Why do feminists believe it is OK to hate men?

[Anonymous]

I think most guys who have any significant personal experience with individual feminists know that they are motivated on some level by hatred towards men. It is obvious when you get into any detailed discussion with them about gender issues. But most of them will not admit they hate men, and I think many of them don't even recognize their own misandry.

But some feminists are quire honest and open about their hatred. They justify it in their own minds by believing it does no harm to hate men. Do they honestly not see how their hatred is harmful? How can they not see it?

An example is Zara Larsson from Sweden. She is a very successful singer, an avid feminist and an unabashed hater of men. Some of her quotes are:

“I hate guys. Hate, hate, hate.”

"To some it seems to come as a huge surprise that men are swines"

"It doesn't hurt men if I hate them""

“It's not fucking hard to be generalized. Generalizing a privileged and a socially powerful group is harmless"

[Cherokeehp]

Have you met men? (I’m just kidding by the way for sensitive guys here who can’t handle a joke) I’m like 100% sure Zara Larson doesn’t hate men on account of the fact that she’s heterosexual and has public relationships with men. Now as a feminist, I often times find myself saying the phrase “men ain’t shit”. Do I mean it? No. I have a boyfriend who I love very much. I have brothers that I love very much. I have make friends that I love very much. BUT men and women are biologically built very differently and raised by society to behave and think very differently. Women are taught to cater to men and play the role of nurturing wife, chef, maid, therapist, and other things of nature. Men are taught to be the provider and work. Women are taught to understand men, but men aren’t taught to understand women in the same way. There are so many men that don’t understand how to be emotionally supportive in relationships, they don’t understand periods, that dont understand the importance of the clitoris, and a lot of men don’t understand the fear and the experience of sexual harassment and assault. It’s frustrating having to live in world where you’re expected to understand men and cater to them, without being understood and catered to in return. A lot of men think that just being a provider is enough and it’s not. A lot of men don’t understand the trauma of sexual assault/harassment and they crack jokes about it and/or sometimes even “unknowingly” perpetrate it. A lot of men do the bear minimum and expect a round of applause. Feminists don’t hate men. We hate the way that society conditions men to be.

[Asker]

There are so many things wrong with what you wrote here that I don't even know where to begin. I will just say that you are a perfect example of the extreme gynocenrism and self-centered nature of the feminist mindset.

Like most feminists, Zara Larson tolerates individual men in her life but hates men as a whole. It's called misandry and it is an example of the hypocrisy that feminism is rightly known for.

[Cherokeehp]

Bruh, what is so wrong with what I just said. I was pretty confident that I hit the nail right on the head. Personally I don’t think I’m an extreme feminist. I just live my life how I want to live it and support other women. Also I’ve done some looking into Zara Larson’s comments and it appears that she said them after being verbally attacked and slut shamed by swarms of men on online. Also saying that Zara Larson hates men a yet tolerates them at the same time is a contradiction. You can’t hate something and tolerate it at the same time. If you hate something then you don’t tolerate it. Racists don’t marry black people. Homophobes don’t marry people of the same sex. So why the hell would a man-hater date a man? Ultimately, I believe that if men took the time to understand women and were kinder to them, then women wouldn’t make so many comments about hating men. We don’t really mean it, it’s just us expressing our frustration.

[Asker]

As I said, there are many things wrong with what you wrote and I'm not going to take the time to address each of them individually. But I'll address a few things.

Yes, you can hate the male gender but care about individual males. We see that behavior constantly among feminists. Single feminist mothers are an excellent example, and their behavior typically results in boys with low self confidence who become men who hate women. It's a vicious cycle.

Your comments are essentially justifying the hatred feminist express about men. If men said any of the same things about women you feminists would have a fucking meltdown. Why so hypocritical?

You explain all of this by pointing at the behavior of men as the root cause and suggest if men only understood and treated women better none of this would be a problem. But you never pause to recognize that men would say exactly the same thing about women. Your gynocentrism and self-centered feminist mindset won't allow you to see that women are every bit as guilty as men. That is the gynocentrism everyone talks about with feminism.

Instead of trying to see both sides of the issue you only see one side and only blame men, and you just further divide women and men with the wedge you drive between the sexes. That's why we now have movements like MRA, MGTOW and Red Pill that are all just as hate driven and sexist as feminism. You make the problem worse, not better. The fact you think you hot the nail on the head is no surprise considering that you are a feminist, but of course you could not be more wrong.

[Cherokeehp]

You cannot hate the male gender and still care for individual males. That literally goes against the concept of hatred. Second, men make horrible comments about women all the time. Men say worst comments about women. Men literally beat and kill women. (I understand that men can be victims of violence from women, but most of the time it’s men perpetrating violence against women.) You’re upset because women say we hate men out of frustration. We’re upset because men kill women out of real hatred. Unfortunately, by default I lean toward being self centered. All people do. I have only ever experienced life from a woman’s perspective and so I understand and relate to women far more than I understand men. But at the end of the day I do try to see both sides of the story. I can’t claim to completely understand the experience of the male gender but I know for a fact that men aren’t taught to treat women the same as women are taught to treat men. Women are basically taught from childhood how to be wives. This means that we are taught to understand how to please men, but men aren’t taught how to please women. Men aren’t encouraged to understand the needs and desires of women, and yet they still expect to be praised when they fail to fulfill those needs and desires. Its so frustrating living in a world where you aren’t understood and taken care of properly. I don’t want to drive a wedge between the genders. I want men to get some initiative to learn about women and reciprocate our effort.

[Asker]

"You cannot hate the male gender and still care for individual males."

Yes, clearly you can, and Zara Larson is a perfect example. It is one of the primary issues with feminism (and racism, or any other hate based thinking) today... a hateful view toward an entire group of people. As an example, I have known people who have friends who are Mexican but who clearly have very racist views toward Mexicans as a whole. It stems from the fact that they see the group as an generalized entity rather than a group of individual human beings. Open your eyes because you are part of this problem.

"Second, men make horrible comments about women all the time."

Yes they do, just like women make horrible comments about men. And the hatred expressed by feminists (like Zara Larson) and the people who try to justify it (like you) only add more fuel to that fire.

"Men say worst comments about women."

No, they do not. It's just that your gynocentrism only allows you to see one side of it, and that right there is a defining characteristic of modern feminism.

"Men literally beat and kill women."

No, bad people beat and kill women. By saying "men" do those things and using that as justification for the hate speech of feminists, you are just pitting men and women against each other and driving the wedge between them even deeper. That's what feminists do. The fact is that 'bad people' do bad things to other people. Gender doesn't matter in that. I am a man but I am not guilty of nor responsible for what other men do any more than you yourself are. So, why make it about gender? Because you are a feminist and it supports your "women as victims and men as perpetrators" narrative, which accomplishes nothing of value but does so much harm.

[Asker]

"You’re upset because women say we hate men out of frustration."

Anyone who expresses hatred for an entire group based on the actions of a few members of that group is a horrible person. Trying to justify that behavior is equally horrible. That makes you a horrible person and a prime example of what is wrong with feminism today. You should be ashamed of yourself, but instead you think what you are doing is justifiable, and that is disgusting.

You are an example of the fact that feminism is doing nothing positive today, only negative. You are only being divisive and spreading hate between men and women. But you're not bright, honest or mature enough to see that. That is modern feminism in a nutshell, and it's exactly what I posted this question about in the first place.

I did not read beyond that point in your last post because it's just more of the same feminist garbage and it doesn't warrant my time. I will delete anything further from you without reading it because it is only furthering the the harm feminists like you are doing to society today. But I must thank you for offering such a great example of exactly what I posted my question about in the first place. I considered giving you MHO for that reason alone, but unfortunately it would send the wrong message.

[eila7]

there's a lot of men that hate women (it's all over GAG)
It works both ways

[Asker]

The difference is that feminism says it is about gender equality, but it's not. This question is about exposing feminism for what it really is rather than what it claims to be. It's about bringing awareness to the toxicity, hatred and dishonesty of feminism.

[eila7]

Feminism = Equality
Obviously being focused on the female gender because when feminism started women couldn't even vote. They were seen as second class citizens and the point of feminism was to catch them up to all the rights that men had.

To me it still means equality and a lot of countries still need this type of feminism.

Those crazy new generation feminists should be fighting for the basic rights for women in other disadvantaged countries not for the stupid shit some are going nuts about today.

Even if the word feminism didn't exist, some men would still hate women. And yes some women hate men too.

[Asker]

Feminism is 'supposed' to be about equality, but it's not. It is toxic, divisive, sexist and gynocentric. That's what feminism IS, not what we think it should be pr wish it was. Feminism is as feminism does, and it should be judged based on what it does.

So no, feminism is not about equality, and has long as we pretend it is, we will see the kind of backlash we see today from men. If feminism was about equality the vast majority of men would support it. But the vast majority of men despise feminism, and the reasons for that should be no mystery to anyone.

[eila7]

Pretty ignorant but whatevs. I really don't care what you think. I told you I don't agree with 4th wave of feminism. If you don't understand the differences that's on you.

[Asker]

No, what is ignorant is believing feminism is something it is not. As I said, we need to stop judging feminism based on what we wish it was or what it is supposed to be. Feminism is what it is, and that is the only thing that matters.

If feminism could change and become something positive, and remove all of the toxicity and hate from the movement, that would be great and men would be happy to support it. But that would require feminists actually standing up against what the movement has become rather than just ignoring the realities of what feminism IS and continuing to blindly support it. But at this point that is extremely unlikely so what we need to do is shun feminism and support something like egalitarianism that ACTUALLY supports equality and ACTUALLY cares about BOTH sexes.

But as it stands today, anyone who supports feminism is supporting sexism against males, divisiveness, toxicity and gynocentrism. Shame on anyone who supports that.

[eila7]

Yes sure

[eila7]

China def doesn't need more women's rights which is feminism. Baby girls are abandoned just so they can have a boy. In India young girls are raped every day and are not seen as the same level as men in a lot of countries around the world.

I do not give a shit about your first world problems compared to actual devastation that is still happening in many countries!

Be my guest and keep arguing with feminists of privileged white countries - it's nothing but a waste of time and pretty selfish on both sides to be honest

[Asker]

The most telling piece of what you just wrote there was that you don't give a shit about my problems, because that is feminism in a nutshell.

Feminism is doing nothing to address the issues you listed. There are human rights organizations who are, but feminists are not. What feminism IS doing is fostering sexism against males, divisiveness, toxicity and gynocentrism.

Get real.

[eila7]

And so are you

[Asker]

No, unlike you I am actually raising awareness about it and fighting against it rather than just pretending it doesn't exist.

[eila7]

Doesn't sound like it

[Anonymous]

It's fine with me because I hate them right back. Anyone who identifies as a "feminist" is automatically put on my naughty list. Which means I don't associate with them, and if they want me to help them I will refuse. I never tell them why I dislike them, I never tell them "I dislike you because you are a feminist" - oh no you can't do that. You need to act nice to their face, and act like you agree with their stupid ideology. That lulls them into a false sense of security, which is when you screw them over in whatever way you can. No mercy.

I don't watch movies that depict feminists (Captain Marvel), I don't support TV shows who have outspoken feminist actors. I don't watch Youtube with feminist people. I don't want to empower that which I hate, so I don't. They can hate me all they want, they can talk all tough in front of a camera but nothing they do will make me like them. They aren't the only ones who prefer a certain gender of people... two can play at their game.

[Levin]

I think if the shoe was on the other foot, and it was a man talking about how he hated women, well, it wouldn't go down so well. And it would be slightly Borat-esque.

Apparently people have forgotten, then men are human, and sensitive, too.

I've come across some feminist comedians, who clearly hated men. It's clear that these women had been abused or traumatised in some form. There's a lot of things that happen to people as they grow up. So they end up fearing men, and using that fear as a justification for hating and generalising every one of us. It would be the same way in which if someone from an ethnic background was violent towards you, you'd be very fearful of everyone from that group going forward. So in a way, it's quite natural. And we should try and have something of a compassion towards people like Zara, without ever saying it's okay to hold such views.

[CoffeeWC]

Because they're being immature

[Anonymous]

Because a lot of women nowadays have this notion they are better then men after men "forced them down for years"
even though they have no substantial evidence to prove their case, and every shred they ever bring to the table gets blown up in seconds, at which point in time they start shouting that men are evil pigs.
"never raise your voice, improve your argument"

Now after that rant i do want to state this
Women and men ARE equal to me

- i firmly believe that they should earn the same for the same work
- They should get selected for promotion based on merit rather than the fact they have labial flaps
- They dont have to be stay at home moms if they dont want to, but thats not a right, thats an agreement they make with whoever they choose to be with

[Kiran_Yagami]

Because they're bitter morons. It's not rocket science. Being a feminist is a personality flaw. It reveals a resentment for the opposite sex that is a borderline personality disorder. The same is true of men who hate women. The hatred of the opposite sex betrays deep seeded emotional and mental issues. Anyone who hates the opposite sex is not a healthy person.

[Soteris]

Well I do not hate men and a fundamental principle of feminism is equality so even if you hate someone (like men) you are not allowed to discriminate against them.

All that said are you saying you are not allowed to have personal feelings? Do you perhaps want thought police?

[EmperorOfRussia]

Soteris, have you ever wondered about removing the peanut-sized thing (maybe it fits inside your head) that you see in between your legs and become a proud, feminist trans woman?

You would be seen as an authority in hating men! Stop being so half-hearted! Embrace your hatred!

[Soteris]

@EmperorOfRussia Insulting my masculinity? Grow up.

[EmperorOfRussia]

You have none.

[Soteris]

@EmperorOfRussia Are you like 5 years old or what? Seriously grow up.

[EmperorOfRussia]

Soteris, after knowing that you defend mass migration (based on the idea of eternal economic growth) and policies to counter the climate changes (caused exactly by this idea of eternal economic growth), I have no doubt that you are mentally insane - in the most clinical sense of the word.

But, hey! At least you can be praised by your SJW community! It's just 2 inches that separate you from the highest SJW status one could ever achieve: a transgender, mentally disabled, non-binary and woke person.

[Soteris]

@EmperorOfRussia Dont be ridiculous, nothing could go on forever but at the same time we are far from hitting any sort of hard limit. Things like climate change is not a reason to stop but a reason to adapt and overcome. Its a challenge.

As for mass immigration that is very context sensitive. After all it says nothing of why those people want to immigrate in the first place but being able to make use of immigrants is very beneficial for any country.

[EmperorOfRussia]

Don't be so stupid, for fucking sake...

Who said it's a "challenge"? Stop deluding yourself with clichés, it's widely known that mass migration puts a lot of pressure on the environment because these surplus population are expected to grow and to consume more and more. What is your master plan to counter the REALITY this time?

If we are far from hitting any sort of "hard limit", as you say, then climate changes are a HOAX, or, at least, countering it is not a priority at the moment. Is it what you think?

How incoherent you are!

[Soteris]

@EmperorOfRussia... You really dont understand much do you? No one is claiming that climate change is us reaching our limit, they are saying that our current activity is influencing the environment, something that has far more to do with how we are doing it rather than that we are doing it. If we change our approach we can keep going without issues in regards to climate change.

As for mass immigration, they are not coming from nowhere and got the resources they needed perfectly fine before. Also if we take Sweden as an example its one of the least populated places in the world and we have a lot of natural resources to grow. Overpopulation is not going to be an issue for us in a long time.

[EmperorOfRussia]

Change our approach in what ways?

If climate changes are not reaching our limit, then why the buzz? It's just not a priority if you are right.

Sweden has the WORST housing system I've ever seen. To be fair... The second... Hong Kong got the worst. Do you think mass migration is really feasible? Have you ever tried to buy a house here? (What a question... A NEET like you can't even afford your food)

Are you suggesting that the government shall cut the forests down to build houses for migrants? Because it was suggested by some ministers.

How can you claim you give a shit about the environment at the same time you defend measures that THREATEN the environment?

This makes no sense.

[Nobody-gives-a-finch]

The same reason anyone hates anyone. It's easier to not have to justify any traces of good in a group that holds opposing views.
She does take it a bit farther though. Hating a biological sex? Sounds exceptionally anti-trans and sexist, that she supports and disclaims.
Inconsistency. A lack of Platonic thought.

[ecfresh]

Did you happen to actually watch any of the other videos where Zara is asked about her statements? She said she loves men and the men close to her understand what she means. Obviously she doesn’t hate all men. Does that make sense?

[Asker]

Yes, I have seen her backpedaling after being called out for saying she hates all men and that it's OK to generalize all men and there is no harm in hating men.

[ecfresh]

Great, so we both agree that she doesn’t hate all men.

[Asker]

No, we don't. Clearly.

[Liam_Hayden]

You need to define your terms. When you say feminists some people will think of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Rosa Parks, and people like that. I have no problem with those "equality under the law" feminists. Others will think of Clementine Ford and her ilk. THOSE are the ones to whom you are apparently referring. Yeah, I have no use for the "Kill all men" special privileges radfems. None whatsoever.

[Browneye57]

Fuck them. Hope they like cats.

They don't need no stinkin' man 'till their car quits, their roof leaks, or their plumbing stops - then they need a man.

We don't need no feminists. :)

[EmperorOfRussia]

The problem with Ms. Zara is that she needs more cocaine, a bit more than she gets. Cocaine enough to make her trip...
But without coming back...

[EmperorOfRussia]

P. S. It applies to every feminist, too.

[Anonymous]

Because their entitled little brats who believe everything revolves around them plus they feel since women in the past were oppressed with no rights it's OK to take it out on modern men.

[Exorcist_Rampage]

Because society encourages it as a normal behavior.

[Bananaman177]

Do you really have to ask why WOMEN of all people would struggle with emotional maturity?

[PrinceOfAljazera]

feminist wants SPECIAL RIGHTS.

feminist= cancer.

[Anonymous]

They have been brainwashed by leftists and social media fuck feminists and fuck women us guys to help each other

[Asker]

Misogyny is not the answer to feminist misandry. The answer is exposing feminism for what it is with facts, and bringing awareness to the hatred and dishonesty of feminism.

[cloud9vortex1234]

Because all feminists are ugly and no men will give them the time of day.

[Asker]

That's not really true. I have known some physically attractive feminists. But they were all ugly on the inside, so maybe you're right after all.

[cloud9vortex1234]

Yes, it's either one or the other and at times both.

[cloud9vortex1234]

My mistake, there always ugly on the inside.

[tara987]

Feminists don't hate men. maybe some women hate men and they are feminists but most feminists don't feel that way.

[Asker]

Yes they do. As I said, most just either don't admit it or they don't even recognize it in themselves.

[tara987]

Okay

[Someguynamedbob]

Not all feminists hate men but feminism as an ideology does hate men

[Asker]

@Someguynamedbob It's kinda like saying not all Nazis hated Jews, which I'm sure was true. But if you support the platform, you are complicit.

[tara987]

Ok. Thanks!

[eila7]

Lol dude you are seriously a hypocrite. You have magic powers that let's you read everyone's mind do you? You just sound like an ignorant woman hater who's trying to victimize men. It's petty.

[Asker]

@eila7 The irony of that comment coming from a feminist is priceless.

[Anonymous]

Why do mgtows believe it is OK to hate women?

[Asker]

Because of feminists. I agree that MGTOW is a hate movement but it is just a reaction to feminism. Feminism and MGTOW are two sides of the same hateful, sexist coin.

[worldscolide]

I wouldn't say feminists hate men, just the radicals.. The rest are just misguided..

[NeoKing]

They're just annoying pests, just like those MGTOW losers.

[Asker]

Agreed. I just don't understand why society gives one a pass but not the other.

[NeoKing]

Double standards, basically.

[oncpl]

Feminists only want equality with men in all spheres, I believe not all hate men.