Even though I am a woman, and can only understand this topic from an outsider's point of view, I can sense that this is spot on, and respect you for coming forward. I don't even know if I can properly articulate how honest, encouraging- although rightly blunt-, and equal parts profound and hilarious this Mytake was, so all I can say is *slow clap, which graduates to uproarious applause and a sincere slow motion silver tear from each eye one at a time, as Adele performs tribute* Maybe I'm being a bit dramatic, but basically good job, and I'm looking forward to laughing at the chaos that will more than likely ensue in the comments section lol.
Nice personal attacks and lack of logic. MGTOW is a movement of men who are "going their own way" or in other words said fuck it, the system is bullshit so I won't participate in it any longer. Tell me, once looking up divorce rates, seeing how courts almost always favor women in divorce/child custody issues, and in general observing the modern behavior of women, how it isn't logical to become a MGTOW? Its obviously the most logical choice. Also, I think most would agree that part of being a man is being confident. You don't seem very confident otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to personally insult an entire group of people. But if you hate MGTOW, thats fine, if you want to get married or date, thats none of my business. Why the anger and hostility though? MGTOW does not affect you.
Im tired of degenerate behavior being treated as normal, thats why I wrote this take. And giving up on women is giving up on one whole aspect of life. Its also retarded - imagine a guy walking into the gym wanting to be muscular and he starts working out and then goes "these weights are too heavy, fuck this!" then goes home cries about it, and remains a fat fuck his whole life while talking how gyms are evil and how he is smart while the guys who are in shape are stupid. And this example is still less retarded than what mgtow guys do. And the answer to all the problems you listed is: find a normal girl.
Whats degenerate about abstaining from marriage/relationships/ and in some cases sex altogether? The only degeneracy I see in the movement is the man whores who just pump and dump chicks. As for your analogy, I think you dont understand how MGTOW works and why men become one. Its very simply looking at dating/marriage from a risk vs reward standpoint. What are the risks of marriage? Losing custody of your children, paying alimony, destroying a family, etc. Whats the reward? Well, if none of that shit happens then I suppose the reward is the title of being married. See? The risks outweigh the rewards. Same with dating but to a lesser extent. Risks of dating: possible false rape accusations is the only one I can think of. The reward? Being in love and happy. There are MGTOWS that are in relationships actually, they just usually refuse to marry and or live together. Me personally I prefer to be single.
Whats degenerate about it? Rejecting something which exists for as long as humanity does. Even you wouldn't exist if it wasn't for those things. As some guy here said - anything that doesn't make a man and woman come together is bullshit. And as for the other problems - find a normal girl and you avoid all of that. You guys keep finding feminist bitches and then whining how they are evil. Its like going up to a rabid pitbull and then complaining how it bit you. No feminist ever made a good girlfriend/wife
MGTOW is so much better than the other stuff that's going around in european based non biological operating society. Guys claiming it that don't actually understand it is the real problem. Who cares if it's a majority or minority of men? That's not the point. Really not the point. I don't agree with everything but I understand it and respect it. Trying to change things can't happen when most people don't operate based on biology but based on social constructs that don't reflect biology. So many insist and shame others to be quiet to force most of us to pretend we agree in public. This is simply a reaction that I can feel and understand. Not that I can't laugh about it too lol. Oh I wish I could laugh more!
I dont identify as MGTOW but I think this take is dumb.
I dont think you've changed anyones perspective on anything. You just trash talked a group of people and then everyone who already shared your perspective before they even read the article praises you.
This goes right to the point of discussion we've had before, Bandit74.
If this were a discussion about virtually ANYTHING other than dating (Why People Who Can't Do Math Are Bullshit, Why People Who Are Bitter about not Having Children Are Bullshit, etc.), we both know that the writer of said take would be dog piled on. But since it's about the dating inept, why then it's just let 'er rip.
I think MGTOW is PROFOUNDLY mistaken. I think MGTOW is the path to sadness and loneliness. Yet it's a mystery to me why trashing human beings has become a sport.
The truly funny part is that they have the arrogance to play it off like they are trying to help those people get better when the entire take is patronizing in tone and goes from insult to insult. Then everyone who already shared the writer's perspective essentially comments "yeah those guys are pathetic, they really suck, great take". Thats not going to make anyone change, if anything it is only going to make those guys MORE bitter.
I am not some kind of an angel to come here and try to put these lost sheep on their right path. Yes this was talking trash about them and picking their bullshit group apart, explaining every bit why is it stupid and pointless. My goal wasn't to change their perspective, my point was "Stop being proud. You are fucking annoying. Your whole belief system is bullshit and you are pathetic losers. And here us why it's bullshit...". In my country we have a saying that roughly translates to "a smart man is ashamed of the thing an idiot is proud of". This applies to them
But again, that's how mankind becomes better. Weak, pathetic little bitches like these are not gonna reproduce and they are not gonna spread their weak pathetic genes. So this might be even natural from a certain point of view. But that's another topic. I <3 alpha!
@BenignCzar real mature. you are 67 years old and use childish insults over the internet. thats really sad. and you are probably mgtow, which is even more sad. i feel sorry for you, I hope I won't be that much of a failure when Im your age
@BenignCzar even if I was it's kind of acceptable in my age. while in yours its just really sad. means that you missed your entire life. im just beginning mine
The problem with MGTOW is that while most of their points are valid and good reasons for men like myself to be angry, they - as you alluded to - are not really going anywhere. That is, they are positing no solutions other than a defeatist attitude of giving up. The unfortunate effect is that it causes frustrated males like myself to slink even deeper into depression and hopelessness, when in reality it should focus on providing us with a way to better succeed in such a harsh reality.
The solution is to get better with women, and work on yourself too, that will achieve multiple things. Giving up won't achieve anything, as you already realized
Well the women have to be better too and that's in short supply lol. Giving up does solve problems. Less women have less access and very generally the CDC (USA) reports declining live births...
If women were as they were even into the 1970s, there would be no MGTOW. Feminism has corrupted two generations of mostly white, "educated", middle class women, making them unsuited to the "slavery" of marriage, family and children. For some men MGTOW is just a retreat and that is their choice. But my MGTOW takes the form of an uncorrupted foreign born woman, who is Christian, loves family and children and is proud of her domestic skills. Men have changed little in 10,000 years other than becoming pussified over the last 40 by having to settle for the wreakage that is modern Western women. Let them die alone cuddling up to their rabbit vibrators. And for G0d's sake, don't let them raise or teach children. Dump the lot of them for authentic women.
The problem with foreign women is that as soon as they are inserted into Western society they begin to morph into the sort of narcissistic, entitled, bitchy, hypergamous women one sought to avoid.
Western society is fucked up, but curling up into a ball and crying about it (like these guys do) won't change anything, in fact it will make it even worse
I think I just made a new best friend. I really thought MGTOW was the shit when i first heard of it, i thought it was guys actually standing up to the looming shadow women are putting up, then i saw what it really was... just a bunch of guys huddling up crying about their "oppressors"... fuck that... so now i am a stolid member of MGMOW (Me Going My Own Way) and the FWUT (Fuck What U Think) groups... and there is only one Member... (thats a pun lol)
you ain't the only one baby... i should introduce you to the fellas... Just hope you are ready for the female down votes, because we get a LOT... thats because we say some real shit... Man, i wish i had your smarts at 19/20 it wasn't till i was 24 before i understood some stuff... hehe. thats awesome.
Now... this article is put bullshit... and I don't mind saying it. However, this article is typical of many I've seen... written by people who are terrified that there are successful MEN who have decide the societal construct built for men by women is not something they want any part of. One atrocious marriage to a cheater (she is dead now) was enough to convince me there is a better way to live. For some men, simply keeping women at arms' length except for the most casual of relationships, and avoiding marriage, children, and all of the othe means of slavery, is their best option. I know it was for me.
You are blamin 3500000000 people for the wrong choices you made. If you married a normal girl you wouldn't have such problems. And there are no successful people in mgtow actually
@Notorisch_Arschloch : It is easy to have a very successful career when you are not burdened with outside influences to inhibit job or business success.
My final thoughts on this? I am always amazed... and amused... at the level of vitriol just because a certain group of men have decided to forego the "pleasures" and the PAIN of having relationships with women... why would any of you care? And if you don't, why would you comment?
Well, apparently not. According to this vastly knowledgeable child barely out of high school, there are NO successful men like me.
Funnily enough, I make about twice now as before I stopped dating. I've tried a few times again, but none of them have interested me beyond the first date, hell, the first half hour of the first date. Haven't dated in a year, and my personal, professional and financial growth have never been better or at a higher rate of speed.
Funny how that works. But this kid... this kid knows better than us.
@Notorisch_Arschloch the very fact you keep repeating you are "successful" and a "real man" makes me doubt it even more. also no real successful man could ever have their head so far up their ass to join an online group for little bitches
this article is stupid. You are taking a dumb ass trend that is barely heard of and calling it BS.
I can't stand idiots like you. You are being a man-feminist.
The reason men are quiting on women is because there are too many that are shallow and impossible to approach and please. And the ones that are NICE are still dumping guys for being loyal and high valued.
I think you pretty much missed every point that the "MGTOW" crowd has thrown out... you sound like a jilted chick haha. At its heart, that movement says - "Take responsibility for yourself, get your shit in order, and don't pander to women. Live with your eyes open with regards to marriage and intersexual dynamics." Pretty honest, straight-forward message - and is a natural response when you look at current gender relations. Most of the guys who I know in this lifestyle are highly successful and have real-life experience with many of the extremes of the "women can do no wrong" crowd. So - rather than being a childish reactionary, maybe read / listen a little deeper, bud.
LOL! Great shaming language :-) But the author forgot to mention that we are all gay, live in our mother's basement, have micro-penises; are fat and sour-smelling and wearing fedoras.
This shit was old-skool many years ago - aintcha' got anything new?
This is not classic shaming, I did use insults however I also pointed out some obvious facts that say you are losers. And many guys here tried to say they are not the type I described - by whining, bitching and doing again many of the things I mentioned. If I ever meet a normal mgtow guy who is not any of the things I described I will admit there are some normal ones. This way you guys keep providing me more and more evidence
I do have already signed up on MGTOW!.. Just for analyzing their stuff!.. Well not 100% of MGTOW Society contains!.. Such looser!.. However yes you are right whining bitch boys find it a decent place to go and hide!.. But then again it's a loop that women want guys to be strong!.. They want a men in life but they want us to be sensitive too!.. Sensitive = bitch boys!.. So it's a funny loop!.. If we man up we turn into MR. Grey From 50 shades of gray and if become sensitive then we turn into bitch boys!..
Sensitivity is one of the things girls say they want in a man, but they really don't. Doesn't mean you should be stone cold Steven Seagall type, but sensitivity doesn't really get guys laid.
@Paul34 do you need to reply on every opinion here? chill the fuck out asshole. Im not a Hillary supporter, as I already showed with this take, I don't like bullshit
You are delusional my friend. Because mgtow only does women a favor. You don't are not taking men away from them, you are taking little annoying bitches, who women never wanted in the first place. So all you are doing is filtering men for them. Maybe they should thank you
Women won't find a way to them because women never wanted them in the first place! That's why they "gave up". If they were able to find a girl, they would never "give up"
Nerds thought they could escape via the internet/computers. Now it's being overrun by chicks (being facetious). Pioneers thought they could escape women settling the frontier, pioneer women went right along with them. Professionals thought they could escape women in a male dominated work force but women found ways to shoe themselves in. This is all with the help of men. Women chase in their own way. Women are the biggest stalkers/harassers on the planet!! Reality is, most just want to be with men, in any way they can. Stop punishing them for that.
A lot of the complaints voiced by MGTOWs are just as nonsensical as feminists. They're a terrible yin/yang combo. How many women you know can just up and abandon an entire gender? Is like asking a kid to abandon their parents to make it on their own. It can be done, but odds are not in your favor.
having had the misfortune of encountering a "mgtow" in real life, let's just say that this take is spot-on... my hands are bright red from applauding, and i'm giving you a standing ovation despite the fact that my knees are so fucked up i can't stand properly.
You are just full of BS... you and most women call put MGTOWs in a frame... we all have our OWN minds, but come together on important issues, but we differ... we do not have an organization - ALL of us are on their OWN, we do not have ads and government funding like feminism - we are not cult :)
We fix our lives ON OUR OWN, we just don't need lazy ass women to keep us down... because THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE... on average - LAZY ASS BITCHES! :)
Women had to wash by hand, cook and grow food on their own, and didn't complain for centuries, NOW you have the cooker, the washing machine and so on... and became LAZY ASSSSS BI A T C H E Z! :)
Thank Nikola Tesla and Newton, who shunned women like you and helped create all the luxuries you are using now... now how is that, b?
OH! Don't forget the DRAFT!!! WE, MGTOWs do NOT want to die in YOUR honor (or be given the white feather of cowardice, like our grandfathers who had no choice to say NO, when asked to die for women)...
Do not ask us to protect society ANYMORE, because wars are coming, how do you imagine 20th centurey: 2 World Wars, Korea, Iran, Afganistan, Vietnam, Chechnia, Kosovo, Caucasian wars are not ending, Wars in the middle ease, Somalia, India and Pakistan, Lebanon, ISRAEL, PALESTINE, Armenian genocyde and other cruelties by the Ottoman Empire... and so on - wars are not ending. 21 century - Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan and Iran again, SYria, Libya, Ukraine... WARS WARS WARS...
The West will be in a war SOON, be sure that in OUR life-time there will be major wars, that will not affect only some miserable countries far far away... THE WEST will be at war, be assured...
By then, half of the male population will be MGTOW, I assure you that... and DON'T DARE to ask us to go to war... We are going away... you go to war now!
The DRAFT will FINALLY make us EQUAL!!! So you WILL have to protect yourself, grab the 30kg pack and move! :)
You blocked me, right... or it was TOO painful to hear the TRUTH :D
How did women imagined that... call us pigs and dirty animals that can't control themselves when the see the PRECIOUS PUSSY - THAT LITTLE HAIRY SMELLY WHOLE of yours... men were and portrayed as inferior to women for decades now... but it is actually the opposite.
We will not fulfill our gender roles...
Keep in mind the draft, we MGTOWs are not involved, because we are busy growing our business and future on OUR OWN, but the MRAs are working REAL HARD to get the DRAFT for women too ALL OVER THE WEST - USA, Canada, Europe... and we are more than happy!
Either the draft will be abolished for EVERYONE - or IT will include all women aged 18-44.
I am written in the draft, and my country may explode in a war REAL SOON - muslim refugees are coming by the THOUSANDS each WEEK through my country... war will explode...
I won't risk my life for princess entitled bitches, be assured :)
Hahahahahaha, this is SOOOO cool... you are a COWARD? MAN-UP!!!
Women were enslaved by the patriarchy? :D XAXAXA In fact it is AGAIN the opposite - MEN were enslaved MUCH MORE by it - the moment you are born a BOY - Your life is on the line AND you were marked as disposable...
I know you can't stand my aggressiveness, but MAN-UP - you want to be equal to men - MAN-UP!!!
This is how we talk - get my points REAL good, KEEP calling us "loooosers", even tough we are stronger in every aspect than you "real white knite gentlemen" men...
I think that all manginas, white knights and all modern women should go to war from now on - we MGTOWs want nothing to do with the new system - we are going away, not bothering anyone.
You like your society - you die in the mud, starving for 2 weeks. Cuz that is men did for centuries.
Have fun... ooo I like FEMINISM, It freed MEN !!! AHHAHAHAHAHA :D
... no woman or mangina wants to counter my points... its simple... YOU CANNOT! And it is so funny... oh... it is hilarious... The most funny thing is that MANY women pretend that they do not like the 3rd wave feminism - it was "cancer"...
BUT EVEN the SECOND WAVE feminism - the VOTING feminism is such a bullshit :D
Women wanted to be EQUAL - they wanted TO VOTE... but didn't want the draft... why so? HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAH
Because women want things for free, as always... is it hard to hear the truth women?
And ANSWER MY DAMN POINTS, OKAY!!! ... I am sure many of you little bitches won't bother to even read my writings, but many of you who will, will just ignore me, or write a man-shaming comment how I am a "coward" or a "loser"... I know that... COUNTER MY points, CUNTS!
I cannot believe that... it is really unbelievable. HERE we have an article that is SHAMING MGTOW... that is SHAMING a group of people, who want to live their lives - we are not serial killers or rapists... leave us alone in our looser pits of shit in the corners of the internet, as you like to say.
Here I am - a STRONG 6'4'' BIG MAN like bear - a MGTOW - writing what MGTOW is and why we are MGTOW...
I had the perception that most of the people here hated MGTOW... all women's comments agreed with the author.
I am MGTOW - I can say what we truly are... why everyone is so scared... huh?
Because I have some points?
Keep hating us... even tough we do not care for you... and WILL NOT care when we are DEMANDED by society TO CARE!
We are growing by the millions, you will hear - and we HAVE the right to live HOW we want, we HAVE the right to not be written in the DRAFT, we have the right to be masters of our OWN lives!
MGTOWS are REAL MEN, keep living in your illusions, feel good!
So YET AGAIN I am right, when I said previously that women nowadays are with the mindset of children throughout their whole adult life HAHAHHA, I win again, feminist scum bitches :)
FYI, the guy's opinions are VERY reminiscent of PUA kind of people. Don't give him fuel. Those guys are probably worse than MGTOWs. Who, I will admit, include some horrible people.
Ironically, you claim that MGTOW men are "whiney little bitches", yet the MGTOW movement is centered around fighting anti-masculinity from society and encouraging manliness. You have no idea what you're talking about and your whole take is completely subjective and irrelevant.
Agreed, the emasculated male that posted this biased take conventiently ignores MGTOW's actual purpose, goals, and successes. He instead whines like a little bitch while hypocritically asserting that he hates whiney men and pushes the same childish feminazi narrative that MGTOW men "can't get girls".
And hilariously, the commenters praising this take are misandryist feminazis and other emasculated males.
First of all, "encouraging manliness"? Find me just ONE guy who is mgtow and manly. Just ONE in the whole world. You can't. Because that guy doesn't exist. Case closed on that bullshit. Second, and more important - look at how old this take is. Look through the comments and chances are you will find the answer to whatever bullshit your retarded little mgtow mind can come up with. I had plenty of whiny mgtow bitches try to attack me here and not one of them had any actual case, or evidence. So yeah, you have all the answers down there. I have better things to do than to write the same things again and again
@TheInvisibleMan Hilarious, another feminine-emotionally-charged response from a boy that hypocritically accuses other men of being "whiny bitches". Cry harder.
And your request for one example cannot be objectively defined, making it invalid and non-argumentative. However, one example can be "Hybrid", a MGTOW youtuber.
Maybe its because I don't have the time or the nerves to do a detailed research on this asshole, but based on what I just checked out, he is not manly, just a random mgtow bitch. So bad example. Also, what you fail to realize is that you or anybody in the world can't find an actual manly guy who is mgtow because those two things are contradictory. Nobody who has ANY manly traits can be mgtow. You are either a man or you are a bitch (mgtow). Its like asking you to find a bald guy with long hair. It just cannot happen.
How is he not "manly"? He's physically built, has a somewhat deep voice with no feminine lisp, has no filter (unnecessarily curses a lot), etc. In fact, you very likely can't name ONE feminine feature about him.
Like I mentioned earlier, this question is invalid and non-argumentative considering the fact that it can't be objectively defined (what you don't find manly may in fact be manly, it's mere opinion).
2. MGTOW's main belief is about weighing out the cost-benefit of a relationship with women and realizing that it's not worth it, how does that make someone "think like a bitch"?
3. You've never presented a legitimate argument, just your subjective opinion on what's 'manly' and a multitude buttburt insults. You've even raised the goalposts after I successfully fulfilled your request of "finding one manly MGTOW man".
1. Then why the fuck do you even try to defend it? 2. Giving up on women is retarded, since sex is a basic human need. Its like giving up on all food because its expensive 3. I actually have, I explained every detail in the take, if you don't have the mental capacity to understand it, thats your problem. And I didn't raise anything, you said that being manly meand wide shoulders and a deep voice. That is complete nonsense, has nothing to do with being manly 4. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true
TheInvisibleMan You are 21 and you may think you know what it takes to be a man, but you don't. You have no life experience, you're just constantly whining. Sex is NOT a basic human instinct, you petulant little shit. One facet of manliness is competition, and I will guarantee that I could beat the shit out of you without breaking a sweat.
Your feminine traits do not make you manly, they make you FEMININE. How dumb are you? If you think taking dick up the ass is manly, fine. I don't want to be YOUR definition of man. I am a man, and I don't give a shit what you think because you're a bitch.
@Soul_Mountain Well said. We shouldn't waste our time talking to morons who act tough on the internet. They are whiny little beta's that need therapy. Bet he deleted his G@G account after your reply lol.
I'm still not very clear on what this MGTOW thing is. All along, people are working towards their own goals, having self-ownership. And I get the frustrations of being confined to society's norms. But these are all nothing new, they've been there since the beginning of time. I just don't get the idea that being associated with a group like this can empower anyone. I mean if the guy doesn't want to marry or have a girlfriend, he is free to do so. It's his choice, what has it got to do with MGTOW.
I can really imagine some guy with a neck beard writing this just to get all the pussy appreciation, why should you care if some cunt doesn't want to bother with the opposite sex? Why should you care if they are proud of being single? Are you saying that they need to have a spouse/girlfriend to be 'fulfilled' in life? Of course some guys in this group go MGTOW because they have terrible luck with girls, but that's unfortunate, they accept they are not compatible with girls and decide to just embrace it. I really don't see a problem with it. Some MGTOWs are also guys who have been fucked over by their wives through divorce, which is completely understandable why they'd adopt these attitudes.
Why should they be ashamed they they have issues? Why should they not adopt this attitude for having really bad experiences with women, do you call all women who got raped and are now scared of men "pussies and they should be ashamed"? No, you wouldn't because that's fucked up.
Giving up is not the answer. I am against it because its degenerate behavior. Imagine if a baby learning to walk fell down and decided walking was too hard. Is that the answer? To be fucked up your whole life because of some bad experiences. There are MUCH worse things in life than some girl rejecting you. And ok, they are losers, I wouldn't had a problem with them if they were self aware. But no, they are all over this site, bragging how they are retarded and calling every normal guy stupid because he is not a member if their bitchy group. If you are a retard already, then you should act like "Im a retard so Im gonna crawl back to my shithole and shut up", instead, they go on and brag - everywhere! Of course I was pissed off and I wrote this take where I pointed out some obvious things, and explaining exactly that - you are stupid, si shut the fuck up. That was the point. (I don't mean you as in YOU, I am talking about them)
A baby learning to walk is different, that was a problem it made for itself by falling and then deciding not to walk, also babies are not capable of logical thinking to the same level as an full grown adult, so it would not think "oh, let's stop that". I know, these guys should not brag about being MGTOW or go round insulting people for not being one as then forcing someone to go MGTOW is not really them going their own way. But we shouldn't insult them for giving in and giving up. I personally haven't talked to a woman other than my mother, her friends (and some other relatives) for like 5/6 months. Am I a degenerate?
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Even though I am a woman, and can only understand this topic from an outsider's point of view, I can sense that this is spot on, and respect you for coming forward. I don't even know if I can properly articulate how honest, encouraging- although rightly blunt-, and equal parts profound and hilarious this Mytake was, so all I can say is *slow clap, which graduates to uproarious applause and a sincere slow motion silver tear from each eye one at a time, as Adele performs tribute* Maybe I'm being a bit dramatic, but basically good job, and I'm looking forward to laughing at the chaos that will more than likely ensue in the comments section lol.
Nice personal attacks and lack of logic. MGTOW is a movement of men who are "going their own way" or in other words said fuck it, the system is bullshit so I won't participate in it any longer. Tell me, once looking up divorce rates, seeing how courts almost always favor women in divorce/child custody issues, and in general observing the modern behavior of women, how it isn't logical to become a MGTOW? Its obviously the most logical choice. Also, I think most would agree that part of being a man is being confident. You don't seem very confident otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to personally insult an entire group of people. But if you hate MGTOW, thats fine, if you want to get married or date, thats none of my business. Why the anger and hostility though? MGTOW does not affect you.
Im tired of degenerate behavior being treated as normal, thats why I wrote this take. And giving up on women is giving up on one whole aspect of life. Its also retarded - imagine a guy walking into the gym wanting to be muscular and he starts working out and then goes "these weights are too heavy, fuck this!" then goes home cries about it, and remains a fat fuck his whole life while talking how gyms are evil and how he is smart while the guys who are in shape are stupid. And this example is still less retarded than what mgtow guys do. And the answer to all the problems you listed is: find a normal girl.
Whats degenerate about abstaining from marriage/relationships/ and in some cases sex altogether? The only degeneracy I see in the movement is the man whores who just pump and dump chicks. As for your analogy, I think you dont understand how MGTOW works and why men become one. Its very simply looking at dating/marriage from a risk vs reward standpoint. What are the risks of marriage? Losing custody of your children, paying alimony, destroying a family, etc. Whats the reward? Well, if none of that shit happens then I suppose the reward is the title of being married. See? The risks outweigh the rewards. Same with dating but to a lesser extent. Risks of dating: possible false rape accusations is the only one I can think of. The reward? Being in love and happy. There are MGTOWS that are in relationships actually, they just usually refuse to marry and or live together. Me personally I prefer to be single.
Whats degenerate about it? Rejecting something which exists for as long as humanity does. Even you wouldn't exist if it wasn't for those things. As some guy here said - anything that doesn't make a man and woman come together is bullshit. And as for the other problems - find a normal girl and you avoid all of that. You guys keep finding feminist bitches and then whining how they are evil. Its like going up to a rabid pitbull and then complaining how it bit you. No feminist ever made a good girlfriend/wife
MGTOW is so much better than the other stuff that's going around in european based non biological operating society. Guys claiming it that don't actually understand it is the real problem. Who cares if it's a majority or minority of men? That's not the point. Really not the point. I don't agree with everything but I understand it and respect it. Trying to change things can't happen when most people don't operate based on biology but based on social constructs that don't reflect biology. So many insist and shame others to be quiet to force most of us to pretend we agree in public. This is simply a reaction that I can feel and understand. Not that I can't laugh about it too lol. Oh I wish I could laugh more!
You totally went off topic...
Of course I did
So did you.
I dont identify as MGTOW but I think this take is dumb.
I dont think you've changed anyones perspective on anything. You just trash talked a group of people and then everyone who already shared your perspective before they even read the article praises you.
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This goes right to the point of discussion we've had before, Bandit74.
If this were a discussion about virtually ANYTHING other than dating (Why People Who Can't Do Math Are Bullshit, Why People Who Are Bitter about not Having Children Are Bullshit, etc.), we both know that the writer of said take would be dog piled on. But since it's about the dating inept, why then it's just let 'er rip.
I think MGTOW is PROFOUNDLY mistaken. I think MGTOW is the path to sadness and loneliness. Yet it's a mystery to me why trashing human beings has become a sport.
@Bluemax
The truly funny part is that they have the arrogance to play it off like they are trying to help those people get better when the entire take is patronizing in tone and goes from insult to insult. Then everyone who already shared the writer's perspective essentially comments "yeah those guys are pathetic, they really suck, great take". Thats not going to make anyone change, if anything it is only going to make those guys MORE bitter.
I am not some kind of an angel to come here and try to put these lost sheep on their right path. Yes this was talking trash about them and picking their bullshit group apart, explaining every bit why is it stupid and pointless. My goal wasn't to change their perspective, my point was "Stop being proud. You are fucking annoying. Your whole belief system is bullshit and you are pathetic losers. And here us why it's bullshit...". In my country we have a saying that roughly translates to "a smart man is ashamed of the thing an idiot is proud of". This applies to them
But again, that's how mankind becomes better. Weak, pathetic little bitches like these are not gonna reproduce and they are not gonna spread their weak pathetic genes. So this might be even natural from a certain point of view. But that's another topic.
I <3 alpha!
Im not an alpha male myself, but some behavior is just really stupid...
Good for you... go breed with the lower life forms.
@BenignCzar real mature. you are 67 years old and use childish insults over the internet. thats really sad. and you are probably mgtow, which is even more sad. i feel sorry for you, I hope I won't be that much of a failure when Im your age
Beautiful beautiful stuff to read tonight *.* thank you
You are already a failure
@BenignCzar even if I was it's kind of acceptable in my age. while in yours its just really sad. means that you missed your entire life. im just beginning mine
MGTOW is pathetic. As are those who make convince them to go.
The problem with MGTOW is that while most of their points are valid and good reasons for men like myself to be angry, they - as you alluded to - are not really going anywhere. That is, they are positing no solutions other than a defeatist attitude of giving up. The unfortunate effect is that it causes frustrated males like myself to slink even deeper into depression and hopelessness, when in reality it should focus on providing us with a way to better succeed in such a harsh reality.
The solution is to get better with women, and work on yourself too, that will achieve multiple things. Giving up won't achieve anything, as you already realized
Well the women have to be better too and that's in short supply lol. Giving up does solve problems. Less women have less access and very generally the CDC (USA) reports declining live births...
If women were as they were even into the 1970s, there would be no MGTOW. Feminism has corrupted two generations of mostly white, "educated", middle class women, making them unsuited to the "slavery" of marriage, family and children. For some men MGTOW is just a retreat and that is their choice. But my MGTOW takes the form of an uncorrupted foreign born woman, who is Christian, loves family and children and is proud of her domestic skills. Men have changed little in 10,000 years other than becoming pussified over the last 40 by having to settle for the wreakage that is modern Western women. Let them die alone cuddling up to their rabbit vibrators. And for G0d's sake, don't let them raise or teach children. Dump the lot of them for authentic women.
Problem is not all women are feminist and are agaibst it me for one its for ugly bitchs and hoes
The problem with foreign women is that as soon as they are inserted into Western society they begin to morph into the sort of narcissistic, entitled, bitchy, hypergamous women one sought to avoid.
@cth96190 your experience? Not mine.
Western society is fucked up, but curling up into a ball and crying about it (like these guys do) won't change anything, in fact it will make it even worse
I think I just made a new best friend. I really thought MGTOW was the shit when i first heard of it, i thought it was guys actually standing up to the looming shadow women are putting up, then i saw what it really was... just a bunch of guys huddling up crying about their "oppressors"...
fuck that... so now i am a stolid member of MGMOW (Me Going My Own Way) and the FWUT (Fuck What U Think) groups...
and there is only one Member... (thats a pun lol)
See, now your group I would support xD
you ain't the only one baby... i should introduce you to the fellas...
Just hope you are ready for the female down votes, because we get a LOT... thats because we say some real shit...
Man, i wish i had your smarts at 19/20 it wasn't till i was 24 before i understood some stuff... hehe. thats awesome.
Now... this article is put bullshit... and I don't mind saying it. However, this article is typical of many I've seen... written by people who are terrified that there are successful MEN who have decide the societal construct built for men by women is not something they want any part of. One atrocious marriage to a cheater (she is dead now) was enough to convince me there is a better way to live. For some men, simply keeping women at arms' length except for the most casual of relationships, and avoiding marriage, children, and all of the othe means of slavery, is their best option. I know it was for me.
You are blamin 3500000000 people for the wrong choices you made. If you married a normal girl you wouldn't have such problems. And there are no successful people in mgtow actually
No successful MGTOW... ah... I make six figures, and I'm one of the lower income MGTOW that I know... yeeeah...
I WAS married to a serial cheater... but no more. I blame no one, but I have lived my life since then making sure the same mistake is not repeated.
@Notorisch_Arschloch : It is easy to have a very successful career when you are not burdened with outside influences to inhibit job or business success.
My final thoughts on this? I am always amazed... and amused... at the level of vitriol just because a certain group of men have decided to forego the "pleasures" and the PAIN of having relationships with women... why would any of you care? And if you don't, why would you comment?
Well, apparently not. According to this vastly knowledgeable child barely out of high school, there are NO successful men like me.
Funnily enough, I make about twice now as before I stopped dating. I've tried a few times again, but none of them have interested me beyond the first date, hell, the first half hour of the first date. Haven't dated in a year, and my personal, professional and financial growth have never been better or at a higher rate of speed.
Funny how that works. But this kid... this kid knows better than us.
@Notorisch_Arschloch the very fact you keep repeating you are "successful" and a "real man" makes me doubt it even more. also no real successful man could ever have their head so far up their ass to join an online group for little bitches
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I just remember these words of wisdom
This is the best meme I've seen ever!
@Bluemax
I view it as basic fundamentals that every man should understand
What does that have to do with MGTOW?
MGTOW is just a bunch of pathetic men whining about how they can't get women.
This is the exact opposite of that
Agreed
this article is stupid. You are taking a dumb ass trend that is barely heard of and calling it BS.
I can't stand idiots like you. You are being a man-feminist.
The reason men are quiting on women is because there are too many that are shallow and impossible to approach and please. And the ones that are NICE are still dumping guys for being loyal and high valued.
So whose side are you on? Im confused. First you call it a dumb ass trend, then you justify their behaviour?
People who don't label themselves that but still do it.
Ok, would you care to explain how is any of the things they are doing good for them?
I think you pretty much missed every point that the "MGTOW" crowd has thrown out... you sound like a jilted chick haha. At its heart, that movement says - "Take responsibility for yourself, get your shit in order, and don't pander to women. Live with your eyes open with regards to marriage and intersexual dynamics." Pretty honest, straight-forward message - and is a natural response when you look at current gender relations. Most of the guys who I know in this lifestyle are highly successful and have real-life experience with many of the extremes of the "women can do no wrong" crowd. So - rather than being a childish reactionary, maybe read / listen a little deeper, bud.
LOL! Great shaming language :-)
But the author forgot to mention that we are all gay, live in our mother's basement, have micro-penises; are fat and sour-smelling and wearing fedoras.
This shit was old-skool many years ago - aintcha' got anything new?
This is not classic shaming, I did use insults however I also pointed out some obvious facts that say you are losers. And many guys here tried to say they are not the type I described - by whining, bitching and doing again many of the things I mentioned. If I ever meet a normal mgtow guy who is not any of the things I described I will admit there are some normal ones. This way you guys keep providing me more and more evidence
I do have already signed up on MGTOW!.. Just for analyzing their stuff!..
Well not 100% of MGTOW Society contains!.. Such looser!.. However yes you are right whining bitch boys find it a decent place to go and hide!..
But then again it's a loop that women want guys to be strong!.. They want a men in life but they want us to be sensitive too!.. Sensitive = bitch boys!..
So it's a funny loop!.. If we man up we turn into MR. Grey From 50 shades of gray and if become sensitive then we turn into bitch boys!..
Sensitivity is one of the things girls say they want in a man, but they really don't. Doesn't mean you should be stone cold Steven Seagall type, but sensitivity doesn't really get guys laid.
You're probably Hillary Clinton's bitch. Like, do you even lift? 🏋️♀️🏋
@Paul34 do you need to reply on every opinion here? chill the fuck out asshole. Im not a Hillary supporter, as I already showed with this take, I don't like bullshit
he needs to feel clever and relevant... yet fails at both.
@JustWorthlessMe exactly
MGTOW:
Denying women and the state their preferred methods of male disposability and cultural misandry the globe over.
WOMEN AND THE STATE:
This is bullsh**! We want our forced wealth and power transfer back!
MGTOW:
As Isoroku Yamamoto once proclaimed in dread hindsight, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant..."
In this case, ladies, that sleeping giant is MGTOW... the powerful wake of which you've undoubtedly been exposed.
Suck it up, buttercup.
--MGTOW
You are delusional my friend. Because mgtow only does women a favor. You don't are not taking men away from them, you are taking little annoying bitches, who women never wanted in the first place. So all you are doing is filtering men for them. Maybe they should thank you
Just think of them all as Jeremiah Johnsons. They can't escape. Women will find ways to get to them too. They follow men EVERYWHERE.
Why can't the sluts and a**holes ride off into the sunset and leave the decent folk alone? Stop creating all these feminists and MGTOWs.
Women won't find a way to them because women never wanted them in the first place! That's why they "gave up". If they were able to find a girl, they would never "give up"
Nerds thought they could escape via the internet/computers. Now it's being overrun by chicks (being facetious). Pioneers thought they could escape women settling the frontier, pioneer women went right along with them. Professionals thought they could escape women in a male dominated work force but women found ways to shoe themselves in. This is all with the help of men. Women chase in their own way. Women are the biggest stalkers/harassers on the planet!! Reality is, most just want to be with men, in any way they can. Stop punishing them for that.
A lot of the complaints voiced by MGTOWs are just as nonsensical as feminists. They're a terrible yin/yang combo. How many women you know can just up and abandon an entire gender? Is like asking a kid to abandon their parents to make it on their own. It can be done, but odds are not in your favor.
Oh man, good points there! I agree
having had the misfortune of encountering a "mgtow" in real life, let's just say that this take is spot-on... my hands are bright red from applauding, and i'm giving you a standing ovation despite the fact that my knees are so fucked up i can't stand properly.
hats off to you, sir; well said! :)
its the same shit with feminsm.
@Jamesol1 oh, i agree~ the shit that passes for "feminism" nowadays is cancer and needs to die.
Yeah MGTOW is like the feminism equivalent... aka screw women/men we don't need them... they are this and this and only want X.
Baby... you are so wrong... if this picture looks like you reallife - I do not want to encounter you!
No chivalry, MGTOW, bi AaA tch!
probably for the best, since i wouldn't want to encounter you either. :)
(as for whether or not the pic looks like me, that's for me to know lol)
You are just full of BS... you and most women call put MGTOWs in a frame... we all have our OWN minds, but come together on important issues, but we differ... we do not have an organization - ALL of us are on their OWN, we do not have ads and government funding like feminism - we are not cult :)
We fix our lives ON OUR OWN, we just don't need lazy ass women to keep us down... because THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE... on average - LAZY ASS BITCHES! :)
Women had to wash by hand, cook and grow food on their own, and didn't complain for centuries, NOW you have the cooker, the washing machine and so on... and became LAZY ASSSSS BI A T C H E Z! :)
Thank Nikola Tesla and Newton, who shunned women like you and helped create all the luxuries you are using now... now how is that, b?
I am trying to trigger you, babe :D
But you indeed are ugly as fuck HAHAHAHHA :D
Sorry... but chivalry is dead, babe
Want to be equal to men, that includes being TREATED like a man... Well, we men talk to each other like that... we like to fight too
OH! Don't forget the DRAFT!!!
WE, MGTOWs do NOT want to die in YOUR honor (or be given the white feather of cowardice, like our grandfathers who had no choice to say NO, when asked to die for women)...
Do not ask us to protect society ANYMORE, because wars are coming, how do you imagine 20th centurey: 2 World Wars, Korea, Iran, Afganistan, Vietnam, Chechnia, Kosovo, Caucasian wars are not ending, Wars in the middle ease, Somalia, India and Pakistan, Lebanon, ISRAEL, PALESTINE, Armenian genocyde and other cruelties by the Ottoman Empire... and so on - wars are not ending.
21 century - Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan and Iran again, SYria, Libya, Ukraine... WARS WARS WARS...
The West will be in a war SOON, be sure that in OUR life-time there will be major wars, that will not affect only some miserable countries far far away... THE WEST will be at war, be assured...
By then, half of the male population will be MGTOW, I assure you that... and DON'T DARE to ask us to go to war... We are going away... you go to war now!
The DRAFT will FINALLY make us EQUAL!!!
So you WILL have to protect yourself, grab the 30kg pack and move! :)
Reality is a bitch, I know...
So keep calling us shit names, go on...
You blocked me, right... or it was TOO painful to hear the TRUTH :D
How did women imagined that... call us pigs and dirty animals that can't control themselves when the see the PRECIOUS PUSSY - THAT LITTLE HAIRY SMELLY WHOLE of yours... men were and portrayed as inferior to women for decades now... but it is actually the opposite.
We will not fulfill our gender roles...
Keep in mind the draft, we MGTOWs are not involved, because we are busy growing our business and future on OUR OWN, but the MRAs are working REAL HARD to get the DRAFT for women too ALL OVER THE WEST - USA, Canada, Europe... and we are more than happy!
Either the draft will be abolished for EVERYONE - or IT will include all women aged 18-44.
I am written in the draft, and my country may explode in a war REAL SOON - muslim refugees are coming by the THOUSANDS each WEEK through my country... war will explode...
I won't risk my life for princess entitled bitches, be assured :)
Hahahahahaha, this is SOOOO cool... you are a COWARD? MAN-UP!!!
Women were enslaved by the patriarchy? :D XAXAXA
In fact it is AGAIN the opposite - MEN were enslaved MUCH MORE by it - the moment you are born a BOY - Your life is on the line AND you were marked as disposable...
I know you can't stand my aggressiveness, but MAN-UP - you want to be equal to men - MAN-UP!!!
This is how we talk - get my points REAL good, KEEP calling us "loooosers", even tough we are stronger in every aspect than you "real white knite gentlemen" men...
I think that all manginas, white knights and all modern women should go to war from now on - we MGTOWs want nothing to do with the new system - we are going away, not bothering anyone.
You like your society - you die in the mud, starving for 2 weeks. Cuz that is men did for centuries.
Have fun... ooo I like FEMINISM, It freed MEN !!! AHHAHAHAHAHA :D
... no woman or mangina wants to counter my points... its simple... YOU CANNOT!
And it is so funny... oh... it is hilarious...
The most funny thing is that MANY women pretend that they do not like the 3rd wave feminism - it was "cancer"...
BUT EVEN the SECOND WAVE feminism - the VOTING feminism is such a bullshit :D
Women wanted to be EQUAL - they wanted TO VOTE... but didn't want the draft... why so? HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAH
Because women want things for free, as always... is it hard to hear the truth women?
And ANSWER MY DAMN POINTS, OKAY!!! ... I am sure many of you little bitches won't bother to even read my writings, but many of you who will, will just ignore me, or write a man-shaming comment how I am a "coward" or a "loser"... I know that... COUNTER MY points, CUNTS!
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I cannot believe that... it is really unbelievable.
HERE we have an article that is SHAMING MGTOW... that is SHAMING a group of people, who want to live their lives - we are not serial killers or rapists... leave us alone in our looser pits of shit in the corners of the internet, as you like to say.
Here I am - a STRONG 6'4'' BIG MAN like bear - a MGTOW - writing what MGTOW is and why we are MGTOW...
I had the perception that most of the people here hated MGTOW... all women's comments agreed with the author.
I am MGTOW - I can say what we truly are... why everyone is so scared... huh?
Because I have some points?
Keep hating us... even tough we do not care for you... and WILL NOT care when we are DEMANDED by society TO CARE!
We are growing by the millions, you will hear - and we HAVE the right to live HOW we want, we HAVE the right to not be written in the DRAFT, we have the right to be masters of our OWN lives!
MGTOWS are REAL MEN, keep living in your illusions, feel good!
go take a nap, little boy. :)
I have to work now, baby...
I am running a business for 6 years now, girl :)
I saw you are a student... at 29 :D XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
Go take a nap, girl, literally...
I have my own house, and can take a nap in 5 bedrooms of my own, do you?
So YET AGAIN I am right, when I said previously that women nowadays are with the mindset of children throughout their whole adult life HAHAHHA, I win again, feminist scum bitches :)
oh, so you can read; congratulations.
feel free to keep wasting your breath; you amuse me. :)
YES, PUPPET! DANCE FOR MY AMUSEMENT!
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you're not worth the 2 seconds of effort it would take me to block you.
besides, i'm just waiting for you to have a stroke. u mad.
:D ahahahhahahahah
i feel amazing too! all this attention from a man who's not my husband is making me smile. :)
@Papirus Pounding a woman with a small dick is like trying to break stone with a wooden spoon.
@Jamesol1 you just won the internet.
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Told you!
@Jamesol1 Does it hurt? Seems like you have GREAT experience in this kind of exercise...
@Papirus oh, well that explains a lot.
(deep-seated closet issues) #anal
Don't be shy, don't be shy, you old hag! :D
nah, that's all right. you can keep your std collection to yourself.
bored now; have a nice day, cupcake. :)
@Papirus It is basic logic. :)
I AM BACK AGAIN... BITCHEZ!!!
@Papirus Hey babe, I am back after being censored... you can still call me!
FYI, the guy's opinions are VERY reminiscent of PUA kind of people. Don't give him fuel. Those guys are probably worse than MGTOWs. Who, I will admit, include some horrible people.
Ironically, you claim that MGTOW men are "whiney little bitches", yet the MGTOW movement is centered around fighting anti-masculinity from society and encouraging manliness. You have no idea what you're talking about and your whole take is completely subjective and irrelevant.
Agreed, the emasculated male that posted this biased take conventiently ignores MGTOW's actual purpose, goals, and successes. He instead whines like a little bitch while hypocritically asserting that he hates whiney men and pushes the same childish feminazi narrative that MGTOW men "can't get girls".
And hilariously, the commenters praising this take are misandryist feminazis and other emasculated males.
Just noticed we have the same number in our name, I chose this because Captain Price was Prisoner 627 lol...
First of all, "encouraging manliness"? Find me just ONE guy who is mgtow and manly. Just ONE in the whole world. You can't. Because that guy doesn't exist. Case closed on that bullshit. Second, and more important - look at how old this take is. Look through the comments and chances are you will find the answer to whatever bullshit your retarded little mgtow mind can come up with. I had plenty of whiny mgtow bitches try to attack me here and not one of them had any actual case, or evidence. So yeah, you have all the answers down there. I have better things to do than to write the same things again and again
@TheInvisibleMan Hilarious, another feminine-emotionally-charged response from a boy that hypocritically accuses other men of being "whiny bitches". Cry harder.
And your request for one example cannot be objectively defined, making it invalid and non-argumentative. However, one example can be "Hybrid", a MGTOW youtuber.
Maybe its because I don't have the time or the nerves to do a detailed research on this asshole, but based on what I just checked out, he is not manly, just a random mgtow bitch. So bad example. Also, what you fail to realize is that you or anybody in the world can't find an actual manly guy who is mgtow because those two things are contradictory. Nobody who has ANY manly traits can be mgtow. You are either a man or you are a bitch (mgtow). Its like asking you to find a bald guy with long hair. It just cannot happen.
How is he not "manly"? He's physically built, has a somewhat deep voice with no feminine lisp, has no filter (unnecessarily curses a lot), etc. In fact, you very likely can't name ONE feminine feature about him.
Like I mentioned earlier, this question is invalid and non-argumentative considering the fact that it can't be objectively defined (what you don't find manly may in fact be manly, it's mere opinion).
You lost, boy, now go back to your feminine
-feminine forums and whine harder, little "man". Hold your L proudly ;)
1. I'm not in MGTOW.
2. MGTOW's main belief is about weighing out the cost-benefit of a relationship with women and realizing that it's not worth it, how does that make someone "think like a bitch"?
3. You've never presented a legitimate argument, just your subjective opinion on what's 'manly' and a multitude buttburt insults. You've even raised the goalposts after I successfully fulfilled your request of "finding one manly MGTOW man".
4. You lost.
1. Then why the fuck do you even try to defend it?
2. Giving up on women is retarded, since sex is a basic human need. Its like giving up on all food because its expensive
3. I actually have, I explained every detail in the take, if you don't have the mental capacity to understand it, thats your problem. And I didn't raise anything, you said that being manly meand wide shoulders and a deep voice. That is complete nonsense, has nothing to do with being manly
4. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true
TheInvisibleMan You are 21 and you may think you know what it takes to be a man, but you don't. You have no life experience, you're just constantly whining. Sex is NOT a basic human instinct, you petulant little shit. One facet of manliness is competition, and I will guarantee that I could beat the shit out of you without breaking a sweat.
Your feminine traits do not make you manly, they make you FEMININE. How dumb are you? If you think taking dick up the ass is manly, fine. I don't want to be YOUR definition of man. I am a man, and I don't give a shit what you think because you're a bitch.
@Soul_Mountain Well said. We shouldn't waste our time talking to morons who act tough on the internet. They are whiny little beta's that need therapy. Bet he deleted his G@G account after your reply lol.
I'm still not very clear on what this MGTOW thing is. All along, people are working towards their own goals, having self-ownership. And I get the frustrations of being confined to society's norms. But these are all nothing new, they've been there since the beginning of time. I just don't get the idea that being associated with a group like this can empower anyone.
I mean if the guy doesn't want to marry or have a girlfriend, he is free to do so. It's his choice, what has it got to do with MGTOW.
I can really imagine some guy with a neck beard writing this just to get all the pussy appreciation, why should you care if some cunt doesn't want to bother with the opposite sex? Why should you care if they are proud of being single? Are you saying that they need to have a spouse/girlfriend to be 'fulfilled' in life? Of course some guys in this group go MGTOW because they have terrible luck with girls, but that's unfortunate, they accept they are not compatible with girls and decide to just embrace it. I really don't see a problem with it. Some MGTOWs are also guys who have been fucked over by their wives through divorce, which is completely understandable why they'd adopt these attitudes.
Why should they be ashamed they they have issues? Why should they not adopt this attitude for having really bad experiences with women, do you call all women who got raped and are now scared of men "pussies and they should be ashamed"? No, you wouldn't because that's fucked up.
Not MGTOW by the way, just sympathize with them because I've met a few and one is a very close friend who I went school with.
Giving up is not the answer. I am against it because its degenerate behavior. Imagine if a baby learning to walk fell down and decided walking was too hard. Is that the answer? To be fucked up your whole life because of some bad experiences. There are MUCH worse things in life than some girl rejecting you. And ok, they are losers, I wouldn't had a problem with them if they were self aware. But no, they are all over this site, bragging how they are retarded and calling every normal guy stupid because he is not a member if their bitchy group. If you are a retard already, then you should act like "Im a retard so Im gonna crawl back to my shithole and shut up", instead, they go on and brag - everywhere! Of course I was pissed off and I wrote this take where I pointed out some obvious things, and explaining exactly that - you are stupid, si shut the fuck up. That was the point. (I don't mean you as in YOU, I am talking about them)
A baby learning to walk is different, that was a problem it made for itself by falling and then deciding not to walk, also babies are not capable of logical thinking to the same level as an full grown adult, so it would not think "oh, let's stop that". I know, these guys should not brag about being MGTOW or go round insulting people for not being one as then forcing someone to go MGTOW is not really them going their own way. But we shouldn't insult them for giving in and giving up. I personally haven't talked to a woman other than my mother, her friends (and some other relatives) for like 5/6 months. Am I a degenerate?
Not yet, since its ok to take a break. But if you kept doing that for the rest of your life then you would be.