Are there anymore high-quality loyal women today?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

It seems, from my observation, that these types of women aren’t as prevalent today as they were years ago. Could it be the loss of tradition and values? Also, what I mean by high quality and loyal are both described below
High quality:(smart, strong and moral beliefs and values, and wants to establish a healthy and successful family and relationship)
Loyalty:(doesn’t betray her friends and family, never quits on those close to her)

[motownplayer2000]

Haha, you have one way of thinking... Just because someone doesn't fit in your scope of thinking doesn't mean they are less quality. That is a misconception that is born out of not understanding or walking in someone's shoes. There are a ton of good women out there that don't follow "traditions and values" that you follow. That's your way, so follow your way... There are a lot of stuff I don't agree with from people, but unless they have raped or murdered someone, doesn't mean they aren't quality people. Get out more and learn about people and learn there stories, try to open your mind and understand where people are coming from... It may change your perspective... Or it may not, may be as outdated as your thinking...

Plus, love when people also say that traditional values is what's missing... From the same people that brought you baby boomers (you know, people that couldn't stop being Jack rabbits), also Woodstock and the hippie area (orgies and drugs, orgies and drugs) and more hate crimes than you can count... Plus segregation... Sooo... I'm just saying... Redefine your definition of quality.

[AndyGillard]

There are man but i feel ya. That's why I've been single from 26-28. LLR- Love Loyalty Respect. Thats what i can gureentee in a relationship so im not going to bother to bother untill im sure i'll get that in return. Gold diggers seem to be a legit problem too. Someone the type you would least respect.

Advice too any guys with a decent networth, if your looking for a partner try too hide that factor at first. Even if it means driving the daily Toyota too a date and keeping the Porsche in the driveway.

[MzAsh]

I know a lot of women like this, but they don’t put men on a pedestal. They are intelligent, ambitious, and know how to have good relationships with family, friends, and men. They live by their own standards and principles and don’t care what the rest of society think about them.

[MzAsh]

In fact, I’d say there are more high quality women now than their used to be as they are becoming more widely ambitious and assertive.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I wouldn’t say being more ambitious or assertive for women, is necessarily a high quality trait.

[MzAsh]

Why not? I think it’s very important and high quality traits, and I forgot to mention confidence.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Ambitious doesn’t say anything good about a woman, neither does assertiveness. Actually, those qualities don’t say anything good or bad about anyone, men or women. The descriptors of a high quality woman are outlined above in my question. You can be ambitious and assertive, but also be uncaring, disloyal, and selfish.

[MzAsh]

I think confidence, ambition, and assertiveness are what women lacked in previous generations which held them back in life a lot. It’s good to be caring, loyal, and selfless too of course, but I think women have these traits inherently. When they don’t, it’s usually learned.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I’m not entirely sure what you mean when you say that women were held back in life a lot in the past. Studies show, that women today are much more unhappy than women in the past. Maybe the shift or change wasn’t an entirely good thing for women

[MzAsh]

Are saying women shouldn’t be ambitious, or assertive or confident?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

No, I’m not. I’m saying, those traits aren’t necessarily good traits or even traits that always indicate a high quality woman.

[MzAsh]

Being caring, loyal, and selfless aren’t necessarily good traits either if one is neglecting their own self care.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I always thought of it liked this: Would I want an assertive partner, or a caring and loyal one? What would everyone else say? I think most would inherently think of caring, loyal, and selfless as GOOD traits but wouldn’t necessarily extend that belief to assertiveness and being ambitious. Those are more neutral if anything. Of course you can always find the extremes and then being caring, loyal, and selfless would be detrimental, but those are the extremes and the exceptions but not the norms.

[MzAsh]

You describe a wife, not necessarily a high quality woman in other ways.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

No, I describe a high quality person, woman specifically.

[MzAsh]

Lol ok. Honestly it sounds more like you want a pet rather than a woman of sound mind.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Because I want a loyal, caring, and selfless woman?

Um... ok

[MzAsh]

But you highlight those traits over everything and anything else, so yes. You described a puppy.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Look at my description above. There’s more than just loyal, caring, and being selfless that constitute a high quality person. All I’m saying is ambition and assertiveness aren’t as likely to be inherently good or received by others to be good, as much as loyal, caring, and selfless are. I think there’s an innate natural/biological reason for that. I never said women couldn’t be that at all.

[MzAsh]

What I know is that I struggled loving a man until I developed in certain ways as a woman. I knew I had to be selfish and take care of my own needs and wants before I could give of myself to someone else. I’ve always been caring and loyal but that didn’t make me a good partner or a good woman.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

If that’s how you feel, ok.

[MlleCake]

Too many men equate putting up with every kind of male nonsense with a smile is the same as high quality.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Honestly, I don’t think that’s the case.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

Nope. You are wrong.

[Astria]

Yeah I agree, lots want a submissive woman who puts up with anything while they watch their porn and whatever else they wanna do.

[MzAsh]

Some men act as if catering to them and making him the center of her universe as high quality.

[PolitesaurusPecs]

Sounds like you have been seeking and attracting the wrong type of men.

[rutare]

Really? We just want a woman to give a shit about us too... not those hoes that only want your money and compliments while they talk to other boys on your back. Stop making excuses about "it's your mistake for not keeping her interested" because I ain't no Clawn and ahe Ain't no kiddo

[Psydchick]

I've been on too many dates where I'm asked to be a girlfriend after the first or second outing. I'd hate to generalize, but out of the last 14 men I've gone on dates with, none actually cared about who I was and asked me about myself, which is why I'm still single. In that space of time, I can only assume I'm liked for my appearance and demeanor but those are shallow qualities at best.

[MlleCake]

@rutare, if you're the kind of man who calls women "hoes" and thinks that there are a lot of them, you're already not the quality man I'd be looking for.

Men of quality don't hold such contempt for women, as a whole.

[On_the_other_hand]

You said "@rutare, if you're the kind of man who calls women "hoes" and thinks that there are a lot of them, you're already not the quality man I'd be looking for.

Men of quality don't hold such contempt for women, as a whole."

And just before you said "Too many men equate putting up with every kind of male nonsense with a smile is the same as high quality."

Sounds like you are having just as much contempt for men as a whole. as you suggest he does for women.

And where did he say he was looking for a girl to put up with nonsense? I think he holds himself to the same standards and good qualities as the women he finds value in.

[azzntittiz]

If it is within a person's nature wouldn't need societal standards to tell them how to behave. I know I am not considered high quality because I'm a whore. But all the high quality women of today are liberated women like myself. The women you will mistake for high quality will hide in church and wait for a man to burden later on in life. She seems submissive because her brain doesn't work, so you'll see what fresh hell awaits you.

I think all the women that would've wanted to cater to a man, be a mother, keep the house, take care of herself, stick by your side, encourage you and show you respect, gave up on that shit when they saw who men truly are. Remember, I became who I am now, after being the perfect girlfriend, I've even been proposed to a few times. I was patient through the bad treatment, cried my eyes out, talked until I was hoarse and nothing.

It's not the 50s anymore, we is free now massa. All the women who want you, are just girls who need you, and that's a bad thing, it means you will be taken advantage of, just like men take advantage of my kind and changed us.

I'd also like to add that my exes male ego, the same shit that keeps ruining their lives, told them to go get married to someone else as soon as I declined and ended up in hot water. She did the things to him what he did to me, *Evil laughter* Muahahahaha!

Instead of changing I'm gonna just show her who's the man, and find a girl who shuts the hell up when I speak, she's gonna have more than a voice after she's trapped you. If someone appears to be taking your shit, they either have low self esteem or have an agenda, either way, it's recipe for an episode of snapped.

[__Ryana__]

I like this mindset of yours!! & Yeah, I'm a believer of same that this moral value thing doesn't have much to do with societal standards but that comes from within & if one is being 'moral' as per societal standards or for the society, there's a huge chance they're faking it. Plus I also have zero tolerance for linking this 'submissive nature' with moral values or good character. It's utter bs that if one is submissive then she is likely to have high moral character or if one is bossy or a rebel then she is likely to have low moral standards.

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ This is what men do not understand, but I think their ego is in the way and that is of their nature, so this will be a never ending battle, I guess.

[__Ryana__]

Lol their loss, we can't help it 😂 let them learn from losses

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ Many fo them never learn, they stay in denial but they know they're wrong. I have witnessed many men disrespect good women and were never happy again, they usually just start to eventually take it out on the new girl, poor thing doesn't know what she's done wrong.

Even though they do treat good women wrong, it's usually a matter of ungratefulness and an ego trip. Sometimes you treat a man so good it goes to his head and he starts thinking it's all about him, but when they marry the wrong person, they get so frustrated and become so bitter, the poor girl suspects he has something on his mind but it's too late for everybody.

[__Ryana__]

I see, it seems they are creating miseries for everyone coz of their own foolishness

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ I am finally understanding why older women say everything is men's fault. of course that's not always true but mostly it is. I've had to deal with incompetent, nasty women men place in power positions so that they sabotage other women.

I used to wonder why it seemed that all women in power are incapable or have a bad attitude. This is because they were placed there to make us look bad, the organisation suffers, good women leave the workplace or look like the problem because we keep complaining.

They also get to say women in the workplace don't make sense because what's left usually really doesn't. I think it's all a big plan to send us back to the old days, because it looks like everything is falling apart. I am not giving up my freedom so they can plot harder.

[__Ryana__]

I am really glad someone saw the bigger picture, Till date I've been assuming that it's my own irrational opinion which should not be taken seriously by myself... I've always been a victim of being mistreated by other girls/ women 😞 & in 9/10 cases, these are the kind of women who are actually 'submissive' but exclusively for men, they'll be so submissive to men but with me, they'd behave so nasty, I've spent years thinking there might be something wrong with me too that majority women hate me & I should find a way to win over them but till date, I have come to no solution! & Guy friends don't understand much of this you know (now I understand it's because it's an advantage to them too that women supressing other women like us, helping them overall)

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ Yeah, it's all rigged against women. I will also have you know that men don't really value women of high quality. They just want access to everyone and for us all to shut up. When you submit to a man knowing you have much to offer, there is a lot at stake. Many times he runs your energy, self esteem, and looks and psyche into the ground. You should be in charge of yourself, not a man, this is why man submissive women lack everything, but the ass kissing skill.

[__Ryana__]

Yeah maybe, although I don't care for men coz they behave rational enough... They know their real place so they don't dare to be unreasonable but my real concern was those nasty unreasonable bitch-behaving (sorry for language) women...

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ I understand, I think strong women need to find like minded support if they're gonna try to survive this. I've come this far by myself and it was really hard especially in a country where women have little rights, I am Jamaican by the way. But for this same reason I stay single.

I did enjoy the revenge of these same women turning on them, and for a moment I was using that to cheer me up. But now I see men trying harder to ruin women like me. They know we're not playing their games, so they crank up the pressure. If I tell you the things men get other women to do to me, sometimes these are men who are in miserable relationships.

They get their miserable submissive worthless of a woman to bully me and he supports her, but I know it's because he can't have me and she can't be me. He knows this will work in his favor, as he gets a pay back for women like me freeing themselves. This is one of the reasons I stay inside until I can do something to change it.

[__Ryana__]

Can we talk in pm?

[azzntittiz]

@__Ryana__ Sure, I'm gonna follow.

[Tr1pQu33n21]

All right. This is not only an issue among women. It is also an issue around men. Why? Because this generation is used to getting what the want now. We drown in instant gratification. Therefore, we have a nasty habit of applying this to all aspects of our lives. It's unfortunate. It is sad. But what we have to do now is fight it. We've acknowledged it. Now it is time to cut the bullshit and realize not everything you get at the touch of a button, or a swipe of a card, or what have you. That relationships take time. Effort. Patience. Commitment. Dedication. Ability to set aside your needs as an individual to assist someone else's in the process. We expect one date to seal the deal. We expect people to behave the way we want because we want them to. But we are all our own people. There are still loyal women out there. There are still loyal men out there. They're hiding. Because they are not interested in developing feelings nor relationships with people who say they want something deep, but only portray something shallow. Instead of pointing fingers, how about we examine ourselves and what we can do? This is a legitimate concern. I am in no way discounting that. But we have to stop blaming others, whining about our own destruction that we made. Now we have to pick up the pieces and grow up. We have to love others the way we love ourselves so that we can soar when we find that "right" person. We are all searching. Let's not make it futile.
Stay up, peeps

[Tr1pQu33n21]

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[ChiChick]

They are out there. Men who can’t find us are not vibrating at the frequency it takes to attract us. My last relationship ended on the note that my standards were too high. I took that as the greatest compliment ever and keep it moving.✌️ I tell women in these situations to never lower your standards/values to satisfy anyone’s insecurities. The “right” people who deserve to be in your life will appreciate who you are and rise to meet you where you are instead of trying to drag you down to their level. There’s always room to grow, get better and add more value to relationships.

[Vmm90]

Loyalty means a lot to me, I'm fiercely loyal even when it isn't returned. I'm always there for those I care about no matter what.

[Sienna-Rose]

Ditto

[Wolfbaby]

I think it's because in todays society we entertain the idea of what can serve us today rather than what can serve us in the future. This creates a mind that's forever chasing what we can have here and now which means decreasing values within people. I have so many friends that can be so selfish at times I wonder how on earth I became friends with them in the first place. The same applies in relationships. Some people just forget it takes two to tango. Have you ever heard of someone trash talking their ex saying it was all their fault? There's always two sides to one story which kind of hints that it can't always be ‘their’ fault. But in conclusion I think the root to this problem is selfishness and not sacrificing enough to those they supposedly love. Because today it's not as frowned upon it you were to get a divorce but back when your grandparents were young it was usually not as accepted by society.

[littlebutswole]

when i love someone, i love someone. i don't feel romantic attraction to anyone else, maybe physical attraction that i would never ever act on. i would do almost anything for the guy i like, he was my best friend (then he got a girlfriend who hates me), and i was his friend because i loved being with him even though it slightly killed me that he didn't feel the same way anymore (apparently i am just dense because he supposedly was in love with me for a while) but i was busy being too scared to admit my feelings in fear of losing him.

but yeah, i am loyal. through thick and thin, never leave a friend behind.

[__Ryana__]

They do exist, at least I know I have that characteristics & can remember a few other women having them, like my sis. Personally, I don't think it's too much to possess, so it doesn't make who possess them special or something, it's just basic moral sense & basic principles that differentiate people from people. So I see no point in tagging as "High Quality" as if others are inferior any way, They're NOT. And I am what I am for myself coz I like being this way, because I find it more comfortable & happy being honest & loyal not for others so thankfully, by grace of God, I DON'T get overshadowed by upsetting thoughts like "There's no sense in Being nice" etc etc when I don't see same in others.

[__Ryana__]

There are many people who have lost faith in being nice coz of same issue, that is they don't see it being returned, they're not wrong either. Plus, your question is wrong, it's not just women who have lost that 'high-quality' trait, PEOPLE in general have lost it over time, men have lost it so have women. Still I challenge you, you'll get to see more of these High Quality people who are women than you can find any man of high quality. And I know a hell lot of women who have lost faith in being 'high quality' especially in case of relationship coz it was a hopeless case they never got same in return.

[__Ryana__]

& asker sorry, just saw your full definition of 'high quality woman' now only & saw that "family & relationship thing" & I'd like to tell that I would never give any of my good side in a relationship because that's where things have to be mutual & equal & it would gets disrespectful (towards me) if not that way, & everyone knows nobody gets things like "Loyalty" etc etc in a relationship these days so I wouldn't want to give it to anyone in that context & since it's in my nature to be loyal, the only solution is not to be in a relationship or get into 'family' stuff!

[macdaddy36]

Yes they do exist but they are either in a relationship or they aren't the girls you'll meet out at a bar. But there are a lot more women now days that expect to be catered too honestly its best to look for a independent women pursuing her goals who is truley grateful for what she has in life because if she values her self and others she will be less likely to have that housewife desire and if she is independent she should want to provide an equal share in the relationship and be truly grateful for her partner

[Anonymous]

If you consider the fact that the definition of each of those points might differ from person to person, then, yes.

A healthy and successful family isn't determined by the standards of society, because what works for you and yours might not keep mine stable.

Loyalty is relative, because people change. When people grow and change, so to do their needs, and that means that friends will grow apart. Sometimes, people are forced into things that can shape them into an unhealthy and toxic person. You might have to use tough love and cut them off. Even blood relatives can become toxic and dangerous.

Sorry to get deep and philosophical, but in this day and age, no one really probes beyond the surface anymore, they only care about what's readily available on the screen.

[hasrett]

Of course there are.
It's just that those who aren't are always more noticeable.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Hey hasrett 😘

[hasrett]

Hey PoliceLiveMatter. 😘

[DiegoO]

Hey hasrett.. (O. O)

[PoliceLivesMatter]

She’s mine Diego!!!

[DiegoO]

Let her decide... Hasrett! It's me or him... Don't make me have to stay with my cup of coffe... I love my coffee..

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[SovietBall]

@DiegoO
@PoliceLivesMatter

I'll send both of you to the gulag if you keep on fighting like that!

[doogo]

Blame our parent's generation for (as a whole) not teaching us the right way. It was up to them and they decided to fuck it up with the men not teaching us to be men and the women didn't teach their daughter (s) how to be a lady. This is why our generation is half way fucked and now we are having kids far before we are ready because we feel that we have to rush every damn thing. Then we start having regrets and separation/divorce steps in and leaves broken families. If we don't change its only going to get worse for the little ones out there. They are looking up to us and what ever we do, they will do. History repeating as we speak.

[angelin]

My man classifies me as a high quality women. I’m lucky he happens to be a high quality man too.
I assume most of the “high quality’s” are taken. But it’s true to be said about men... where are all the high quality men? Now a days... I just blame bad examples of media, adult entertainment that we see at a young age and tinder.

[VaIiant]

I actually pride myself on being ridiculously loyal, and loyalty is the #1 thing I value in any friendship/relationship. I truly believe it’s the most important quality, and have always stuck up for my friends. (To extreme lengths, I’ve gotten in lots of trouble for it oops). I’ve been known to end good friendships and relationships simply because the other person doesn’t meet the standard of loyalty I require.

[Natalie11299]

I am one of those people. I’m real and I don’t take bullshit from people. I’m probably one of the most loyal people you’ll ever meet, especially when it comes to my family and people I truly love. I consider myself smart and strong with good morals and values too. I will never betray my family. Family is everything.

[CoolioJulio1]

Yes. I am dating one. I do not believe it is because of the loss of tradition and values. I believe it is a mix of bad psychology and "gimme-gimme" pop-culture. They are out there. Just loosen up and go with the flow of things. Don't expect a perfect relationship from anyone. Trying too hard to nail one down will just keep disappointing you.

[Jaye234]

There are women like that out there. Most like myself are already taken though.

[Arbalest]

Probably the majority of women are like this. But they aren’t the hot sluts most guys wish they could get, so they don’t count. Hey, women do it too. Only the hot guys count. The rest of that sexes population gets the label of whatever bad things the top 1% of attractive people do.

But I would say society as a whole has sort of lost its way. And that’s the cause of the problem. It’s not women, it’s not men. But my opinion on what is wrong will probably make people mad lol.

[CandacePerry]

It rare to find a loyal woman. I been though a lot of shit with guys in college. Most them are all player only looking for short term relationship . I am Very loyal , honest , supportive and gamer. it rare to find a loyal men. met my current boyfriend of facebook.

[PrincessPie]

Yes, i know i'm extremely loyal person, so there are still people out there with good morals and value.

[disgustingweebtrash]

I agree

[PrincessPie]

well you know me personally so you should :P

[NineBreaker]

I'm sure there are, and I think that their numbers have actually increased since the past. However, their proportion decreased. That's not particularly unique to women, but this is a problem with men as well. If you're looking for a good spouse, you'll end up sifting through through a much bigger haystack for the same number of needles.

I think it's a generational problem. I think a lot of people are being raised to be a bunch narcissistic assholes who only seek immediate gratification.