]

If anyone is acting childish it is you. Im not the one resorting to petty insult just because someone disagreed with me.

I personally dont have any issues with who you want to fuck/marry. I was just pointing out that the same women who are praising you for this take would have denounced you for your other opinions. They would not be calling you smart or labeling you as a real man if they knew you other views.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Bandit74 well my previous take was also popular with girls just as much (if not more) than guys. so what you are saying is complete bullshit based on nothing.

[Bandit74]

Thats because the things that they would have found offensive were in the comments and not in the body of the take.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Bandit74 no, thats again false. and comments are also available to everyone (thats why i have to deal with assholes like you)

[Bandit74]

It is true. The comments you made about promiscuous men being marriage material but not women, sluts being for fun while good girls are for marriage, and the hymen being the best indicator of virginity are all comments you made in the comments of your take but not in the body of the take. They are all comments that the same girls who are currently praising you would take issue with.

I believe you also mentioned that you were considering sleeping with a prostitute which makes it especially funny that you are the one talking down to MGTOW guys.

[Afro-dite9]

Leave BANDIT ALONEEEEEEEE lol👊
Belle, hey lovely 😘😘😘

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Bandit74 as I said, comments are available for anybody. still nobody really talked shit to me, so you have no point there.

[Papirus]

I am not anon commenter... I have my picture and age... read my comments above and you might get something about US REAL ALPHA MEN, strong and masculine predators - read, and you might get our point through your feminist brain :)

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Papirus "real alpha men"? Are you fucking kidding me? If you were any of those things you wouldn't be mgtow. This means you are a real whiny little bitch

[BellePepper]

@Papirus All I think when boys start talking about that alpha beta bullshit is how dudebros like you stole the terms and themes from erotic gay fanfiction writers. I bet you have some *great* fic recs though.

[Papirus]

I actually said that I don't like the tern "alpha" in my VERY FIRST comment, but it is easier to get me point faster + English is not my native language... just saying, we are not some little loser punks as you are dreaming :)

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Papirus Im not gonna point out some obvious bullshit you said here, since on the other opinion you told me a bit about yourself, so you are the first mgtow guy I have seen who actually achieved some things in his life. So its better to stop insults here and talk reasonably

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus you're funny.

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Have a laugh, feel good about yourself. I feel amazing since I am MGTOW :D

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus and don't forget "alpha" too. lol.

[Papirus]

"so you are the first mgtow guy I have seen who actually achieved some things in his life"
I am one of many... most MGTOWs are people, who are honest and hardworking men, men trained and expected to be providers - at some point they realize that, it is pointless to be a provider for someone who doesn't give a shit about them, and decide to move on - BUT NOT TO BECOME lazy asses and end up on the street. MGTOW teaches men to get their finances up, improve yourself, be the best version of yourself FOR YOU, build your future and be SELF RELIANT!
MGTOW is all about self-reliance, prepare and plan - WHAT man can do that - only the capable men...

And I will say it again MGTOWs are alphas (I don't like this term) - providers and fighters, people with morals and dignity - MGTOWS do not live in their mothers basement and play videogames.

Most MGTOWs are very good looking physically too - because we have to be men - to have strong hands and body - to be tough.

Do your research better, please!

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer I said I do not like this term... let's say if you align random 1000 man in a line, I will be one of those who will withstand physically, mentally, intelectually, I am a leader and have been, men of the ages 50+ are listening to me, and following me... How do you call that? People call this "alpha"... I am just a normal MAN - a old-school conservative man - and that makes me "alpha" among masses of manginas and "gentlemen"... I make decisions and take risks from very early age... I am not afraid to put myself first in the line...

How do you call that?

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Please read my 6 very long comments BELOW, under "redeyemindtricks"'s reply - there I have summarized what really MGTOW is for me and most of MGTOW men... I get a bit emotional and aggressive, but you will see men's views.

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus I don't care enough to read why you or your club is so great. I choose men that haven't lumped all women into the same barrel of misery they've experience. I choose men who may have been hurt by a women or women and choose to get up again and interact because as great as a man can be on his own, he realizes can be better with the love of a woman beside him. so, by all means, go your own way. I'll choose the men who prove who they are by their actions and interactions, not by the qualities they need to rattle off for acceptance or a feeling of self worth. I choose the man who has been scorned by many women but still has the optimism to want a real relationship with women because that guy will get the relationship you mgrow'ers gave up dreaming about. That man will essentially be the master of his own universe while you mgtow'ers are on the outside looking in.

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Sure :D Look at the divorce rates... I am pretty sure many divorced and even married men, are dreaming to live like us :)

Have a nice life, and remember... women started this by spitting on men for 70 years now, it is past time men reacted... we are going that way - look at birth rates, it is becoming for years now, we are just saying WHY it is happening, and it cannot be reversed.

I wish everyone a NICE LIFE and I will go my own way soon, I was just mad at the comments and the article itself - THIS IS WHY I spent the last day typing this - to clarify that MGTOWs are not what they are perceived here and everywhere.

Bye.

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus in spending your day typing all your "information" you've essentially proven exactly what the perception is.
Bye.

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer English is not my native, this was a metaphor, about 10-15 comments, not a big deal :)

And at the end of the day, I SHOULDN'T even care what people think of me and MGTOW... I am new to this and have the "red pill rage" still... it is going away... by the way there a re a lot of older MGTOWS - 40-50 year olds, who make youtube videos - LOOK AT THEIR LIFE - calmness, predictability, happiness... those people are not miserable as women think... anyways... by the way you are 26 - GO FIND THE PRINCE SOON!

I will tell you a secrete, which is not a secret... men like younger women, they smell the fertility in them - do not wait till 30, it will be almost impossible to fulfill your dream, and given the rates that MGTOW is rising in... MGTOWS have tripled just in a few months.

A man wants an EXCLUSIVE woman, a one that has not been used (slept with lets say more than 3-4 man)... that is nature, nothing religious or political about it :)

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus I've already found my prince thanks. For fear of having you blow up @BellePepper 'a post further, why do you think you are spending so much time trying to sell the mgtow way to women?

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Not women in general - women AND men!
Because women need to break out of their idea that they are princesses and someone SHOULD support and protect them... AND because men need to break out of their idea that they are white knights who have to save the princess!

Just giving another prospective to the feminist propaganda... why it is okay to bash men for centuries and the moment MGTOW is getting some popularity people are overreacting...

I felt personally insulted by the article and decided to defend myself and my fellow MGTOW brothers... that is why.

And this will be my last involving in a similar forum, I have business to run, bills to pay, things to buy and live my life...

I registered 16 hours ago, and will be away soon, no worries about me.

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus women have been bashing men for centuries? Really?

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Again.. English IS NOT MY NATIVE (I learned it from watching movies without subtitles)... I meant decades... it is not my native language, be calm... I know 3-4 language to speak and 2 to program, I can get confused sometimes - I think in Bulgarian, or even Russian, and have to respond fast in English... give me a break a little :D

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus no problem. I just needed clarity on that. I wish you well in your search for happiness as well in your quest to further learn and master the English language.

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Thanks, babe :* :D You like that, don't you... well, NO MORE :D
Bye

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer Tell me one last thing... You felt immediate relief when you found out that I am in Europe, in a small EU country, right? That made you feel like MGTOW is faaaar far away, and cannot interfere with you and your reality...

MGTOW is worldwide!!!

And we are making a change... new born women will start acting like ones, and be submissive to their new born masculine men... that will leave 2-3 liberal SJW generations in the trash can... but that's it. :)

Patriarchy will rule again in any case - either by muslims (who are savages towards women) or the new generation of Westerners will learn their mistakes. Humanity went in a wrong direction.

You understand that in the whole history WOMEN were valued for their FERTILITY AND VIRGINITY (Exclusive untouched women) and MEN were valued for their ability to gain status and gather resources... WOMEN abandoned their roles... why should men continue to be providers and supporters?

Ask yourself :)

[SarahsSummer]

@Papirus lol. The only relief I felt was when you said bye. As for what country you are in I give zero fucks. I praised you for learning English but that's where my praise and interest in you and your little club ends.

[Papirus]

@SarahsSummer GAGAGA :D... Have fun with your cats when 50(if your man let's you talk like that to him, he is a pussy :D...) :D Here is your relief:

BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE

[BellePepper]

@SarahsSummer I am especially enjoying the parts where you point out a flaw in his argument and instead of being like "oh hey maybe I should think about that" he's like "oh my English is bad bye!"

[Papirus]

I said "centuries" instead of decades, in my language "векове" и "десетилетия"... you can enjoy anyways, I am happy when people are happy :D :)

I don't want to live a happy life around unhappy people, you know... I can be the richest person around, but if all people around me are poor, I will be miserable, no matter my material gains... which is kinda literally the case I am living in...
I want people the be happy for themselves, I don't mess with, you don't mess with me.

Live and let live!

Damn my English is getting better and better! :D

I think MGTOW is the reason MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!

Sorry for my English... BYE! :D

[Papirus]

Try to speak a language you learned from watching movies... let me see if you do not make mistakes :)

Sorry for my English... BYE! :D

[Papirus]

Tell me, isn't it FUNNIER to have her avoid ALL the fundamental issues with women I bring up, and INSTEAD focus on my bad English? A? AHAHAHAHAH :D

Sorry for my English... BYE!

[Papirus]

It is like if I said... "THERE IS FAER FAER!!!"... and instead of focus on the burning house, DISMISS me with "LEARN PROPER ENGLISH!!!" and go away :D

Sorry for my English... BYE! :D

[Papirus]

And I said numerous times "half a century", "70 years", "50+ years"... so, I have one thing to say to you, keep in MIND:

Sorry for my English... BYE!

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Papirus ok that's really too much bullshit for one comment. mgtow guys are weak pussies who can't achieve anything, and suck at everything. they are not alpha nor beta, because beta guys can still be men, while these pussies are not in any way. you may have achieved a few things in your life but you are the first and only one I've heard about (if its even true). and the group is not about self improvement, its against self improvement because it teaches guys to be whiny little bitches

[Papirus]

I will say again... make your research better... MGTOWs are self-driven, and that takes courage, time and hustle :)

[Papirus]

And quite frankly... I think the feminist liberal society and propaganda we are living in, makes men weak and irresponsible...

Hell boys are not allowed to get in fights anymore... MEN are forbidden to defend their honor - to get in a bare fist fight, to have the old-school duel... Men are becoming like women - they gossip and talk shit about other men, because they know that many man will not do anything, because you know - courts, police and so on...

I have no fear about that... I fucked up my 40 years old neighbour for threatening to kill my big dog... just there in front of all people - 24 hours in arrest and I am free - THANK GOD, my country is loose on cases like this!!!

[TheInvisibleMan]

@Papirus you do your research. Look just here in the comments section and find me one guy who is pro-mgtow that isn't a complete little bitch

[Papirus]

They are just trolling... acting like assholes... if fact my initial response, which I was planning to write would have been "Shut the fuck up, bitches and manginas", because I am tired of people calling us losers... and move on... but I decided to explain myself... I hope I did.

[BellePepper]

@Papirus Awwww so since they don't act the way you want they're trolling? That's not the way it works bro.

And these ridiculous streams of multiple comments screaming how insecure you are stop or I'm blocking you.

[BellePepper]

@Papirus darling you're not being blocked because of your silly little ideas.

You're being blocked because you can't constrain yourself to a single comment. I know counting is difficult for you but I really believed in you. Oh well. Another MGTOW disappointment.

[CheerGirl38139]

Wow. I missed a week long shit storm

Sorry not sorry. But that was funny-ish

[BellePepper]

@CheerGirl38139 Lol! I'm glad you got a crack out of it! I certainly have 😈

I also think it'd be funny to go through papirus' profile. He seems like a pretty prolific guy

[CheerGirl38139]

👍👍👌

[BellePepper]

@CheerGirl38139 Lol good luck XD

[CheerGirl38139]

Apparently he just recently died. 😂😂

[BellePepper]

@CheerGirl38139 How suspicious...

[PapirusIsBACK]

@CheerGirl38139 Hello, babe? Want me to send you a dick pick?

[ConservativeMan]

Hi, I am that idiot, who wrote so much on this thread... this is my newest profile and I am not planning to get banned... please ready my main comment on this thread under ConservativeMan - I kept my tongue, and I think I explained my self for once

[ConservativeMan]

@SarahsSummer
No worries... you just have a crush on me, that's all... Many women feel intimidated by men like me, they run away, hide, and act aggressively, protectively... they smell I am a real man... and they know I am about to conquer them :)

[Anon-ymous1]

@SarahsSummer Oh hey there! Hopefully you'll see this, it's for you! Blocking someone who disagrees with you means you're stupid. ↗

@BellePepper I think there's some truth in that, maybe. But then again, isn't this all anonymous? It's not like any of us know each other, you know?

[SarahsSummer]

@Anon-ymous1 I usually block once I realize it’s not a fair debate and my opponent is too far outgunned. when I know they are truly incapable of absorbing knowledge, I basically employ the mercy rule on them.

[Anon-ymous1]

@SarahsSummer You're adorable. No, you block people (as does anyone who does so) because you're an idiot. An adorable idiot.

[CasaNorba]

@Anon-ymous1 I find it kinda ironic how the fool who wrote this mytake wrote this one weeks later

Why Being A Virgin Is Hell ↗

if you really want to get a kick look at what that person you're locking horns with in this opinion said to him on this mytake (she got the MHO btw) vs what she said to him on the one that I just posted. just more evidence that proof how enigmatic women are

[CasaNorba]

Dude your need to bash our movement says a lot of things about yourself. perhaps maybe this take is not about MGTOW but maybe its about yourself and how much you envy us because we are MAN enough to live life on our own without the need to live up to anybody else (especially women's) expectations.

hell this quote right here pretty much sums it all up in one sentence...

https://i.imgur.com/ztjp7uz.jpg

[TheInvisibleMan]

Hahahah stop trying to make it look manly. Read my take again, you will find there why your statement is bullshit, I dont have time, I have 150+ notifications because of this take

[CasaNorba]

if you dont have time then why write such a bullshit article in the first place smarty pants?

[Unit1]

You nailed it.

[CasaNorba]

@Unit1 lol its just funny and sometimes sad what some dudes are willing to just to get women's approval

[Unit1]

That is not what I meant (I liked the citation because it's true!) but in any case, he DID score pussy points as you can see.

[CasaNorba]

@Unit1 oh well its all cool but yea his need to write this article pretty much hints out that he isn't getting any of those pussy points in real life. and I'm actually not surprised as so far all the broads who've been praising him on this are the same feminazi sluts that I be locking horns with everytime I log in on this site.

[TheInvisibleMan]

The answer to your bullshit is in the take. You trying to insult me doesn't change it. And I don't have the time to write the whole take again for dumb sons of bitches like yourself

[CasaNorba]

this take doesn't answer shit except for how toxic your views are, you have no evidence to back them up either this article is based on your views only and @Bandit74 just called you out even further on that.

talk about hypocrisy you got offensive in your article first so what's wrong with giving you a dose of your own medicine? and no you dont have to rewrite your bullshit views all over again, it only takes one read to conclude you're the dumb son of a bitch yourself

[TheInvisibleMan]

it is based on my views (just like your bullshit replies are based on your view) that's why it's called MY TAKE. obviously people agree, this take is featured. and as for evidence - these are social situations, what kind of evidence do you expect? this is human behaviour. just because you don't like the fact you guys are pussies, instead of "men", doesn't make it less true

[CasaNorba]

@TheInvisibleMan OTFRL! dude the more you talk the more pathetic you sound

[CasaNorba]

@Bandit74 @NessMess @paul34 this guy just confessed he has no solid proof to back up everything he just said in his Mytake. I guess we are done here

[TheInvisibleMan]

Again you are writing bullshit. I said I dont know what kind of evidence are you looking for. Tell me that and I will answer. Also even if I didn't have evidence, you are forgetting that you have absolutely no evidence to back up the bullshit you wrote. So the best it can get for you is us being equal

[CasaNorba]

again I have solid proof in everything I've said as I am a member of MGTOW myself and we all keep in touch with each other and we all have our own sources.

you in the other hand everything you wrote in your article is based on nothing but the stereotypes you hear femininazis throw at us, so no we are not equal. I can back up everything I've just said and you in the other hand not only can you not back anything you've said up but so far all of those things have been backfiring on you since the start

[TheInvisibleMan]

You can't back up shit. You are telling me how MGTOW guys are real men while you are a little bitch. How could I ever believe you? You are a member and you are the kind I described. You are one of my evidence. And I can back up every single word I wrote. Do you want examples or what?

[CasaNorba]

really? well unlike you I've actually had more than one girlfriend, I've kissed a girl. I've lost my virginity, and i dont need to bash anybody group of people in order to get an ego boost.

you in the other hand you haven't done any of those so let's hear who the real bitch is here. wasting his time talking shit behind a computer using nonstop shaming tactics one everyone he thinks low of when in reality you basically talking about yourself all along, ain't that some scumbag shit?

[TheInvisibleMan]

see now you are just pissing all over what you said before. you claimed women are not important and how i seek approval from girls or whatever. now you consider yourself better than me just because you had a girl at some point (which i still dont believe based on your attitude). how about the fact i am more successful and accomplished than you in every other aspect of life? now you are the one who behaves like girls are the most important thing in the world, so not only did you piss on what you said, you are pissing on your whole bullshit mivement and your ass backwards ideology.

[CasaNorba]

I never said women are important smarty pants and never once did I say I was better than you because I had a girlfriend and not a kissless virging like you. All I did was call you out on your scumbag philosophy that all mgtow members are virgin and I really do not care whether you believe Me or not.

Till then get your ass off your computer and go get laid yourself once and for all. Let's see you try getting the same pussy points you got here from writing this bullshit article article out in the real world. Come it can't be that hard for you as you do live in Serbia. I'm pretty sure girls in your country aren't as overly feminized stick ups like the ones from here are.

So yea go out and get laid already, if can do here then I'm sure you could do it over there

[TheInvisibleMan]

How did I do it here? Did I get laid over the internet? I also never said all of you are virgins. Stop pulling stuff out if your ass. Yeah, I can't get laid, but that's the only thing I can't do. You probably can't either, but thats not important, the point is how you as a complete little bitch found the one thing I can't do and keep repeating it in attempt to insult me. How about I return fire? You get your ass off your computer and act like a man once in your life. Actually do something and stop being a pathetic little bitch. Do SOMETHING with your life. Anything. Feel success at least once in your pathetic life.

[CasaNorba]

lmao sounds like you really know a lot about me and my life (talking about pulling things out of your ass)

like I said earlier the more you talk the more the more you're coming off like a scumbag and so far I'm not the only one who's called you out on this one. till then go ahead, keep your keyboard commando comments coming! they are very entertaining!

[TheInvisibleMan]

Yes, things I wrote are based on your attitude. I know somebody who is a pussy bitch like you showed you are can't achieve literally anything. Even if you did actually have sex, you probably got lucky with some piss drunk fat and ugly chick... and thats it. Thats your whole life accomplishment. I know a lot of guys with whiny attitude who can't achieve shit in their life - but I never met anybody half as whiny and retarded as you, and I met a lot of people. And if nothing else, a guy who actually ever achieved something would never be mgtow. Case closed on your "life experiences"

[CasaNorba]

Oh yea was really fat, she weighed 250 pounds. And no she wasn't drunk she was actually high, high off of crack OTFRL!

Lmao that's a lot of generalizitation your making there just based off of someone's so called "attitude" Mr keyboard commando. got anymore scumbag statements you would like to make?

[TheInvisibleMan]

Attitude actually decides how successful a person is. Because even dumb guys with the right attitude can achieve big things. While smart guys with a bad attitude can't. And you are a dumb guy with a bad attitude, so yes, its enough for me to see that you are a failure. You will learn more about that someday when you start having actual life experiences.

[CasaNorba]

right, that makes perfect sense!

lmao You must be a descendant of Nikola Tesla after all since not only are you from Serbia but you do sound very smart yourself after all (sarcasm)

[CasaNorba]

very smart and experienced yourself for a 19 year old after all (sarcasm)

[TheInvisibleMan]

Make jokes all you want, but there is nothing funny about the fact I have way more life experience at 19 than you do at 29.

[CasaNorba]

yeap 19 years of experience at being the most invisible human being in history

[TruthBringer]

@CasaNorba Late to the party, but I enjoyed seeing you rip this dude a new one. I'm not even MGTOW and this MyTake made chuckle. Another blue pilled idiot scoring pussy points. It's these fools that can't handle the cognitive dissonance. They can't stand they get to say alll these horrible things about men's right movements only to find out it's these same men they talk shit about are the ones who get the girls in the end. What was the saying again? Oh yeah, nice guys finish last.

[CasaNorba]

@TruthBringer indeed! but if there is one thing I notice is that nice guys who think they're gonna get ahead by putting others down without looking at themselves first don't finish last either. they usually suffocate and throw the white towel way before the race is over

[Jager66]

LOL... sooo salty. It's funny how upset people get over MGTOW.

Like some guy gets bullied his whole life, or gets totally destroyed in divorce court so he becomes MGTOW, is that so surprising? Would you rather he kill him self?

Don;t you get it those guys don't care about being bullied, they have become desensitized to it, when you throw shit at them you only reinforce their world view, stop being so naive and stupid about it.

So what if some people wan't to opt out and talk shit on the internet... why is this such a big issue for so many people? !

[TheInvisibleMan]

A man can't be bullied by a woman. A weak little bitch can. Thats the difference I was talking about

[castratedwhiteguy]

Oh yea? A man certainly can be bullied by the court system. That's where gender politics is ultimately decided, and the system is rigged against the guy every time...

[TheInvisibleMan]

@castratedwhiteguy thats true, but don't marry a bitch and avoid it all together

[castratedwhiteguy]

You just don't know how relationships can change after seven years or longer and today marriages are disposable. The person you marry today may turn into a totally different person after a few years, and you don't have any control over that. That's why you can't blame MGTOW's for questioning a marriage institution that's been failing so many people. by the way, most MGTOW's aren't afraid of dating women. They're afraid of getting into a legally binding long term commitment.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@castratedwhiteguy I've heard that bullshit in tgeory, but really every mgtow guy I saw here was the pussy bitch kind like I described. and you should get to know a girl well before marrying her. the more time passes, the harder it will be for her to pretend (if she is pretending at all). and there are tests of her behaviour where you can see her true face, so you dont have to wait 7+ years. study a bit human behaviour and women in general, and you can figure this stuff out

[castratedwhiteguy]

Like I said, marriages are disposable these days and you can't see into the future. For example, female menopause can change a women for the worst once she reaches her late 30's. So the great women you marry could become a totally different person later on in life.

Also, alcoholism can develop into a big problem, especially for guys. What starts out in college as a harmless night out drinking with the guys during the weekend can later develop into an every day habit later in life that causes abusive behavior and dysfunction within the family. And in the old days wives would forgive the husband if he cheated on her for the good of the children and because she was a Christian. However, today if your wife catches you cheating she'll slap you with divorce papers so fast that it will make your head spin. The new rules say, it's one strike and you're out. Those are some of the reasons why MGTOW's are seriously questioning marriage.

[TheInvisibleMan]

@castratedwhiteguy About cheating - well don't cheat. If you want to have a functional marriage and fuck 50 girls on the side, thats not realistic. But yes, you partially are right, marriage has many risks, no argument there. However our civilization was built on it, and people always found a way to make it work out (majority if people at least). But now in 2016 we have assholes who are complete losers at everything but they think they are smarter than anybody in history and they are gonna go masturbate instead of finding a woman. Tell me thats not retarded?

[TheLeeyo]

Lol

Marriage is still and will ever be absolutely trash and nonsense
Now go and kill your momma and kill your stupid self

[chigurl33]

Okay shut up, everybody shut the fuck up. Men want to be on their own, mind your business. You don't want to pull down your standard to accommodate what is human fault which can be excessive in some cases and they don't feel they want to change that much for a girl then leave each other alone. We all hail girls who dont ever want to be with men but when men do the same thing it's wrong.

Actually you can argue the same point for feminism, women didn't want to hold to the standard men wanted so they argued and fought and got what they wanted. They want the kind of women they want so mind your business. There are probably girls for each of them out there, the kinds who don't mind someone else taking certain decisions for both of them so why don't you stick to the guys who you want... that are apparently nonexistent lol. You guys said they didn't exist yourselves so deal with it.

[NessMess]

I applaud your stupidity.
If you love being a stepping stone, go right ahead - no one will hold you back.
I can understand - maybe you are frustrated with the inability to get laid, and this way you are trying to shine a light upon yourself & seem more attractive... But then again maybe not.

This take won't change peoples minds - no matter how right you think you are...
Just because you don't see the purpose or reason of MGTOW : Doesn't mean we don't, we have our own goals & we will reach them - like it or not.

Sure - some women agree with you? Do you think we will care?
Most of those women are most likely the ones that got dumped by a guy who finally saw through their emotional bullshit - and refused to take it any longer...
Now those women are pissed, just like any other femenist who can't get laid.

I can't say its a shame you don't see our perspective - but then again, i would be lying if i said i wish you would...

[TheInvisibleMan]

Funny how you are bashing people and saying "they can't get laid" while representing a group of weak guys who can't get laid 😂Are you fucking kidding me?

[CasaNorba]

@NessMess amen brother, great job at lifting up his skirt!

@TheInvisibleMan where is your proof that we can't get laid? and when it comes to bashing you shouldn't be talking as 99% of your mytake is based on bashing others, so I think you are kidding yourself here buddy

[TheInvisibleMan]

@CasaNorba well, if nothing else, a guy who gets laid wouldn't spend half of his day writing his retarded opinion and insults on almost every comment here, like you do. fuck off retard, i am talking here in the comments with guys who actually have points or actually are trying to say something. I don't need your childish butthurt bullshit

[CasaNorba]

@TheInvisibleMan yea you sure know a lot about guys who get laid

[TheInvisibleMan]

@CasaNorba more than you obviously, if you knew anything you wouldn't be mgtow

[CasaNorba]

@TheInvisibleMan really? last time I checked I'm not the only MGTOW member who in the movement and isn't a virgin

also are you saying that Leonardo Dicaprio is a virgin?

[TheInvisibleMan]

@CasaNorba first of all with your bitchy whiny attitude you are the perfect example of what i described so most likely you ARE a virgin. also when did dicaprio even mention mgtow? stop pulling stuff out of your ass, write something true for a change

[NessMess]

I honestly feel sorry for you... but then again, it won't change anything now will it.

[CasaNorba]

@TheInvisibleMan I'm pulling stuff out of my ass ey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bL0UoDlCrU

unlike you I do my research before I talk so I suggest you take your own advice and do your own research before you bash other people just to bite your tongue and look like a fool in the future and I'm not saying I agree with your views on my attitude but obviously a guys attitude doesn't reveal whether he's a virgin or not. I think I've already said this 100 times but no I am not a virgin I've actually lost it over a decade ago thank you very much but do I feel flattered by it? NO, why? because it didn't made any of my problems disappear and it sure didn't give me any sense of accomplishment.

but oh well I wish you feel the total opposite when you lose yours. till then dont worry your time will come brother, just be patient

[TheInvisibleMan]

@CasaNorba as I said, bullshit. Just because he doesn't want to get married doesn't mean he is MGTOW. Find me a video of him saying "I am MGTOW" and then I will tell you you were right about him. He doesn't identify with your weak pussy group, he just has a certain attitude and there is nothing wrong with that

[CasaNorba]

@TheInvisibleMan mgtow is not just a movement, its a lifestyle. so therefore nobody has to yell "I"m officially mgtow!" to be considered a member

[TheInvisibleMan]

@CasaNorba but thats exactly what you assholes are doing. and stop considering various guys members just because they dont want to get married. unless somebody identifies himself as a mgtow member, he is not one. i can just as easily form a group called "normal guys" and consider every normal guy as a member so my grouo would have over 3450000000 members

[Paul34]

@CasaNorba Dont pay attention to this tool.

[CasaNorba]

@Paul34 I'm not I'm actually getting tired of calling him out and flipping his own personal attacks on himself. lmao this guy really won G@G's 2016 #keyboardcommando award

[Paul34]

@CasaNorba yeah, he's a keyboard warrior. 🏆🏆🏆🏇

[TheInvisibleMan]

@CasaNorba yeah, call me a keyboard warrior when you achieve 10% of the things I did in my life. And that 10% is for the both of you (so its 5% per asshole). actually no. call me when you achieve ANYTHING in your pathetic lives.

[CasaNorba]

a recent upvote I got today made me come back and read a few of the comments in this mytake and think, am I still the only one who wonder what exactly was this loser talking about? what exactly did he get done that he won't shut up about it?