Abortion: yes or no?

[Anonymous]

I just want you to know that i will answer you with facts and logic. Me? Hell yeah.

[ShortCircuit]

I've made up my mind that in cases involving rape or an increased threat to the mother's life during pregnancy or child birth, the freedom to have an abortion should certainly be protected under the law.

However, I am undecided on how I feel legislation regarding abortion should be handled in cases in which the pregnancy is a result of sheer irresponsibility.

On one hand, I believe all life should be protected by the government--in fact, I think that should be just about the government's only role in society. Plus, I believe that having sex (even with adequate protection, especially without) equates to accepting responsibility for the consequences, especially when the consequences are as sufferable as a mere 9 months of discomfort and a few hours of pain.

On the other hand, I am hesitant to grant more authority to the state than it already has, especially when the powers given to it could quite possibly lead to the routine infringement on bodily autonomy in other instances. Plus, outlawing what one might consider unjust abortion doesn't guarantee the end of its practice. People would simply seek abortion services from illegal (and likely less safe) sources, which would just result in even more casualties.

[BlueCoyote]

Yes to legal and regulated abortion. Yes also to universal single payer health care that makes abortion available for everyone, not just the wealthy and upper-middle class.

[BlueCoyote]

P. s. Yes also to well-funded, comprehensive and systematic sex-ed classes that focus on more than just STDs and fear mongering, which is how sex is usually taught in US schools (especially in the south).

[Asker]

You are so right.

[psychoticallyawkward]

@BlueCoyote 100% yes. In fact a majority of people want comprehensive sex-ed classes taught at schools.

[Bliss-taylor]

Pro-life
It's not just the woman's body once she's pregnant. The baby has different DNA. there's a life in there that needs fighting for. I don't think the woman's wants are more important than the baby's life. She's the one who messed up. The baby is an innocent. I'm pro choice if you look at it as Im pro- contraceptive, pro- adoption, and pro- abstinence. Please, don't bring up abortion in the case of rape and incest. It's only 1% of all abortions. there's a bigger issue here and it's the selfishness of women.
If you get an abortion you don't EVER deserve to have a child. Just get your tubes tied if you don't want kids and aren't willing to make better decisions to prevent or give to a another family. It's the most selfish heartless thing these women can do. I'll never support them in this.

[AnimaLover_17]

I think abortion should be acceptable up to a certain number of months. It should not surpass 3 months, and honestly mother's, that tons of time to prepare yourself, no excuses. Otherwise, just don't get pregnant in the first place. If I absolutely had to I would abort, but the guilt would still be there no matter how early in pregnancy, so I am just sort of avoiding pregnancy to begin with. People who are religious are against birth control and condoms because it is not natural intercourse. So in the case of a religious person literally just don't have sex. Do oral or something. I don't know how many times I have heard of teens get pregnant and I don't think it was just a coincidence that they were also all christian

[AnimaLover_17]

Oh ya and it is these same people that are dead set against aborting. Not only is safe-sex a sin in regards to religion, but it is even more sinful to end the unborn fetuses life. So ya, if this is ur brief that unfortunately you will probably just have to refrain from sex, sorry. Not my fault that we have overpopulation.

[NessyTheMonster]

Definitely yes. If you have medical problems, if the baby isn't healthy, if you have financial problems, if you're too young or if you just don't want it, you have every right to abort it.
It's better if a child is never born rather than it's doomed to live a miserable life.

[smart_alec]

Life quality is very subjective. A really rich person like Bill Gates may consider my poor life to be miserable. Wouldn't give him the right to kill me before I was born.

[Asker]

Oh my God your mom lost an in incredible abortion.

[Asker]

Nessy I love your answer

[NessyTheMonster]

Well it's not Bill Gates who decides to about your baby, is he?
It's irresponsible to bring a baby to the world if you barely get by yourself. If you have enough money to sustain it, than go ahead. Otherwise you both will suffer.

[smart_alec]

But the idea of a miserable life is so subjective. A woman should not be allowed to kill her baby just because she *thinks* it will have a "miserable life". How would she even know what kind of life it will have? There are plenty of people who have been born into poverty and end up very wealthy.

[Asker]

The thing here is the child won't be loved or maybe yes but who cares, if the woman doesn't want to have a baby why can't she decide? It's not your body

[NessyTheMonster]

As I said, if a mother has a very bad time getting by herself on her own, a baby probably won't have a very nice life. Perhaps maybe in the future, but I think that's quite rare.
Living in a slum isn't really a good life, is it

[Harsh_5299]

"The thing here is the child won't be loved or maybe yes but who cares"
The child IS being loved, if it's allowed to live in the first place...

"if the woman doesn't want to have a baby why can't she decide?"
1) cuz the baby equally belongs to the man and the man needs to protect and provide for the pregnant woman who is inturn expected to protect and provide for the baby

2) the baby is not a part of her body and is a different life (different DNA) whatever happened to 'i can do anything as long as I don't harm others'

3) you're not an omniscient person to know whether someone will lead a 'good life' in the future or not... I'm not surprised if you encourage suicide as well

4) it's pointless to argue with people who don't see babies as humans... even potential humans... reminds me of the good ole days of Soviets and nazis

[curiousnorway]

I'm pro life.
Why I'm Pro-Life & My Answers To Pro-Choice Arguments ↗

[Asker]

You are pro taking control over women's body for no reason at all.

[curiousnorway]

I wouldn't be less pro-life if men also could get pregnant. Actually taking control over the child's life and kill it isn't anything better.

[Asker]

Read science, there is no such thing as a baby in the first 3 words, there is no harm, no pain, no killing. Please read I'm saying it for real

[RasmusAiken]

Neither should one end the life of a helpless person for a selfish reason.

[Asker]

There is no person inside honey.

[curiousnorway]

What is it then?

[Asker]

A fetus. Read.

[Charleslvajr]

A protohuman. The same eugenics excuse the Nazis used in the 30s and 40s to use the handicapped and mentally unhinged as lab rats and extermination test subjects. After all, they're not really human and they don't feel like us.

[Asker]

Oh my God you're doing the wrong research

[Charleslvajr]

It's not the wrong research, it's the psychology involved. After, it's all useless tissue to somebody. #killitbeforeitdevelopslanguageskills

[olatipng]

I'm pro-abortion. People make a political issue/philosophical-religious argument about something very complex that is centered around women's health and well-being. If a woman wants to have an abortion it is her decision, her right, her autonomy. Women already have abortions today in some cases. People think that the decriminalization/legalization will cause women to abort babies everywhere all the time, we know that's not what's going to happen. It will not increase abortions like crazy, it will decrease women, mostly poor women, who unfortunately die trying to have an abortion right now. No woman should be prosecuted, humiliated or put in prison because of an abortion. So yeah, pro-abortion all the way!

[Asker]

you go gurrrrrl I love your answer

[olderbudweiser]

Absolutely yes. Its up to the woman to decide what she does with her body. How dare a state tell a woman she can't do what she wants. My thoughts on it is... if u want an abortion then have one (id allow up to 12wks) if u dont agree with abortion then... DONT HAVE ONE. And stop dictating to those who want control over her own body

[Asker]

I think I'm in love with you.

[smart_alec]

I don't care about the woman's body. I care about the human that's inside her.

[olderbudweiser]

So ud sacrifice the woman?

[smart_alec]

No. I'd stop her from killing her child.

[Asker]

There is not a human inside her in the first 3 months. You chose torturing woman for 9 months, then maybe a shitty life for that baby. You don't care for anybody, u just wanna decide over women's body.

[olderbudweiser]

Well said Asker. Mr Alec n people like him need to stop letting emotions rule their head. I wonder how many pro life fascists are on the pill or have female family and friends on the pill... prob dont even know it works... morons

[smart_alec]

Why do you get to decide what a human is? That's the same argument that slave-holders used. They're not "real people".

[olderbudweiser]

Eh? Ur point makes no sense... decide if its a human? Cud she choose a fish or a cat?

[smart_alec]

No. Because neither a fish nor a cat is the product of human fertilisation...

[olderbudweiser]

She isn't deciding a species. Its her body n she decides what happens in her body... nobody else does.

[smart_alec]

But you said that you wouldn't allow abortions after 12 weeks. By your logic, you're deciding what women can and can't do with their bodies.

[olderbudweiser]

I chose 12 wks cos i do feel there has to b a cut iff point plus if the feotus has to be removed by surgery n can survive outside womb unaided it can be more mentally straining on the woman. So i think 12wks is fine as its done with medical pill. Works same way as normal pill does

[smart_alec]

So you wouldn't let a 13 week pregnant woman have an abortion. You, a man, are telling women what they can't do WITH THEIR OWN BODIES.

[olderbudweiser]

Im not stopping anyone at anytime. If she was 20wks i still think she shud b allowed but by that stage its gonna mentally challenging. I chose 12wks as a cut off point for on demand n over that (with allowances for common sense) after consultation with people who can help her through it

[smart_alec]

Your answer certainly suggested that you wouldn't allow an abortion after 12 weeks. I think you've shifted your position. Moreover, if the unborn baby isn't really a human, why would killing it be mentally challenging for women? If they haven't done anything immoral, why would it be distressing for them?

[olderbudweiser]

My answer suggets nothing... its a text message not a full blown document

[Asker]

After 3 months the fetus stars to "be alive" or whatever. Before that is not a human, it doesn't have feelings. there is no baby. It has to be before the 3 months. READ BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

[love_conquers_lust]

Heart beat at around 6 weeks. Abortion after that is manslaughter at best. I can't believe states allow abortion up to viability at 22 weeks or even up to delivery in the eight or so fucked up states.

We're obliterating someone's liberty for the sake of not inconveniencing someone else's.

Government subsidized abortion, no. Contraceptives are cheaper. Abstinence is free. Sex education more effective.

Bilateral consent should be required without proof of rape for medically assisted abortion.

[passinby]

Anyone that believes in abortion due to sport sex should get their tubes tied and/or vasectomy right now. Because, even if they do have a kid someday; they are too narcissistic and selfish to raise it anyways. So just get fixed and just STFU already about it.

[venus-and-mars]

Personally no as if u didn't want a child you should've been more careful and i dont reckon a potential new life should suffer because of that, at least put it up for adoption as many people can't have that chance BUT I do reckon their are times where I would believe to be accepted such as if you were raped because you couldnt live with that reminder and it would mess you up for years if you really didn't want to go through with it.

[ThreeSheetsToTheWind]

It is not for me to decide what women should do with their bodies.

[Asker]

This is fucking right I hope everyone think in this way.

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

Yeah, but doctors still have to decide in some of those cases what they are going to do... the law isn't there to affect you per se, but to establish a rule for all people.

[krakula6972]

I'm not against it however I don't support it... I'm pro choice however I feel that when there's an opportunity for life it shouldn't be taken away but the bottom line is that it's a personal choice therefore who am I to tell someone what they can or can't do.

[Elliegirl]

Geez, chica. You are very opionated and sounds like you want to pick fights with people who disagree with you on such a hot button issue. Anyway, I don’t agree with it, but I’m not gonna get all self righteous and try to tell other people what they can and can’t do. it’s legal, so it’s up to each woman/couple what they want to do. In a couple, the man should have a vote, but she gets the final say in the matter.

[Harsh_5299]

Why shouldn't the man have equal say in the matter? It's half his DNA anyway

[lord_chilled]

No. Because ending a life is still murder.
And all you "my body my choice" idiots are the biggest, dumbest hypocrites on earth for taking control amd making decisions on another persons LIFE let alone their body, while claiming you can do whatever you want with your body.

Whatever happened to do what you want WITHOUT hurting others?

[AccDontKnowWhatToPut]

I personally don't care, like I didn't even know I existed until I was around 2 years of age anyways.

[InfoBot]

This debate has been done to death. The end result, some are for, some are against. Nothing changes.

[Hellway]

yes, in case of medical emergencies or if mother doesn't want it can be done.

[Natazz]

I love how there are more guys than girls answering, personally I'm pro choice

[Harsh_5299]

Why do you have a problem with guys answering it?

[Natazz]

I don't have a problem with it, I just think girls should speak up more

[SmoMan71]

Im pro to many-fucking-people-in-the-world-already.

[Freduns]

If die to Financial Problems, rape or a Busted relationship or children it's a yes, but if adults are too lazy to use protection nope they should know the consequences

[Asker]

Do u really thinks that people will say, let's have sex without protection, we can do abortion later? It's not like that, but if that's the case, it doesn't matter, because the body is still not yours.

[Freduns]

Im not the one commiting the mistake, responsability lie upon both of the Folks who are congegrating

[Asker]

Yeah so let em decide what they want to do without judging or deciding for them

[Zentralleuchte]

they trashed institutions? some enforced the idea thay you are not sane when you dont work so you should not have children. propaganda and capital. still always a sick deed. when even the church says you're memtally ill considering the great life goals on television which is the main source for all disturbances, how confused it can get? a normal life variety range, and horror depictions and lies for debate?

[JulieXO]

I am, always have been and always will be pro choice. Nobody should be forced to have a child they don’t want or can’t support.

[LordSnuggles]

I'm not sure how you can fact and logic something that has a moral basis.

[Asker]

Because it's not really about moral. It's about health care. Is about stop making choices for women's body.

[LordSnuggles]

I'm not disputing one's ability to make a choice but that choice is rooted in morality. Reason and logic can only get you the point of defining what is indisputable. The question surrounding abortion is an ethical one. You can't throw facts and figures at someone and change how they feel about a complex subject like life and where it begins.

[Asker]

I am not asking if YOU would do an abortion, I don't care if you agree or disagree. The thing here is if you "accept" or if you want it to be legal for those who want to have one, because you know it's not up to you.

[Band_freak]

Depends on the reason for the abortion but most of the time yes

[Asker]

Why not for everyone who doesn't want a kid? Think about the person who's pregnant, the life that she can give to a child that she didn't even want in the first place, and the suffer she will go through the pregnancy. It's her life let's focus on that. Society shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body.

[curiousnorway]

Therefor we've adoption.

[Asker]

That's just telling women ok you have to go to the pregnancy even if later y won't be the one who raise the child. That's fucked up. Women should decide about their bodies.

[Band_freak]

The reason I say it depends on the reason is because I disagree with people who have abortions simply because the baby is not the sex they wanted it to be

[curiousnorway]

Most cases aren't rape cases and I support the woman's and the man's right to choose if they wants to have sex or not. If they choose sex, they should use contraception if they don't want pregnancy. People should be careful and take the consequences instead of being careless. It's similar to drunk and drive. It's something called responsibility!

[Band_freak]

@curiousnorway assuming they did use contraception and it failed, should you still think they should have to go through the pregnancy?

[Asker]

Yeah first of all condoms BREAK anticonceptivos FAIL. The thing here is not why you ended up pregnant. It's about, ok you ARE pregnant, it's your choice what you want to do. No one should decide about women's body.

[curiousnorway]

You can use both contraception pills and condoms. I doubt it would be a high risk then. You could also choose to not penetrate if you're too afraid of pregnancy. Sex is a procreation tool after all.

Nobody should decide over the child's body either. Why is it okay to take away so young children's lives, but not older ones?

[smart_alec]

That's right. It's not okay to kill a child in the womb. It's actually pretty evil.

[Band_freak]

@curiousnorway sometimes using condoms and pill aren't a possibility but I definitely agree that if pregnancy is that big an issue then you just shouldn't have sex

[Asker]

You are not taking a life. You are choosing over your own body. There is no baby.

[curiousnorway]

@Band_Freak, sadly not everyone understands it. Some people lies too much around without caring about the risks!

[Band_freak]

@curiousnorway not everyone understands what?

[curiousnorway]

Not everyone understands that lying around not being careful isn't a good idea if they don't want to get pregnant. Some sees sex as entertainment instead of procreation.