Look how white people act when it’s the feeling the racism like black people face everyday?

[massb]

So the video is pretty straight forward, she treats the people with blue eyes how everyone treats black people and the people with brown eyes how you should be treated. And they get a taste of it for just an hour and start crying imagine living everyday like this. How would you feel? F. y. i I’m not racist it’s just sad people think there is no racism in the world when we still go through a lot and it gets brushed off. But people wouldn’t be so quick if it happened to them.

https://youtu.be/5NHeFgaVWs8

[Benedek38]

"Haha, look at dumb wipipo getting offended over blatant discrimination!"

Fuck off please! I am SO FUCKING FED UP with being the target of butthurt people of any other race. I am FUCKING FED UP with butthurt niggers (and yes, that's with a hard R, my friend) prattling on about how hard you have it, and how bad the evil white man is.
But don't take it from me, take it from a brotha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vFbsZkhXU&t=2s

Come here, you pussy. I dare you. Come to Eastern Europe. There are only evil wipipo here. The victims of police violence are evil wipipo. The drug addicts are. The homeless too.
In fact the only place you'll find blacks are foreigners in business and university - so technically, around here, you're privileged!
Meanwhile the average salary around here is basically below the US poverty line!

Do me a favour. The next time you think about saying something derogatory about "white people", think about how you'd feel if it said "negro" instead of "white people", or "cracker" or "honkey"!
... You know what? Don't do that. Instead just fucking jump off a bridge, and spare the world of another ignorant asshat.

If I can't call you brother or nigga, if I can't walk in your hood, or listen to your music, just because I am white, does that tell more about me, or you?
I tried to bridge this gap. I've been a metalhead for years, and when I heard there are South African metal bands, I started listening to a few of them just for fun, because I loved that there was something bridging the gap between your people and mine. And yet all I see is "dumb whyte boi!", "stupid whyte boy!", "you ain't shit, cracka!", etc... well, fuck you!

I am done here. But I'll tell you this. If the Ku Klux Klan's membership will start increasing in the next few years - YOU did that. YOU caused that by being an ignorant, racist piece of shit!
So fuck you, you charcoal faced bitch-ass nigga!

[massb]

Lmfaooo , did I say cracker in my post? Or did I point out that white people have privilege? All she did was basically show white people how black people are treated on a daily basis and your mad 😂😂I’m not offended because your a keyboard warrior. Funny how you don’t get discriminated against yet your mad

[massb]

Saying white privilege is not a derogatory term? Or a racist term. Saying that you have white privilege is not being racist. And acknowledging that you have it doesn’t mean your racist. But I can clearly see you are from your reply. Also if you say it in a song why would we get mad most of us don’t care.

[massb]

Again white privilege is not about money or school. Yes white people tend to have more money but that’s not what it is about. It’s about the fact that you can go outside and face little to no discrimination just based on your skin colour. You don’t get followed home by the cops or accused of shit that you didn’t do.

[massb]

Also lmfao I agree with Chris rock

[Benedek38]

"Lmfaooo , did I say cracker in my post?"
Does it matter? Does it matter if you don't say the slur, but you still hate people based on the color of their skin? Are you ANY LESS of a racist scumbag? No. You're just a racist scumbag in the costume of a normal person.

"Or did I point out that white people have privilege?"
Actually you did, in the comments several times.

"All she did was basically show white people how black people are treated on a daily basis and your mad"
No, I am mad because you are still pushing this racism agenda. The clip you showed was made in 1992, that is, 27 years ago. YOU WEREN'T EVEN ALIVE BACK THEN.

And yes, I AM mad, because dumb negros like yourself can't get past their own skin color, and become productive members of society. "Wah-hah muh racist police, hub whyte privilege" get the fuck out of here! Statistics show rednecks face as much police discriminations as blacks. And even if there IS discrimination - here's some news. You want me to help what that? Huh? Then don't fucking insult me! I know, crazy right? You're a bitch with LITERALLY EVERYONE, and then you're surprised that people are mad at you! Just pathetic. You little bitch.

"I’m not offended because your a keyboard warrior."
Said the n** who has accomplished nothing in life, and just bitches about discrimination. In a fucking country where historically there wasn't even discrimination. You're a joke, you know that, right?

"Funny how you don’t get discriminated against"
I do get, glad you asked. I get discriminated against because I am ugly. Because I am male. Because I am short. Because I am introverted. Because I dress the way I do. Because I have been a social outcast since I have known myself. And the only reason police doesn't discriminate against me or anyone else around here is because police is literally useless here - there's like 10 cops in a 35000 people town. There's literally no money for police stops.

[cont]

[Benedek38]

But of course you can't see that, because you are obsessed with your own fucking race, and how bad you have it.

Again, if you want to end discrimination, you have to treat people the way you wish to be treated - that is, not to be racist and bigoted. And if you don't do that - don't be surprised when people think "that's just another crazy negro".

[massb]

I’m not racist I know how it feels and the reason she did that is so people can open their eyes so that people will stop doing it. The younger generation isn’t racist but the older generation is. I see it all the time the looks I get and when I sit somewhere people move or try to cover their purse. I try smiling but it doesn’t work. I yell at people because they are being ignorant like you and won’t take accountability for their actions

[massb]

Who’s the one with the kkk black people or white people?

[Benedek38]

"I’m not racist I know how it feels and the reason she did that is so people can open their eyes so that people will stop doing it."
You don't get it, do you? I don't care about your stupid clip.
I care about the fact that HERE YOU ARE AGAIN, BITCHING ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE. There's ALWAYS someone bitching about evil white people. And I have never done shit to you. I have never owned slaves, in fact, the only slaves were my ancestors - slaves of Turkish people. And whatever economic privilege my family could have had - gone due to socialism.

My problem isn't your clip. My problem is that you are STILL HARASSING ME WITH THIS SHIT.
WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST? JUST TO BE ANNOYING? WHAT CAN I DO TO SHUT YOU UP? You want my privilege? I have 2000 HUF in my pocket, and another 40000 in my bank account. That's roughly... 150 dollars. Suck privilege, much wow. But I'll give half of it to you if you and other people like you stop being fucking annoying and harassing me about my race!

write me a "nigga certificate", and I'll pay off my privilege! Then I can show my nigga passport to the brothas in the hood, and when Kendric Lamar calls me up on stage, and you boo me for saying nigga, I'll just hold up my official black certificate. Sounds good?

You are like religious fundamentalist. God is in the details. Racism is in the details. No it isn't.

"The younger generation isn’t racist but the older generation is."
So then STOP. ANNOYING. ME. WITH. IT.

"I see it all the time the looks I get and when I sit somewhere people move or try to cover their purse."
What a coincidence! I do too! But I am not black... just ugly and dressed in old clothes, because I can't afford better.

"I try smiling but it doesn’t work." Ditto

"I yell at people because they are being ignorant like you and won’t take accountability for their actions" I hope you recognize the irony in what you just said.

[Benedek38]

"Who’s the one with the kkk black people or white people?"
The KKK has zero members in my country...
Also, how about the Black Liberation Army? The Black Panthers? There are a whole array of movements centered around how awesome black people are, and how shitty white people are. So dare to tell me how bad the KKK is!!! But the KKK hasn't killed anyone as far as I am aware of, since the 1960s. You can't say the same about BLA and the BP.

[massb]

Lool dawg I’m not blaming anyone all I’m saying is I want fair treatment that’s it

[massb]

Is that so hard? White people are not evil I never said that but the more people not that racism exist maybe the less it will happen

[massb]

Know that *

[massb]

Well you didn’t watch he clip so how can you even write a response?

[Benedek38]

"I’m not blaming anyone all I’m saying is I want fair treatment that’s it"
Yeah. Me too. So when you accuse me of being accomplice to something when my ancestors have been on the opposite side of the northern hemisphere for the last 500(!!!) years (yeah, we have the family tree), JUST because I have a similar skin color to a small minority of people I have zero contact with... Well, then I feel like that is not fair.

"Is that so hard? White people are not evil I never said that but the more people not that racism exist maybe the less it will happen"
Well, if white people are not evil, then stop trying to make them feel shit about themselves. Constant negative feedback can lead to two things.
1) the individual becoming weak willed and guilt-ridden.
2) The individual becoming angry over the perceived (and in this case, real) injustice they are being subjected to, and will lash out even harder just to say "fuck you!".

Feminists have successfully converted me into a misogynist. Don't make me a racist by bashing me for something I am not responsible for.

"Well you didn’t watch he clip so how can you even write a response?"
I watched part of it. I have seen this shit a billion times, and I am sick of the lecturing. You don't have to break my skull with a pickaxe to make me sympathize with brain tumor patients and want to help them. If you are angry, be angry. I am angry at women all the time. But then admiy that your abger is irrational, and that you know it is wrong.

[massb]

So has this happened to you?

https://youtu.be/817n6l5mrkM

Because it’s happened to me a lot of times and that’s the difference

[massb]

Also why are you bringing up slavery when I didn’t? I’m saying there are racist people in the world and your trying to say because you aren’t that there are none

[massb]

I’m not saying every white person is but there are a lot that have prejudice and I’ve seen it myself I go through it every fucking day

[Benedek38]

I've seen that clip. It is appalling. No, it hasn't happened to me, but it doesn't happen to most people around here - police presence is very little im general.

Just to clarify - I am in favour of clearing up the police and limiting their rights. I have been tricked and lied to by policemen before, and I have learned fr that mistake. I as skeptical of law enforcement as one can get.

"Also why are you bringing up slavery when I didn’t?"
Fair enough.

"I’m saying there are racist people in the world and your trying to say because you aren’t that there are none"

No. I am saying that the majority of people aren't, and those people, like myself, probably don't take kindly to being talked down to.

"I’m not saying every white person is but there are a lot that have prejudice and I’ve seen it myself I go through it every fucking day"
Yeah, well, prejudice is just that. I don't like it either, and I hope it gets better over time. I get judged quite often myself. If I could make prejudice go away, I would. But I can't. We are running circles, and it just gets me more agitated.

[massb]

Okay happy that we agree now man and yea I know it sucks. And yea what happened in the clip happens to me at least 3 times a week. I’ve got the cops called on me for waiting for my girlfriend outside. While the fucking lady say me ring the doorbell and see my girlfriend tell me to sit for a second

[Benedek38]

I don't know if it happens THAT often, but even if it doesn't, if it happens enough that it is a nuisance, obviously that is an issue. Just be productive in addressing the issue next time😀

[Karthik_1411]

A good moral of life😇

[massb]

Thank you ✊🏿

[Porcelaine]

Racism against black people never gets brushed off anymore. Maybe 50 years ago, but not today. Today if anyone even suspects you are a racist, they lose a lot of respect for you. And by the way all kinds of discrimination exist against white people, there are plenty of them who have to put up with this. Noone simply cares, so perhaps why you never hear about it. But I see it happen often. I hope that makes you happy that a white person who was never racist in their lives get discriminated for no reason.

[massb]

Well that happens to us all the time and still does. But does anyone care no, instead we get killed in the streets so what they see how we feel for one hour and they cried imagine living your whole life like that. But that video wasn’t a good example this one is a bit better.

https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[Porcelaine]

who lives their whole life like that today? who? racism against black people is no longer allowed anywhere. white people get shot for nothing too, it's just not as glorified in the news, black victim these days is more of a victim than a white person. people care a lot more if racism happens agains black people. NOONE cares if white people get discriminated against because most people think that doesn't exist.

[massb]

I do , let me ask you something have the cops followed you home for weeks at a time even though you’ve done nothing wrong? Have you been falsely assumed of a crime you didn’t commit , have you been racial profiled everytime you enter a store? You think that because he’s not happening to you and I’m not saying that white people get discriminated against but be real it hardly happens.

[Porcelaine]

not hardly, I see it happen ALL THE TIME. I am sorry if those things REALLY happened to you and you did nothing wrong, but just assuming these things only happen to black people is being very biased.

[massb]

I’m not saying only I’m saying mostly maybe 25 or 30 % of the time it happens to white people but 70-75% of the time it happens to us. And yes it happened even on my way to school some mornings they would say why are you biking so fast I’m like I’m late for school wtf yet any friend who is white was going faster than me but they stopped me on a fucking bike

[massb]

https://youtu.be/tyFLMJ0qPn8

[massb]

Just watch that and you’ll see that white privilege is true. If it wasn’t a real thing then it wouldn’t be on the news

[Porcelaine]

''If it wasn’t a real thing then it wouldn’t be on the news''? oh dear. you must really naive to believe everything on the news. don't you know how media manipulate things. white privilege existed decades ago. NOT anymore

[massb]

If things have changed then I’d agree with you , but I bet you didn’t even watch it. I don’t believe everything on the news but I did my research for months on this.

[Porcelaine]

I watched the beginning and it was nothing new. I bet you did your research. Completely ignoring the non black people experiencing the same problems. or not hearing about them at all, because if a white person even dares to speak up or complain, they immediately get shut down by people like you who scream white privilege and ignoring the fact that they just experienced the same thing.

[massb]

I’m not fucking saying that didn’t you just see me say some of you go through it to🤔I’m saying that white people dont get judged on the same level we do and if you guys want to speak up idc if you have a problem say something no one is stopping you. Just because you have white privilege doesn’t mean your racist or I’m racist. It’s just that you have it a bit easier. I showed you three fucking video proving that it does yet you never showed anything to support your facts. Even white people have admitted it. It’s not to do with money it’s to do with you being able to live without getting judged right away and getting judged on your character not on your skin colour. If someone said I had black privilege I’d say now and listen to what they say then tell them if it’s true or not. I won’t just disregard what they say and say oo we have it worse. Also I never said that racism was right to anyone all I’m saying is that we have it more on a larger scale. And that you people made the kkk to kill us off. So that’s okay right because you guys don’t do anything wrong. I sit and watch how the white school shooters shot up schools and the cops don’t even shoot them, they handcuff them and take them away. But they shoot a black man that they stop at a traffic stop for no reason so that’s fair right?

[massb]

Also you say you guys face injustices so what do you face? That’s worse or equal to what blacks and Mexicans face?

[Porcelaine]

First of all, you need to show me specific videos of shooting, so I can see if they had the chance to arrest the black man at the traffic light or if they had a chance to shoot white people at school without accidentally shooting anyone else like the children. I cannot show you a video, because as I said, white people are not allowed to whine about this. but I do not need to watch yours either because I see white people getting beat up just for being white, not getting a job, JUST because they come from a certain country, or getting stopped at airports JUST because they looked suspicious from their tattoos. and I see black people being racist to them without anyone blinking an eye. your video does not prove anything, it's a handful of people talking, who are they to decide how the rest of white population is treated.

[Porcelaine]

If you respond, I will reply tomorrow. It's late here

[RolandCuthbert]

@massb

And this is why I don't get you at all. You are arguing with an American woman about racism. As though you and she understand it and experience it in the same way. I am African-American. We live an ocean of racism. It is ever present. You worry constantly about the younger members of your family being profiled, being followed around in stores, etc. You try your best to educate them and tell them about how things are. But you are terrified, because you know them as people. My niece is just outspoken. She doesn't understand racism the way I do. And she is getting her Doctorate in Psychology. She doesn't take to being talked down to, mocked, or stereotyped. We didn't raise her in that kind of environment.

So you are always worried when she goes out and get into new situations because the consequences could be deadly.

You don't have to deal with that. "Black" Canadians don't have to deal with that. In fact, the majority of racism in Canada does not involve "Black" people at all. Since not only are "Black" Canadians not the largest non-"White" group in Canada, they have never been the largest non-"White" group in Canadian history.

You keep posting these videos about the American experience. You don't think Americans have seen the videos? You would be way more effective talking about your experience with racism as a Canadian and how racism works in Canada.

I am not saying people you are arguing with would understand. But there are those who came here to learn. And you are not helping them by withholding your specific experiences. Do you have any as a "Black" Canadian man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihX6TCYVOJ4

[massb]

@procelaine lol so your basically saying that no matter how much videos I show you and information that I give you , it wouldn’t matter because you care about emotion more than facts. Also I said that they shoot black men and traffic stops when they weren’t shooting at all. While white people just get a warning then go about their business. I don’t expect you to see it because your don’t go through what we go through. ONCE AGAIN I NEVER SAID THAT YOU DONT GO THROUGH IT. Racism to anyone is wrong. I gave you my experiences , video proof and you just brush it off because you don’t want to take any information into consideration. So yea you guys go through it worse and we’re just whinnng. I’m done talking to you

[massb]

@ronaldcuthbert if you read my replies you’d see that I told everyone what I went through. That cops follow me home and one time there was a rapist in our area who was Chinese but they came after me. And went after some of my black friends and I asked my white and Asian friends if they got questioned and they said no. I got followed in stores all the time no matter how I’m dressed. Who said I was talking about the American experience? I was talking on a global scale and thats one of the most effective videos I found. And obviously they won’t understand, even dr Phil said white people can't and won’t understand because they’ve been living normal their whole life so because it’s not happening to them they think it’s not happening. Also wtf does me being Canadian have to do with anything

[massb]

Also @ronaldcutbert and who said I’m worrying about younger members of my family I’m talking about over all. Why are you making presumptions?

[massb]

Also @ronaldcutburt what does that video have to do with anything? Yea they face racism but we do to.

[Porcelaine]

''I’m not saying only I’m saying mostly maybe 25 or 30 % of the time it happens to white people but 70-75% of the time it happens to us'' first of all, where did you get these specific numbers. and even if they were true, are you telling me these 25% to 30% don't matter? the point is that even if a white person goes out at night in a wrong neighborhood it can happen to them, so they are not that safe either. besides, I want to know the ratio between white people living in US and those who end up in crime scenes, versus black people living US and how many of them end up in crime scenes. yes I get how offensive and frustrating it might be to get followed or immediately suspected when you did nothing wrong, but black men do not end up on the crime scenes by accident.

[massb]

If I show you the numbers your not going to believe it anyways so? I’ve showed you proof you still haven’t shown me anything so I’m done with this convo you can talk to yourself now

[Porcelaine]

you did not show me any proof. you showed me bunch of videos of the same people talking. that is not proof. I want actual numbers. my experiences were in real life and not documented, so there is nothing I can show you.

[RolandCuthbert]

@massb So I get your response and you didn't read a word I posted. I know what you said. But you are Canadian. Dude, your experience with racism is completely different than the average African-American. So why do you post videos about the American experience?

That is a simple question. One that you should be able to respond to.

I don't know much about Canada, but here a rundown of what I have gathered.

1. Racism against "Blacks" even isn't the biggest issue.

2. Racism against the indigenous is.

3. "Blacks" in Canada are far from being the poorest or most disadvantaged.

Our experiences are fundamentally different and yet you keep trying to claim you can use American sources to make your point.

Use Canadian ones.

As for your second post to me, again, you didn't read a single word I typed.

[massb]

@ronaldcutburt I’ll send you two videos
https://youtu.be/6DXKfs9xG9A

[massb]

And I think it’s very ignorant of you saying that since the states is a little worse that I don’t face it at all when I fucking do

[massb]

@ronaldcutburt this has happened to me many times
https://youtu.be/FzZ0ltuMgzc

But all I’m saying is white people do not go through this

[massb]

This has also happened to me countless times aswell but your going to disregard everything I say again right because it’s not enough for you?

https://youtu.be/817n6l5mrkM

[RolandCuthbert]

Okay, so you don't understand how the first video is something that happens everyday in the U. S. and it won't make the news.

[RolandCuthbert]

The second video I know too well. Since it is of a "Black" Republican operative who was canvassing the neighborhood for a campaign.

That again is in the U. S.

So are you claiming that this happened to you many times in Canada?

[RolandCuthbert]

@massb If you face this all the time in Canada, then provide Canadian sources. I have looked at Canadian sources. And racism against black people (no quotes) in Canada pales in comparison to the U. S.

Canada isn't perfect. It has a lot of issues. But its approach is much more mature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNdRScaMPyo

[massb]

Do you fucking hear your self you basically saying I can’t show a similar video of what happens to me on a daily basis because it happened in the us get over yourself. And just because something won’t make your news your just going to throw it out right that’s basically what your saying I’m honestly done with you.
Just because something happened to someone in the us your saying it can happen to me right that’s basically what your saying that’s the dumbest thing I ever heard.

[massb]

You also said you wanted a Canadian video and I fucking sent you one then you say ooo if it was the us it wouldn’t make news but yet the American one I sent you wasn’t on the news it was a black man get followed by the cops which has happened to me many times. So your saying no matter what experiences I faced that just because they face that in a different country, which is basically our neighbor, your going to disregard it. Canada is not that far from the us just saying

[RolandCuthbert]

You are so upset, you are not even making sense anymore.

My point is clear. If you are in Canada, stop comparing your experience to what is happening i the U. S.

My second point is, you are obviously misrepresenting the Canadian experience.

Try to respond to those two points if you can.

[massb]

Yes I’m fucking pissed because your saying I can’t show you a video of a similar experience of what happen to me because it happened in the states. But it still fucking happened to me so your saying oo you don’t have proof if it so it didn’t happen?

[massb]

You don’t even know what happens here so how can you say I’m misrepresenting Canada it your not from here and you don’t know what the fuck is happening here. If happens to me all the time , next time it happens I’ll just video tape it and fucking show you you bastard then.

[RolandCuthbert]

And when you post a video about an American experience, I told you before, it is misleading.

Because African--Americans, in the United States have a specific experience. I am quite certain the experiences of African-descended folks in Canada is different. And I don't understand why you are reluctant to talk about those differences.

[massb]

You said why I’m reluctant to talk about those differences? Because there are none the only difference is you guys have right to bare arms and we don’t. So that’s why we have less shootings. But just because I see a black man getting racial profiled which is what happens to me all the time. Your saying I can’t share that because the experience is different but you can’t even know that because your not here to witness it and I’m telling you it happens all the time. So next time it happens to me I’ll video tape it put it on YouTube and put Canadian expirence and post it here okay?

[massb]

So what you saying is I can’t listen to certain music because Americans make it? Or I can’t watch certain shows even though it get broadcasted here because I’m in Canada right? Or I can watch certain movies because Americans made it? If though the movies are made there but then they get broadcasted here?

[RolandCuthbert]

You can share that experience. But you didn't did you? You posted videos about America, just like we have the same experiences.

And no, our experiences have nothing to do with the right to bare arms.

Our experiences are different because the foundation for racism in our two societies are different. African-Americans were here even before this nation was founded. We have fought in every single war. There is nothing "foreign" about us. Thus our relationship with this nation is fundamentally different.

In Canada, the history is totally different. The history of the struggles of non-"Whites" is different. And you don't want to talk about that. Nor do you want to talk about the real conversations that Canadians have.

In no way it would diminish your personal experience. But you seek to convince people by talking about what is happening in America.

I know what is happening in America. I live here.

[massb]

I actually did but you weren’t paying attention , I said I’ve been followed home by the cops many times , beaten by the cops , get racial profiled im stores , when me and my girlfriend are out they call her n** lover and shit like that or they just try to avoid us all the time. I’ve been shot by the cops.
And your not looking at the bigger picture. It’s not about your country , it’s about how racism affects all of us. I just liked what the lady said and shared it and you guys are getting all up tight.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yes, you said that after I confronted you.

And now, you are claiming you were shot by the police? That the police beat you up?

I want to make sure of this.

In Canada right?

This is your experience in Canada.

[massb]

Check the other threads if did this and omg yes I’m Canada not only your country has bad cops

[massb]

I’ve said this *

[massb]

Statistics won’t show you everything , my mom and brothers saw me after and my face was swollen

[RolandCuthbert]

Wait. You said you were shot by the police and beaten up. I want to give you a chance to explain what happened.

So which was it or was it both?

[massb]

Yes it was on two different occasions, once their was a robbery that happened near by I think and I was cooperating with the police. I was on my way home from my girls house and outta no where he starting hitting me, and arrest me and charged me with resisting arrest when I wasn’t doing shit.
Second time my friend was driving me home and he asks for my lisence but I’m like wtf I don’t drive I wasn’t even driving and I stepped out the car and he told me to take everything out of my pockets and I did and he just shot me and then they called 911 then I was charged with resisting arrest again while again I did nothing wrong

[massb]

So that’s fair to you right?

[RolandCuthbert]

So I just wanted to make sure I understood you. You said you were beaten up the first time for nothing. And shot the second time for nothing. And this happened in Canada?

I want to make sure my response is clear for everyone reading along.

[massb]

Yessssss in Canada. Why are you asking me the same thing so many times

[RolandCuthbert]

I am done asking.

I don't believe this happened in Canada. I feel like if it did, and you made a stink about it. . Justin Trudeau himself would have paid you a visit.

[massb]

Loool wtf are you high? Shit like this happens a lot down here the prime minister ain’t gonna do shit. You really think because one person gets shot by the cops that he’d come all the way here to make a scene about it when I can just take them to court myself?

[massb]

Just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Like I don’t know what happens in England or mexico every second. You only see or hear what the media wants you to see or hear

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, I flat out do not believe you. You were shot by the police in Canada and nothing was done about it. Not even a mention in the newspaper?

That doesn't even happen in America.

[massb]

Not every single thing is reported you know that right? I got beat many times by the police and no news crews came they just falsely arrested me but I did take them to court

[massb]

You think Canada is all peachy and nice but it’s not

[massb]

You guys have more fun violence because it’s easier to access in the states but we still have a bit of gun violence here and corrupt cops aswell

[Randomawkwardness]

I mean where tho? From what I'm seeing, a lot of poc are actually getting more opportunities as companies want to hire more poc to appear diverse and it gives white people less offerings. Not to mention that speaking against them would almost automatically have you be considered a racist whereas them speaking against white people is called standing up for themself. It's double standards and annoying

[massb]

Loool people always want to bring up affirmative action whenever this topic comes up. Well that’s your country not mine we don’t have that here. Also maybe because black people struggle there and they want them to have a fair chance. Because without it they might not even get hired at all. Also this post wasn’t even about jobs like shit , it was about how another race acts when they get treated how we’ve been getting treated for centuries for one hour. And they can’t take it but we have to live with that. Let that sink in. Lebron James house got vandalized because he was speaking up , are not even money can protect you.

[massb]

White people don’t go through half the shit we go through

[Randomawkwardness]

Excuse me? Maybe the problem is people saying that white people are this and white people are that. You know, most of the people I see talking about oppression and racism are up there in Gucci but still saying they're oppressed. If there's a problem, it would be represented by people actually facing it, the people who are in inner cities and can't find work and have faced actual discrimination, which would be both races. It isn't even just a white/black thing. As for your whole 'when they get treated how we've been treated..' I had ancestors who were slaves. It wasn't just black people; it was Irish, it was the poor and so many more. Y'all are sitting over there and acting like your own tribes didn't sell your ancestors for gold from slave sellers or that white people were the ones who came up with the idea.

[massb]

Okay but does it affect you are you white or are you black? You can go anywhere and not get discriminated against I can’t I live this everyday and you don’t know anything. I go in stores and a lot of the white people are racist so how do you think I fucking feel. One time I was waiting outside for my fucking girlfriend and the cops were called on me and they apologized because someone called saying I was breaking in when they clearly saw me ring the doorbell and she came out and said give her a sec.

[massb]

I never said that peiple don’t go through things everyone does buttttt we go through things plus extra shit. Have black people ever made a clan to kill white people? No but guess what white people made the kkk which still exist today

[Anonymous]

Yeah that's intressting. And there are a lot of racism to People of color. But also to white People. I've been called whiye trash from strangers I used to get beated cause I am white like both happends and I understand I am privlige for being white but it happends to all races so we should speak about it from all sides. However? Racism is never okay no matter what.

[massb]

Exactly I fully agree with you statement

[massb]

Your *

[Opinion Owner]

Okay Good! 👌 If more People saw it like that then we would come mush further in society

[massb]

Exactly, but they only think it’s regarding money which it isn’t. But at least someone understands and isn’t so quick to jump and defend something. That isn’t even really your fault I’m just trying to tell people how it is and they are getting mad

[Opinion Owner]

Money? Why would it be about money?

[massb]

Because when people hear privilege they think it means money when the definition doesn’t even say that lol

[Opinion Owner]

Oh lol nah it has nothing to do with money😂. Same with racism a lot of people Think you can only be racist to black people and that black People can't be racist. It's crazy how people just come up with new definitions of words.

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for MHO!

[massb]

Exactly ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

[massb]

No problem your very smart so why not

[Opinion Owner]

😊👍🏻

[massb]

But why are you anonymous for this question lol

[Opinion Owner]

I don't know I'm just used to it

[ladsin]

Oh yeah she has some interesting stuff. Being discriminated against on the basis of arbitrary characteristics in a society is obviously not desired or beneficial. That said if you want to prove systemic racism you have to do more than just claim it exists. If you're just saying that racist people exist then yeah... nobody disagrees with that. There are black supremacists, white supremacists, Jewish supremacists, Asian supremacists etc. That's something that everyone has to learn to live with. There are assholes everywhere and we can't criminalize thoughts.

[massb]

Yes that’s true I agree but the only group of people that created a group to kill black people were white. With the kkk so I don't know

[ladsin]

Oh. Yeah you don't know a lot of groups then XD
Have you never heard of Hamas? They want to kill the Jews.
There are also lots of black supremacist organizations which are highly critical of the Jews calling them maggots, vermin, rats etc. One of the larger ones I can think of is the New Black Panther party which has at least ten times the members of the current KKK. It's estimated that the KKK only has ~3000 members within the US.

[massb]

Was that from the 1940s or is still going on now the hamas? Just wondering not really sure what that is. Which black supremest organization? Have they ever killed anyone?

[massb]

Also just watch this it’s a short video maybe you’ll understand a bit more

[massb]

https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[ladsin]

I’m not sure I understand the question. Are you asking me if black supremacist groups existed in the US during the 1940s? I don’t know... most of the ones I can think of are relatively new organizations, but Malcolm X was highly influential during the Civil Rights Movement in America and he was a black supremacist who instigated riots. He is frequently juxtaposed with MLK. MLK pretty much wanted a peaceful revolution where we treated each other as brothers and sisters (at least initially he got a little jaded later in life), whereas Malcolm X wanted a violent revolution and as such advocated violence.

If you were asking whether or not my reference to 3000 active members in the KKK in the US was accounting for the figures of the 1940s the obviously not. I was simply pointing out that today the KKK is tiny in comparison to the NBPP.

As for your video. It was one of the least informative I’ve watched on the subject as it just contained 2-3 anecdotal examples. No reference of statistics, and particularly disconcerting no one to engage with them which makes me think it’s propaganda. If you want to talk about the subject I’d be happy to, because I think these people are actually really harming the “black community”, and leading us down a very very dangerous path. Race relations in the US Has dropped precipitously since 2000 with less than half of whites and blacks describing relations as good at all. I have concerns on what this deepening divide means for the US.

[ladsin]

For a contrary perspective you may find interesting (if you don’t want to talk to me about it, or have some free time) is this guy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=piwaBO6U43U

[massb]

I fully agree with you and honestly I think our generation will be okay but it’s mostly the older generation that’s racist and judgmental. After the older ones die of we will have less racism I think if the kids don’t get brainwashed by them

[massb]

Also I actually watched that video already and some statement he made a true

[wankiam]

thats interesting that you think its an old man thing... again Europe is different and maybe further down the line on this because our governments that legislate to ensure race equality are old men mostly whilst the rise in neo nazi groups and populism is fuelled by younger people generally

[massb]

Exactly, the younger generation is more accepting of people I have Indian , Asian , white and black friends. But I find the older generation a lot more racist even my girlfriend sees it sometimes and get sad or is like wow you can tell in a persons body language and how they talk to you and talk to someone else that is white. If you go to certain parts in my city like downtown it’s very racist there and you’ll get looks and people speaking racist slurs against you and throwing shit at you

[wankiam]

yeah that sound like the uk in the seventies

[ladsin]

@wankiam He's Canadian in case that helps. You're right thought that there's a resurgence of white identity politics which I think is mostly reactionary. If you normalize the idea that people should be treated differently on the basis of race, then that's not always going to benefit minorities. Quite the contrary it's going to push people to the group that is advocating for benefits for themselves ie forcing whites to join white identitarians. That's why I think we need to return to the track of individualism that we were on.

@massb I think he's right on most everything he said. Statistically at least he's quite right. I also think he's right that when a black man disagrees with the democrats (here in the US) they're subjected to vile slander. Kanye West being a perfect example who was loved for years. As soon as he came out pro-Trump he was called a house negro, an Uncle Tom, a race traitor, and worse. That's freaking racist. I also agree that the greatest problem facing the black community in the US is the massive dearth of two parent households. Single parent homes are massively destructive to children and the normalization of it is harmful. I say this as a product of a single parent home who had a great experience and an amazing mother.

[massb]

https://youtu.be/tyFLMJ0qPn8

[wankiam]

yeah he told me on my post where i pointed out that discrimination in the uk is now based more on social status than skin colour. in our country because laws have already been passed we prefer to oppress the poor ecause they are now the easy target

[ladsin]

@wankiam If there is unfair discrimination in the US I would certainly say that it's on the basis of economic class than race. When you look at the stats that are frequently used to justify racist discrimination it almost always boils down to be a policy that hurts the poor rather than blacks in particular. Whites in the Appalaichan mountains for example suffer much the same problems as blacks in various communities. Distrust of police which leads to vigilante justice and gangs. Lack of a value of education. Poor schools. High drug rates. Etc

@massb just explain to me the general premise. I'm at work so can't watch a video right now.

[wankiam]

i agree but historically blacks have been segregated into poor areas... like i said a uk ghetto is multicultural mostly where the projects in america are not so varied

[massb]

@ladsin they were saying white privilege is real and you don’t see it unless you want to admit to it. And they white guy thought the same way like you until it happened to his friend. He asked his friend hey man can you help me move and he said I would but it’s not safe for me , they will think I’m robing you instead of helping you and he’d probably get shot. It saying white people can do normal things without being suspicious. While black people can't. And the woman said , once the police stopped her and there were two native people in the car with her and two white but the cops questioned the native people but not the white people.

[wankiam]

thats a whole other matter, police prejudice and that does exist in the uk too though not to the degree of getting shot dead just for reaching for a drivers licence

[ladsin]

Y'all will both have to show me the racism in the American justice system. I can't do anything about anecdotal accounts.
One of the frequently cited examples of racism is the sentencing disparity between crack and cocaine. The idea is that black people coming from low income communities are more likely to use crack than their white counterparts hence the disparity. The problem with this is that it was black lawmakers who were tired of seeing their communities and homes destroyed by crack cocaine that increased the punishment for it. Also, meth is a drug that disproportionately affects poor white communities and the sentencing laws are the exact same as crack.
Another is police shootings. That video I showed you should already be enough to cover this, but black people aren't more likely to be killed by the police but actually less likely when you account for violent crime rates. Less than 20 unarmed black men are killed by police yearly and most of them were resisting arrest at the time or had recently committed a crime. Is 20 too much? Sure. One unjustified killing is too much, but the solution, namely decreased policing of black communities or increased distrust of police leading to gangs and reciprocal violence is far worse. The number one preventable cause of death for young black men is murder by another black man. Just think about that. It's not cars. Not overdose. Not falling out a truck.

[wankiam]

as you know the knife crime rate is spiking here in the uk but again its deprived areas not solely inhabited by black people and also linked to the reduction in police budgets so not so many police around to enforce the law anyway... i have heard though that the disparity in america may also be linked to a lack of proper policing in your poor areas so maybe that has a role to play in statistics

[ladsin]

@wankiam It does, that's largely been a result of people saying the police are racist and preventing them from policing these communities. Hence my point about how detrimental the idea is. Police stop going in so who's left to protect the people? Gangs rise. If you don't trust the police and the justice system what do you do when someone harms a person you love? You take justice into your own hands. When police don't go into a community who's to stop the kids from making dumb decisions buying and getting addicted to drugs that will ruin the rest of their life? etc. There's also a decent argument that welfare for single mothers disproportionately affected black mothers. If their husband could earn $20 a week but spent it on something (let's just say to go bowling), and the mother had the option to kick him to the curb and take $20 from the government what do you think they'll do? That's why the single-motherhood rate in black communities rose by more than 50% since the Civil Rights era.

[wankiam]

in the uk along with police cuts we also suffered the loss of many youth programmes in the inner cities etc that tackled the issue at source before it got out of hand whilst the government here is happy to spend money on giving out private contracts to their chief sponsors who then do nothing but asset strip... i think the usa has problems and Canada too but ours are all our own and again more about the haves and the have nots ;)

[ladsin]

@wankiam mm. Yeah I can’t speak to much about your politics. I just know that I’ve found a lot of your recent moves fairly egregious regarding free speech.

[wankiam]

interesting because i actually stand firmly on the side of free speech because it gives me the oportunity to disagree... if i decreed every racist, sexist or religiously intollerant post be removed i wouldn't be afforded the opportunity to show that there may be another way forward. also im sure you saw my question about engaging in dialogue rather than a shouting match didn't you?

[ladsin]

@wankiam lol I didn’t mean you personally. I meant “your” government. Particularly on the Trans issues and the determination that Islamophobia is racism and as such falls under your hate speech legislation which makes the criticism of Islam at all quite likely illegal. For example if you say Mohammed was a pedophile it would be illegal according to current legislation. This was also held up by the Europeans Council For Human Rights.

[wankiam]

well there is that and its a good point to which i dont fully subscribe but bearing in mind my earlier statements on your situation being like the uk was almost 50 years ago can it really be discredited. i dont know. like i said we have our own issues

[ladsin]

@wankiam well sure. Countries change over time for better and worse. I’m concerned that y’alls policies around free speech, our right to bear arms, etc are coming our way. That’s not to say America is perfect, but those in particular have been some of the most strongly held ideas in America and they’re starting to be eroded. I also hate that every time I’m talking about free speech or some other such issue as being a radically regressive move people point to Europe and say, “look it’s not radical they’re doing it!”

[wankiam]

i can see their point lol... as a european i know everytime i mention socialism it attracts so much derrission from your side of the pond in the same way we just cannot fathom the logig of your second ammendment... one good thing about this global forum is at least we get a snap shot of what individual people actually thing rather than the rhetoric of our leaders which often dont have majority support

[wankiam]

on the free speech issue on street level many from the left do not approve either by the way and just and afterall its a right wing government in power here at the moment that have pushed it because it serves them to be able to shut the far left up as much as the hate groups

[massb]

https://youtu.be/817n6l5mrkM

This happens to me everyday but it’s okay because I’m black right? And we don’t face anything right?

[ladsin]

That's not you in the video. Tell me when the last time an officer stopped you because you were black and not committing a crime? I've been stopped several times by officers both when I was, and was not committing a crime. I don't think it's because I'm white, or short, or anything else.

That's another anecdotal example, I really don't know why you won't just reference the statistics. Is it because you know that the statistics won't back your claim?

[massb]

Yesterday they stopped me and no I wasn’t commuting a fucking crime. How am I supposed to show you statistics on how many black people get stopped by cops? I can only show you how much get shot and maybe incarcerated but I can’t show you how much get stopped? Do you have videos of you getting stopped then? You want all the evidence from me yet none of you had shown me anything I think I made my point here.

[ladsin]

Why do you think you made your point? Ok, well you could show statistics on blacks getting killed by the police, it would show that black men are less likely to get killed by police than white men if you account for violent crime rates. Black males make up only 6% of the US population, but almost 50% of the homicide population (both victims and commission). This obviously raises the chance that they'll be involved in a violent confrontation with the police which leads to a higher rate of death via police.

[massb]

It’s not only about the killing , it’s about get harassed all the time by the police there are no statistics on that , or how many times they falsely accuse us. Or how many times I’ve got shot at and racial profiled in stores and no I do not have a gun or tried to run away

[ladsin]

Alright, well it doesn't seem that we're able to get anywhere today.
Have a good day.

[jimyee]

Obviously racism exists but it's not only blacks that face it. And realistically it's far more classiest than anything. If you grew up in the ghetto, white or black, people will look down on you. If you had a decent upbringing and look like a respectable person, white or black, people will be much more open to the idea of socializing, hiring, having a better disposition towards you, whatever.

[massb]

Not always , I’m the nicest person all my nieghbours love me but whenever I go out I get judged off the bat and people avoid me. And get scared. I’ve had many people cry and apologize to me for being racist and they wish they weren’t. I’ve been follows home by the cops on many basses have you? Even when the description was a person of another race they still followed me. Also who has the kkk white People or black people. Because we don’t have a hate group that wants to kill white people. We just want to be equal and not judged by our skin colour

[jimyee]

There have certainly been black groups that have been and are violent to white people.
My white friend got arrested for being white in a black neighborhood, I'm not sure who that situation is more racist against but shit like that does happen.

[massb]

What group?

[jimyee]

A cpuple of the big ones wpuld be in modern times some sects of black lives matter and a little older black panthers. I'm not saying that both groups were/are focused on hate as they focus more on the social issues but there is certainly a fair amount of followers of both of those groups that are.

[massb]

Do they go out and kill white people and burn crosses?

[massb]

You do realize there are some cities in the states black people can't go to or they will be killed

[massb]

https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[Anonymous]

I'm white. I used to work at an HBCU.

A Hispanic employee ran late to work twice in 6 months. The second time was during a blizzard. He got suspended for 3 days.

A black supervisor was habitually late. He was late 4 out of 5 days a week. He never faced any disciplinary action.

In the public safety unit, they hired a K-9 officer. They advertised that you had to live within 15 miles, and be available at a moment's notice, and rotate shifts.

Several white men applied. They all got turned down. A black guy that lived 35+ miles away was selected. And after getting the position, he was too feeble to work on the campus or rotate shifts. He needed to be left in the public safety HQ for medical reasons.

Black-racism exists. I've seen it. I never considered myself a racist... until I was subjected to arbitrary discrimination by a lot of black people.

[massb]

Now you see how it feels. Also that’s not racism that’s more of favouritism. This happens all the time in big companies. Also this happens in the states not here I don't know why you Americans keep bringing up shit that only happens to you guys

[Opinion Owner]

Favoritism = racism in this case. Someone received benefit because of their skin color, or was excessively disciplined for their lack thereof.

And what country are you in that is so perfect, racially?

[massb]

Canada

[massb]

Here you go maybe this will shed some light on what I’m saying
https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[RationalMale]

Simple, really.

If racism was as bad as black people make it out to be in the USA, all the black people in the USA would have been exterminated by now by Whites.

Instead "BLACK MEN ARRESTED FOR REFUSING TO MAKE A PURCHASE OR LEAVE AT A STARBUCKS" is national news and "White woman murdered by a black man" is page 5 for a day.

[massb]

Lmfaooo 1) that would be illegal there are laws for a reason

2) who has the kkk black or white people?

3) lol did you even watch the fucking interview on what happened? He was waiting there for his employer for an interview , he told her that and she never told him to leave she just called the cops yet there were white people in there doing the same thing but she didn’t call the cops in them.

Yea and white school shooters are all over the news. And white people commit most of the mass shootings and you had the biggest mass shooting in American history with the Las Vegas shooting😂

[RationalMale]

Did I write your reply to make you look stupid or did you write it for me? I can't tell.

[massb]

I don't know you tell me man lol your the one that wrote it

[MarketData]

Of course people don't like to be discriminated against. How many social experiments do you have to do to figure that out? It would be more interesting if they had a white girl black up and send her out to experience some abuse.

I remember one time they took a healthy woman and sent her out in a wheelchair. That was interesting.

[massb]

Yea that’s true , that would make more sense but this way more people had the experience imstead of just one. But then again she could record and share it

[RolandCuthbert]

I guess I don't understand you. You guy have much racism up there in Canada? I don't think Canada can hold a candle to the United States. People do not know this, Harriet Tubman's underground railroad did not end in the Northern United States.

It ended in Canada.

http://pathways.thinkport.org/about/about8.cfm

[massb]

You’d be surprised we have racist cops here aswell and many people here are racist since we are so multicultural here. But our cops don’t kill they arrest you on false charges and shit like that a beat you but don’t shoot

[RolandCuthbert]

That doesn't compute. "Many people are racist since we are so multicultural". I am not saying there isn't any racism. But I don't see how there could be a comparison. And in terms of non-"Whites", aren't Asians the largest group? Of course, being more culturally aware than the U. S., I think Canadians would divide them up into Indians, Chinese, etc.

Also, the other thing is most non-"Whites" in Canada are recently arrived, right?

So I think this makes for a different dynamic. Like you said, police there are not as deadly when it comes to encounters.

I can't really speak towards the experience of Canadians. But as an outsider, I don't see a valid comparison yet. You seem to use a lot of references from the U. S. which is confusing to me. This was done on the Oprah show in the U. S. I think we should stop comparing the situations since just because some Canadians fit the same supposed racial description as some Americans that there is some common thread.

I think each situation should be taken on its own. Then we can talk about what is or is not similar. Could you find time to talk about your specific experience as a Canadian?

I remember when this guy gave a television interview in the U. S. The lady who was berating him was saying "When is your Sharia going to end"?

Dude is a Sikh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuUJ1nhRMIo

[massb]

I’m saying that because since we have so many different cultures here that racist people will have more to complain about. Also I’m fucking shows talk shows , because America has the biggest tv outlet in the world and they are talking about stuff that effect every black person. So it doesn’t matter, most black people go through the same experiences but since you want a Canadian one here you go

[massb]

https://youtu.be/tyFLMJ0qPn8

[Jager66]

lol that video is bullshit.

I'm a white man and have been stopped repeatedly in my life by the police to be questioned about my behavior, I've been kicked out of stores arbitrarily because some asshole thought I was a thief when I am not.

The only 2 police brutality claims in my city in years were both against white people.

And the judges and police in Canada have to take special "sensitivity" training for dealing with Natives and women. Natives especially get special treatment, if one accuses you of anything you are automatically arrested and charged with a good chance you will be convicted.

It's even legal to murder your intimate partner in Canada if you're a woman, a Feminist here built a career out of creating a legal precedent pathway to be able to do it. She accomplished her goal and even wrote a book about it.

[RolandCuthbert]

@massb Nah, what you typed makes absolute nonsense. You are showing American shows because we have the biggest tv outlet?

We have fundamentally different experiences. in Canada, racism is when "White" people look at you funny when you walk into a store.

In America, it is when a "Black" kid knocks on someone's door for directions. And the next minute he is running for his life while bullets are flying over his head. Then when you post the experience here at GaG, people will tell you that "Blacks" need to work harder and stop relying on the government for everything.

The plain fact is, because your society acknowleges that it is multicultural, it allows for a better conversation than we have in America.

Here we are multicultural. But if you ask any American in this forum about racism, the only answer they can give, yes or no, right or wrong, is as it pertains to "Blacks" and "Whites".

We pretend all these other groups don't exist.

But we do that for a reason.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Jager66 Wait, you are Canadian?

[Jager66]

lol yeah, Canadian.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Jager66 Oh cool. What is with this guy? I think he is watching too much American television and thinks he is African-American.

[massb]

I just sent you a Canadian video you fool. And just because you don’t face it doesn’t mean others don’t. Just because in America it’s a bit worse doesn’t mean I don’t go through it. You only replied to half of what I said so I can benefit your opinion. I get followed home by the cops I’ve been beaten by he cops on many occasions, I get followed in stores , and what’s wrong you, you piece of shit.

[massb]

I am African American you fool looks like someone needs to go to school. When we get forms to sign and they ask what are you I have to circle African American. Even though that in it self is racist. No other groups have to do that , no euro American or French Americans , Indian Americans , Korean Americans but yea were the bad ones

[massb]

This has happened to me just like the other two videos I sent you in the other reply
https://youtu.be/817n6l5mrkM

So don’t you dare say nothing happens to me and that racial profiling is okay. Your
Part of the fucking problem

[Jager66]

Dude not only black people face discrimination.. sorry to burst your victim bubble but being black is not an exclusive special victim club, so stop being racist.

When ever I fill out Government forms I have to give my gender, race, age, etc.. It's also legal and common for government employers to exclude white men from positions. All kinds of shit like that.

[RolandCuthbert]

Sorry, didn't know it was for me. Dude, the video is about some Canadian people commenting on racist incidents in the United States.

So I am back to asking the same question again. You are Canadian. You are not American. So what is the point of all these posts, when all you are doing is using examples of racism in America?

Or more directly, what can you possibly change about your experience as a Canadian by arguing with Americans about racist incidents here in this country?

[RolandCuthbert]

Oh, don't come at me with that whole "it is a bit worse" thing. Dude, you wouldn't make it one week.

Here is an example that actually makes sense. And if you watch the entire video, you will see how this experience is not American in any sense of the word.

We simply do not have the issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37aj0vqGjJk&t=285s

[massb]

1) you told me to give you what I fucking go through and I gave you a video of what happened to me what does it matter where it came from.

2) so you say Canadians were talking about and incident that happened there right because your news is our news and our news is your news it affects all of us. Don’t fucking tell me what I go through is nothing and I shouldn’t be upset because I get profiled just like then man in the video did. The same exact shit happened to me

[Jager66]

"Don’t fucking tell me what I go through is nothing and I shouldn’t be upset because I get profiled just like then man in the video did. The same exact shit happened to me"

I didn't so don't say I did. However you have been doing exactly this.

[massb]

Sorry I was talking to the other guy and I’m not yes generally speaking not every white person goes through this though some do. But even though some do they still have an advantage again it has nothing to do with money. It has to do with doing whatever you want and not looked at and judged let me try this again. Just listen to what they say

[massb]

https://youtu.be/aQK8H0z-irM

[RolandCuthbert]

1. I guess you don't have the maturity for a rational discussion. When you first posted about "White" privilege I went to your profile because that whole "White" thing is specific to America. I found out you were in Canada. At least that is what your profile says. The Canadian experience has to be different than the American one. But then you claimed you are African-American. So now I am confused. Why couldn't you state that in the first place? And now, I don't know if you are complaining about Canada or America. If you are in Canada and this happened to you, that would be an extremely rare occurrence. If this happened a long time ago in the U. S., well you are not here any more. So what is the issue?

2. That is just a crap argument. No, our news is not your news. The conversations you have in Canada about race are not possible in the U. S.

This thread should tell you that. Did you watch this video? This guy is talking about walking with his friend who was approached by a lady who claimed he was a terrorist. And immediately after, they are approached by several people apologizing and trying to understand what happened.

That is Canada. That is not the U. S. In the U. S., there wouldn't have been much in terms of consoling.

https://youtu.be/37aj0vqGjJk

[massb]

When I sign papers and it asks what my race is I put Africa American because that’s what’s on the paper. So your telling me I should shouldn’t circle anything because it doesn’t say African Canadian? But we still use the same terminology because it’s one is the same. People bring stuff they do from their countries here so should we tell them not to because they are in Canada now?

[RolandCuthbert]

Wait. You are in Canada, but when you are asked about your "race", you check the box "African-American"?

These are the census categories in Canada;

White
South Asian (e. g., East Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, etc.)
Chinese
Black
Filipino
Latin American
Arab
Southeast Asian (e. g., Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Thai, etc.)
West Asian (e. g., Iranian, Afghan, etc.)
Korean
Japanese
Other - specify

[massb]

Yes because I’m black and that’s what African American is a fucking black guy. There is no other so what I shouldn’t check anything off then right?

[RolandCuthbert]

No, dude. African-American and black are not the same.

Son, race is not real.

We don't share the same history, culture, behavior, experience, etc. because of skin color.

If you wish to talk about cultural common ground, I am all down for that. Let's have that conversation.

But you don't assume anything about me or the members of African-American Culture. Racism does not give us cultural commonality. If that were true, it would be easier for you to talk to the Indigenous in Canada.

[massb]

So then why do they all label us as that then and nobody else

[RolandCuthbert]

I am certain that many folks in GaG label us the same. But that isn't even true in many parts of American society

I organize cultural discussion groups. We talk about this in our meetups. And I know too many folks who understand that race does not exist. And that dark-skinned folks have cultural differences.

Racism does does not provide us a cultural link. It can't. Just because nutty racists at GaG regularly talk about us being the same inferior race, does not mean we have the same history, behaviors or beliefs.

We have to talk that out, you and I. That's how we recognize any cultural common ground. And here you are, with a woman who not a member of your culture. Yet you found a way to make a connection, right?

You have to unlearn "race" to understand me. I find common ground with anyone who can find it with me.

[massb]

Yea you try telling that to white people. I’ve met to many racist people in my life to believe that. I treat everyone equally, I have white friend , Asian friends , Indian friends and black friends. It’s usually the older generation that are the racist ones. I think after they die out we might not have this problem.

[massb]

Also if race isn’t an issue awnser me this. Why is it that all my black friends have been beaten even though they did nothing wrong and my white Friend was arrested buttt wasn’t beaten and my other friends the cops have never beaten them?

[RolandCuthbert]

What in the world are you talking about?

Your girlfriend is "White".

How in the world are you making this claim about what all "White" people think?

Something is not right.

[RolandCuthbert]

I never said race did not matter to racists.

You are reacting. You are not reading.

You and i cannot form a bond based on our experiences with racism. I wouldn't even mention it if we met. I could inquire about your parents, how you came to Canada, etc?

That's where I would start to talk about cultural common ground.

But many groups in Canada have experiences similar to yours like the Chinese, Indigenous, Indians, etc. There is racism depicted in the video. But the victim does not share your skin color.

Right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2HvCqoGnp0

[massb]

Her parents are racist and she was before to until we started talking then eventually started dating. She even told me if we didn’t date she would of stayed racist, I was born here.
Yea I’m making all this shit up that’s what you wanna hear right?

[massb]

I couldn’t really see him I don't know what skin colour he is what are you trying to prove?

[RolandCuthbert]

Okay none of what you said makes any sense. Your girlfriend would have stayed racist. . . why? Because you didn't date her?

Dude?



That sounds crazy.

When did she become un-racist? The first time you two had sex? I never dated a racist woman. I just assumed if they were racist, they wouldn't want to date me. So I am totally confused by what you are trying to say.

[RolandCuthbert]

You are mistaking cultural common ground, let's say what could be shared between two people acknowledging a connection to African culture, for similar experiences with racism.

Racism does not equal culture.

The people in the video are not "Black", but they have experiences with racism. They don't call themselves African-Americans simply because they had racist experiences. They have a defined cultural identity.

Do you have one? Or do you think you are African-American simply because some "White" people were racist against you?

It is a simple question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXr-Cfj3EPM

[massb]

To your first question that’s what my girlfriend told me and no before we had sex lol we we’re talking and she said that she never knew black people were so nice and intelligent. Her parents are racist so she had that mentality growing up.


To your second question lmfaoo wtf I’m black so you have to put African American there are no other choose for my race I’m black wtf are you saying? I did not create the government sheets or the race choices so how would that be my fault?

[wankiam]

in the uk i have had a very good taste of this... the divide isn't so much between people with different skin colour but rich against poor. thats why i have to laugh when its suggested that because im white im somehow priveledged whilst i was brought up i abject poverty and treated like a second class citizen even as a young child

[massb]

Omg it’s not about the money. It’s about the fact you can go outside without being judged off the bat or being followed home by the cops for no reason. Or followed in stores

[wankiam]

maybe where you live and as stated i was clearly refering to the uk... yes racism still raises its ugly head here but the majority of issues are more about poverty which here doesn't seem so dependant on skin colour

[massb]

Well obviously you don’t face it so you don’t care.
https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[massb]

Maybe that will change your perspective

[wankiam]

i didn't say i dont recognise it in america. you guys have problems that are all your own. i was just pointing out not everywhere is the same so rather than you telling me i am somehow wrong and trying to 'educate' me i do think you need to take on my information about the uk before assuming because im myself white that i am somehow priveledged. uk ghettos for example are not predominantly black because here deprevation is not so much driven by skin colour but more by socioeconomic descrimination

[massb]

1) I don’t live in America I live in Canada
2) I’m saying this because I face it all the time so it’s my experiences that make me how I am
3) looks like you didn’t watch the video , it’s not about money. It’s about being able to go out and not be profiled by the colour of your skin and being followed home by the cops and profiled in stores which happened to me.

[massb]

Also just because you have white privilege doesn’t mean your racist or that I am. Or that it’s your fault.

[massb]

I’m just saying in the main video that white people see how we feel for an hour how we feel for our whole life. And they couldn’t even handle it for an hour , so what does that tell you?

[wankiam]

ok well i know Canada isn't america but its not a million miles away so you will have to excuse my mistake and i do take on board what you are saying about where you live but my statement on the uk also still stands. the notion of white privelige on a global level is justified and i dont refute that but is it really skin tone or regime. obama answered that question quite well

[wankiam]

the eye colour thing has a hint of hitlers descrimination criteria

[massb]

Okay and the lady just did that because she knows white people have blue eyes and black people have brown eyes and some white people. So it was just so that the white people can see how it feels like for an hour and look they couldn’t even handle how we live everyday

[wankiam]

fair point but my brown eyes aside i have lived with descrimination since birth down to being raised in poverty. i think we agree more than disagree here but you do need to appreciate Europe is different

[massb]

Yea...

[wankiam]

like i said on the other post... what you are describing is the uk in the 70s

[ImFromReddit]

I see a lot of black people being racist against whites where I live. I just don't understand why black people see their own racism as okay, but if it's toward them it's wrong.

[massb]

Okay tell me what you go through. I’m saying that anywhere we go we get profiled and follows where as you don’t. The cops followed me home on multiple occasions did that happen to you. I walk into a store and people stare and leave does that happen to you? I have to always be thinking if someone is racist against me do you?

[massb]

Racism to anyone is wrong. Did you even watch the video and who had the kkk white people or black people?

[massb]

Has *

[ImFromReddit]

I've never had any of that happen.

[massb]

Exactly that’s what I’m saying so don’t say we don’t face any and how is me saying white people have white privilege being racist? Maybe you should watch this and think

[massb]

https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[massb]

Maybe now you’ll understand

[ImFromReddit]

Tbh never worried or have worried about being harrassed or anything like that in public. I was bullied by other black kids though. I also don't worry about being able to use a credit card. I have good credit and never have been denied of being able to use it when I do.

[massb]

But I have and that’s the difference

[ImFromReddit]

Still doesn't mean that's everyone else's experience.

[massb]

Are you black or white?

[ImFromReddit]

I'm black.

[Jackblue]

We already do experience racism believe it or not, and our suicide rate is higher than yours, we don't need her abuse. One day Jane Elliot is going to be exposed for the con artist she is and will have to pay back all the money she made blackmailing businesses with the threat of discrimination lawsuits which are sucking the American economy dry.

[massb]

We face racism on a way higher level than white people do. Give me 3 or more examples were your experience racism? And how it affects your daily life or how it has a psychological effect on your life. Not saying you don’t face racism but it’s no where close to how you have it. How would you no that white men commit more suicides more than any other race? But if that is the case it’s because white people dont have capacity to take things on the chin like we do and are soft that’s why. Or they have other issues I’m sure it’s not directly linked to racism lol

How’s Jane Elliot a con artist?

[Jackblue]

Statistics show whites kill themselves more.
1. Being told that white privilege accounts for our success
2. Sociologists saying that white entitlement creates school shooters and the theory of "white male entitlement syndrome"
3. Whites need higher scores than blacks in order to get into the same Universities.
These issues affect us on the deepest level and destroy our confidence. If blacks are so thick skinned how is it that we tolerate people like the black Hebrew Israelites on streets that we walk, but if a white man so much as holds up an "All Lives Matter" sign he will be attacked. Is it a coincidence that white people are now killing themselves in an era in which we are so censured by political correctness?
4. My grandparents had two black men break in their house and they were never caught in spite of their faces being caught on camera. This took away their sense of safety.
5. Here in China where I am teaching I have often had cab drivers who I am waving down take one look at my face and drive on leaving me burning in the sun or shivering in the cold.
6. I am not allowed to discipline the kids here in China, even though the Chinese teachers can, and thus students have misbehaved a lot including touching me on my private areas. I have been left terrified that I will be accused of molesting them.

[massb]

1) it kind of does , not for all but some white people start off in a better situation than other races do and will be given a fair shot and workplaces while trust them more because they are white

2) white entitlement? So how would that make them shoot up a school. I swear most of them said they got bullied or had a mental illness no? That’s what the lawyers in a lot of the cases say but see if a black man or a man of any other race did that he’d be shot by the cops at the scene or the lawyer would say just take the plea bargain and go to jail.

3) well because the white sign all lives matter is just a way so that people don’t care about black lives matter. We’re getting gunned down in the streets , so it’s so that police would stop shooting us down. Your life already matters so there is no need for that. But them killing us in cold blood clearly shows that they don’t care about taking black peoples lives so that’s why we started black lives matter.(I’m not fully with it because sometimes they are over the top)

4) how weren’t they caught and if you said the camera didn’t catch them how do you even know they are black isn’t that kind of racial profiling?
What does 5 or 6 have to do with racism against white people?
So why do whites kill themselves more then?

[massb]

Also 3 ) I don’t think that’s true they don’t have to score higher , I think they just have lower spaces for white people so them scoring higher would help them and how would that hurt their confidence. And black issrolites have nothing to do with black lives matter. Again all lives matter is just to take away from the movement because if they really wanted an all lives matter movement why not do it before black lives matter even existed?

[Jackblue]

White lives don't matter to the black men who kill them, yes most of the time those black men are caught, but the fact that they go to prison (and get first world food and healthcare on the tax money of the family of the murder victim, the death penalty is rare nowadays), does not undo the murder. How can whites be more privileged if they go to equally well funded schools as blacks but still get higher scores? The two men who broke into my grandparents house were caught on camera and their faces were clear, it was the police who did not catch them. 5 and 6 are about Chinese people being racist against me. Do you not see people in the media talking about white men being shooters. They even called Elliot Rodgers white even though he is half-asian.

[Jackblue]

Can you really be certain also that white people are trusted more in the workplace.

[Jackblue]

The fact that they have reserved spaces for blacks and thus limit white spaces is discriminatory.

[massb]

Loool your fucked up I just said if what your saying was really an issue you guys would of had white lives matter years ago if it was such a problem but it isn’t. Your not getting killed in the streets and your not facing racism on a high level. The fact that you guys made it right after we did that’s the problem. You just did it because we were. So your saying only black men are in jail right? What about all the school shooters who were all white except a few?

[massb]

They don’t have a reserved space for black people that’s a lie but if so know you know how it feels like in the 60s and 70s when they had a space for black and white people. Lol everything your complaing about we’ve already been though it and still are going through it but worse

[Anonymous]

What do you want from posting this. Affirmation? Someone to argue with? A sense of moral superiority?

[massb]

To prove to people racism still exists and people need to change and that we are all human beings and you can’t judge someone on how they look. And that white privilege is a real thing

[Poormanscomedian]

I have never gotten anything because I was white, most of the time I don;t get what I was trying for.

[massb]

Lol you all think it’s about getting something that’s not it. It’s that you get to be treated like a human being and not get to worry about certain things. Like fuck is that person racist , or people walking away from you so you always feel isolated. Getting stopped by the cops all the time for nothing then them calling you a n*****. Getting racially profiled when you enter a store. I’ll admit it doesn’t happen all the time but it does happen a lot. You get to be who you are and not get judged. Also if you guys get arrested you won’t serve as much time for the same crime as us. You will always get the mentally ill card.

[Opinion Owner]

I agree with you racism does still exsist and that we shouldn't hold much weight in our initial conceptions of people. I also like your phrasing that "we are all human beings" i often use that phrase myself. As to modern day white "privilege" I have some reservations on. I see both sides of the argument and don't know which is more true. I'm curious as to your opinion on this actually. I'd like to hear your thoughts and life experience on white privilege: "Is it real in modern USA? Have you been affected by this? Can you point to some concrete example I or others can look at?"

Respectfully,
- Blue anon

[massb]

Thanks a lot bro and I’m happy we agree this world is just full of hate and I don't know why. I just wanted people to see this and open their eyes. I live in Canada but there are many times. Once I was skateboarding to school and also going to a job interview after ( I was also dressed in a uniform) cops stop me and say why are you skateboarding so fast I’m like I’m late for school. Then on his walkie takie he says we found the suspect I’m like wtf do you mean? He’s like where your friend I’m like what friend. He said the friend you robbed the house with I’m like wtf. Then the radio person gave him a completely different description. It was a white guy 😐then once we had a rapist in our area rapping girls my the Forrest the guy was fucking Asian and the cops case after me accusing me and followed me home. But once I was going to drop my little brother lunch and the cop outta no where said open your bag I’m like why he said it looks like you’ve been smoking n***** but I’m like what about that guy across the street why me , he was white and he smelled like the weed not me but I get accused.

[massb]

I enter stores with my friends that are white they follow me but not them

[InTimoreDei]

Eff off with that bullshit mate. Boo hoo. My punk white friends and I were followed around in stores and stopped by police too when were out.

[massb]

Everyday? And your white you don’t get the glances and looks of hatred that I get so it’s not the same

[massb]

@intimoreDei https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[InTimoreDei]

*eye roll* I'd love some of that "white privilege" you folk like to talk about. I have a severe mental illness, I come from a poor farming community, and I've been denied jobs due to not meeting their "poc" quota. So eff with that shite too.

[massb]

You don’t listen to anything don’t you , IT IS NOT ABOUT THE FUCKING MONEY. Even white people have admitted it. You can go outside with out receiving prejudice I can’t. You can do anything and not get suspected of doing anything wrong I can’t

[InTimoreDei]

Go cry somewhere else. As someone that converted to Islam, I can tell you that I received TONS of prejudice. I was told to get lost from a variety of Arab communities, told "you don't belong" by a Black Muslim girl because I'm "white", told "you can't marry my daughter" by an Iraqi father cuz I'm "white".

So what "white privilege" ?

[massb]

Looool seriously? Just watch this video then reply since you don’t want to listen to me.
https://youtu.be/tyFLMJ0qPn8

Also welcome to my world I go through that shit regularly. Also religion is a hard thing to get into something. My gfs parents are racist to so

[Anonymous]

so she gives people with blue eyes a job over other more qualified job applicants? and government money so they can see how it feels to "be black"? Great idea. lol. Get real.

[massb]

Where in the fucking video do you see that you fucking fool

[Poormanscomedian]

Where I work black people are treated with kid gloves , they pretty much get what they want. So, not so.

[massb]

How so?

[Poormanscomedian]

They get to choose their hours and days , and really which department to work in.

[massb]

Maybe part time and some jobs you can choose which shift is easier for you and department it depends on what qualifications you have. But who cares they are still working no?

[Poormanscomedian]

Why shouldn't they work? Oh , I see, you believe because their great , great, great , great grandpa was a slave , they should get $1,000,000, 00 each to make up for it?

[massb]

I never said they shouldn’t wtf 😒😒, I said maybe those shifts are easy because of their schedule so they asked for a shift change you can do that you know?

[massb]

Why are you bringing up slaves , so ignorant

[massb]

Also can you read I said maybe they do part time. So a smart reply would be no they work full time then I can rebuttal get it? I never said they couldn’t work

[Poormanscomedian]

ain't that why they are so disadvantaged? Slavery? That is where the whites got into the lead so to speak? You see there is a thing called majority. When there are more than another , the ones with greater number set the rules , you wold know that in Canada. Also when a country defeats another country in war, the losers take what they get and have no say. That is called winning and losing, another concept Canada would not understand since they pretty much lose at everything.

[massb]

Loool okay 👌 now your talking about war😂give me a break is that all You Americans care about is guns no wonder your country is a mess. You guys fight each other while we respect each other one thing you racist red necks can’t do

[massb]

I’m surprised you can can speak you dumb pos

[massb]

You win at sports because that’s where all your money from your economy goes. They rather let you guys die than spend a little less on guns and sports 😂😂😂

[Anonymous]

We segregate black people every day?

Fancy that, I thought we abolished that.

[massb]

Partially but there is still a lot of racism everywhere. Take Texas for example my gfs uncle lives there and he Says it’s not safe for black people and same with some states and who has the kkk white people or black?

[Poormanscomedian]

There are very few KKK anymore. Miiss is the most dangerous state for black people. The cops shoot everybody here. They kill a lot more white guys than black guys. The media just talks about the black guys more.

[massb]

Okay

[massb]

For both of you
https://youtu.be/rZxMjmcT0cY

[CrisisActorFromIdaho]

Staged.

[massb]

How so?