I don't think we need to unwind back to the past but we definitely have to stop the issues we face today.
Like, I find a person like Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro perfectly masculine enough.
Although a dude like HHH from WWE is pretty fricken gorgeous and awe inspiring. His new business, "I am the game" persona is fricken awesome. I'd shape myself or others after that.
Im even fine with some pretty boys but I hate seeing guys sell themselves short and act pitifully. Im down if a guy is very emotional and what not but when he's basically a rug for people to wipe mud on I get pretty pissed off.
Haha I never did watch WWE, but Triple H I know well, he was a good friend of Lemmy Kilmister, who done his entrance song, and is the best man in music (in my not so humble opinion ;) ).
Pretty boys generally do act soft more often than not, and its to their own detriment!
Since your into the idea of the (((hidden hand))) then I'd suggest to watch Jordan Peterson more carefully, as you become more attuned to pyschological operations in the form of guys like him (fake "alt" ideologues), you'll begin to see that they're very sketchy when it comes to talking of the (((hidden hand))).
It then begs the question: Maybe that's why guys like him get so much "alt" airtime and exposure.
Reply on my other take incoming!
I think you've mistaken what I meant by a hidden hand. Like I refer to many things existing as a hidden hand. One such thing being social structures, or the psychology of masses. I even include things like psychology in which play a role in controlling our actions without our knowledge. Things like biology and the effects of hormones over people such as their love life and general attraction to the opposite sex.
I would believe in something like a overall conspiracy theory, like government using psy-ops to undermine public will, however I also assume many phenonema to be the results of a greater secretive influence, such as collectivist will or something more simplistic.
As for Peterson, it would be simple business practice at work to promulgate his image into the media, he's a walking money bag in the form of intellectual entertainment. I would'nt rule that out, although I am not convinced he is say illuminati. That you would have to provide me with some reason to think otherwise.
But back to HHH, I understand WWE is all gimick but following some of his work he has this brilliant work hard play hard persona that I just love. He's a real grab the bull by the horns character. He may not be exactly tantamount to the idealised man of freedom we talk of before but he fits the acceptable bar of manliness quite well.
All those other elements are definitely attributes to it all, too. In that sense I'm more than happy to regard them as a part of the (((hidden hand))) too. But whilst I never try to discourage anyone from finding things out for themselves, I will assert that guys like J. Peterson are like Alex Jones and InfoWars - they offer up half-truths about women and politics and the like, wrapped up in continual lies that misguide those who do have more open/inquisitive minds.
I'd be lying if I said I knew if J. P was was a Freemason or whatever (I know plenty of Masons, and they are really as creepy as people say lol), I don't! But whether he's officially on someones payroll or not, the integrity of his message may have been compromised by his want to ascertain a more "coroporate" level image.
You should check out 21Convention on youtube, its a forum of men promoting masculinity, from PUA's to guys like Jack Donovan that I've mentioned to you already. I'm not a fan of PUA's generally, and I even have bones to pick with Donovan, much as I promote aspects of his work; but there is such a wide variety of guys that attend and lecture there that it's really worth a look.
Nah man Triple H ain't no pretty boy haha!
On the back of our other conversation, there's nothing wrong with being a wrestler, nor a bartender or waiter lol. I don't ever pick guys apart for how they earn their money, it's just that the marker of any true man is whether or not he can *man up* in times of extreme hardship.
HHH has got my respect! I mean... any man that is friends with Lemmy Kilmister is a friend of mine!
Lol, couldn't disagree with you. Well, for the most part.
With Peterson I feel what you are saying, I don't personally begrudge him and I admire him but the hype around him does do a bit of disservice to himself. Like, I don't think any of these half truth he may espouse were intended to be half truths, just merely a form of general discussion. However, I may not know what it is exactly in what you mean with his half truths, I just mean to disassociate myself from the fan boy types that are a bit too eccentric on behalf of a public speaker.
In his defence however, it must be gut wrenching to be on the level he is at on the public stage. He seems rather ordinary in many ways, which I find admirable, he doesn't seem invulnerable to the pressures of media or television and I think he is sometimes caught in quite a bind with all the ambushes made by the media.
I certainly wouldn't put him in Alex Jones territory though, Jordan Peterson may have oversimplified veiws and sometimes has his facts wrong but Alex Jones is just a shill... And he's great television (radio).
As for Masonry, well, if I were a Mason, which thats actually my name but, if I were the other kind of Mason, I would quickly be trying to get my hands on that device.
Also, yeah, I think they kinda get weird too.
Ill check out that thing too.
Lastly, so when it does come to being a man, or masculine or what not, I think a lot of it can be summed up with the hardship part of what you were saying. Like, even those wimpy guys, I've met a bunch and I have a reasonable amount of respect for em, when they do their best in what they have to work with thats usually good enough for me. Sometimes there's just unexplainable reasons why people are the way they are, sometimes they tend to be a bit feminine, but whats most important in their character isn't living up to be a John Cena, HHH, or Conan, it to me is about unraveling that deep essence of themselves and capitolising on it in the world. Not, to enable their own bad behaviours but to be at one with what they are and not to be some pawn to some greater order or to be a puppet on a string.
I'll reply back in due course man!
You have pointed out something very important here, feminism is something women are going to regret, it's an anti-masculinity movement, but I say let them experience a feminine world, and wait, they'll come crying back
Yh you know it son. We must remember though that feminism was just the tool used to attack masculinity. (((Those that have created and funded))) these hegemonic groups need to eradicate masculinity as that is the line of defence, against tyranny - be it the new world order or the guy d9en the street who wants to humiliate you and fuck your wife...
That's why I put the RT report on, because in what world would men protest against the raping of their women full stop? More so who in the FUCK protests against the raping of their women, by wearing skirts and shouting slogans?
Any healthy society would be head hunting those bastards - and then people say to me "well police will arrest you!"...
Goes back to my point on masculinity, the police (as an extension of the state) had neglected us and our women... Time for us to bear the arms.
Men are much better now.
Well can't say I agree, but alright. Would you mind elaborating a little on wby you think so?
I just don't care for hyper-masculine, macho guys. They are obsessed with sex, status, and power. They see doing essential adult tasks an emasculating such as housework, cooking, and changing their own kids diapers. And of course showing their emotions. I'm not putting up with that.
I see what your saying, though unfortunately I think, perhaps from your own experiences (?) you have confused "macho" with insecure man-boy's. The fact is, if I did have a partner, out of the two of us she would be likely to be cooking and cleaning and changing diapers than myself, I as a man will provide other "maintenance-type" things. It's just not something I'd "choose" to do. Though if she's out of the house for something important or out of the routine, then of course cooking for myself and cleaning the dishes and such isn't exactly a problem!!!
The point I've made on this page though, is that men are so dangerously femenised/deracinated/emasculated now, that within an array of social, economic and world-political problems; all of the lost/fading attributes of the "old men" are much needed but not present...
As a general rule of thumb, the millennial males can't fight their way out of a paper bag, nor do they have any traditional male virtues; this is dangerous for society.
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your pictures of fictional characters make for a very compelling argument.
Urgh...
Leoniadas of Sparta is not a fictional character.
The Peaky Blinders were a real gypsy cartel/mafia clan during the post-AS I eta, and a major force with it - like the Anglo-Italian Sabini's and the Kray's throughout the better half of 20th century England.
James bond is a pseudo-fictitious characterisation of classic MI5/MI6 agents between the Boer War-Cold War eta..
And bikers are "outlaws" who don't give a fuck about a state that don't give a fuck about them...
Post-WWI era***
Care to actually say something constructive?
so spartan men died on average at age 33. most were poor or enslaved
peaky blinders. the leader according to the show was a drug addict
james bond was a special agent. special agents still exist.
again these aren't compelling arguments as these are all people who's lives were measurably worse than the lives men can live now.
if you want to go to war you certainly can (but in sparta you had no choice)
you can join an organized crime organization if you'd like
you can join special ops, services, agents, etc if you like
but dying at 33 enslaved or poor, being a morphine addict, or a loner are all options i wouldn't choose today 50 years, 100 years or 2200 years ago
So you think random factoids that are irrelevant to the wider context, are gonna dismantle my point/s?
These types of men, characterisations or not, are symbolic of a type of man that rarely exists anymore. What we have now in place of them, are emasculated pussies. Just watch the report I linked.
Yoh mentioning the very fact that those men's' lives were "measurably worse" only compounds my view; that yesteryears men were men of action and leadership. Today's men generally, are inept weaklings.
Guys like you need to learn to differentiate between "being a good man", and BEING GOOD AT BEING A MAN.
The reasons Spartans HAD to fight, was that they were a small city state, that prior to Xerxes' major assaults on Greece/Europa, they were in constant large-scale skirmishes with the Persian Sumerian-wannabes and such. Like living in the wild 10,000 years ago, the Spartans had no choice to ponder the un-masculine questions of morality... Yet, as amoral as bloodshed might be, why did the Spartans or the 007's or the Peaky Blinders' of the world fight? To defend themselves, their tribe, their women, or in more modern times; to secure a decent monetary (and thus material) existence in light of the piss poor conditions they were born or put into through war...
Lets not forget one or a couple of the Blinders' brothers were WWI veterans...
What does our generation do? Swipe on their iPhones, and cry for safe spaces? It's a joke...
Yeah sure, I can join "spec ops" if I trained hard enough, but like the bikers of the world, why fight for a state that despises me?
your arguments make no sense. we can be men and know what it means to be men without a desire to be men of 2200 years ago. you really don't even know what it meant to BE A MAN in Spartan life or if those men were really happy with their lives. you just have some strange admiration based on what you've seen portrayed by the media.
being a man is not some set in stone mandate. being a man depends on each individual's or personal life, experience and what they need to do in it to be productive, successful and happy.
Conversely, you make no sense.
You pulled me up for using what were mostly characterisations of masculinity/masculine men, all I said in reply to that, is that characterisations or fictional or not, they personify aspects of integral and vital masculinity that are, broadly speaking, missing in today's western male population. You strike me as someone who has taken offense to the fact that what I'm highlighting, is representative of yourself and people like you...
Masculinity is NOT socially constructed (((all that cultural marxist diatribe))), all modern "civilisation" has done is repressed and attempted (with fair success thus far) to completely destroy it.
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if it makes you feel good about yourself to insult me then i'm glad i could help you feel better
I really wouldn't try taking the high ground on this one..
if you consider the high ground not lowering oneself to resort to name calling then i will gladly take and remain on the high ground. but as an adult i dont' consider it taking the high ground not to insult and name call... i just call it being an adult
Simps will be simps... Not much more to be said here.
Men are way more buff now than they ever have been. In ancient times they could not have the access to all the proper nutrients to get to peak physical condition that you can now and the exercises that we know to do now trump anything they had back then.
Look at Sean Connery there. His body looks all flabby. You chose him as an example of a man? Men must not have been much back then.
Here's today.
Well... This (old) post was not about how big a mans muscles should be, but take it from 268lbs boxer...
That people think modern athletes are anywhere near what our prehistoric ancestors were capable of, is flawed. High civilisation has made us weaker and more stupid, less strong and less capable, the feats that modern athletes perform (which are still great in and of themselves) are barely scraping the barrel of what humans can truly do.
All the blood, sweat and tears that athletes put in for their sport/s, is what our ancestors would've been doing as part of their culture, and not just for a select few who become sportsman in modern civilisation.
Read this - gainweightjournal.com/.../
Henry Cavil is in great shape, like a lot of celebrities who play superheroes, but despite all this talk of sporting feats, our muscles nor fitness is what matters when it comes to being a man - in the cultural and spiritual sense. Our culture has destroyed all masculine virtues.
Also, Sean Connery was a bodybuilder... 
So your snipe against this great guy is invalid there too... And even in his "flabby" self, he was every part the ladies man IRL, not just as 007.
"That people think modern athletes are anywhere near what our prehistoric ancestors were capable of, is flawed."
In what measurable way is that flawed? Like I want a specific example. I've explained that modern knowledge of sports medicine and anatomy has allowed us to optimize diets and specific physical activities to activate the body to it's highest potential.
Just spitball me some things that "prehistoric" men did that people of today can't do? Like an actual example not some vague broad generalization.
Read the article I linked then...
So your entire belief hinges on this ONE dude who wrote a book making claims (with really no actual scientific evidence just him claiming it to be the truth) as why ancient people were physically superior.
Where is the science? Explain to me the anatomical reasons why someone who eats the perfect diet today and does optimal workouts wouldn't win against someone back in the day when they ate whatever they could find and worked out using only their body weight and some rocks? Your argument needs to be based on science and logic not your feelings.
Stop fallaciously retorting with nothing but hyperbole, deliberately misconstruing what I have said, let alone implied.
No, one article is merely anecdotal in the grand scheme of things, but I tell you what, how's about you go and research for yourself, rather than wasting my time with dribble?
I'd wager it's you that's replying to me, on the basis of your feelings. Modern man is sick and malnourished; I reckon your one of them soyboys.
http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Evolution.html
Evolution compels us to breed ourselves stronger. It's why the strongest men had kids in the old days and the weaker whinier guys don't. The strong genes were passed on.
Centuries/millenia of breeding has helped squeeze out the weaker parts of the gene pool. So there's my research. I've also literally already told you about diet and fitness and our knowledge of it today (notice how you completely didn't address that at all).
I've already shown my research. You just respond with me being fallacious (giving examples of scientifically verified reasons for why we're stronger today than in the past is the exact opposite of fallacious. Here you can read all about how it works here https://www.sportsmedres.org/)
You're just upset that your argument has no logical reasoning behind it. Your retort was for ME to do your research for you. Well there is none to be done because science does not agree with you. You don't care about the truth you just care about your beliefs and winning arguments with it no matter how incorrect they are.
Urgh... No...
Stop conflating the nature of this "discussion" with a nebulous of falsely rooted condescension; I just get tired of conversing with people like you bleating on about mainstream theories like evolution (or rather, credibly evidenced theories by people like Darwin, that have been transformed into a propaganda narrative)...
I'll speak in laymens terms; you think that us modern men who only have to walk down the road to the supermarkets are superior to hunter-gatherer men?
Also, I hold a *very* different approach to how "evolution" has occurred, I will not elaborate on that too much, for it will be wasted on you. The root races of anatomically correct humanoids are a subset of distinct sub-species, as a white (cro-magnon, Aryan) man - and no we do not have neanderthal DNA - would like to highlight how the races have different qualities and inclinations/predispositions, nor do we come from the loins of Homo-Sapien-Sapien's (Sub-Saharan Negroids)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJauteYFEsE
With that aside, your "evidence" is also hampered by the efforts of the Smithsonian's attempts at covering up/destroying many archeological finds that highlight the myths of lands being inhabited by "giants", to be true. Again, you can look this up...
Stonehenge for example, has bewildered historians, scientists, archeologists and so on to this day, they have not been able to ascertain how such large boulders were to be cast in such extreme and precise astrological alignment...
Today we have holsters/cranes and laser technology to do things for us... Those ancients didn't... and so on...
Oh okay, I've been talking to an alt-right member this entire time. Really wish I knew that before starting a conversation with you.
"alt-right"... I see...
Lol.
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You read a woman is running for POTUS 2020.
Thus the misogyny restarts.
Lol all politics is a fraudulent process anyhow - left or right, up or down, if people keep voting in these rigged elections, they'll just keep voting themselves down the rabbit hole into oblivion.
I love loyalty chivalry and all of that good stuff
Loyalty yes.
Chivalry: FUCK THAT. I would wager that chivalry far more so than feminism (in some ways), had has lead to this post-christain moral system where men pedestal women. Thus, for centuries women have been allowed to never fully grow up and mature emotionally.
Much as I love my women, we can't allow this to go on. Men need to strap on their list cock n' balls and rebalance the equation a little.
Haha I don't think so Mr K'ang. I refuse to bow down!
Lol you might have to take out the international banking cartel to establish your land!
Nah Cuba's better, you can give me some cigars then!
Erm... cigars are 100% tobacco. I think they're ok kiddo
Oh ok good to know man... well good luck hunting me down when I raise a revolutionary force! No cigars, no compliance!
But maybe there are infiltrators in your ranks!
Oh I dunno, espionage is a tricky, prickly business
What if the infiltrators were really hot girls that you really, really liked?
Kid, I suggest that you bang the best quality vajayjay you can get. Life is for living, and having fun! I doubt you'd have them raped to death, they'll be shacked up with big men! haha
Erm?
Your either a joker, or misunderstood what I said...
I hope you didn't get raped...
Well, hopefully the person who done it to you got what he/she deserved...
Lol this convo's taken a dark turn... Make your own happiness kid, we all get fucked over at some point
Like I just said man, no matter how shit things might be you gotta make your own choices, no matter how young. Not much else to say.
Look, don't wanna leave ya hanging so I'll say one more thing; I personally haven't had anything that awful happen/be done to me, but I've been through a lot of other shit that makes you grow up quite quickly (in some ways anyway). It sounds harsh when we say "make your own happiness" or whatever, but it's true - and partly why I wrote this page about masculinity - that part of being a "man" is that we have to carve out our own lives; no matter how many hurdles we face, no matter how abused (in any way) we get, you can't let shit break you down or otherwise your not human anymore. Kinda philosophical I know but hope you can understand my words.
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Haha "destroy the patriarchy" they said... Now look at the general make population...
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