Are there anymore high-quality loyal women today?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

It seems, from my observation, that these types of women aren’t as prevalent today as they were years ago. Could it be the loss of tradition and values? Also, what I mean by high quality and loyal are both described below
High quality:(smart, strong and moral beliefs and values, and wants to establish a healthy and successful family and relationship)
Loyalty:(doesn’t betray her friends and family, never quits on those close to her)

[motownplayer2000]

Haha, you have one way of thinking... Just because someone doesn't fit in your scope of thinking doesn't mean they are less quality. That is a misconception that is born out of not understanding or walking in someone's shoes. There are a ton of good women out there that don't follow "traditions and values" that you follow. That's your way, so follow your way... There are a lot of stuff I don't agree with from people, but unless they have raped or murdered someone, doesn't mean they aren't quality people. Get out more and learn about people and learn there stories, try to open your mind and understand where people are coming from... It may change your perspective... Or it may not, may be as outdated as your thinking...

Plus, love when people also say that traditional values is what's missing... From the same people that brought you baby boomers (you know, people that couldn't stop being Jack rabbits), also Woodstock and the hippie area (orgies and drugs, orgies and drugs) and more hate crimes than you can count... Plus segregation... Sooo... I'm just saying... Redefine your definition of quality.

[AndyGillard]

There are man but i feel ya. That's why I've been single from 26-28. LLR- Love Loyalty Respect. Thats what i can gureentee in a relationship so im not going to bother to bother untill im sure i'll get that in return. Gold diggers seem to be a legit problem too. Someone the type you would least respect.

Advice too any guys with a decent networth, if your looking for a partner try too hide that factor at first. Even if it means driving the daily Toyota too a date and keeping the Porsche in the driveway.

[MzAsh]

I know a lot of women like this, but they don’t put men on a pedestal. They are intelligent, ambitious, and know how to have good relationships with family, friends, and men. They live by their own standards and principles and don’t care what the rest of society think about them.

[MzAsh]

In fact, I’d say there are more high quality women now than their used to be as they are becoming more widely ambitious and assertive.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I wouldn’t say being more ambitious or assertive for women, is necessarily a high quality trait.

[MzAsh]

Why not? I think it’s very important and high quality traits, and I forgot to mention confidence.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Ambitious doesn’t say anything good about a woman, neither does assertiveness. Actually, those qualities don’t say anything good or bad about anyone, men or women. The descriptors of a high quality woman are outlined above in my question. You can be ambitious and assertive, but also be uncaring, disloyal, and selfish.

[MzAsh]

I think confidence, ambition, and assertiveness are what women lacked in previous generations which held them back in life a lot. It’s good to be caring, loyal, and selfless too of course, but I think women have these traits inherently. When they don’t, it’s usually learned.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I’m not entirely sure what you mean when you say that women were held back in life a lot in the past. Studies show, that women today are much more unhappy than women in the past. Maybe the shift or change wasn’t an entirely good thing for women

[MzAsh]

Are saying women shouldn’t be ambitious, or assertive or confident?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

No, I’m not. I’m saying, those traits aren’t necessarily good traits or even traits that always indicate a high quality woman.

[MzAsh]

Being caring, loyal, and selfless aren’t necessarily good traits either if one is neglecting their own self care.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I always thought of it liked this: Would I want an assertive partner, or a caring and loyal one? What would everyone else say? I think most would inherently think of caring, loyal, and selfless as GOOD traits but wouldn’t necessarily extend that belief to assertiveness and being ambitious. Those are more neutral if anything. Of course you can always find the extremes and then being caring, loyal, and selfless would be detrimental, but those are the extremes and the exceptions but not the norms.

[MzAsh]

You describe a wife, not necessarily a high quality woman in other ways.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

No, I describe a high quality person, woman specifically.

[MzAsh]

Lol ok. Honestly it sounds more like you want a pet rather than a woman of sound mind.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Because I want a loyal, caring, and selfless woman?

Um... ok

[MzAsh]

But you highlight those traits over everything and anything else, so yes. You described a puppy.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Look at my description above. There’s more than just loyal, caring, and being selfless that constitute a high quality person. All I’m saying is ambition and assertiveness aren’t as likely to be inherently good or received by others to be good, as much as loyal, caring, and selfless are. I think there’s an innate natural/biological reason for that. I never said women couldn’t be that at all.

[MzAsh]

What I know is that I struggled loving a man until I developed in certain ways as a woman. I knew I had to be selfish and take care of my own needs and wants before I could give of myself to someone else. I’ve always been caring and loyal but that didn’t make me a good partner or a good woman.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

If that’s how you feel, ok.

[MlleCake]

Too many men equate putting up with every kind of male nonsense with a smile is the same as high quality.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Honestly, I don’t think that’s the case.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

Nope. You are wrong.

[Astria]

Yeah I agree, lots want a submissive woman who puts up with anything while they watch their porn and whatever else they wanna do.

[MzAsh]

Some men act as if catering to them and making him the center of her universe as high quality.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

Sounds like you have been seeking and attracting the wrong type of men.

[rutare]

Really? We just want a woman to give a shit about us too... not those hoes that only want your money and compliments while they talk to other boys on your back. Stop making excuses about "it's your mistake for not keeping her interested" because I ain't no Clawn and ahe Ain't no kiddo

[Psydchick]

I've been on too many dates where I'm asked to be a girlfriend after the first or second outing. I'd hate to generalize, but out of the last 14 men I've gone on dates with, none actually cared about who I was and asked me about myself, which is why I'm still single. In that space of time, I can only assume I'm liked for my appearance and demeanor but those are shallow qualities at best.

[MlleCake]

@rutare, if you're the kind of man who calls women "hoes" and thinks that there are a lot of them, you're already not the quality man I'd be looking for.

Men of quality don't hold such contempt for women, as a whole.

[On_the_other_hand]

You said "@rutare, if you're the kind of man who calls women "hoes" and thinks that there are a lot of them, you're already not the quality man I'd be looking for.

Men of quality don't hold such contempt for women, as a whole."

And just before you said "Too many men equate putting up with every kind of male nonsense with a smile is the same as high quality."

Sounds like you are having just as much contempt for men as a whole. as you suggest he does for women.

And where did he say he was looking for a girl to put up with nonsense? I think he holds himself to the same standards and good qualities as the women he finds value in.

[azzntittiz]

If it is within a person's nature wouldn't need societal standards to tell them how to behave. I know I am not considered high quality because I'm a whore. But all the high quality women of today are liberated women like myself. The women you will mistake for high quality will hide in church and wait for a man to burden later on in life. She seems submissive because her brain doesn't work, so you'll see what fresh hell awaits you.

I think all the women that would've wanted to cater to a man, be a mother, keep the house, take care of herself, stick by your side, encourage you and show you respect, gave up on that shit when they saw who men truly are. Remember, I became who I am now, after being the perfect girlfriend, I've even been proposed to a few times. I was patient through the bad treatment, cried my eyes out, talked until I was hoarse and nothing.

It's not the 50s anymore, we is free now massa. All the women who want you, are just girls who need you, and that's a bad thing, it means you will be taken advantage of, just like men take advantage of my kind and changed us.

I'd also like to add that my exes male ego, the same shit that keeps ruining their lives, told them to go get married to someone else as soon as I declined and ended up in hot water. She did the things to him what he did to me, *Evil laughter* Muahahahaha!

Instead of changing I'm gonna just show her who's the man, and find a girl who shuts the hell up when I speak, she's gonna have more than a voice after she's trapped you. If someone appears to be taking your shit, they either have low self esteem or have an agenda, either way, it's recipe for an episode of snapped.

[__Ryana__]

I like this mindset of yours!! & Yeah, I'm a believer of same that this moral value thing doesn't have much to do with societal standards but that comes from within & if one is being 'moral' as per societal standards or for the society, there's a huge chance they're faking it. Plus I also have zero tolerance for linking this 'submissive nature' with moral values or good character. It's utter bs that if one is submissive then she is likely to have high moral character or if one is bossy or a rebel then she is likely to have low moral standards.

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ This is what men do not understand, but I think their ego is in the way and that is of their nature, so this will be a never ending battle, I guess.

[__Ryana__]

Lol their loss, we can't help it 😂 let them learn from losses

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ Many fo them never learn, they stay in denial but they know they're wrong. I have witnessed many men disrespect good women and were never happy again, they usually just start to eventually take it out on the new girl, poor thing doesn't know what she's done wrong.

Even though they do treat good women wrong, it's usually a matter of ungratefulness and an ego trip. Sometimes you treat a man so good it goes to his head and he starts thinking it's all about him, but when they marry the wrong person, they get so frustrated and become so bitter, the poor girl suspects he has something on his mind but it's too late for everybody.

[__Ryana__]

I see, it seems they are creating miseries for everyone coz of their own foolishness

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ I am finally understanding why older women say everything is men's fault. of course that's not always true but mostly it is. I've had to deal with incompetent, nasty women men place in power positions so that they sabotage other women.

I used to wonder why it seemed that all women in power are incapable or have a bad attitude. This is because they were placed there to make us look bad, the organisation suffers, good women leave the workplace or look like the problem because we keep complaining.

They also get to say women in the workplace don't make sense because what's left usually really doesn't. I think it's all a big plan to send us back to the old days, because it looks like everything is falling apart. I am not giving up my freedom so they can plot harder.

[__Ryana__]

I am really glad someone saw the bigger picture, Till date I've been assuming that it's my own irrational opinion which should not be taken seriously by myself... I've always been a victim of being mistreated by other girls/ women 😞 & in 9/10 cases, these are the kind of women who are actually 'submissive' but exclusively for men, they'll be so submissive to men but with me, they'd behave so nasty, I've spent years thinking there might be something wrong with me too that majority women hate me & I should find a way to win over them but till date, I have come to no solution! & Guy friends don't understand much of this you know (now I understand it's because it's an advantage to them too that women supressing other women like us, helping them overall)

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ Yeah, it's all rigged against women. I will also have you know that men don't really value women of high quality. They just want access to everyone and for us all to shut up. When you submit to a man knowing you have much to offer, there is a lot at stake. Many times he runs your energy, self esteem, and looks and psyche into the ground. You should be in charge of yourself, not a man, this is why man submissive women lack everything, but the ass kissing skill.

[__Ryana__]

Yeah maybe, although I don't care for men coz they behave rational enough... They know their real place so they don't dare to be unreasonable but my real concern was those nasty unreasonable bitch-behaving (sorry for language) women...

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ I understand, I think strong women need to find like minded support if they're gonna try to survive this. I've come this far by myself and it was really hard especially in a country where women have little rights, I am Jamaican by the way. But for this same reason I stay single.

I did enjoy the revenge of these same women turning on them, and for a moment I was using that to cheer me up. But now I see men trying harder to ruin women like me. They know we're not playing their games, so they crank up the pressure. If I tell you the things men get other women to do to me, sometimes these are men who are in miserable relationships.

They get their miserable submissive worthless of a woman to bully me and he supports her, but I know it's because he can't have me and she can't be me. He knows this will work in his favor, as he gets a pay back for women like me freeing themselves. This is one of the reasons I stay inside until I can do something to change it.

[__Ryana__]

Can we talk in pm?

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ Sure, I'm gonna follow.

[Tr1pQu33n21]

All right. This is not only an issue among women. It is also an issue around men. Why? Because this generation is used to getting what the want now. We drown in instant gratification. Therefore, we have a nasty habit of applying this to all aspects of our lives. It's unfortunate. It is sad. But what we have to do now is fight it. We've acknowledged it. Now it is time to cut the bullshit and realize not everything you get at the touch of a button, or a swipe of a card, or what have you. That relationships take time. Effort. Patience. Commitment. Dedication. Ability to set aside your needs as an individual to assist someone else's in the process. We expect one date to seal the deal. We expect people to behave the way we want because we want them to. But we are all our own people. There are still loyal women out there. There are still loyal men out there. They're hiding. Because they are not interested in developing feelings nor relationships with people who say they want something deep, but only portray something shallow. Instead of pointing fingers, how about we examine ourselves and what we can do? This is a legitimate concern. I am in no way discounting that. But we have to stop blaming others, whining about our own destruction that we made. Now we have to pick up the pieces and grow up. We have to love others the way we love ourselves so that we can soar when we find that "right" person. We are all searching. Let's not make it futile.
Stay up, peeps

[Tr1pQu33n21]

*among *they

[ChiChick]

They are out there. Men who can’t find us are not vibrating at the frequency it takes to attract us. My last relationship ended on the note that my standards were too high. I took that as the greatest compliment ever and keep it moving.✌️ I tell women in these situations to never lower your standards/values to satisfy anyone’s insecurities. The “right” people who deserve to be in your life will appreciate who you are and rise to meet you where you are instead of trying to drag you down to their level. There’s always room to grow, get better and add more value to relationships.

[Vmm90]

Loyalty means a lot to me, I'm fiercely loyal even when it isn't returned. I'm always there for those I care about no matter what.

[Sienna-Rose]

Ditto

[Wolfbaby]

I think it's because in todays society we entertain the idea of what can serve us today rather than what can serve us in the future. This creates a mind that's forever chasing what we can have here and now which means decreasing values within people. I have so many friends that can be so selfish at times I wonder how on earth I became friends with them in the first place. The same applies in relationships. Some people just forget it takes two to tango. Have you ever heard of someone trash talking their ex saying it was all their fault? There's always two sides to one story which kind of hints that it can't always be ‘their’ fault. But in conclusion I think the root to this problem is selfishness and not sacrificing enough to those they supposedly love. Because today it's not as frowned upon it you were to get a divorce but back when your grandparents were young it was usually not as accepted by society.

[littlebutswole]

when i love someone, i love someone. i don't feel romantic attraction to anyone else, maybe physical attraction that i would never ever act on. i would do almost anything for the guy i like, he was my best friend (then he got a girlfriend who hates me), and i was his friend because i loved being with him even though it slightly killed me that he didn't feel the same way anymore (apparently i am just dense because he supposedly was in love with me for a while) but i was busy being too scared to admit my feelings in fear of losing him.

but yeah, i am loyal. through thick and thin, never leave a friend behind.

[__Ryana__]

They do exist, at least I know I have that characteristics & can remember a few other women having them, like my sis. Personally, I don't think it's too much to possess, so it doesn't make who possess them special or something, it's just basic moral sense & basic principles that differentiate people from people. So I see no point in tagging as "High Quality" as if others are inferior any way, They're NOT. And I am what I am for myself coz I like being this way, because I find it more comfortable & happy being honest & loyal not for others so thankfully, by grace of God, I DON'T get overshadowed by upsetting thoughts like "There's no sense in Being nice" etc etc when I don't see same in others.

[__Ryana__]

There are many people who have lost faith in being nice coz of same issue, that is they don't see it being returned, they're not wrong either. Plus, your question is wrong, it's not just women who have lost that 'high-quality' trait, PEOPLE in general have lost it over time, men have lost it so have women. Still I challenge you, you'll get to see more of these High Quality people who are women than you can find any man of high quality. And I know a hell lot of women who have lost faith in being 'high quality' especially in case of relationship coz it was a hopeless case they never got same in return.

[__Ryana__]

& asker sorry, just saw your full definition of 'high quality woman' now only & saw that "family & relationship thing" & I'd like to tell that I would never give any of my good side in a relationship because that's where things have to be mutual & equal & it would gets disrespectful (towards me) if not that way, & everyone knows nobody gets things like "Loyalty" etc etc in a relationship these days so I wouldn't want to give it to anyone in that context & since it's in my nature to be loyal, the only solution is not to be in a relationship or get into 'family' stuff!

[macdaddy36]

Yes they do exist but they are either in a relationship or they aren't the girls you'll meet out at a bar. But there are a lot more women now days that expect to be catered too honestly its best to look for a independent women pursuing her goals who is truley grateful for what she has in life because if she values her self and others she will be less likely to have that housewife desire and if she is independent she should want to provide an equal share in the relationship and be truly grateful for her partner

[Anonymous]

If you consider the fact that the definition of each of those points might differ from person to person, then, yes.

A healthy and successful family isn't determined by the standards of society, because what works for you and yours might not keep mine stable.

Loyalty is relative, because people change. When people grow and change, so to do their needs, and that means that friends will grow apart. Sometimes, people are forced into things that can shape them into an unhealthy and toxic person. You might have to use tough love and cut them off. Even blood relatives can become toxic and dangerous.

Sorry to get deep and philosophical, but in this day and age, no one really probes beyond the surface anymore, they only care about what's readily available on the screen.

[hasrett]

Of course there are.
It's just that those who aren't are always more noticeable.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Hey hasrett 😘

[hasrett]

Hey PoliceLiveMatter. 😘

[DiegoO]

Hey hasrett.. (O. O)

[PoliceLivesMatter]

She’s mine Diego!!!

[DiegoO]

Let her decide... Hasrett! It's me or him... Don't make me have to stay with my cup of coffe... I love my coffee..

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[SovietBall]

@DiegoO
@PoliceLivesMatter

I'll send both of you to the gulag if you keep on fighting like that!

[doogo]

Blame our parent's generation for (as a whole) not teaching us the right way. It was up to them and they decided to fuck it up with the men not teaching us to be men and the women didn't teach their daughter (s) how to be a lady. This is why our generation is half way fucked and now we are having kids far before we are ready because we feel that we have to rush every damn thing. Then we start having regrets and separation/divorce steps in and leaves broken families. If we don't change its only going to get worse for the little ones out there. They are looking up to us and what ever we do, they will do. History repeating as we speak.

[angelin]

My man classifies me as a high quality women. I’m lucky he happens to be a high quality man too.
I assume most of the “high quality’s” are taken. But it’s true to be said about men... where are all the high quality men? Now a days... I just blame bad examples of media, adult entertainment that we see at a young age and tinder.

[VaIiant]

I actually pride myself on being ridiculously loyal, and loyalty is the #1 thing I value in any friendship/relationship. I truly believe it’s the most important quality, and have always stuck up for my friends. (To extreme lengths, I’ve gotten in lots of trouble for it oops). I’ve been known to end good friendships and relationships simply because the other person doesn’t meet the standard of loyalty I require.

[Natalie11299]

I am one of those people. I’m real and I don’t take bullshit from people. I’m probably one of the most loyal people you’ll ever meet, especially when it comes to my family and people I truly love. I consider myself smart and strong with good morals and values too. I will never betray my family. Family is everything.

[CoolioJulio1]

Yes. I am dating one. I do not believe it is because of the loss of tradition and values. I believe it is a mix of bad psychology and "gimme-gimme" pop-culture. They are out there. Just loosen up and go with the flow of things. Don't expect a perfect relationship from anyone. Trying too hard to nail one down will just keep disappointing you.

[Jaye234]

There are women like that out there. Most like myself are already taken though.

[CandacePerry]

It rare to find a loyal woman. I been though a lot of shit with guys in college. Most them are all player only looking for short term relationship . I am Very loyal , honest , supportive and gamer. it rare to find a loyal men. met my current boyfriend of facebook.

[Arbalest]

Probably the majority of women are like this. But they aren’t the hot sluts most guys wish they could get, so they don’t count. Hey, women do it too. Only the hot guys count. The rest of that sexes population gets the label of whatever bad things the top 1% of attractive people do.

But I would say society as a whole has sort of lost its way. And that’s the cause of the problem. It’s not women, it’s not men. But my opinion on what is wrong will probably make people mad lol.

[PrincessPie]

Yes, i know i'm extremely loyal person, so there are still people out there with good morals and value.

[disgustingweebtrash]

I agree

[PrincessPie]

well you know me personally so you should :P

[NineBreaker]

I'm sure there are, and I think that their numbers have actually increased since the past. However, their proportion decreased. That's not particularly unique to women, but this is a problem with men as well. If you're looking for a good spouse, you'll end up sifting through through a much bigger haystack for the same number of needles.

I think it's a generational problem. I think a lot of people are being raised to be a bunch narcissistic assholes who only seek immediate gratification.

[Keepitloud]

Hell motherfucking no there isn't any loyal bitches any more. Remember all females are bitches and all bitches are hoes , any motherfucker that wants to argue that is a moron. Any women born pre 1980 are not necessarily hoes but all women born in my generation and after all have some kind of angle or some kind of play and you can bet your ass on that

[PupBoy18]

Oh you are just so charming. Really a wonder why the classy women avoid you.

[Keepitloud]

Did you not get what I was saying. CLASSY women are gone , they might as well make that a few chapters in our children's history books.

[MzAsh]

Did it ever occur to you that there are classy women but maybe they aren’t attracted to you with your negative attitude?

[Afrochick]

Maybe stop calling us "bitches and hoes"LOL

[PupBoy18]

I hate to let you in on this little secret, but classy women are attracted to classy men. I'd say you have a defeciency in class. Try drinking milk. Or not leaving your house. ✌️✌️✌️

[Keepitloud]

Did you say something , I'm sorry , besides in order to offend me I would first have to care what you think.

[MzAsh]

Lol thought provoking tumblr quote

[tiny2013]

Girls like this definitely exist. It’s how me and a majority of my friends are. But the crazy thing is most of us get overlooked these days and often feel discouraged because it seems like we’re not the type many guys want, at least not right now.

[NucDylan]

Just remember that some people want short relationships, so by definition that means there will be more of those relationships. It happens more, and is therefore seen more, but they're not higher quality relationships. It's all about what those particular people want, maybe it's just the wrong places to look? I don't know

[Elaine446]

Yes there are. I for one would say that I'm "high quality " I am very loyal to the ones I love, and care about. I always put others first, and myself last. But for others these kind of assets are "out of date " so that's probably why you don't see very many women that are high quality.

[Astria]

I'm one. It's difficult to find a high quality man these days though, one that doesn't watch porn for example. I think most men want loyalty without putting an effort in a relationship. No thanks.

[hawk12492]

What's wrong with porn?

[Astria]

@hawk12492 Everything is wrong with porn.

[rutare]

If you are a smoking hot woman and willing to offer yourself each time he wants.. I don't think he needs porn.. if otherwise.. it's like I'd be asking if there is any girl that doesn't want a rich and romantic prince charming... because everything is wrong with prince charming

[Astria]

@rutare

What are you even talking about?

If a guy doesn't respect me and demands sex, I wouldn't want to a douche like that.

I you don't want your mom doing porn, you shouldn't be watching porn. It's unethical in every way, it's degrading, it exploits trafficking women, it promotes violence, pedophilia, incest. It causes 1/4 of all divorces, it creates untrue myths about what women want, kids now have access to that. It desensitizes men to the real thing. I could go on...

Any guy that supports all that is NOT prince charming, he is an immoral person. I don't have to cater to any man.

[rutare]

Ok bye

[Hungry_Shark]

Its rare.
Feminism has turned women into sluts.
Loyalty means nothing to a woman now.
She only cares about her and her pleasure, she doesn't give a fuck about the ego and respect of her man
If she is not satisfied she will just go out and get laid.

No wonder, men prefer to go Mgtow.

[Afrochick]

But who is fucking these sluts? MEN

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@Afrochick I guess I can only say that the dynamic isn't so much any one gender's particular fault.

[MzAsh]

They just aren’t attracted to you because you behave like this.

[TheFlak38]

In Western world you can forget that.
"healthy succsesful family"
Why would a woman in the West choose to do this when she has the freedom to do whatever she wants and elevate her social status to the stars just because she has a vagina? Unless she wants to show off.

[RoadRunner650]

Some of these girls are higher quality but their loyalty will always be questioned because they're looking out for themselves just like a man would.. and while some girls are high-quality others are quite the opposite they got a lot worse just like men..

[TheChocolateWriter]

I have many high-quality personality traits but when it comes to looks, I'm working on that.
BUT I"M LOYAL AF

[Moonchild714]

More than you know. We attract what we put out there!!!

[pointlessly]

No. They need did exist. Women just weren't able to get away with as much so publicly before.
Nothing's changed. Women are still manipulative psycho's fucking anything that walks and feeds into their bullshit.

And men are still dumbasses who don't even understand their own dicks.

[Saoirse1122]

Feminocapitalism is pushing women in the direction of misandrism. The way things are going, they will all be hookers. It is a logical consequence of the amount of choice they have on dating websites and the promotion of prostitution as a right and the promotion of men as despicable. It is going back to pre-societal days where harems were the norm except it is socioeconomically and geopolitically influenced by money.

[Eevee2026]

I consider myself one. But I do get where you are coming from. Most of the girls I've dated have been the opposite. It seems there are less high quality loyal women but they are still out there. Just harder to find or are taken.

[martyfellow]

Those cultural values today are found mainly in small town girls among the native born, but in the USA, in the urban majority, almost entirely among Asian women, or the unassimilated Latinas.

The mainstream are corporate hustlers of various types.

[brokengreenthumb]

Yes. Indeed. I do believe many of these women have been in unfortunate relationships and often withdraw from the dating scene. In my experience a person of good character will focus on work or project or charity to keep socially stimulated.

[IrishKindaGuy]

I wonder about the same think my friend. That's why I don't really open up too women for much women. I feel it to be a waste of my time. Here's a quote I came up with that I stand by... "If I don't see a future, I don't see a point".

[karahiri]

Sure. Might be hard to find all of that in one person but they exist. I don't know if it's more rare now or not- things were quite different responsibility-wise decades back.

[JohnLaurens]

Of course! It depends on the personality really. Some girls are always loyal and Won’t cheat on you if your life depended on it. But others, will cheat if they see a hot guy walking down the street for being ‘High Quality’ some Girls are but you Can’t have the standards for girls too high otherwise you can’t find any because nobody is perfect. So it depends on the girl really.

[Djaay]

I set my standards as high , regardless of others. This attracts the same in return. It weeds out those not holding to its paridims, and attracts those interested in same value composition. It starts with who ever is advertising , and ends with who ever's attracted.

[Sienna-Rose]

Yes, they’re usually taken though or they’re saving themselves for a high quality man.

[littlebutswole]

saving myself for a high quality man!

[nah999]

Good for you.

[littlebutswole]

@nah999 thank you!

[Djaay]

Through my experience , this is quite true.

[nah999]

Welcome 👌

[Sienna-Rose]

Best way to be 🙂

[9teen]

Blame sexual liberation.

The type of women you're looking for aren't hanging out in clubs or bars and there is a big chance that many of the few are taken.

[Trentonator]

I would say of course... But I would also say that the number of "Quality women" out there will always be equal to the number of "quality men..." Be the change you want to see fellas!

[Toad-1]

I require my women to be built with the best quality stainless steel out there

[nah999]

I'd like to order the same please lol

[pawprints]

There are probably MORE women as you described today.

You know what tho, having strong moral beliefs & loyalty, actually isn't all that popular a lot of the time.

[Djaay]

And what's that have to say about the majority of people ?

[CubsterShura]

Such women exist but they choose to keep themselves low-profile and low-key so most people don't even notice them.

[Markasaurous]

If there are good men there will be good women, and the opposite it true. If you are wondering, so are they, and there is good women out there, but they are as hard to find as a good man out there.

[joshctlee]

Well these woman are definitely not as common as they used to be, and it’s only getting worse..

I blame kardi b and the Kardashian’s

[PupBoy18]

The fact you are asking this indicates you have some deep seeded misogyny that probably pushes the women you are seeking away from you.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

How is this misogyny?

[PupBoy18]

"are there any high quality loyal women today" is insulting to every woman you've ever met. You're also going to play dumb? My guy you're not unlucky, you're just shitty.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Did you not see my criteria for what constitutes a high quality loyal woman to me? Based on my experiences and shifts in society, it’s not unreasonable to make the assumption that there aren’t a lot of women fitting this description nowadays

[PupBoy18]

It's a very unreasonable assumption. Maybe you need to search in different places.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Again, based on shifts in society and my experience, it’s not unreasonable. If you’ve paid attention to social outlets in this day in age, you’ll know what I’m talking about. It would seem that there is a deviation away from traditional core values that mark a high quality person and more inclination towards entitlement, casualness, and irresponsibility even.

[PupBoy18]

Lol *paid attention to social outlets* I'm out at the club every weekend meeting incredible men and women.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I’m sure you are

[PupBoy18]

Where do you meet women?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Everywhere you can think of

[PupBoy18]

I'm sure you are.

[Satine]

when people refer to women as "high quality" i hear "i'm an insecure red pill shitbag," is my babel fish broken? help?

[PolitesaurusPecs]

He defined what he meant by high-quality. Why you gotta be so mean?

[hawk12492]

I think your translator works fine, but you may be confusing high quality with loyal. I only hear assholes loudly requiring women to be loyal rather than respecting their agency as people

[Satine]

@PolitesaurusPecs naw bro i keep hearing it the same, perhaps because human aren't products or thoroughbred horses and labeling them as "high" or "low" quality is sick.

[Satine]

@hawk12492 nope it's all gross and dehumanizing.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

80% of divorce is done by women.

[Satine]

@PolitesaurusPecs what on earth is your point? fyi most of the domestic violence us perpetrated by males so maybe that explains the irrelevant divorce stat, eh?

[PolitesaurusPecs]

The point is clear. I don't need to explain it. Your defensiveness and hostility is a good illustration. Thank you.

[Onidandal]

The domestic violence stat is skewed because guys don't report domestic violence that happens to them as often.

Also, as a race, when HAVEN'T we dehumanized one another? We've constantly done that to the other side of any conflict, and even the generalizations that I see in this comment section label all men as abusive shitstains who only care about their own ego. How is that NOT dehumanizing?

I can easily go ahead and dehumanize you. Watch: All women go for abusive assholes because they display power that other guys don't have, so he is seen as attractive regardless of his other qualities.

Feel awful, yet? Want to stab me in the eye? Imagine the feeling we get when women tell us that we only want subservient women, and we have such massive egoes that must be curbed. We're all potential abusers who are incapable of love, right? It stops feeling like I'm a human, in their eyes.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

80% of broken families are caused by women. This is not loyalty and never will be.

[Satine]

there are so many logical fallacies there it's almost impressive. grossssssss.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

I don't have the time to educate you. Goodbye.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

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[Satine]

@PolitesaurusPecs clearly. you can barely educate yourself.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

80% of broken families are caused by women. Let that sink in.

[Satine]

@PolitesaurusPecs got a peer reviewed article for that? it's not my job to prove your misinformation for you.

[CT_CD]

"loyal women"

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[fay23]

Yes they do exist, but it depends on where you look and what those moral beliefs are. Date around a bit and try to be open minded i think you'll find someone pretty quick.

[fay23]

How often do you date and where do you look for the type of woman you want?

[rareasrae]

It’s less prevalent but there are a couple remaining, they’re like the outliers of the population it feels like

[jennifer_bloom]

Yes if you go to religious centres and look for woman who care more about serving God or doing humanitarian work then they do about parties or drugs

[Liny-Lin]

Yes there are. It may not seems like it now a days in this generation but they are there. You just have to be patient and you will find her.

[Kuraj]

Everyone is inherently selfish, in the end.
It takes faith, and a lot of luck, finding someone who is inherently selfish in a way that compliments yours.

[Juxtapose]

The more you narrow your standards the less people you will find favorable.

Try to ask yourself if what they have done has hurt anyone.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Well, obviously it should go without saying that if you have standards, you’ll find certain people, perhaps less, favorable. Though, I wouldn’t say that is necessarily a bad thing. Depending on your standards, you can effectively locate and allocate your time towards more favorable and higher quality individuals. Also, just because someone hasn’t hurt anyone with their actions, doesn’t mean they’re a high quality or even good person for that manner. We all need to raise our standards in society to produce better individuals

[acooke-13]

Of course they exist, and there's plenty... You would be stupid to believe there weren't any

[Glipglops]

They're all over the place. Just depends on if your values align.

[Papavera]

I am high quality only for a high quality man which you are not bc you're cheating on me with @BronzedAdonis. 😭

[BronzedAdonis]

he loves it

[bubbles328]

I could say the same about men TBH so maybe it’s just people in general

[SystemOfADome]

Haven't found one yet, but then again I haven't been liking for that long yet

[JDavid25]

Yeah, they exist.. You just gotta look for them real good..