Why don't guys want to get married and have kids or even be in serious relationships anymore 😡😢😩?

[Anonymous]

It seems like guys just want to have sex with girls and don't want a relationship and don't ever want to settle down and get married and have kids. Why not? Why do they only want sex? It's kind of upsetting because that's all I want and it's really hard to find a guy that wants that too.

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+1 y

It seems like it's changed a lot since when my parents or grandparents were in their 20s. Like, guys wanted to find a woman to marry and settle down with.

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+1 y

Thanks for the answers so far

[hellionthesage]

Well that's because of women. When a woman divorces her husband (which is 70% of the time) he loses his hard earned money, he loses his house and he loses his rights to his children. On the rare occasion that he does the divorcing (60% of male initiated divorces are due to their wives infidelity) he loses his hard earned money he loses his house he loses his rights to his children. Even if she has cheated on him he loses everything and she gains it that makes marriage very very detrimental to a man its like having a knife to your throat for the rest of your life its simply not worth it. Then the fact that women are now rather promiscuis, that does not make a man want to commit. The more partners a woman has had the more likely she is to cheat, the more likely she is to divorce and the more likely she is to be dissatisfied with the relationship. Then you have the fact that women tend to sleep around in their 20s (not all obviously) then when they get older they want to "settle down" and its usually a guy they would have blown off in their younger years so basicly they are using him because he has money and a stable job and income. That does not endear them to men. Then you have the fact that our society treats men like shit. Women treat men like shit (fun fact women are actually far more likely to abuse their spouse and children then men are something that is not acknowledged in society yet is backed by statistical evidence from multiple sources). Again this is not all women but its enough of them to make men weary, for instance how often do you hear about how women don't exist to make their husbands/boyfriends happy, its not their job they don't live for them etc? Pretty frequent about as frequent as you hear women stating how a man should always pay for the first date and how a real man does x, y, z etc.. Again this does not endear women to men. So he exists to please her and she does not have to reciprocate anything, he is constantly told by society that he is evil (abuser rapist etc) and that everything he does is going to be sexist (if he pays for the first date he is a sexist pig, if he doesn't pay he is cheap asshole) then if he gets into a relationship she might not even care about him and if she decides to divorce him (as many women choose to do, hence the statistics) he loses everything, EVERYTHING. Or he can just go have easy sex with a woman he met once in a bar and not pay anything, not play games not take any risks. Which would you choose?

[hellionthesage]

The fact is men do want a relationship and they do want a family, that's why so many men are so angry and disgruntled about the whole thing, they want it but they know how bad things are going to go if they go after it so they just give up. I know its not a popular opinion, most women will state that its sexist or how I hate women for stating it (which kind of proves my point more then anything) but I think women need to start acknowledging their part in all of this, that they are not passive players and men just suddenly became assholes and stopped wanting what they have always wanted before, its that women stopped caring about men, stopped showing affection, stopped wanting them and started using them that's what caused all of this and thus realizing that will resolve all of this.

[Rocket_Queen]

Why are you so set on HIS house, HIS kids, HIS everything? If they were married it is THEIRS.

[cth96190]

@Rocket_Queen
That depends upon who paid for the property.

[Rocket_Queen]

@cth96190 only if you still believe in his/hers. Unless he just handed over cash for the house when it was purchased then THEY have been making payments, THEY have been paying the bills, THEY have been paying for repairs and so on. If they built and shared a life together then its theirs. That's debatable if as I said he bought it and it was all paid for before she arrived, or if they have been married for a short while.

[cth96190]

@Rocket_Queen
If the assets were paid for jointly, then I agree with you.
I have seen too many cases of the Family Court, here in Australia, taking something that the man had before he met or married the woman and handing it to her, along with custody of the children and child-support order, regardless of her fitness (or otherwise) to be a parent.
The stories that I could tell about relatives, colleagues and friends who have been destroyed by the Family Court and its enormous and blatant anti-male bias.

[Rocket_Queen]

@cth96190 well that is also something we can agree on. Too many people use their children like pawns instead of putting their differences aside and doing what is best for the children. Or they want to railroad the other out of anger instead of agreeing that they were just two adults who couldn't work it out. It makes people greedy and selfish.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen Why are you so set in ignoring the fact that he loses absolutely everything regardless of whether or not he is a decent person regardless of him being the victim? I think you missed the point of this, the fact is I stated his money because its literally him who has to pay her not the other way around after a divorce, if he is the primary bread winner and he will more then likely be he has put in more money into the home then she is and while its "their" home its only "their" home so long as she decides it no matter how much he put into it whether it was 50/50 or entirely paid for by him she decides whether he gets to live their and on her whim she can take it from him, same with his children. I find it funny that you try and twist it into it being about her when in fact he is the only one who loses in that situation. The fact is society does not see it as theirs they see it as hers no matter how much he put into it.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen The fact is he has as much claim to it as she does and in many cases more of a claim to the home, she has no claim to his money, and they have equal claim to the children yet he has no choice but to pay her money after the divorce even if she was a horrible person, even if she cheated on him he is still expected to take his money and give it to her thanks to alimony/childsupport (often times conflated) which will be at least for 18 years and in many places he will pay alimony for the rest of his life again even if she is the cause of the divorce even if she cheated on him. You cannot argue that its his money, it very much is. Again as for the house males are still the majority bread winner and in many cases are the sole bread winner meaning he is paying for the house not her, because of gender roles he is expected to take care of the house maintenance or at least pay for it so he is maintaining it so it is at least 50/50 and in most cases more so his then hers

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen yet she will always get the house not him so under the law and the system we have it will always be hers no matter what he does no matter how much he put into it. And again the children are as much his as hers but under current law men rarely get custody of their children almost never full custody and barely equal custody, they usually get to see their child, if their lucky, once every two weeks. So again she gets full custody despite the fact that she does not have full claim to them. So even if we take into account your argument, pretend that responsibility does not routinely fall almost entirely on the man (it does) we still have the issue that he loses everything and she loses nothing even when she is solely responsible for the dissolution of the marriage. So why make the argument to begin with because the end result is exactly the same?(this is also why male suicide doubles after divorce).

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen Also you keep ignoring womens role in all of this, even when @cth96190 stated the system is biased in favor of women you agreed that people, not women who are the ones actually doing all of this, but people use their children like pawns. Why say that? We know the problem, we can prove it statisticly and anecdotally that its predominantly women so why do you and society at large refuse to just say that? No one has a problem blaming men for their behavior yet when we criticize womens behavior suddenly that's taboo and not allowed? Why?

[Rocket_Queen]

So wow that was a lot. Um again you are driving home the point that it is his... no. I'm sorry but no. Even if he is the primary bread winner, they built that life together. She put just as much effort into the home and life as he did. And I think you missed the point... I'm not saying it's hers. It's theirs. If anything the home should be sold and the profit split. I'm also not saying in any of this that the system isn't leaning towards women when it comes to children. It very much is and I have not onced denied that. But for also... for every tale of an evil woman their is an equal tale of an evil man. I lived that tale and eventually told the dude (because he was horrible) to keep every penny that he ever makes as long as he stays away from my daughter and I. The point is... it takes two decent people choosing NOT to railroad the other. So the judge says you only get to see your kids every other weekend? Well who cares. Call her up and say "hey, there is this baseball game...

[Rocket_Queen]

... and I want to take the kids Thurs night. Is that cool?". A decent woman replies "sure, have fun! Be safe". Do you understand? Unfortunately thats not the world we live in because people are too busy pointinf fingers saying shes/hes the bad guy and being again, greedy and selfish. Decent people do it fine without draining the other. My sister and brother in law have this crazy funny relationship with his ex wife and their 3 kids. They all coparent and have dinners together and help the other out and why? They are decent human beings. My husband and I have unfortunately been in the position of discussing possible divorce before. I can't afford the house we live in now so there would be no point in me kicking him out. Aa for parenting, one of the times I was pregnant. The conversation we had was "hey, when he is born you're still his dad, I want you in the room." And on into how can we coparent together. What is best for our kids? We didn't want the other talking crap about...

[Rocket_Queen]

... about the other in front of our kids. Fortunately we survived that period of our marriage so it didn't come to that. But it takes DECENT people male and female alike. That's the point. Why is it all so flawed? Because there is a huge lack of decent people and to much greed and selfishness involved from males and females.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen No the point I have driven home is that it doesn't matter. Your argument is a straw man argument. Okay his money is his money its not their money, he worked for it he spent the hours at work, he spent the time moving up the ranks gaining the skills etc its his money period their is no arguing that YET she gets to take it from him. I stated that at bare minimum its 50/50 on the house your argument is irrelevant because we are not arguing that it should be split what is stated is that every single time she gets it that's the problem you are ignoring, you say its theirs but that's not how it plays out and by trying to argue that point you are ignoring the main one that she gets it as if it is hers and hers alone. The same goes with their children they are his kids they are also her kids but that is not how its treated. They treat it as if the children are only hers. Again you miss the point. You are arguing something that is irrelevant and has no bearing on the outcome.

[Rocket_Queen]

Lol okay genius👍.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen Again you state that it is balanced and that some how women are just as affected this is not the case. It is not evenly distributed. If women file for divorce over 70% of the time the most common reason being irreconcilable differences while men account for less then 30% and 60% of those are due to their wives infidelity then we can state that women are pushing for divorce more then men. When statistics show that women are more likely to abuse their husbands and children then men are (70% of all non-reciprocal domestic violence is commited by women) and that women are significantly more likely to be emotionally abusive then men we can state with certainty that this is very much an issue driven by women. When 80% of all child support and alimony is paid for by men we can state with absolute certainty that this is a bias system, when fathers don't get to see their children then we can state its women who are using their children to hurt men not the other way around because

[Rocket_Queen]

Dude I'm no longer even reading this. Your entire tone is so condescending that it's clear you belong to the all man woman haters club, and good for you. Preach! 👍

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen as statistics show men do not even have the chance to do so. So we can state with absolute certainty that this is predominantly a female driven event, she is the one more likely to do wrong and benefit from it. Their is no arguing this we know this from empirical evidence. So why you wish to paint it as if both men and women are guilty of this when the ones who are perpetrating this are clearly women, because our bias system wouldn't even allow a man a chance to do these things, boggles my mind. Can men be assholes and indecent people? Yes that is something women men and society have no problem acknowledging, when society points out that men are more likely to be violent (completely ignoring the fact that this violence is directed at other men) we have no problem stating that yes this is the case so why is it that when a system is completely bias towards women where men have no chance to exploit it does society refuse to acknowledge that women can also be terrible people?

[Rocket_Queen]

Can I mute this? 🤔

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen Specificly why can't we just acknowledge that this is almost entirely perpetrated by women as statistics show and as common sense shows (since a man couldn't use his children as pawns to hurt a woman because she is the default parent, she nearly always gets equal or better custody (over 90% of the time) while he almost never gets equal or better custody (about 40% of the time))? I am not saying all women are evil, I am not saying all women do this what I am saying is that the vast majority of people who do this kind of thing are women and that's just something that we as a society need to accept, women are not perfect or innocent they are human and just as men have their domains where they tend to be less then perfect so to do women. Again you have ignored my statements and tried to make a straw man argument, this isn't about whats "theirs" its about how he loses everything and she only gains.

[Rocket_Queen]

Oh my goodness lol. Listen brother... this is too much for 5am. All I WAS saying is this: men can be evil, women can be evil. It not a his or hers issue. Is the system leaning towards women? Absolutely. You know the solution? Two decent human beings in a broken system or not because at the end of the day it all still falls to two people and a choice: be a dick and make this a disaster or be decent and lets be honest. Problem solved. Be decent.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen Again that is a strawman arugment, I never once stated that people shouldn't be decent what I stated is that in a system that caters to women almost exclusively (as the statistics show) its almost certainly going to be abused and the ones doing the abusing are the women since they are the only ones who can get away with it so telling men to just be decent is not going to fix the problem because the problem is women are the ones exploiting this system for their own gain. Besides which the asker asked why would men be against relationships and marriage and I was merely pointing out the very real reason why they would be.

[Rocket_Queen]

Did you see that I'm no longer even reading? You're so condescending that I'm done. Just stop it. If I could mute these notification I would. 😣

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen Condesending? Seriously? No at no point did I act in a way that implied that I thought I was superior what I did was make a point you then argued a completely different and unrelated point I tried to explain that to you but of course the moment some one criticizes the behavior of women some one has to swoop in and attack you and try and pretend that an unequal situation is equal. What I stated was provable I am not interested in superiority or putting people down I am interested in facts and educating people. The fact is you didn't like what I had to say but you couldn't argue against it so you argued around it and now you are attacking me because I didn't just accept your statements, I called them out. If you don't want to read what I write don't comment then I don't have a reason to respond, until then I will continue to respond because quite frankly I am an idiot who thinks he can reason with people who don't give a fuck, its a character flaw.

[Rocket_Queen]

Attacking you yes. I'm pretty fierce that way. Lol take care man.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen You didn't just insult me and accuse me of being condescending? Strange because the post says that I wonder why? As stated you made a straw man argument that was unrelated to my statements I was pointing that out. I don't understand why this is an issue.

[Rocket_Queen]

If you feel insulted, my apologies. Seriously wasn't my intentions. I also wasn't trying to attack you, just offer the flip side to the coin. You see my thoughts as pointless, strawman, blah blah. It's cool. My feelings aren't hurt, world goes round for us both. Again my apologies that you feel insulted and under attack. Take care.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen I don't see it as a straw man argument, it is a straw man argument I stated the system is bias towards women and thus its women who are exploiting this system to the disadvantage of men (provably so) your argument was that those things are theirs no just the mans which is irrelevant to the statement, your argument was that both men and women, despite the fact that its women exploiting the system should be decent people which of course again its predominantly done by women so men have nothing to do with that and two even then it doesn't alter the fact that my original statement was about why men are weary and relectunt to marry. So both arguments do not address my actual statement thus making it a straw man argument by definition. Its not my feeligns its fact.

[Rocket_Queen]

You are really bent about this lol. Okay... you win... I'm out... signed -the very evil woman😈

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen What the hell is wrong with you? I never said women where evil I never said all women do this I said the majority of the people who do this are women just like the majority of violent crimes are commited by men both statements are provable and neither statements suggests its all women why the hell can't some one state something that is less then flattering about women? Why can we criticize men but not women? Why? I have been more then reasonable right now all you want is to try and ignore what facts state that's why this is irritating we know for a fact that the majority of the time its women because legally only women can get away with it only women can do this so we know its only women doing this because no one would ever let a man get away with something like this, unless your trying to tell me women don't get paid alimony more then men? Unless your saying that women don't get custody more then men both provably false?

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen This has nothing to do with you so why are you acting as if this is a direct attack against you? Why? It makes no sense.

[Rocket_Queen]

Dude you are way to highstrung. This entire thing I wish I never commented on because I thought a 32 yr old and a 29 yr old could be adults... clearly that isn't happening. Honestly I did not even read all of your original comment. All I read was to where you kept saying his money, his home, hos everything. The ONlY point... ONLY POINT I was disputing is everything being his. That is all. I never once have said that men don't get the shaft from court or divorce or anything else. The other commenter gor what I was saying right away, we had a quick couple comments and it was fine. You're the one who turned it into thia big thing so I commented back trying to address the additional comments you added. You called it a strawmam argument AFTER you brought it up, because as previously stated ALL I was disputing was his his his in your original comment that I did not even read completely. You then seemed to become condescending in your responses, I said that and decided I was done (cont.)

[Rocket_Queen]

... however you then stated that I had insulted you and that you weren't condescending. I then apologized for "insulting" you and you have continued to respond aggressively in my opinion, so I got a little sarcastic because this whole thing is rarher ridiculous. I don't care that your opiniom differs from mine, that's what makes the world so beautiful. Stand by what you believe and stand firm, many people don't. This has obviously offended you a lot and it was never my intention to do that. I was disputing one tiny little thing in your comment. We can agree to disagree. It's alright.

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen What? No this is absurd now, I made a statement you argued it I argued back you got angry I tried to explain you repeated something that was irrelevant now your upset? What I stated was not that everything belonged to him, I stated his because his money is his that cannot be argued, the house is as much his as is hers but in most cases he puts in more then she does making it more his then hers (if not entirely his) his children are as much his as hers ergo he loses his money his house his kids to her whats so hard to understand about that? I stated it before you keep arguing some point that was quite honestly irrelevant. How would you have liked me to phrase it? He loses his money he loses their house and he loses their kids? IS that how you wanted it phrased? Your arguing symantics and its a waste of both of our time. You knew exactly what was being said so why argue it? Then I pointed out my statement and you continued to act as if everything was equal and balanced

[hellionthesage]

@Rocket_Queen as if it affected both men and women equally which it does not. That's the problem that's what I take issue with then you decised to take it personally, as if calling out how women have exploited this system meant all women where guilty which I pointed out was not the case then you continued to act as if it was a personal attack hence me pointing that out. As for your statement about differing opinions that is irrelevant I never said you couldn't have a different opinion, I was stating a fact, pointing out that their is statistical evidence to support it which you continued to ignore. I don't know why you need women to not be held accountable when they abuse the system and at this point I have ceased to care, this is what happens, its not an opinion, its not how I feel, this is what statistical evidence shows is happening period. Why you where so dead set on trying to start an argument and twist things is beyond me.

[Rocket_Queen]

Okay. 👌

[gmanhotman]

maybe they do you just don't see them? honestly other then guys you or a friend goes out with how many do you ask about their family plans? you are still pretty young like myself so either they had a teenage baby or maybe like an early fam or then they will wait until later more like 30s. I know for me being able to provide and doing some traveling before being locked down is a BIG deal. or I heard someone say people who don't want kids or ext relize how big a comitment it is.

[Paris13]

Many of the Toms Today, are More into Playing the Field. They may Follow what Other Tom, Dick and Harry's are Doing, or have it in Their own Mind... Not at thisTime.
Divorce is More Prevalent Today than it was Yesterday, and in Doing their own Homework, may too have Had the Experience First hand in their own Family, they don't want to jump Feet First into anything that will get them Hooked at the hip for a Lifetime.
With Today's pretty Girls, there are so Many More to Pick that They Might Feel it is a better Deal.. To have the Cream of the Hot Crop.
Good luck and Great question. xx

[Mydnite]

It's not just guys. Plenty of women like that too, right, @PrettyKitty31 ? Not everyone is a traditionalist like you are, Some people like to create their own path in life instead of doing shit like they are told to do and has been done for a million generations before them.

Respect people's choices, even if they are different than your own.

And go on eHarmony or some bullshit and find your prince charming that will give you your marriage and kids and a white picket fence where you can live the rest of your traditional life.

[Asker]

I'm sure there are some women who want to sleep around and not settle down and that's fine. But all the girls I know are looking for a decent guy who will be with them. I'm not traditional - I don't want to be a housewife. I just want a guy who I can be with so that we can love, support and take care of each other. What's wrong with wanting a monogamous relationship?

[PrettyKitty31]

Damn right!

[Anonymous]

Things are differet now than they were when your parent and especially your grandparents were younger.
Things have changed now women are able to support themselves and guys like that they don't have to take care of them. The chances of you finding someone to marry at your age is pretty slim. Figure out your career. Live your life. Screw around. You'll find a guy later when youve both got life by the balls. Stop being in such a rush to get a ring.

[Anonymous]

That's some guys maybe you're attracting the bullshiters and mistaken for men. Men know what they want. At the same time you shouldn't expect every guy to want what you want. Most guys do want that it could be how you said it. Like if you say that on the first date their going to tell you something different.

[Anpu23]

The risk for many guys is not worth the gain. Many guys feel that to risk marriage is to literally risk their lives. The way divorce laws, and child custody laws are the risk is astronomical, and most guys aren't willing to stick their neck that far out over something like that. The truth is that most guys can get sex if they really want it, and for many guys that's enough.

[JohnDoe3000]

A) you're very young and so are the guys around you, of course they're not going to be thinking about kids when they're 20...

B) you're most likely going after a specific type of popular guy, who is the least likely to commit.

It's a bit like a guy complaining there are no women who've ever seen the inside of a book when he's only going after 20-year old party girl cheerleaders.

[PrettyKitty31]

Smart man and right all the way.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

actually some people just have bad luck

[cth96190]

See this video about what has been called the Sexodus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPFnvniA7w

[Asker]

Well that was sad.

[cth96190]

Lobbying by Feminists and social justice warriors has made women too dangerous, too toxic, for any sensible man to want any form of interaction with them.
Ask a woman on a date = risk a sexual harassment complaint.
Take a woman on a date = risk a false rape complaint.
Have consensual sex with a woman = risk a false rape complaint.
Marry, or cohabit with, a woman = 50 per cent risk (the current divorce rate) that she will leave after the qualifying period (two years, where I live) and a divorce court will give her all the man's property, then impose spousal and child support orders that will turn the man into her impoverished slave for the rest of his life.
Forming a relationship could be compared with playing Russian roulette with a revolver that had only two chambers. If the man loses the gamble, he loses everything and will live in poverty for the rest of his life.
All that. . . and some women wonder why the good men are walking away and all that is left are the scumbags.

[cth96190]

See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpFyDzzZGk
and:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaHCwTq4dqg
and:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZOENdSCMA
and:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLz3Kfu_H6k
and:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE8sPzZsWnk
All this and much, much more. . . and women wonder why good and sane men stay away from them.

[NajemEddine]

because women are not worth it
they a well educated man with lots of money and a good job car...
while she is without a job or good work
the wedding most of its money comes from the man
so this fucking bitch wear some high heels
and say we dont need man
moreover they say that giving birth is a great thing and a blessing
well fuck u and your blessing

[Sasha07]

Go back to fucking goats.

[NajemEddine]

@Sasha07 actually i dont do that :p
go back to your kitchen woman

[Sasha07]

You don't even have a kitchen. I bet you live outdoors with your lovers.

[NajemEddine]

@Sasha07 no dear i think you are crazy but its natural for a "woman" like u
panama you are from panama hhhhhhh hhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Sasha07]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-NshzYK9y0

[NajemEddine]

@Sasha07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOFrEbYtdk :p :p

[mutedaisy]

You have to be someone he'll never meet again in his life for him to want to be with you for his entire life. If you aren't that, you'll really just be another body.

[John_Doesnt]

Because women still want men to pay for everything. A wedding is wall to wall traditions that are all about the bride, but we have to pay for it. Yet you still complain about equal rights and equal pay.

[Anonymous]

because all the laws work in the favor of women so the risk of getting married and getting fucked over by her outweighs the benefit of it all

[Phoenix98]

Actually that's the only reason why I get into relationships all to hopefully and eventually get married and have a family.

[Kaylyne]

It's because for whatever reason, some guys find it extremely difficult to commit.

[dontknow12]

-52% divorce rate
-75% initiated by women
-men getting screwed over in the court room

That's why a lot of guys are very afraid to commit.

[Kaylyne]

@dontknow12 Really? Thank you so much for the BS.

[dontknow12]

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.

[Kaylyne]

@dontknow12 No, am being deadly serious.

[dontknow12]

Oh. Yeah no prob. Trust me when it comes to marriage many guys think about that stuff and it's scary. Especially the last one.

[cth96190]

@Kaylyne if you are interested in the truth, a few minutes with a search engine will show you that the figures offered by @dontknow12 are correct.
Men are walking away from women in increasing numbers because lobbying by Feminists and social justice warriors has resulted in a legal situation that makes women too

[cth96190]

part 2
toxic, too legally dangerous, for any interaction to be an acceptable risk.

[Kaylyne]

@cth96190 So, are you seriously trying to tell me that you believe absolutely everything you read on the various search engines?
I remember quite some time ago, a complete and utter idiot actually believed that Elvis Presley was very much alive and well, and was found driving a red London double decker bus on the moon!
And all because he read it on one of the search engines.

[dontknow12]

@cth96190 Exactly. Every single man who gets married is putting all his trust into a woman who won't turn out to be a gold digger. I've read so many stories from guys in your age group and a bit younger about marriage and divorce and it wasn't a pretty thing to read.

[cth96190]

@Kaylyne I had in mind sites that published official statistics.

[Kaylyne]

@cth96190 And quite often those sites have been proven to give false and extremely misleading facts/figures/statistics etc.
But please, you really must carry on believing what you will, the same as I will.

[cth96190]

@Kaylyne the published statistics for divorce, who initiates divorce, property settlements and child custody are a matter of public record.
The mindset demonstrated in your posts suggests to me that you want to lock yourself inside a Feminist/libtard echo chamber.

[anonman32]

because I've seen many people being fucked over by divorce but i still want kids and a serious relationship.

[cth96190]

You have seen how the gynocentric legal system destroys men and how vengeful harpies make full use of it. . . yet you still seek interaction with women.
Sounds like a death wish, to me.

[anonman32]

@cth96190 we must do something with our lives for fun man.

[cth96190]

Fun?
Take up martial arts, or even skydiving. Skydiving is safer than marriage.

[anonman32]

@cth96190 i like women man, some of them at least.

[cth96190]

No offence intended, but when you are a bit older the larger of your two heads will take over the thinking. :-)
I think that the change in outlook is due to a combination of declining hormone levels after 30 and more life experience, which usually involves being fucked over by at least one woman.
The change in thinking usually happens by age 35, which is one of the reasons why women on the wrong side of 30 piss and moan about 'where did all the good men go?'
They answer is that the men went away, as far away as possible from the women who ask that question.

[anonman32]

@cth96190 i just like their companionship man. its not women but the law that screws us over. they use divorce as a redistribution of wealth from men to women. the house has to be sold and the man has to potentially support the womans life style for some reason so there is a a (re) distribution of wealth and assets as well which may need to be sold. + lawyers and judges need to be paid, they make a living of divorce and destroyed lives. i dont think with my cock man but with my brain. and besides, prostitution seems like a more profitable distribution of a mans wealth than marriage is in my opinion. but that does not mean that i dont have to avoid women at all costs.

[Anonymous]

Because most of the women my age around here are single moms who have slept with multiple men. I want a serious relationship with a woman, but not a woman like that.

[Dred1614returns]

I want to.
Wait for the MGTOW hate comments on this question.

[cth96190]

We were here before you posted your comment. :-)

[Dred1614returns]

@cth96190 doesn't surprise me.

[dudeman]

have you met modern women. they talk back. they dont cook or clean. they sleep around. no thanks.

[akadatank44]

Not all guys are like that. And yes of course things have changed 😂

[Anonymous]

1 I think you keep going out with the same type of guys that just want sex and now you're generalizing. 2 when you're young, no one wants to get married so quickly, they're still focusing on school and want to party and be free

[Anonymous]

I have the same problem, I haven't been able to find any girls near me who want marriage and kids. :/ I'm not saying there aren't any girls like that here at all, I just haven't been able to find one yet.

[TwinFace]

Go to a church or meet religious people. They are the nicest beings that i come across. Definitely marriage materials

[Anonymous]

Marriage is stupid what kind of man wants to get married so he can get divorced and lose his assets? Not many

[Anonymous]

Because sex is fun, sex is fine, doggy style or 69 so if you want me in the sack just freshen up and text me back ;)

[Anonymous]

It's hard to find women worth settling for

[Truthatanycost]

How many men / women have you been with?

[SovereignessofVamps]

They're all early 20s.

[AhGojira]

Not really. I know tons of men in their late 30s that still don't want to get married.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@AhGojira do they have lots of debt / money issues?

[AhGojira]

Nope, they generally work in software development/IT. Most of them are home owners and have pretty stable income...

[SovereignessofVamps]

@AhGojira Doesn't mean there's no debt, people even get debt on their cellphones now.

[AhGojira]

They aren't in debt. They're friends of mine or of my brothers. For example one of them works at Amazon. He got hired at $140K a year with a $100K signing bonus. He gets tons of benefits and is saving tons of money. He has a lot of disposable income. He has a girlfriend, but he never wants to get married. Sorry, you're barking up the wrong tree. They are successful men with their life in order and have no problem getting girls. The men aren't the problem, it's the women.

[dudeman]

im 30 good job and what not. i won't entertain the idea of marriage with modern women.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@AhGojira he's very lucky then. Where I live no one makes 100k, even engineers. But I have people in my family who had high incomes and they loved the idea of marriage lol So it depends... Apparently, these days it's more common for women to be making higher wages anyway.

[AhGojira]

Lucky? Eh, he does alright. Amazon is very competitive at grabbing top talent, but they work you like a slave and rarely invest in creature comforts or new computers... Bezos is a shrewd businessman and will spend money on talent, but not much else... :D Money isn't everything in the deal... Anyway mechanical and electrical and engineers here tend to start out around 70-80K, chemical and biomedical engineers get around 90K to start. Software developers can sign on around 90K if they are talented at a larger company. After you're a senior software developer (3-5 years depending on the company) you're looking at 120-130K. If you have an interdisciplinary skill set and a graduate degree for example in statistics/economics and write trading algorithms or in molecular biology/pharmacology and write algorithms for drug discovery pipelines then you get get up to about 250K with about 5 years proven experience. It all depends on how much responsibility you want and how much of your life you

[AhGojira]

want to trade for money...

[SovereignessofVamps]

@AhGojira I'm not an engineer or software developer, but where I live I've heard of them having to do temp/part time jobs, and not making even half of what your friends do.

[AhGojira]

Well, smart people move to metropolitan areas where their skills are in demand. There are a hand full of locations around the country with high populations of STEM related companies that compete for talent.

[dudeman]

@AhGojira even in san fransico stem people are working temp jobs. its not how it used to be man Obama fucked up the economy.

[AhGojira]

@dudeman It's fine for me and the people I know... Most of them are in south Florida or Seattle at the moment. I've read that there is a decline in California overall and an upswing in the triangle in NC. So it really comes down to location... So adapt and move if you need to. If you're not tied down with a wife and kids it's not hard to pick up and move to better opportunities. I know a mechanical engineer that had to move to Alabama, but he's still on par with the salaries I'm talking about.

[dudeman]

@AhGojira I'm doing fine at the moment simply because my work is location and time dependent as well as having strict DOT standards

[dudeman]

@AhGojira I don't know man I feel that you're simplifying it. these kids coming out of college lack the funds to do anything let alone move with no job lined up.

[AhGojira]

@dudeman My little brother and a number of his friends landed jobs either directly out of college or withing a few months of direct application to large companies in the past year or so. They are all computer scientists, computer engineers, and mechanical engineers though. The difference between them and most college kids is that they actually know what they are talking about... :D They can talk the talk, pass the coding interviews, and walk the walk on the job. There are a lot of people that float through school and take no initiative to learn outside of school so they fail miserably on technical interviews even with a masters degree... At the end of the day you have to know what you're talking about, not just get a degree.

[dudeman]

@AhGojira again like you said its the area. California is shit for work. I got lucky but if I'm going to settle down its going to be in texas.

[AhGojira]

@dudeman Yep. The local economy and location of specific companies does have an impact. But it tends to work out with the very talented people coming on with high pay, and then tons of other positions being filled by H1B tech slaves from India or China that are scared to do or say anything that will rock the boat or they will be deported.

[dudeman]

@AhGojira I think a big part of success is luck. just from my observation. of course you have to put the effort in but that's not always recognized. especially today where human resources is filled with women who have too much power in the company.

[AhGojira]

@dudeman Well software development is mostly dominated by men. You're usually interviewed in a number of ways by various team members and sure, there is some luck involved in the interview process. People on your perspective team can dislike you for the dumbest reasons at times. Human resources rarely has the say on if you get hired in those positions, but they do negotiate your salary and benefits. It ultimately depends on how much your perspective boss wants you though. If he wants you he'll tell HR to make sure they get you on board. If they could take you or leave you, they'll negotiate more aggressively.

[SovereignessofVamps]

Can you guys message each other about this pls? @dudeman too

[Sasha07]

Cause US is socially backward country.

[Chromekids]

Maybe you're not work the headache?

[Thisperson98]

I want a relationship, and to settle down...

[Anonymous]

What's in it for men?

[cth96190]

What is in it for men?
A 50 per cent probability of destruction by a divorce court; becoming the woman's impoverished slave for life, via child and spousal support orders; and the rest of his life in the modern version of debtor's prison, if he is unable to pay.
A man would have to be certifably insane to want to form a relationship with a woman.

[JSmuve]

What's in it for me?

[Omar5881]

Not all guys