This is reproductive question. THe female body is given a lot of significance because of it's child bearing properties. This makes it both irresistibly seductive and enticing, and potentially repulsive at the same time.
The reason it is both is because a woman has the potential to produce a child her whom. A man dies not. A woman has to be healthy throughout her pregnancy and must provide for her offspring. A man does not have to do these things. THis makes the female body valuable, but also very vulnerable because a pregnant woman is rendered very disabled when pregnant and when taking care of children.
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How you think of the opposite sex is your business. But you get to decide how you are treated. Looking and fantasizing is one thing, but it’s no excuse to put your hands on someone without their permission. And if I’m catcalled I just might embarrass the daylights out of them.
Women objectify men the same way men objectify women. But feminists claim that it's okay for women to do it because they're opressed. They use the same excuses to justify rape against men.
It’s just an issue of tact for me. I CAN’T WAIT to get out into the world each day and see beautiful women, and I make no apology for that. Like that’s one of the joys of life to me. Love, love, LOVE to see beautiful ladies. That said, there’s a way to go about observing them, and discretion is key. “Looking” at someone attractive in a public forum is all fair. “Staring creepily” is a whole ‘nother issue. And if you’re so inclined to make an approach of one of these women, you’re a flat-out amateur if you think whistling or hooting and hollering is going to get you any positive results.
So there’s really no right way to cat-call a woman. A guy... maybe you could have some success, I eat that up every time lmfao. But we’re just wired different and you gotta know that. I honestly feel sometimes like there’s a fundamental disconnect, because as a guy (maybe just because of rarity vs women getting it so frequently) I LOVE to get cat-called by women, even ones I’m not necessarily into. I just enjoy that ego stroke, simple as that, and I think if most men answered honestly, they’d tell you the same. On that same note, I think a lot of guys who go around hitting on women the wrong way are truly thinking that that’s how THEY THEMSELVES would want to be hit on... overtly and extremely flattering and charged with sexual energy. If gals hit on me like that... I think my head would explode from satisfaction overload. I think some guys just can’t ultimately wrap their head around women having such a stark difference in desires and expectations. Like the best times I’ve ever been hit on in my life were WICKED sexually overt. “GodDAMN, boy, I think you and me need to spend more ALONE TIME.” Or the girl who came up to me while I was bouncing at a bar, posted up on a wall next to a door. Never seen this girl in my life, she walks up making intense eye contact, says nothing, turns around when she gets to me, does the whole drop-it-like-its-hot move, then comes back up literally dragging her ass up the front of my pants/crotchal region, lmao. She turns back to me, looks me in the eyes one more time with a suggestive smile, then walks out the door, still saying nothing. Was I offended? FUCK NO, I went on to smash that shit like an Idaho potato, lmfao.
So I say all that to say, that’s how WE would run at you ladies if we were following “The Golden Rule.” If we treated you the way we wanted to be treated by you, or at least the way we THINK we do, cat-calling and the like is what you get, haha. That said, it’s not unreasonable to expect men to have better social awareness than that and just assess that the general female population aren’t looming for the same approach as we’d ideally get from them.
The answer is yes. Women only complain because they want power over others and the way women get the most power is by acting like a victim. For instance that first pick with the rebuttel is completely wrong. Rape is insanely rare (according to the FBI if we assume that their is no regions more likely to have rape then others (completely false) that their is no age range that is more likely to be raped (completely false) women have a whopping 3% chance over their entire life time of being raped. You know what the chances of a man being raped over his life time is? 3%(the only reason why women can claim otherwise is because they refuse to acknowledge that female on male rape exists to begin with (hell even the CDC study showing that men are as likely to be raped as women refused to acknowledge the data (they listed it as "forced to penetrate" and claimed it was sexual abuse but not rape (naturally the person who headed the study and tried to mislead people was a woman (and feminist))). As for abuse, men are actually far more likely to be abused by a woman then a man is to abuse a woman (nearly 70% of victims of domestic violence are male). As for cat calling yeah, that happens (I mean I have to assume, I've never done it, never known some one who has done it nor have I ever personally witnessed it in the entirety of my life but I'm sure its happened), but its not common and this is the result of men being the ones forced to approach women, to be the "pursuer" something of which women DEMAND men do. So yeah, your going to have guys who don't know how to hit on a woman, who are going to be awkward about it or assholes about it but that's the position women have put them in. Women are hypocrits about this (again, they complain about objectification, then turn around and wear low cut shirts with push up bras and make up for their cleavage (or glitter to get attention), wear tights that conform to every single curve or wear shorts where half their ass is hanging out then bitch when men look. Meanwhile they objectify men literally all the time as the evidence you presented shows (and every romance novel ever written can attests to). Its bullshit, its bullshit designed to punish men and reward women and to allow women to maximize their already considerable control (as they get to punish the man that gives them attention they don't like while acting in inappropriate ways while screaming about how every one else is sexist if they look or suggest that its inappropriate).
That's honestly basically women in a nutshell, in general, depending on the time of month. It's probably relevant to their cycle, truly.
Follicular phase: "I feel so sexy. Why aren't you commenting on my cleavage? I kept my shirt down so you would notice.
I need to get my miniskirt on and go to the club and find the hottest, most muscular guy to fuck me RIGHT NOW.
Pull my hair, choke me, spit in my face, and call me your dirty little bitch-whore."
Luteal phase: "OH MY GOD. Treat me as a person. All I want is to feel loved for being who I am. I have thoughts and ideas, you know?
How DARE you look at my breasts! My eyes are *up here*.
Gently stroke my hair and tell me how much you love me."
It's basically low-fertility behavior and high-fertility behavior.
That said, guys generally like to be objectified, in my opinion. I sure as hell do. We hardly get any attention at all. Think I hit the gym 5 days a week and keep my diet strict so women *won't* find me attractive? Hell no, I don't give a fuck, whistle, yell obscene euphemisms", I would gladly welcome all of it.
According to Merriam Webster, to objectify is " to treat as an object or cause to have objective reality." Essentially, what it means when you objectify a person is that you only see them as an object to get off to, and not a person with ideals, a voice, etc.
Dressing sexy and showing some skin does not mean you want to be objectified. There's a difference between being sexualized and objectified. www.google.com/.../
You're right men are also objectified. But it's not on the same level. Men can still watch a movie without having to see a pointless male character who's only there to flaunt his body and has no real depth or purpose. Female objectification is everywhere- in video games, movies, tv, etc. I don't see that happening to males quite as much, and although it's still wrong, it's just not as common.
Yes. You are too hard on them. You are too hard on everything. You want to use violence against people who are not violent. That's what law enforcement in the West is.
Generally anything to do with collectivism is evil.
It was sort of a good idea before the internet and when everything you knew was just a 20 mile radius or so.
It doesn't work now and has been failing since the early 2000s.
Perhaps even longer.
Stay away from the fascist traditionalism of your parents and the modern feminism of politicians and social media.
Generally anyone in favor of having government use violence (law enforcement) to make other people live how they want them to live.
I feel so bad for generation Z and the coming generations. Sex and marriage and relationships have been completely ruined for them. And it's mostly feminists fault, who despite their hate of current society rely on the fascist police for everything. They are two sides of the same coin.
The early to mid 2010s was the last time you could have a normal relationship and chase girls. This is not really true where I am from but it is true in most of Western Europe and America.
The things I got to do, if I did them in America today i'd probably be falsely #metoo'd or made a sex offender or something. Men will never get to be men again if things don't change, and when the women hit 30 they will slowly watch the world they made become their biggest regrets.
I'm afraid the only way things will ever change is when men are willing to fight and die and kill for change. Mass bloodshed will be required, and many dictators and their supporters must die.
Good luck is all I can say. The time for peaceful change is long gone for your people.
Honestly i dont see anything wrong with a little light hearted objectification of both genders in adds and TV, sex sells and makes the world go round , its something we all want deep down so i don't see the need to be so prudish about it.
If that model or acter is being paid well and has consented to be at the centre of objectification to the point they are not being dehumanised, they know what they are getting themselves into and should take pride people think they look nice.
On the other hand if it's in a everyday situation like at work with a co worker or client thats wrong, full stop. They are just trying to get their money and leave they don't want or need your approval on how sexy they are.
Objectification is something that can happen to anyone. I can accept it, but I can't accept the harassment that some people add to it.
And I hate when it comes from my boyfriend. Don't get me wrong, it is flattering for him do desire me, but if he sees me as an object of lust and nothing else then we're not on the same page...
We all know that women like to objectify men as much as we do women. But for some reason it is not as socially acceptable. It's just hypocritical.
Some argue that it's because of the difference in strenght. Women talk and objectify men, but can't force them to do anything. One the other hand men can do that. So objectify women is an incentive for men to do that. This argument is simply riddiculous! Just because I like to look doesn't mean I will force her to anything! The distance between looking and actually moving myself with the purpose of immobilizing another human being and force myself into them as they fight back and scream is immense! Anyone who does that isn't because he saw a Dove commercial with a hot girl in bikini I can asure you that!
Do you know what? I wish we saw more guy objectification everywhere! I am serious! That way women looking at us with lust would be normalized instead of taboo. Would make then more confortable in doing it as well.
Some women want to pick and choose yes, there's nothing wrong with someone finding another person sexually attractive. It's perfectly normal and I don't understand why some women appose it in general. The only objectification I don't agree with is when all someone is to another person is a sex object. Male or female. You can still find someone sexy and attractive and treat them like a human being at the same time. I don't mind if guys find me attractive it's kinda what we do as opposite sexes if we are straight, we check each other out lol. Yes i might just see a guy as a hook up but I'm not gonna treat him like he's nothing, he's a person with thoughts and feelings and no one should be treated otherwise.
The concept of objectification is nothing more than anti-male feminist propaganda that seeks to demonize male heterosexuality. It's also used as a gimmick to attack artistic freedom under the guise of 'equality' and 'respecting women'. Just look at how character designers are lambasted and shamed for putting such intricate and awesome detail into female character models. I dont care if it's sexualized, its ART! As someone who is into character design and enjoys drawing the female body in it's most purest form, I find it disgusting when feminists try to piss on my creativity and hard work with political propaganda.
I will always view artistic freedom/freedom of expression as more important than catering to feelings.
Nice examples.
Yeah, it's all obviously just either ignorant people or media pandering at fault. What does patting women on the back all day and sexualisation of men that's an eerie inverse of the former have in common? Pandering to an audience.
Many women love the idea that they are oppressed, but it also validates the absence of consideration for men -- dehumanization in the most extreme sense -- so the idea of fair treatment goes out the window and all that remains is getting what one wants.
Women wanted to be valued for their ability as homemakers. They took pride in being mothers and providing men with companionship. They raised strong Men and Women
The worst thing ever, is TV, Magazines, and Social media, its brainwashed women to believe that objectifying themselves is empowerment, while at the same time, academe tells them that they shouldn't want that. They are confused! Women need guidance from their community not "Education" and not Media.
Being asked by a woman from Attica, "Why is it that you Spartan women are the only women that lord it over your men," she said, "Because we are the only women that are mothers of men." This is a quote from Plutarch's Lacaenarum Apophthegmata. The Attican woman is asking how the Spartan woman can influence men, she replies that they are mothers of REAL men.
Too hard on them? Not really. The idea that they're bad men though is Completely wrong.
It's contradictory: many women put so much effort into their sex appeal with makeup, workouts, etc, and then when men start calling them attractive in a needy way, it's considered offensive. I think the problem is that women aren't emotionally built for casual relationships/sex. So when the sexual component of catcalling preceeds the emotional connection, they feel weird, annoyed and empty from the lack of what they're really looking for. If you're attractive, prince charming will come for you eventually, but not before mr. Empty soul tries to sweet talk you to sex.
There is a fine line... but I think women are a bit too triggered when it comes to this. Lol especially the ones that dress in a skimpy little outfit to go out and "pick up guy" but the guys she is picking up, isn't the guys she envisioned in her fantasy before she went out. Therefore, she says that men are pervs and that they objectify them... lol if your dressing to get attention you will. Even if your not, if your pretty, you will get attention. It's not a bad thing. Women need to understand they can't stop someone for what they are thinking or saying about them. They can if they touch, without permission. That's the absolute line. But i think women get way to over hyped for this... however, flip side, some men can show a lot more respect then they do
This whole stuff is stupid some years ago women "fighted" to be able to be sexy on tv and now they complain about it...
Too both men and women like to "objectify" the others sex. There's nothing wrong in it. For the people who don't like it they can look elsewhere (it's not that hard...).
I think most of the women that complain about it do it cause it's a trend and don't even have done any research about it or anything. They just repeat what they heard.
Some people get triggered easily and some people go way overboard.
You can enjoy the way someone looks without making a comment about it and being creepy about it. Just because someone is easy on the eyes or had nice body doesn't mean they become objects. Same way appreciating a body doesn't mean I wanna shag everyone with that body.
Anyone who wants to sell something will try to find a way to do it and sex sells and it's allowed so they go for it. Until people's mind changes that will stay the same.
If anything then I think people don't truly get what e
Personally, I think both sexes sexualize each other, and it's acceptable, up to a point. I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a peek at someone's cleavage or bulge, or acknowledging that you want to have sex with someone. The main problem is when they're no longer treated as people, but as "that dumb bitch with the nice ass" or "that buff hunk of airheaded man meat".
I'm all for either sex speaking out against their objectification, as long as there are no double standards. When Cosmopolitan decries objectification of women athletes, only to treat men athletes as nothing more than bulges, that's only making the problem worse. When MRAs point to that example and use it as an excuse to treat women as floating pairs of tits, that's only making it worse. What's needed is for everyone to agree on the same acceptable limits for both sexes, and to call out anyone who objectifies people or resorts to double standards.
I cannot believe that comment on the first photo. All of those things are done to men by women and vice versa, people are terrible and hurt and abuse each other. Women don’t get a pass, it’s just more socially acceptable when they objectify. It’s wrong and if we’re going to punish one group we need to punish both, or just, I don’t know, grow up and deal with the fact that everyone is objectified and you don’t need to pay much mind to it.
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